The Israel-Palestine conflict...anyone want to share...

Thanks for that statistic, I-95. It does put things in perspective a bit. Israel is accused of genocide, yet the Muslims who've killed 3 times more Palestinians are not. Very thought-provoking.

Thanks, I-95. Maybe I need another cup of coffee before it's safe for me to post ...

So, what I conclude from reading this thread is: Israel never uses propaganda, never kills innocent people, and is mostly blameless. All Palestinians support Hamas, and are guilty for supporting hamas and deserve to be killed, because they live to support the killing of Israelis. Israel, all good, Palestinians, all bad.

BeckyTech - The link in that LiveLeeks published photo of Nick Caseys journal on twitter doesn't work. So I went directly to his caseysjournal twitter feed  here is the link and I can't find that photo. Perhaps you could find the original source of that photo to authenticate that it is a valid photo and confirmation of who he was allegedy interviewing four days ago. From the info on the LiveLeeks site there is no valid confirmation that it was posted by Nick Casey. It's so easy nowadays to " doctor" photos for propaganda purposes or to make accusations and attribute the source to someone else as in the case of Jon Snow, which proved to be unfounded.

I worked at a Jewish camp in the kitchen last year.  I met a man from Israel that became my favorite person at the camp.  He was a trained chef but was hired as a tour guide and was taking a group of campers on a two week bike tour around Lake Michigan.  He would come and just help out where needed because his sleep schedule was off.  He is special and kind to me.

He is a Facebook friend and is posting pictures.  Ones the news has not reported on. Pray for them.

I-95---

Thanks for the info about about Muslim deaths... I would quote it, but can't figure out how to on my mobile phone. Stay safe, my friend.

It is impossible to discuss any subject with someone who has bigoted views and you are talking at me here, not to me.

OK, I tried, but the little bandaids across my mouth are not gonna work

I guess when your comprehension skills are that bad, you actually aren't aware how totally clueless you sound when you admit that's what you got out of 17 pages. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth closed and have people think you're a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

SMH

I did some Googling and it seems that Nick Casey took it down. He is on the Gaza side and it would seem Hamas is putting pressure on journalists.  The photo was accompanied by a tweet.
The Gatestone Institute has a cover story right now titled "How the Media Is Helping Hamas:"

From the UN Watch website:


Lastly, here is an article from the Jerusalem Post about the threatening nature of Hamas towards journalists who tell the truth and the bravery of a UK journalist who stood up under the pressure:

Just out of interest, what do you consider Europe to consist of and how many foreign languages do you speak? I live in Europe and couldn't really give you a concise or comprehensive account of how 'most European media coverage' is reporting this.

Yes, I found a report that Nick Casey had taken it down,but no confirmation that it was ever there.Well they did try and make it look legitimate but it's quite easy to embed an image to a copy of a twitter header screen shot. I also searched through Google images for the original and the only ones that are on there are varying copies ( size wise) of the one on the link to Liveleeks and what has been circulated on varying facebook posts, nothing more. It's strange that if the image had been legitimate then one would expect the original to have come up somewhere on google with at least a report on it from someone other than Liveleeks.

I would question that Hamas are putting pressure on journalists as has been suggested. I can't speak for any other country's journalists but I know here in the UK the journalists are VERY protective of, and will defend, their right to a free press and rightly so. There was a fierce outcry when the editors from The News of the World( owned by Rupert Murdoch News International) jeopardized that right by their actions a couple of years ago. There are some very experienced UK journalists reporting from Gaza, experienced in the sense that they are veterans of reporting from world wide areas of conflict. At no time has it been suggested that they have been censored by any terrorist group anywhere.I'm not suggesting that that particular journalist had not been threatened, he quite possibly could have, we have to take his word for it but I don't agree that it's a common occurrence or that it has happened to any other journalist.


