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Post by compwalla on Jul 11, 2014 14:35:24 GMT
I think that the US is simply not used to refugees from a crisis pouring over the border the way other countries are. It happens any time there is a disaster or a conflict. The innocent bystanders just want to get away from it to safety and that it what we're seeing here. I simply don't see it as some kind of grand scam someone is running on us. No one has figured out what to do about them long term but in the short term, to treat them like animals or criminals is simply inhumane. That is not in keeping with my values. People in need require help; I am doing what I can.
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Post by pastlifepea on Jul 11, 2014 14:44:31 GMT
Sadly, I think everything being considered now to address this will be about as effective as applying a band aid to a sucking chest wound. This issue really bothers me because I really don't know how to fix it. I am glad I am not the president or someone who has to try to come up with a solution for it. We are only seeing the beginning of the effects this is going to have on the country. I suspect some of these kids will wind up in our already over burdened DCS system while others will reunite with their family here, but add to our already overcrowded and underfunded public school system. There are already leaks about the rampant communicable diseases and conditions a lot of these kids have. Being a mom myself, I also don't think I would be able to send these kids back to their home countries. We all want the best for our kids, and usually want them to have better than what we had. The parents of these children are no different.
It's really just one big hot mess and there is not going to be a happy ending here.
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Post by songbird on Jul 11, 2014 15:04:13 GMT
We have a crisis, and we have to deal with it in the most humane way possible imho. When it comes to the $3.7B price tag, well, that's probably just for the temporary bandaid. I don't think we should be working to process all of these children without also working on a long-term solution for blocking border access, meaning building a wall for starters. Additionally, to leave Mexico out of the equation also does not make sense, since they are the bordering country through which the Central Americans pass to get to "freedom" here.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 11, 2014 15:16:46 GMT
I think that the US is simply not used to refugees from a crisis pouring over the border the way other countries are. It happens any time there is a disaster or a conflict. The innocent bystanders just want to get away from it to safety and that it what we're seeing here. I simply don't see it as some kind of grand scam someone is running on us. No one has figured out what to do about them long term but in the short term, to treat them like animals or criminals is simply inhumane. That is not in keeping with my values. People in need require help; I am doing what I can. But that's just it. There hasn't been any disaster or conflict, just the usual turf wars, bad as they might be. Those people are coming here because as I said before, "suspension of deportations is the source of rampant rumors in Central America and elsewhere that children will find immediate amnesty or a path to citizenship when they get here. Show up and you are good to go. Thus the surge that we are currently seeing." Instead of being turned away at the border, they are invited in. I don't agree with that part of it because of why they came. Had there been a real war or disaster, my response would be different. I agree with the rest of your post, of course we need to be humane. Helping others in need is what we do.
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Post by Pahina722 on Jul 11, 2014 15:25:49 GMT
I think that the US is simply not used to refugees from a crisis pouring over the border the way other countries are. It happens any time there is a disaster or a conflict. The innocent bystanders just want to get away from it to safety and that it what we're seeing here. I simply don't see it as some kind of grand scam someone is running on us. No one has figured out what to do about them long term but in the short term, to treat them like animals or criminals is simply inhumane. That is not in keeping with my values. People in need require help; I am doing what I can. But that's just it. There hasn't been any disaster or conflict, just the usual turf wars, bad as they might be. Those people are coming here because as I said before, "suspension of deportations is the source of rampant rumors in Central America and elsewhere that children will find immediate amnesty or a path to citizenship when they get here. Show up and you are good to go. Thus the surge that we are currently seeing." Instead of being turned away at the border, they are invited in. I don't agree with that part of it because of why they came. Had there been a real war or disaster, my response would be different. I agree with the rest of your post, of course we need to be humane. Helping others in need is what we do. Becky just answered my unasked question. I have been trying to figure out what has suddenly changed in the political situation in any of these countries. Or wondering if there was some huge natural