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Post by cbet on Dec 23, 2015 12:21:25 GMT
Well, that seals it for me. I've not been posting much at all over there any more, anyway. When I found out that RiverIsis got banned for "making another member the subject of a negative post" and I had been a part of that conversation and the post was not negative. I had a couple of posts on that same thread deleted and got a warning, but it took a while for me to realize that she had been banned. Now that I find out that they are not only deleting posts, but that they are editing them without any indication that they've been edited, I'm out. Every other forum I've been on, if a moderator needs to edit a post, there is a line on the post indicating that it's been edited.
#amayalylac - I remember you from the SCS boards, and you were a wealth of knowledge and were so helpful with people's questions. And if the MISTI inventor now wants a forum, she should have toned down her control freak tendencies when the MISTI fans facebook group started up. That's become a huge group, but because of how she treated them when they started, with threats of lawsuits, they won't allow a link to her site to be posted now. Now they're know as "Stamping Enablers" - 5000+ members, all just dying to spend their crafting $$, and no links to her site.
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 23, 2015 15:04:32 GMT
It's been a long time since I visited the SCS message boards, and even longer since I posted anything.
Altering message board posts with no indication that it has been altered is inexcusable IMO. They could at least be honest and say when they had edited a post. If they want to edit it to keep it within their personal guidelines, they can do that. It's their board. But they should at least say they have altered a post instead of leaving it to look like it was written that way by the individual.
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Post by cbet on Dec 23, 2015 17:32:55 GMT
It's been a long time since I visited the SCS message boards, and even longer since I posted anything. Altering message board posts with no indication that it has been altered is inexcusable IMO. They could at least be honest and say when they had edited a post. If they want to edit it to keep it within their personal guidelines, they can do that. It's their board. But they should at least say they have altered a post instead of leaving it to look like it was written that way by the individual. Especially since a member can't even edit their own post without a line showing up that it was edited! You don't have to fill in the reason that you edited it, but it is marked so that people can tell that it was changed. It should be the same if the edit was made by a moderator. |
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Post by janet100 on Dec 24, 2015 2:24:22 GMT
I don't like it that they would change a post about a product with the result that it made the product sound even better and greater than the original post stated. I think that is unethical. A lot of people on SCS, many on tight budgets, rely on other member's recommendations of a product's worthiness or relevance to applications. If mods are changing product recommendations... and not putting that on the post for all to see... that isn't right IMHO.
If a post about another person was found to be rude or slamming, then they should just delete the post. Not modify it.
I was surprised that they banned someone for just asking about free products. Knowing that they were originally a SU forum explains some things for me also (not a huge SU fan, but was a demo for 6 months). I never understood why there was a special "second chance" thread to sell used SU stuff - that it could not be listed with all the other products.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 9:07:51 GMT
cbet- Thank you for the kind words. I was wondering why you were not posting either. I missed seeing you post.
scrapnnana- You made a great point about adding they edited a post. They did edit one of my other posts this Summer to fix a YouTube video link I included. They edited it to embed it. They even wrote they edited it to embed the video. I thanked them for doing that for me. My other two posts they gave no indication of editing. I would have acknowledged on those threads if they did. I do have a really great record of apologizing or fixing any mistakes I have made in all the years I posted over there.
janet100- That is the exact reason why I don't want to post there any more because I know that board can be all about spend money. I know many of the girls over there are on super tight budgets. My years of posting there I have always wrote about frugal options for stamping. If I did recommend a product I always wrote why it was a good investment. No, I don't want my posts to be changed to make products look better. I am trying to help people save money not go out and spend money wily nily because they saw an edited thread believing that I recommended this product for the edited reasons.
It is ok to edit because I was snarky. I wish they did tell me. I honestly wish they did delete it. What made it worse I got several likes on it. I would have told them I was sorry. We all have bad days or bad times. When I ran forums and if one of my members was in a bad mood and did something delete or edit worthy. I didn't make her feel worse. I asked if she was ok. I told my DH today I think people are losing the art of compassion.
