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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 9, 2014 15:22:52 GMT
i am not fond of the idea that we will be funding all of this but can you imagine how shitty life has to be that a mother would send her child/ren off without her....into the unknown ...for the off-chance that they have a better life? i think sometimes we worry so much about the financial standpoint we lose compassion would canada consider taking on half the burden? That is what I keep thinking.. How bad would things be that I would let my child go?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 15:24:38 GMT
Maybe the parents are already here in the US?
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Post by Ellie on Jul 9, 2014 15:29:34 GMT
i am not fond of the idea that we will be funding all of this but can you imagine how shitty life has to be that a mother would send her child/ren off without her....into the unknown ...for the off-chance that they have a better life? i think sometimes we worry so much about the financial standpoint we lose compassion would canada consider taking on half the burden? I completely agree with this. I can't imagine. There are no simple answers. I grasp the financial considerations, but I can't help but feel compassion.
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Post by songbird on Jul 9, 2014 15:42:38 GMT
Can I ask a really ignorant question? I have heard little bits and pieces about this here and the news but life has gotten in my way recently and I haven't had the chance to really dig into this issue and research as I normally would. Why now? Why are we all of a sudden inundated with all of these children? Or has the news just now picked up on it and we simply haven't heard much about it before? Did something radical change in their country that made them flee this week, this month, this year? Why? I don't know why but the LA Times is reporting that 39,133 have arrived here in the last eight months. The numbers were 10,000 in 2012 and 20,000 in 2013. That is a LOT of kids! And those are only the ones we know of and have accounted for in statistics!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 15:52:09 GMT
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing".
#cheapseats
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Post by happyOCgirl on Jul 9, 2014 15:55:39 GMT
I am curious why it is all happening right now...what changed to have these inflated numbers crossing at once? We hear desperate parents sending their children and then the flip side is the children are being reunited with their parents. Don't you think if there was such an extreme humanitarian issue that these children needed to get out, we would help them leave legally? I know I've said it on other threads, but we, as a country, are expected to shoulder the burden of these immigrants, while fed stories from the media to make us feel compassion, yet we know something is 'off' about the whole thing. I think it's very telling when you look at the loyalty and care non-Americans are getting versus our own citizens. I wish we were still a country of take the bull by the horns and make it happen instead of blaming others.
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Post by maryland on Jul 9, 2014 16:01:52 GMT
I hope they let Americans adopt the children. I bet a lot of families would love to welcome these kids into their homes. How did the young children walk all the way from Central America on their own? How did they survive that long without help?
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Post by sugarmama on Jul 9, 2014 16:05:01 GMT
I was reading (sorry, I forgot what news site) where 47% of the "children" are males between the ages of 15 and 17. It's hard to know what is really true since the media is not allowed much access.
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Post by scrappammie on Jul 9, 2014 16:17:04 GMT
I'm curious if the previous posters have noticed that within their own sources they've reported the children may be fleeing violence, may not live in areas of violence, may be coming for opportunity, may already have parents here, may not have parents here that are trying to use them for future immigration purposes, may be etc.... and some have even said that no matter what reason the children give, they can't be trusted to be honest because they've been coached.
Good gravy.
Maybe there isn't a definitive reason because, if there was, I imagine that not only the geniuses posting here but even those in DC would have been able to nip this in the bud.
And, as always, I never get tired of pointing out that many of the people responding with "too much money" and "too many" and "send them home" are the same that say "Churches and communities should take care of the needy, poor and homeless - not the government."
Well...
Here's your chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 16:44:52 GMT
It's happening now because the President is trying to change the laws that attend to how the border patrol treats and processes unaccompanied minors.
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Post by gar on Jul 9, 2014 17:18:35 GMT
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing". #cheapseats Why is that? Don't you think we (non-Americans, many with our own huge illegal immigration problems) should step up and do the right thing in our countries too?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 9, 2014 17:59:57 GMT
I agree with this. I live in an area of the country where the poverty rate is extremely high. I see it every, single day. I also agree that we should take care of our servicemen and women better than we have. Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues
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Post by vicloo on Jul 9, 2014 18:01:34 GMT
Disputing the notion that violence is a major reason for the recent surge in the exodus of Guatemalan children to the U.S. border, the Guatemalan ambassador to the United States cited three factors that draw them northward: a desire to be with their parents, a lack of opportunities at home, and the aggressive recruitment of smugglers who guarantee parents that they will receive their children. Appearing on the Univision Sunday talk show “Al Punto”, Ambassador Julio Ligorria rejected host Jorge Ramos’s suggestion that the children were fleeing increased gang violence. While gang violence may be a major push factor in the flight of children from El Salvador, Ligorria said, Guatemalan children are fleeing primarily from areas in the north of Guatemala, far away from the eastern part of the country where gang violence has been concentrated. “So violence is not the reason,” Ligorria said. “It’s essentially a matter of lack of opportunities, of trying to reach the American dream, but also to achieve family reunification. Many of the parents of these children are in the United States, and the children go to find them.” I'm not going to dispute that there's violence. I will even state that I'm sure there are some (or perhaps even many) that are legitimate claims. But I am hesitant to believe that all of the claims made by those entering this country are factual. I'm hesitant to take Obama's word for it that it's violence in their homeland bringing them here. www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/guatemalan-ambassador-violence-in-central-america-is-not-reason-for-influx-of-illegals-to-us/I believe the above to be true. Here in San Antonio a number of the children have their parents name sewn into their clothing or written on their body. They are coming to join their parents who left them behind.