disaster that I completely missed. I don't think there is any good answer to this situation. I agree with a PP who said that anyone with gang ties should go back immediately. But as a mother, it's hard for me to countenance sending helpless CHILDREN back to abject poverty---I don't consider 15 to 17 year old gang members children---on the other hand, . . . . I could stay on this merry-go-round forever. Since I adopted my son from foster care, I do know some about how overburdened our system is. And since my own, American-born son was homeless for the first five years of his life, I know some about how precarious life is for our own citizens. We haven't managed to care adequately for THEM. I'm having a hard time understanding why care which should go to our own children first will be diverted to children from other nations. Yes, we are a nation of immigrants. Yes, we are a rich nation. Yes, we pride ourselves on everyone having the opportunity to achieve the American Dream. However, the home nations of these immigrants could/should encourage the same opportunities. WE can't fix those nations (no matter what we did or did not do in the past), so I fail to see that it is our job to take care of the children that their own policies have impoverished. As I've already said, there is no good answer.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 11, 2014 21:34:29 GMT
And you know this, how? Do you know these people personally? Do you know those 6 or 7 kids belong to that one mother, or is she taking care of someone else's kids too? I'm so tired of hearing this kind of stuff thrown around about undocumented workers. Y'all complain that they come here to take jobs away from Americans, and then you claim they're all getting welfare....that's just nonsense. You drive through the school zone to get to work, so how are you privy to which kids in the district are getting free services? I've known a lot of undocumented workers over the years and I've never met one who was sucking off the system (other than having their kids in public school, but then again, most of their kids were born here so they're entitled to an education) Every one of the immigrants I have known from south of the border, were hardworking family men and women, none of whom actually wanted to stay in the US, they wanted to make enough money to go back home and live without starving to death. They were law abiding people who stayed under the radar because they didn't want to get caught. They paid cash to see the doctor because they didn't want their names to be recorded anywhere. They were too scared to apply for services anywhere. That's not to say there aren't parasites, but I think there a whole lot fewer of them than people think....oh, and a great many of them do pay taxes so they're sharing your burden too. Conversely, I can show you a lot of American citizens who don't work, drive nice cars, have smart phones and get a welfare check every month. So if you want to be pissed off at a group of people for their 'uptown' habits and who are a burden to you...look no further than your own neighborhood! ^^^^^^I support every word of that. It astounds me how we as a nation virtually invite these people to sneak in and work for cheap, and then turn around and treat them as sub humans when it is politically expedient to do so.
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Post by myboysnme on Jul 11, 2014 22:39:58 GMT
I am really sick of this sentiment. I am a veteran. I was never promised care at the VA, and I'll never understand anyone who goes home and dies waiting for an appt - go to another hospital, an emergency room, a free clinic, something. If you can't get free VA care then you just go die? Ridiculous and no one does that. The VA is to provide care to those who acquired medical problems while serving in the military or whose medical problems occurred because of military service. Other vets are seen as space is available. Most of the veterans seeking care at a VA have no disability that occurred in the service. The VA hospital near me serves almost 2000 veterans every day, 365 days a year. In fact, if the VA closed the door to all the people who are looking for free medical care who never had any health problem occur in the military there would be crickets chirping in the waiting areas. I served in the military twice; got out in between to go to college. We were told IF we served 20 years we could get free medical care through the military. Not through the VA, not for our families, but for us, those of us who served, provided by the military. Some people went to the VA to get care and didn't get an appt, didn't get care anyplace else and subsequently passed away. The number is less than 20 in the entire country. This in no way compares to tens of thousands of little children looking for help. No comparison at all.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jul 11, 2014 23:15:56 GMT
IMHO the criminal element in Mexico took advantage of suspended deportation via executive order & seized the opportunity to financially benefit from human trafficking while simultaneously populating the growing international gang membership in the US. The sheer volume of people arriving makes it virtually impossible to validate the identity, affiliations, & movements of every person. I expect us to see the effects of this surge in illegals for years to come!