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Post by RiverIsis on Dec 28, 2015 6:09:37 GMT
I knew the same thing was going to happen. Send it to China and watch the knock-offs begin. SCS- You can post it but the mods are now amending posts. They are actually changing what you write. One of my friends noticed when she said something a bit cheeky. She thought first it was a glitch. Two weeks later she said something cheeky. Same thing happened. She asked me to try because she said I could get more creative. I thought I was the nice girl over there, lol. I said something a bit controversial. Next day my post was amended. SCS wants you to post but in their way. I am not posting there any more. I have a serious issue about amending a post. I owned groups. I would never do that to one of my members. I would never edit someone on my boards either. Highly unethical IMHO. Yes, they did. No, they did not discuss it with me first. I am not upset about it or anything. It's SCS's boards, their rules & their choices in the way they want to run the board. I respect that. Like I wrote earlier a friend wanted me to see if it was a glitch or if if the posts were really being changed. Two of her posts were modified. Then mine got modified for being rude. I was rude & I admit it. That day I posted I was not in a good place. I am still in mourning. Yes, I do feel bad for not being nice. I am not like that in my real life. I always think of other people's feelings. Maybe, they did not discuss with me first because the mods know I am not like that usually. I do remember that I wrote something about a product this Summer and it was not negative or anything but that post got modified too that made the product look even better. I thought that was so strange but I chalked it up to my migraine I had that night. I am really not mad about it. It's not something I would do as a forum owner or moderator. I don't want to post over there any more because I don't want my public posts being modified. I already say goofy things enough on my own. I don't need any help.  In the last year I have seen changes over at that site. I remember when SCS first started as a Stampin Up site. Then it was opened to all stampers. In the last few months it became more about the MISTI. Maybe, that is the way SCS is going. They want to be a more MISTI board. They would like members who are only MISTI users. I think the direction they are going in is to become a board for a specific product. Big forums are failing because we all have gone to social media. Sounds like Lydia is doing anything to appease Iliana because that is the horse she backed and how she got to be buddy buddy with Jennifer McGuire. I do wonder if it is against FTC guidelines for them to rewrite your posts to be seen to be an endorsement of a product. That is just beyond crazy. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 7:58:58 GMT
Kristen- That is a pretty freaky thought about Lydia/Iliana. My posts had nothing to do with the MISTI. SCS girls you all know over there the last few years have been one tragedy or the other for me. When they edited my snarky post I just thought maybe they were being kind. It used to be a sisterhood over there where we took care of each other and were there for each other. If they are editing and deleting to appease a sponsor that is just hurtful and not a sisterhood. I am laid back and let it go. There are a lot of other girls that are in fragile times of their lives and use that board for a comfort. If Lydia is doing this she is going to set the girls in a downward spiral. I wish forum owners would realize real people are reading the forums and not advertising dollars. Do you think Iliana is trying to take over SCS? I know in the last few months it has gotten really MISTI oriented over there. You know it's not like post after post of the new hot trend because everyone loves it but MISTI this sponsor & MISTI that sponsor. In the past year my posting had slowed down because I don't post at the sponsor posts. Most of the sponsors I don't own their items so nothing to post at. When I would log in I was posting maybe on one thread. It wasn't worth my time. That's why I thought Lyida was transitioning the board to a brand specific product board. Wondering about the FTC- Year ago and I mean in the 90's years ago. I was a member of a JASC Paintshop Pro board. I told you this was years ago when I wrote JASC. Even though the board was independent from JASC at the time it still received advertising revenue from that company. The forum owner one day edited a message from another member. The forum moderator even wrote she did it because she did not want disparaging reviews on Paintshop Pro. Two days later she got a huge slap down from the FTC. She got a huge fine. I don't know what ever happened to her because she shut down the forum cold right after that happened. Why I remember this so well because I was a young college student then setting up my own forums & web site. I vowed right then to never have advertising or sponsorship on any of my forums or social media sites. I was going to keep them free. This was back in the 90's so I don't know what FTC rules are now. I am sure they are much stricter, especially with net neutrality and all the new rules. |
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Post by junior on Dec 28, 2015 15:53:36 GMT
I have read every post on this thread this morning. I have learned a lot and found some fun videos and products I didn't know about. I have been on SCS for 12 years or so. I don't post a lot and even less since I resigned as a SU demo to create my own stamps. I was excited about the MISTI when I first heard about it but the price tag made it something I would never purchase. I stopped reading about it because I knew I would never spend that much money on it. I have local friends that I introduced stamping to, via SU, and they have been asking about MISTI. I am glad I have some alternatives to offer them.