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Post by gar on Jul 9, 2014 18:04:55 GMT
I agree with this. I live in an area of the country where the poverty rate is extremely high. I see it every, single day. I also agree that we should take care of our servicemen and women better than we have. Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues What isn't happening in other countries? Illegal immigration???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 18:13:52 GMT
I know this sounds heartless, but I think they need to go back to where they came from! America is so busy helping to "fix" other countries problems while letting countless amounts of our own kids suffer right here in our own country. Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
I'm all for helping those in need, but I think we need to take care of our own first!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 19:02:53 GMT
Which country are you referring to here?
There is an estimated 850000 to 1 million illegal immigrants in the UK. Considering that the population of the UK is only 64 million I wouldn't go as far as to say that we don't have a problem. Would you? Illegal immigrants are costing the taxpayer up to an estimated £4,250 each ( approx $7300 ) in the value of the public services they use each year. That's leaving aside the number of legal immigrants that are here because of free movement within the European Union.
I don't think we're on the outside looking in somehow!
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Post by my2apps2 on Jul 9, 2014 19:06:44 GMT
Sadly, I don't think there is an easy answer. There are so many variables that it may not be a case of a one-size-fits-all solution. I absolutely think that the children need to be cared for. I also absolutely think that anyone with ties to crime or a gang should be escorted back without question (we certainly do not need more crime in this country or strengthening of gangs by an increase in member numbers)
I'm also not really confident that our government is handling this in a timely manner and I think it will soon be such a large scale problem that it could very well be beyond control.
My heart breaks for these people, these parents who are willing to part with their children to give them the chance (because it is most certainly not a guarantee) at a better life. I hope to never find myself in that position. But I also know that there are a plethora of issues that are coming to light as a result of this and we need to come up with a solution fast. I am also glad that I am not one of the people who have to make the hard decisions. The whole thing is just overwhelming!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 20:35:32 GMT
Helping as much as they could in some small way. This is what happened to some of it during Katrina. www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0920-08.htmHere's a list of the other countries than sent/pledged help during Katrina. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_KatrinaI'm not sure what aid you would have expected after 9/11. Without demeaning the loss of life to both Americans and other Nationalities on that day, it was an office complex. It was insured and not much could be done financially since it was the insurance companies call. So to answer your original question.....where were they then? They were offering another country that happened to be in need all the help they could if that country chose to accept it.
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Post by ladytrisha on Jul 9, 2014 21:35:59 GMT
I'm of the same opinion of Kerri W - why now? why the sudden, seemingly orchestrated influx? These kids aren't all getting here by themselves so why the sudden coordination of efforts to get them all here now?
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Post by gardengoddess on Jul 9, 2014 21:59:03 GMT
It's happening now because the President is trying to change the laws that attend to how the border patrol treats and processes unaccompanied minors. No....that's not what's happening. NPRThese children are from Central America, not Mexico....different rules and those rules weren't created under this administration. This is what happens with sequestration cuts, no money, not enough personnel to process......so now money has to be spent to try and process these children as quickly as they can. There is no other answer. If this doesn't wake up our politicians to how awful our immigration policies are and have been, I don't know what will.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 17:31:02 GMT
We are sending them back. It just takes time. There is no amnesty given or any of the BS that some are trying to claim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 17:33:26 GMT
I know this sounds heartless, but I think they need to go back to where they came from! America is so busy helping to "fix" other countries problems while letting countless amounts of our own kids suffer right here in our own country. Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
I'm all for helping those in need, but I think we need to take care of our own first! You are misinformed. Many many countries stepped in and helped us after those disasters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 17:35:00 GMT
Did you actually READ that article? It clearly states Obama is trying to speed up the deportation process.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 10, 2014 17:35:16 GMT
I think Mexico plays a huge role in this problem and I am frustrated with the President and Secretary of State not dealing with this head on.
The parent of these children are being told their children will be safe and taken care of in the United States. The news reports they are giving money/possessions to coyotes who usher them through the borders of their native counties to Mexico. They are passing through at least two Mexian borders before they arrive here.
These children are refugees and this is not an immigration reform issue that the President keeps tying this into.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 10, 2014 17:39:15 GMT
I know this sounds heartless, but I think they need to go back to where they came from! America is so busy helping to "fix" other countries problems while letting countless amounts of our own kids suffer right here in our own country. Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
I'm all for helping those in need, but I think we need to take care of our own first! You are misinformed. Many many countries stepped in and helped us after those disasters. Just as an interesting aside...Did you know that after Katrina the first international offer of aid came from Cuba who offered to send doctors and other medical aid? Their offer was turned down. (I don't remember details, just the overview.)
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jul 10, 2014 17:45:27 GMT
How would that solve anything? We have thousands of US born citizens (children) who are in the foster care system who have no real prospects for being adopted. How is it a good thing to add to that?
Actually Mexico's involvement is clear. America does not shelter Mexicans. It was reported on CBS news the other day that most of these kids are coming from Honduras where we don't have a clear deportation system set up. Why? I have no freakin' idea.
IF these kids have family who are here legally, then sure, let them in. If they are not, send them back along with their parents.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 10, 2014 17:58:06 GMT
peppermintpatty perhaps I was not clear. I know these children are coming from other South American countries and there are different rules that apply to countries with adjacent borders. My point is the families are turning their children over to Mexican coyotes along with payment. They pass through a Mexican border once there then pass through a Mexican border to get to US soil. There is something really f*cked up about that. Our government is not dealing with the Mexico government and I find that unsatisfactory.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 10, 2014 18:05:41 GMT
Why is our responsibility? Because we're a rich country and we are not inhumane.
How can the live with themselves for sending their kids? Please, pick a country, any country in South/Central America and go there. You wouldn't ask that question if you had seen the type of conditions these people live in. They are literally starving. They send their kids because it's their only hope, and they have nothing...I mean NOTHING!
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