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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2014 3:25:36 GMT
Honestly the more I read about it the more convinced I am that Hamas filled a void and when Israel wipes them out the replacement will be worse. I hadn't done much research but I have a couple of Jewish friends who kept posting stuff about boycotting Israel and I couldn't figure out why. Anyways - I've been trying to find diverse international news sources because I feel like the American media is very one sided and that you can't judge the situation as we see it now but look at it in context over the last 100 years. The whole thing is heartbreaking but our countries unquestioning devotion to Israel scares me. And if anyone cares - I liked this site to counterbalance the usual news www.ifamericansknew.orgSent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk Per the Anti-Defamation League, If Americans Knew is an anti-Semitic propaganda machine run by a one-woman show (Alison Weir, not the British historical author). It is not the unbiased information source it likes to present itself as.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 1, 2014 3:30:59 GMT
I didn't say they couldn't ask the tough questions. You are assuming I think asking questions makes me sad. Ask all the questions you want. What makes me sad is the manner and means. I'm sad that Palestinian children are dying. What also saddens me is that people overlook Hamas' mission in all of this. I blame Hamas for terrorist activities towards Israel. I blame Hamas for turning safe areas in Gaza into militarized ones. I blame Hamas for their own rockets misfiring and killing civilians. I blame Hamas for using their children as shields and martyrs. I do not blame Israel for defending its civilians and securing its borders from terrorists. I also do not blame Israel for heavily controlling borders it shares with a people who have elected a terrorist organization whose mission is clearly stated to wipe Israel off the earth. I can feel sadness over the loss of Palestinian civilians. I just cannot support terrorist Hamas. Now that does not mean I think Israel is always right, but I do feel they are MORE right than Hamas. I also am saddened by the overall tone of the other thread. I thought the tone of the other thread was not at all disappointing. There are lots of questions and concerns and until a real discussion occurs, there will be no solutions. Personally, because of my nature and love of history, I tend to place conflicts into a historical context. I am trying to sort it out and am a little frustrated in thinking that questions=wrongness. But nobody has said questions = wrongness. I said I embrace questions. What I won't embrace is support in any form for Hamas. What saddens me is questioning Israel's right to defend themselves without questioning Hamas' actions against their own people. Hamas = Terrorists Terrorists = wrongness It saddens me when people equate Israel defending her borders and her civilians as wrongness.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 1, 2014 3:46:30 GMT
I thought the tone of the other thread was not at all disappointing. There are lots of questions and concerns and until a real discussion occurs, there will be no solutions. Personally, because of my nature and love of history, I tend to place conflicts into a historical context. I am trying to sort it out and am a little frustrated in thinking that questions=wrongness. But nobody has said questions = wrongness. I said I embrace questions. What I won't embrace is support in any form for Hamas. What saddens me is questioning Israel's right to defend themselves without questioning Hamas' actions against their own people. Hamas = Terrorists Terrorists = wrongness It saddens me when people equate Israel defending her borders and her civilians as wrongness. I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas, which everyone knows is a terrorist organization. I have seen people express concern for the innocent Palestinian people who are being used as pawns in this battle. For you to suggest that anyone here supports Hamas is absurd.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 1, 2014 4:05:27 GMT
But nobody has said questions = wrongness. I said I embrace questions. What I won't embrace is support in any form for Hamas. What saddens me is questioning Israel's right to defend themselves without questioning Hamas' actions against their own people. Hamas = Terrorists Terrorists = wrongness It saddens me when people equate Israel defending her borders and her civilians as wrongness. I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas, which everyone knows is a terrorist organization. I have seen people express concern for the innocent Palestinian people who are being used as pawns in this battle. For you to suggest that anyone here supports Hamas is absurd. Anytime you tell Israel they should stop responding to the terrorist activities that would compromise the safety and security of its borders and neighborhoods you support the actions of Hamas. Blaming Israel for the loss of Palestinian life is exactly what Hamas wants you to do. What I find absurd is the expectations the global community has placed on Israel- they are not allowed to protect their own citizens. What I find absurd is not questioning Hamas spending 90 million dollars on terrorist tunnels into Israeli neighborhoods while their own Palestinian children are lacking basic necessities. I'm outraged at the humanitarian crisis in Gaza- I'm outraged that Hamas pours millions of dollars into trying to kill Israelis instead of investing in their own people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 4:16:38 GMT
But nobody has said questions = wrongness. I said I embrace questions. What I won't embrace is support in any form for Hamas. What saddens me is questioning Israel's right to defend themselves without questioning Hamas' actions against their own people. Hamas = Terrorists Terrorists = wrongness It saddens me when people equate Israel defending her borders and her civilians as wrongness. I haven't seen anyone supporting Hamas, which everyone knows is a terrorist organization. I have seen people express concern for the innocent Palestinian people who are being used as pawns in this battle. For you to suggest that anyone here supports Hamas is absurd. Exactly!
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conchita
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Post by conchita on Aug 1, 2014 11:29:05 GMT
When anti-semitism is referred to in the news here it really is anti-semitism. They're not just talking about those who are protesting. And it wouldn't be advisable to actually report what hate speech was being shouted during the rallies. Protesting is one thing but calling out, "Death to Jews" is hate speech and is taken very seriously here in Germany. Attacking Jews in the streets is a hate crime. Attacking synagogues is a hate crime. Those are obvious. Being pro-Palestine doesn't make you anti-Semitic any more than being pro-Israel makes you anti-Palestine. But there has been an increase in anti-semitism speech and crimes from those who are also Palestinian supporters. And I have noticed a subtlety in some people's responses here that borders on anti-Semitism. They say just enough without crossing the line. That's been MY perception. I do not believe the majority of posters here who do support the Palestinian people are anti-Semitic. I think we are all agreeing that the deaths on both sides is horrific. But I do not blame Israel. I blame Hamas. And that's where we all seem to be disagreeing.
Here's an example of what's going on in my neck of the woods:
"DEUTSCHE NEWS: The Local website reports German police arrested a second suspect on Wednesday in connection with an attack in which Molotov cocktails were thrown at a synagogue in western Germany. Prosecutors in Wuppertal said they had arrested a 19-year-old from Syria on Wednesday in connection with the attack on the city's Bergische synagogue in the early hours of Tuesday morning. Police believe three young men threw a number of burning bottles into the synagogue entrance-way in an apparent attempt to burn it down."
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AmeliaBloomer
Drama Llama
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 1, 2014 12:26:58 GMT
I do not believe the majority of posters here who do support the Palestinian people are anti-Semitic. I think we are all agreeing that the deaths on both sides is horrific. But I do not blame Israel. I blame Hamas. And that's where we all seem to be disagreeing. I couldn't agree more. And the knowledge that unconscionable attitudes like this persist is what complicates things during a discussion like this. I also agree with this. But the likelihood of being lumped into this category increases when people are not face to face, and when a post is interpreted differently by different readers (which results in terms like "vilify Israel" and "support Hamas" lobbed seemingly indiscriminately at times). The undercurrent of possible real anti-Semitism is matched by the undercurrent of suspicion of possible anti-Semitism, which can makes the prospect of jumping in here daunting. btw: Conchita, your posts and perspectives are really interesting. Thank you.
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