I think the best thing I take away from this thread is customer service (something I was already fanatical about) with my own tiny business. In the two months of business, I haven't had any issues or complaints but will remember this thread if/when any arise.
I was a lurker on 2peas but was there on a regular basis. I always enjoyed smart discussions of interesting topics, AND all things crafty. It was always served up with an interesting mix of view points that I adored. Glad to have found y'all and I look forward to lurking less and participating more!
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Post by melissa59 on Dec 29, 2015 1:06:11 GMT
Rah! Rah!! Hip-hip Hooray! (toss pony tail)
Give me an M! (pony tail toss)
Give me an I! (hop and pony tail toss)
Give me an S, a T and an ...
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Post by FurryP on Jan 3, 2016 21:23:14 GMT
Rah! Rah!! Hip-hip Hooray! (toss pony tail) Give me an M! (pony tail toss) Give me an I! (hop and pony tail toss) Give me an S, a T and an ... Oh, wait. Wrong board. Sorry.  |
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Post by gale w on Jan 4, 2016 21:37:42 GMT
I want a MISTI, or something like it. But for now, I'm holding tight against buying it. For one, the price is way too high for a plastic box. For another, I cringed at the way the MISTI owner responded to people who make their own stamping tool. It was not only childish and unprofessional, it was an embarrassing example for someone who publicly touts herself as Christian. Still, I have to give the woman kudos for coming up with the idea. Its' spreading like wildfire. However, contracting the work to China in order to keep up with production demands may not have been the best move for the MISTI owner. Already her product has been shanghaied. They even used the same colors, measurements and design. Only the stamping has been changed. It's called the Stampoholic. I'll admit that there is a part of me that is mad that this kind of blatant ripoff can and does happen so easily to hard working, legitimate businesses. But there is also a part that believes this ripoff was orchestrated by a higher power, a power trying to teach the MISTI owner a behavior lesson. She threatened and bullied so many people who were trying to craft their own stamping tool for personal use and now she has little to no recourse over the people who have blatantly copied and advertised a product look-alike. It is so similar that I would guess they have the same manufacturer. And, at the equivalent of about $38 USD, it's a really good deal -- provided you live in India where it is sold and shipped. diecutsandmore.com/product/stampoholic/And they just posted a video of it, saying it is the Most Ultimate Stamping Tool (not a very creative way of stealing the Most Incredible Stamping Tool Invented slogan) www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXHIJHUmPr4I just read that the ones made in India will be sold in the US soon. |
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Post by don on Jan 4, 2016 23:18:00 GMT
Spellbinders pretty much started the die cut/emboss craze, then CBug, Sizx, Todo, Fiskars, Accucut, Letterpress, and the list grows, all jumped on it.
Scor-Pal started the score board craze, Then Martha, We R Memory Keepers, Stampin' Up, and a lot of others cashed in.
How many binder machines, trimmers, and scissors are there.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 5, 2016 0:10:53 GMT
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Post by gale w on Jan 5, 2016 2:43:30 GMT
I guess a mini and a mega. The mini is $40. I can't even imagine how expensive the mega will be.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 5, 2016 2:59:22 GMT
I can't imagine wanting one smaller. I have difficulty doing what I want with the original size.