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Post by threegirls on Jul 12, 2014 0:55:04 GMT
myboysnme - you attributed a quote to me that I did not make. That quote was from another poster and was one that I had quoted. I do believe that we should treat our veteran's better. I know there are homeless and jobless vets that could use help and the services are not always adequate for them. I know this first hand because my husband helped a homeless, jobless vet get back on his feet and find a job.
I asked this in an earlier thread and no one had an answer so I'll ask again; What is the long term economic plan for taking care of these tens of thousands of kids?
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Post by whirledpeas on Jul 12, 2014 1:10:34 GMT
In order to keep "intrusions by various nomadic groups or military incursions by various warlike peoples or forces" China built the Great Wall of China as early as 7th Century B.C. It is now a symbol of the country. We, however, have The Statue of Liberty. It is a beacon of Liberty for people coming to America.
Do you want to know why they are coming here?
This is why: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -Emma Lazarus
Was it only good until "we" all got in?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 1:15:15 GMT
The VA is to provide care to those who acquired medical problems while serving in the military or whose medical problems occurred because of military service. Thanks to the Fiscal Year 2008 Defense Authorization Act, which was passed into law on January 28 military members who served in combat are now eligible for free medical care from the Department of Veterans Affairs, for five years following discharge, even if their health problems are not service-connected. Veterans who take advantage of this five-year window to receive VA health care can continue to receive care after five years, although they may have to pay co-payments for medical problems unrelated to their military service, VA officials said. usmilitary.about.com/od/vethealth/a/combatcare.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 1:45:22 GMT
Some people went to the VA to get care and didn't get an appt, didn't get care anyplace else and subsequently passed away. The number is less than 20 in the entire country. It up to 1000 now that have died due to secret lists and lack of care.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 12, 2014 2:10:26 GMT
Do you want to know why they are coming here? This is why: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -Emma Lazarus Was it only good until "we" all got in? "We" got here legally. (My forefathers did.) How is having immigration laws and enforcing them incongruous with that sentiment?
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Post by lucyg on Jul 12, 2014 5:50:37 GMT
Not everyone's ancestors came here legally. We have been implicitly encouraging migrant workers and other unskilled labor to come from Mexico and Central America for generations. Plenty of others came in through Canada or overstayed their visas. They still do it, but if they're English-speaking or skilled in technology, we look the other way.
But now we want to punish the Spanish-speaking ones. Good thinking. There is virtually no legal way for poor Mexican workers to come in, but the jobs are still here for them and we still implicitly encourage them to come with one hand, while batting them away with the other.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 12, 2014 7:07:02 GMT
Not everyone's ancestors came here legally. We have been implicitly encouraging migrant workers and other unskilled labor to come from Mexico and Central America for generations. Plenty of others came in through Canada or overstayed their visas. They still do it, but if they're English-speaking or skilled in technology, we look the other way. But now we want to punish the Spanish-speaking ones. Good thinking. There is virtually no legal way for poor Mexican workers to come in, but the jobs are still here for them and we still implicitly encourage them to come with one hand, while batting them away with the other. You're right Lucy, and it stinks. I would love to see a workable guest-worker program for those who just want to work here (not all want to stay and live here) and for those who do want to stay and live here I would like to see a separate path for a guest-worker to become a citizen. I don't think it is either humane or doable to deport every single person who is here illegally, either. But I do feel that we need to get the border under control first because right now it is a sieve and until it is managed well, it's going to remain a sieve. And we could certainly turn people away at the border because that would have the ripple effect of fewer people trying to slide in illegally. <shrug> Just my thoughts.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 12, 2014 9:31:33 GMT
The insularity of some people here never ceases to amaze me. Comments like this show ignorance and even arrogance: As humanitarian an issue as this is, we cannot possibly shoulder the moral and financial responsibility to care for all on the planet that are in a bad situation, can we?
Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.
Maybe half of these children should be passed on to Canada. They could offer a fair share of helping these children, instead of the entire 'rightful' burden being placed on the US.
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing". #cheapseats
Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues
Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
We cannot save the world...even though the world expects us to!