ETA - I've had a little google search of Harry Fear and it revealed, in my opinion, a disturbing lack of judgement in his beliefs. I have little time for a journalist or anyone else that would defend the right of a person to write this when the counter terrorist intelligence force in this country are doing their uptmost to protect us from  terrorists including home grown terrorists that are influenced by what they read on social media.



defending this persons right to voice this and not be prosecuted for  a grossly offensive communication ( which is what he was charged with) two days after the lives of 6 British Military was lost in Afghanistan is, at least to me, abhorrent. So I'll take whatever Harry Fear says with a pinch of salt.

And a very rational opinion it is too.

Of course news agencies are going to report on the drama and casualties in Gaza. If it bleeds, it leads. Americans do it too. I do think the American channels tend to be way more Pro-Israeli and the Europeans tend to be more Pro-Palestinian, but that's my opinion of the situation. I think the problem I have is when I see the news reports that show pictures of dead babies and use pregnant women, it's done to sensationalize the news. How can one not be disturbed by such visuals? There is no other other side to show because Israel, rightly so, draws the line at using graphic images of dead bodies, children sobbing in terror as sirens wail in the background, so one is left with the idea that Israel is not affected by the war. I saw a report the other day that showed dead Palestinian children and bombed out buildings in Gaza, the very next segment was footage of beachfront apartments in Tel Aviv, gleaming in the sunlight and Israeli civilians going about their business, grocery shopping and sitting in cafes. The contrast was obviously meant to denigrate Israel, and that sort of thing is what bugs the heck out of me.

Have any of you used Google Earth to look at Gaza? Please do. I hear folks frequently saying that the Palestinians are crammed into this tiny space like sardines...go look at the aerial footage of Gaza and note the wide open spaces (farms) and understand that people are not stuffed in there in subhuman conditions. Zoom down and look at some of the residential streets and particularly the gorgeous beaches. Also realize that IF Hamas chose to, they could easily be firing their rockets from any of those empty fields, then ask yourself why they are using residential homes, in the densely populated urban areas as their firing range. In ANY war wherever the enemy is firing from becomes a legal target for the other side, even if it is a residential building. Hamas knows this, Israel knows this. Hamas does it, not because they have to, but because they want the world to believe Israel is targeting civilians.

I cannot think of another war, anywhere in the world, where one side, in this case Israel, is expected to behave as no other army in the world is expected to conduct themselves. I know of no other army in the world that has to deal with the under-the-microscope, play by play commentary from the rest of the world. During the Bosnian war was the press and millions of citizens worldwide critiquing every move the Bosnians or Croatians made? We got news reports but for the most part the rest of the world was not arguing over who shot at whom, and whether it was fair or not. There were some horrific atrocities committed in that war, but for most of us it was a blip on the radar. Were American and British troops dogged every step they took in Iraq and did the world see graphic photos of every civilian we killed there? Did we get daily armchair quarterbacking on whether they hit a civilian building as they fought in the streets of Baghdad? Allied forces in Iraq killed more than 100,000 civilians. So why is our tiny little corner of the world so polarizing? Why is the humanitarian issue so much more important here than it is in Syria, or Rawanda, or any of the other countries you listed? Honestly, did you get blow by blow daily reports on civilian deaths in Afghanistan? We sure didn't, unless it was a particularly horrific day of death. I bet you could pull a dozen sentient people off the street in the US or UK and ask them how many civilians Israel has killed and they'd probably have a good idea. Then ask them how many died today in Iraq and they wouldn't have a clue (it was 48, just in case weren't all up to speed on that)

Now I hear that a 'Humanitarian Flotilla' is going to try and make it to Gaza under the 'protection of the Turkish Navy'. This is going to be a cluster f---. Or, as they say in Israel 'oy vey!'

There are no words.  :::: sob ::::

You can just cut out what you don't want in a quote (which is what I did there)! I think people haven't quite worked out this quote function yet!

I'm lucky in that I use a couple of other forums using the same or similar layout etc and find it intuitive!