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Jan 5, 2016 5:35:13 GMT
Spellbinders pretty much started the die cut/emboss craze, then CBug, Sizx, Todo, Fiskars, Accucut, Letterpress, and the list grows, all jumped on it. Scor-Pal started the score board craze, Then Martha, We R Memory Keepers, Stampin' Up, and a lot of others cashed in. How many binder machines, trimmers, and scissors are there. Spellbinders didn't start anything, they LIKE to think they started everything but QuicKutz had wafer thin dies BEFORE Spellbinders. Spellbinders did start embossing with the same dies that did the cutting. Ellison, the parent company of Sizzix has been around since 1977 and AccuCut has been around for over 20 years. And yes, there is a TON of versions of everything out there. |
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Post by gale w on Jan 5, 2016 7:04:55 GMT
I had the original Scor-It tool before the Scor-Pal came out. It only has one scoring line though but it's a totally different type of score than all other scoring tools out there.
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Post by ashwyness on Jan 5, 2016 16:14:21 GMT
I would be very leery of paying a lot of money for a knock off unless the savings was really a lot.
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Post by don on Jan 5, 2016 18:25:54 GMT
I didn't say Spellbinders invented the machine, but they did start the craze.
The Scor-it is really the best scoring tool out there. If you want perfect score every time, use a Scor-It. If you want fast, easy and efficient, the best tool out there is the Scor-Pal.
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Post by cbet on Jan 5, 2016 19:05:38 GMT
I didn't say Spellbinders invented the machine, but they did start the craze. The Scor-it is really the best scoring tool out there. If you want perfect score every time, use a Scor-It. If you want fast, easy and efficient, the best tool out there is the Scor-Pal. Gotta admit, I prefer the score I get with the Scor-It, even on the heavyweight Gina K and Recollections cardstock (with the other scoreboards, you have to really take your time to make sure the tool doesn't jump out of the channel). But the other boards are just so much faster to get things lined up, and especially if you are doing a box or something that requires multiple scores. I remember thinking that I might want a Sizzix press and some of their dies back in the day, but the dies were pretty pricey and I didn't think I would use them enough to justify the cost. The QuicKutz were less expensive, but I still didn't think I'd use the shapes that they had available enough to justify the cost of the dies and the machine. Thinking back, what made me buy my Big Kick was actually being able to use the embossing folders Shapes I could cut myself if I just took a little time, but those embossing folders!!! As far as the MISTI knockoff from India, from what I've seen it's probably made at the same factory. The color, dimensions, everything appears identical - the only thing missing is that bible verse! |
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Post by gale w on Jan 5, 2016 20:18:27 GMT
I think we're old-timers. On some sites people have never even heard of the scor-it or the genesis trimmer.  |
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Post by mzza111 on Jan 6, 2016 5:22:00 GMT
I want a MISTI, or something like it. But for now, I'm holding tight against buying it. For one, the price is way too high for a plastic box. For another, I cringed at the way the MISTI owner responded to people who make their own stamping tool. It was not only childish and unprofessional, it was an embarrassing example for someone who publicly touts herself as Christian. Still, I have to give the woman kudos for coming up with the idea. Its' spreading like wildfire. However, contracting the work to China in order to keep up with production demands may not have been the best move for the MISTI owner. Already her product has been shanghaied. They even used the same colors, measurements and design. Only the stamping has been changed. It's called the Stampoholic. I'll admit that there is a part of me that is mad that this kind of blatant ripoff can and does happen so easily to hard working, legitimate businesses. But there is also a part