Thank goodness for Peas such as Imagine747 and scrappower who at least have a clue. I had to step away after reading some of the comments so I wouldn't reply too quickly in anger. I have calmed down now. Lot of other countries are in the midst of their own illegal immigration issues. Here in Australia it is the number one political topic at the moment. My FB feed is full of posts about asylum seekers who are coming here by boat. And as for suggesting that no-one provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Katrina.... well that's not only ignorant, it is damn well insulting.
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Post by gar on Jul 12, 2014 9:50:19 GMT
Mind boggling isn't it ..........the lack of knowledge by some, about the world beyond their shores is actually quite shocking sometimes to be honest.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jul 12, 2014 10:09:37 GMT
Mind boggling isn't it ..........the lack of knowledge by some, about the world beyond their shores is actually quite shocking sometimes to be honest. This, absolutely!!
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 12, 2014 10:24:27 GMT
Yeah, the boat people seeking refuge in Australia is just tragic all round, isn't it! So many people crammed on a boat, often not at all seaworthy, sometimes capsizing on the way. A few try for New Zealand, but of course most go for Australia if for no other reason that it's a rather big landmass to bypass on the way! But we do have a huge number of illegal immigrants here too, mostly from the Pacific Islands, probably with Asia coming insecond.
I wonder why some Americans seem to think that everyone in the world relies on America for everything (I know it's only some Americans) - could it be their news reports encourage that sort of thinking, not reporting on other countries so much?
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Post by gar on Jul 12, 2014 10:26:46 GMT
I guessed at the same thing Jo
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jul 12, 2014 10:27:22 GMT
The insularity of some people here never ceases to amaze me. Comments like this show ignorance and even arrogance: As humanitarian an issue as this is, we cannot possibly shoulder the moral and financial responsibility to care for all on the planet that are in a bad situation, can we?
Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.
Maybe half of these children should be passed on to Canada. They could offer a fair share of helping these children, instead of the entire 'rightful' burden being placed on the US.
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing". #cheapseats
Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues
Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
We cannot save the world...even though the world expects us to!
Thank goodness for Peas such as Imagine747 and scrappower who at least have a clue. I had to step away after reading some of the comments so I wouldn't reply too quickly in anger. I have calmed down now. Lot of other countries are in the midst of their own illegal immigration issues. Here in Australia it is the number one political topic at the moment. My FB feed is full of posts about asylum seekers who are coming here by boat. And as for suggesting that no-one provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Katrina.... well that's not only ignorant, it is damn well insulting. I totally agree with this! Australia is having a real problem regarding this and another example is the camps set up on the French side of the Eurotunnel filled with asylum seekers trying to get into the UK by whatever means they can think of......sneaking into trucks, under trucks - you name it, it's been tried. There are many, many countries having real problems with illegal immigration!
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Post by lindas on Jul 12, 2014 11:13:46 GMT
I see all the Peas across the ocean are talking about their immigration problems but is it a majority of unaccompanied minors flooding your borders?
Illegal immigration is a major problem all over the world but we're talking about children, a vast majority with no family here to take them. Plus we're now seeing the MS13 gang members coming in and we can't do anything about it because they are minors.
This is is our 2014 Katrina....too many to fast and a government that's ill equipped to handle the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 11:44:48 GMT
My mom came to the US as a war refugee when she was 5 years old. Luckily, with her parents, and my uncles. They did come legally. But no way can I support sending refugee children back to where they came from. I just can't. And for the record, I lost my entire career and my home when we went into economic collapse. Who did that? WHO DID IT??? Immigrants? refugees? No. The banking industry. Well if there was a civil war raging in these countries, with terrorists ravaging the countrysides and slaughtering innocents for the crime of not being Muslim etc... Then I would feel differently about this situation. But that is not the case. I don't care how shitty their county is, it isn't our fault. I don't care what we did in the 80s, we still didn't cause the conditions they have now. They did...their leaders. Not us. And yes, Obama's brilliant policies are totally to blame for it all. Nearly half the people in this country are already living off the backs of the other half. And democrats are hell bent on destroying the half that is still struggling to pay the bills. Because fairness, or something. We can't take care of the orphans of the entire hemisphere too. We just can't. Maybe if Obama hadn't put us another 7 trillion in debt, we could be more effective, afford to be more generous. But he has pisses it away as only a feckless moronic economically illiterate man who has never held a real job or met a payroll can do. As to the economic collapse - the banking industry did not cause it alone. The federal government coerced, cajoled and blackmailed them into adopting the policies that lead to it, then turned a blind eye to the red flags for years. And now they are returing to the same policies in the name of "fairness". So place your blame where it belongs, and ask why they are trying to do it again!
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Post by tagsie2000 on Jul 12, 2014 11:56:40 GMT
The insularity of some people here never ceases to amaze me. Comments like this show ignorance and even arrogance: As humanitarian an issue as this is, we cannot possibly shoulder the moral and financial responsibility to care for all on the planet that are in a bad situation, can we?
Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.
Maybe half of these children should be passed on to Canada. They could offer a fair share of helping these children, instead of the entire 'rightful' burden being placed on the US.
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing". #cheapseats
Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues
Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
We cannot save the world...even though the world expects us to!
Thank goodness for Peas such as Imagine747 and scrappower who at least have a clue. I had to step away after reading some of the comments so I wouldn't reply too quickly in anger. I have calmed down now. Lot of other countries are in the midst of their own illegal immigration issues. Here in Australia it is the number one political topic at the moment. My FB feed is full of posts about asylum seekers who are coming here by boat. And as for suggesting that no-one provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Katrina.... well that's not only ignorant, it is damn well insulting. Completely agree with this as well.
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Post by gardengoddess on Jul 12, 2014 12:02:36 GMT
This is is our 2014 Katrina....too many to fast and a government that's ill equipped to handle the problem. Yes, let's compare a natural disaster that killed over 1800 people and caused 125 billion in damage to an immigration crisis. Boy, if that isn't the right wing talking point du jour, I don't know what is. The government is ill equipped because of sequestration....remember that? there are ramifications of that that a whole lot of people had no clue about and had no clue what the trickle down effect would be. and again....if it hadn't have been for 2008 law that was passed regarding children from Central America, there would be no need to process them they way are country has to now because it's the LAW. Would you like Congress and the President to change that law?I watch a bit of Fox News the other night and I could not believe the scare tactics that they were using regarding this immigration crisis....holy cow.....it was really really irresponsible of them.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 12, 2014 12:05:38 GMT
The insularity of some people here never ceases to amaze me. Comments like this show ignorance and even arrogance: As humanitarian an issue as this is, we cannot possibly shoulder the moral and financial responsibility to care for all on the planet that are in a bad situation, can we?
Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.
Maybe half of these children should be passed on to Canada. They could offer a fair share of helping these children, instead of the entire 'rightful' burden being placed on the US.
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing". #cheapseats
Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues
Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
We cannot save the world...even though the world expects us to!
Thank goodness for Peas such as Imagine747 and scrappower who at least have a clue. I had to step away after reading some of the comments so I wouldn't reply too quickly in anger. I have calmed down now. Lot of other countries are in the midst of their own illegal immigration issues. Here in Australia it is the number one political topic at the moment. My FB feed is full of posts about asylum seekers who are coming here by boat. And as for suggesting that no-one provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Katrina.... well that's not only ignorant, it is damn well insulting. I totally agree with this! Australia is having a real problem regarding this and another example is the camps set up on the French side of the Eurotunnel filled with asylum seekers trying to get into the UK by whatever means they can think of......sneaking into trucks, under trucks - you name it, it's been tried. There are many, many countries having real problems with illegal immigration! Perhaps these countries should just suck it up until their taxpayers simply cannot foot the bill anymore and they go under. After all, quitting prior to that would be unseemly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 12:31:18 GMT
The insularity of some people here never ceases to amaze me. Comments like this show ignorance and even arrogance: As humanitarian an issue as this is, we cannot possibly shoulder the moral and financial responsibility to care for all on the planet that are in a bad situation, can we?