that believes this ripoff was orchestrated by a higher power, a power trying to teach the MISTI owner a behavior lesson. She threatened and bullied so many people who were trying to craft their own stamping tool for personal use and now she has little to no recourse over the people who have blatantly copied and advertised a product look-alike. It is so similar that I would guess they have the same manufacturer. And, at the equivalent of about $38 USD, it's a really good deal -- provided you live in India where it is sold and shipped. diecutsandmore.com/product/stampoholic/And they just posted a video of it, saying it is the Most Ultimate Stamping Tool (not a very creative way of stealing the Most Incredible Stamping Tool Invented slogan) www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXHIJHUmPr4Just saw the stampoholic knock off tool...Wow! It looks exactly the same as the MISTI. Couldn't they have at least changed the color! Illiana must have her panties in a wad about this tool. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 8:42:56 GMT
Speaking of old-timer's. Does anyone remember the Aleene's scoreboard. It was made back in the lat 1970's or early 1980's. I think it was Aleene's. My Mother had one. I was so fascinated with it when I was a little girl. I was laughing about the history of die cutting. When I was in high school I was in charge of the die cutting machine. It was one of those heavy Ellison machines. I had to have my football guy friends carry the cart upstairs for me. It was so heavy and big. I loved that thing. I wanted one so bad. I told my friends that I would have one some day. They all laughed at me. Now, they are not laughing. Of course my die cutting machine is much smaller now. A smaller MISTI? When I made my knock-off DVD case version the reason I wanted to get the MISTI because I thought it was bigger. I really did think the MISTI was 10x10. I don't know why I thought this. I guess the pictures made it look bigger. When I saw the MISTI really wasn't any bigger in size than my DVD one that was a huge reason I did not buy one. Plus, the price for that size. Plus, her coming to public forums threatening to sue people. Isn't the MISTI 6X8? I am a card maker and a smaller MISTI would be too small, in my opinion. I am not trying to be mean. I am thinking I don't make traditional cards. I don't even know what size traditional cards are. My Mom was a professional cardmaker. I will blame her. She made unique sizes. |
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Post by gale w on Jan 6, 2016 9:15:43 GMT
Speaking of old-timer's. Does anyone remember the Aleene's scoreboard. It was made back in the lat 1970's or early 1980's. I think it was Aleene's. My Mother had one. I was so fascinated with it when I was a little girl. I was laughing about the history of die cutting. When I was in high school I was in charge of the die cutting machine. It was one of those heavy Ellison machines. I had to have my football guy friends carry the cart upstairs for me. It was so heavy and big. I loved that thing. I wanted one so bad. I told my friends that I would have one some day. They all laughed at me. Now, they are not laughing. Of course my die cutting machine is much smaller now. A smaller MISTI? When I made my knock-off DVD case version the reason I wanted to get the MISTI because I thought it was bigger. I really did think the MISTI was 10x10. I don't know why I thought this. I guess the pictures made it look bigger. When I saw the MISTI really wasn't any bigger in size than my DVD one that was a huge reason I did not buy one. Plus, the price for that size. Plus, her coming to public forums threatening to sue people. Isn't the MISTI 6X8? I am a card maker and a smaller MISTI would be too small, in my opinion. I am not trying to be mean. I am thinking I don't make traditional cards. I don't even know what size traditional cards are. My Mom was a professional cardmaker. I will blame her. She made unique sizes. I'm not sure if it's the same but I have the Aleene's box maker. It came with a black plastic score board and some shiny white chipboard. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jan 6, 2016 13:51:53 GMT
I had thought the MISTI was at least 8x10 or so, but I have never seen one in person. Is the stamping area really only 6x8?