Americans should not be thrown a guilt trip when we are unable to help every person in the world.
Maybe half of these children should be passed on to Canada. They could offer a fair share of helping these children, instead of the entire 'rightful' burden being placed on the US.
Kindof amusing that people from Canada and other places feel so strongly that the United States should "step up and do the right thing". #cheapseats
Since this isn't happening in other countries it is easier to do this since the other countries are sitting on the outside watching. It seems to be much easier to tell the American's what we are doing wrong or what we should be doing when the country you are in isn't facing the same issues
Where are so many of these other countries when we need help? We rush to the aid of other countries for "peacekeeping" and war, for helping in a natural disaster, for helping the sick. When we had 911 or Katrina, for example, where were they then?
We cannot save the world...even though the world expects us to!
Thank goodness for Peas such as Imagine747 and scrappower who at least have a clue. I had to step away after reading some of the comments so I wouldn't reply too quickly in anger. I have calmed down now. Lot of other countries are in the midst of their own illegal immigration issues. Here in Australia it is the number one political topic at the moment. My FB feed is full of posts about asylum seekers who are coming here by boat. And as for suggesting that no-one provided aid to the US after 9/11 and Katrina.... well that's not only ignorant, it is damn well insulting. Since mine is the very first you quoted, please let me say that I realize that other countries also have illegal immigration issues. My point was more about "well let's start a line...Sudan can be next" and less to do with "only the US has this issue or all illegal immigrants want to come to the US"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 12:31:49 GMT
Because it's the humane thing to do when someone is in need and/or distress? Because being a good human involves helping others instead of asking why it's my/our responsibility? Because if I was in the shoes of those poor children, I would hope that someone would help me instead of looking at me as a burden or an expense that wastes money that could be better used elsewhere? Because it's the right thing to do? Just my Canadian point of view. How many of these children has Canada offered to take in to relieve the American burden?
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jul 12, 2014 12:56:18 GMT
Perhaps these countries should just suck it up until their taxpayers simply cannot foot the bill anymore and they go under. After all, quitting prior to that would be unseemly. We taxpayers do 'suck it up' and fund the bill for this and contribute to foreign aid as well and exactly the same applies to Australia, New Zealand, the whole of Europe etc., no matter the rights and wrongs of the situation. The UK is tiny compared to the US, has only a population of 64 million and we haven't gone under so why should the US? We also pay a lot more in direct and indirect taxes than you do and provide many more services to these people and that is a tremendous burden on our economy but we somehow manage to keep going.
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Post by lindas on Jul 12, 2014 13:01:44 GMT
This is is our 2014 Katrina....too many to fast and a government that's ill equipped to handle the problem. Yes, let's compare a natural disaster that killed over 1800 people and caused 125 billion in damage to an immigration crisis. Boy, if that isn't the right wing talking point du jour, I don't know what is. The government is ill equipped because of sequestration....remember that? there are ramifications of that that a whole lot of people had no clue about and had no clue what the trickle down effect would be. and again....if it hadn't have been for 2008 law that was passed regarding children from Central America, there would be no need to process them they way are country has to now because it's the LAW. Would you like Congress and the President to change that law?I watch a bit of Fox News the other night and I could not believe the scare tactics that they were using regarding this immigration crisis....holy cow.....it was really really irresponsible of them. It never ceases to amaze me just how figuratively people take things here. Sequestration, the idea that originated in the White House and was passed with 58% of Democrats voting for it. Yeah, I remember that. Obama has already asked Congress to amend the 2008 law so that Border Patrol agents can make an immediate decision on deportation. Really, you don't think that CNN and others don't use their own form of scare tactics when reporting. You can't light a fire if you don't have a fuel source. Exaggeration in reporting is their fuel and they all use it.
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