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Post by cbet on Jan 6, 2016 14:45:52 GMT
I had thought the MISTI was at least 8x10 or so, but I have never seen one in person. Is the stamping area really only 6x8? I'm pretty sure that the outside dimensions are 8x10, but inside the frame (the stamping area) looks to be 6 1/2 x 8 1/2. I don't own one - I just played one of the videos full screen and took a look at the rulers on the frame. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jan 6, 2016 15:07:53 GMT
I didn't say Spellbinders invented the machine, but they did start the craze. I'm honestly wondering what craze you are referring to? Die-cutting? Embossing? Something else? Scrapbookers in the early days used the die-cuts from the big school die-cutting machines. Ellison was the machine used by most schools and scrapping stores. Accu-Cut came second. When scrapping stores sprang into existence, they mostly used the big Ellison press die-cutter till Accu-Cut gave Ellison some major competition with their roller die-cutter. Scrapbookers, stampers, and other home crafters could order from either of those companies, but the cost was prohibitive for most folks, which is why a lot of scrapping and stamp stores invested in them, so customers could use them on site at their stores. The Sizzix red machine was the first personal manual die-cutter for home crafters, and it was modeled after the Ellison die-cut press. Spellbinders came later, although their machine was different from anyone else's. They were the first to come out with dies that did both cutting and embossing, and they definitely were innovative and competitive in how they used their products and what they offered. They were game changers, and they have managed to stay competitive, despite the popularity of electronic cutters, some of which can also emboss as well as cut. However, the Spellbinder system gives a nicer embossed impression than the electronic versions do. I personally feel that electronic cutters made die-cutting popular. There was a period of time when it was kind of looked down on in the scrapping world. Spellbinders certainly led the way in the crafting world by combining embossing with die-cutting in one pass, so if you are saying they increased the popularity of embossing, I might agree with you, although they weren't the only candidate. The introduction of embossing folders to the crafting market by Cuttlebug and Sizzix also increased the popularity of embossing. (I don't recall which of those two companies came out with embossing folders first.) Home crafters love tools that allow them to craft more easily, and there is a lot of competition for the home crafting dollars, which keeps the companies working hard to come out with products we want. Spellbinders has been very smart, but I'm not sure they deserve sole credit for starting any craze unless they have come out with something more recently that I'm not aware of. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jan 6, 2016 15:08:52 GMT
I had thought the MISTI was at least 8x10 or so, but I have never seen one in person. Is the stamping area really only 6x8? I'm pretty sure that the outside dimensions are 8x10, but inside the frame (the stamping area) looks to be 6 1/2 x 8 1/2. I don't own one - I just played one of the videos full screen and took a look at the rulers on the frame. Okay, thanks for clarifying. |
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 6, 2016 22:54:17 GMT
I want a MISTI, or something like it. But for now, I'm holding tight against buying it. For one, the price is way too high for a plastic box. For another, I cringed at the way the MISTI owner responded to people who make their own stamping tool. It was not only childish and unprofessional, it was an embarrassing example for someone who publicly touts herself as Christian. Still, I have to give the woman kudos for coming up with the idea. Its' spreading like wildfire. However, contracting the work to China in order to keep up with production demands may not have been the best move for the MISTI owner. Already her product has been shanghaied. They even used the same colors, measurements and design. Only the stamping has been changed. It's called the Stampoholic. I'll admit that there is a part of me that is mad that this kind of blatant ripoff can and does happen so easily to hard working, legitimate businesses. But there is also a part that believes this ripoff was orchestrated by a higher power, a power trying to teach the MISTI owner a behavior lesson. She threatened and bullied so many people who were trying to craft their own stamping tool for personal use and now she has little to no recourse over the people who have blatantly copied and advertised a product look-alike. It is so similar that I would guess they have the same manufacturer. And, at the equivalent of about $38 USD, it's a really good deal -- provided you live in India where it is sold and shipped. diecutsandmore.com/product/stampoholic/And they just posted a video of it, saying it is the Most Ultimate Stamping Tool (not a very creative way of stealing the Most Incredible Stamping Tool Invented slogan) www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXHIJHUmPr4Just saw the stampoholic knock off tool...Wow! It looks exactly the same as the MISTI. Couldn't they have at least changed the color! Illiana must have her panties in a wad about this tool.  I had thought the MISTI was at least 8x10 or so, but I have never seen one in person. Is the stamping area really only 6x8? I'm pretty sure that the outside dimensions are 8x10, but inside the frame (the stamping area) looks to be 6 1/2 x 8 1/2. I don't own one - I just played one of the videos full screen and took a look at the rulers on the frame.  And because I have one and I make larger cards it is too small to do many things I want to do with it. Honestly it just about works when making A2 sized cards and goodness knows I'm not going to invest in more of them!  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 7, 2016 5:16:48 GMT
Speaking of old-timer's. Does anyone remember the Aleene's scoreboard. It was made back in the lat 1970's or early 1980's. I think it was Aleene's. My Mother had one. I was so fascinated with it when I was a little girl. I'm not sure if it's the same but I have the Aleene's box maker. It came with a black plastic score board and some shiny white chipboard. Ha ha! I just turned one of those up in my studio a couple months ago! I didn't even remember I had it. |
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