Dani-Mani
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 12, 2014 15:44:26 GMT
Their thoughts/opinions? I find myself torn, admittedly biased by what the media is showing, on how I feel about this right now.
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scrapaddie
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Post by scrapaddie on Jul 12, 2014 17:26:26 GMT
I find the media very biased towards Israel. We actually studied this in our church quite a bit.... Our interim pastor is involved on a national level. Israel does not abide by agreements... It can take hours for Muslims to move through the city because of check points that apply only to them. Jews, Muslims and Christians all have religious and historical interests in Jerusalem, but most of the conflict seems to be economically based. The website blow has some very interesting facts: lid Americans knew
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 17:30:22 GMT
I think Israel is more than justified in taking the kinds of precautions they do. After all, their entire neighborhood believes they have no right to exist and wishes to blow them off the map.
My feelings though...like the other middle eastern conflicts, these issues have been going on for a long time. I don't think they're ever going to be resolved with everyone being satisfied. But IMO, Israel is only reacting to the attacks from Hamas.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 12, 2014 17:59:15 GMT
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Post by LauraTen on Jul 12, 2014 18:02:17 GMT
This conflict started when 3 Israeli teens were kidnapped and killed.
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Post by Neisey on Jul 12, 2014 18:11:46 GMT
My DH leaves in 2 weeks for a year in Israel (canadian military) so I am very disturbed by all the recent surge in activity. He says "on the good side, maybe my danger pay will increase." Such a practical man
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:19:48 GMT
My DH leaves in 2 weeks for a year in Israel (canadian military) so I am very disturbed by all the recent surge in activity. He says "on the good side, maybe my danger pay will increase." Such a practical man I don't think Israel is any more or less "safe" now (even with the surge in activity) than it was 2 yrs ago. It's been a hotbed of danger for quite a while. I hope your DH stays safe. I know you must be worried already.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 12, 2014 18:20:16 GMT
I'm sorry, but you don't have a f'ing clue what you're talking about!
Right this minute I am in Tel Aviv as sirens are blasting. Hamas is sending rockets straight at Tel Aviv. Keep in mind that while they are firing rockets straight at the civilian population of Israel, the State of Israel is continuing to supply the Gaza strip with water, food, medicine, and electricity. They could cut those off in a second if they wanted to, but they don't. If Israel is going to bomb a terrorist's home in Gaza, they CALL them first to warn everyone to get out of the house. WTH does that? In the last 5 minutes I have watched 8 rockets intercepted by the Iron Dome. Thank God for technology!!
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Post by LauraTen on Jul 12, 2014 18:23:27 GMT
Right this minute I am in Tel Aviv as sirens are blasting. Hamas is sending rockets straight at Tel Aviv. Keep in mind that while they are firing rockets straight at the civilian population of Israel, the State of Israel is continuing to supply the Gaza strip with water, food, medicine, and electricity. They could cut those off in a second if they wanted to, but they don't. If Israel is going to bomb a terrorist's home in Gaza, they CALL them first to warn everyone to get out of the house. WTH does that? In the last 5 minutes I have watched 8 rockets intercepted by the Iron Dome. Thank God for technology!! Well said!
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Post by Neisey on Jul 12, 2014 18:23:59 GMT
Right this minute I am in Tel Aviv as sirens are blasting. Hamas is sending rockets straight at Tel Aviv. Keep in mind that while they are firing rockets straight at the civilian population of Israel, the State of Israel is continuing to supply the Gaza strip with water, food, medicine, and electricity. They could cut those off in a second if they wanted to, but they don't. If Israel is going to bomb a terrorist's home in Gaza, they CALL them first to warn everyone to get out of the house. WTH does that? In the last 5 minutes I have watched 8 rockets intercepted by the Iron Dome. Thank God for technology!! Stay safe! Are you living there? Are you able to leave (if you wanted to?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 18:24:31 GMT
I'm sorry, but you don't have a f'ing clue what you're talking about! Right this minute I am in Tel Aviv as sirens are blasting. Hamas is sending rockets straight at Tel Aviv. Keep in mind that while they are firing rockets straight at the civilian population of Israel, the State of Israel is continuing to supply the Gaza strip with water, food, medicine, and electricity. They could cut those off in a second if they wanted to, but they don't. If Israel is going to bomb a terrorist's home in Gaza, they CALL them first to warn everyone to get out of the house. WTH does that? In the last 5 minutes I have watched 8 rockets intercepted by the Iron Dome. Thank God for technology!! Israel also sounds warnings and does not purposely aim for civilian targets. (civilians have been killed...but because Hamas uses them for shields) Hamas does not sound warnings AND they aim for civilian areas.
I posted on FB a few days ago that I feel so lucky to not have to hear a siren and locate a bomb shelter within 15 seconds. And as a mother, I can't imagine being apart from your children, hearing the siren, and wondering if your children found a bomb shelter.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 12, 2014 18:24:41 GMT
I'm sorry, but you don't have a f'ing clue what you're talking about! Right this minute I am in Tel Aviv as sirens are blasting. Hamas is sending rockets straight at Tel Aviv. Keep in mind that while they are firing rockets straight at the civilian population of Israel, the State of Israel is continuing to supply the Gaza strip with water, food, medicine, and electricity. They could cut those off in a second if they wanted to, but they don't. If Israel is going to bomb a terrorist's home in Gaza, they CALL them first to warn everyone to get out of the house. WTH does that? In the last 5 minutes I have watched 8 rockets intercepted by the Iron Dome. Thank God for technology!! I am so sorry that you are in the middle of this, it must be terrifying for you. Are you having any luck getting a more accurate view of what is going on? I am watching the news, but it is hard to determine what is *really* happening.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 12, 2014 18:26:59 GMT
I'm sorry, but you don't have a f'ing clue what you're talking about! Right this minute I am in Tel Aviv as sirens are blasting. Hamas is sending rockets straight at Tel Aviv. Keep in mind that while they are firing rockets straight at the civilian population of Israel, the State of Israel is continuing to supply the Gaza strip with water, food, medicine, and electricity. They could cut those off in a second if they wanted to, but they don't. If Israel is going to bomb a terrorist's home in Gaza, they CALL them first to warn everyone to get out of the house. WTH does that? In the last 5 minutes I have watched 8 rockets intercepted by the Iron Dome. Thank God for technology!! Excellent response. And might I add that it is a common practice for the Palestinians to keep ammunition dumps in and fire off their rockets from hospitals and schools, hiding behind innocent civilians.
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Post by fruitysuet on Jul 12, 2014 18:34:04 GMT
I fully admit to being politically/historically ignorant of the whole Israel/Palestinian situaion. I am further hindered by never knowing whether the information I read is biased/propaganda.
I just wanted to say that my thoughts are with the civilians on both sides. Imagine747 - it is impossible for me to understand how it is to live in such a a situation and I hope you and your family stay safe. And Neisey, thinking of you and your family too.
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conchita
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Post by conchita on Jul 12, 2014 18:45:16 GMT
Thanks for those links BeckyTech. It's not surprising that Hamas would come up with a way to weaponize social media.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 12, 2014 18:53:03 GMT
A representative from Hamas is being interviewed right now on local news channels and he just said 'the rocketing of Tel Aviv is a scientific test'
WTF???
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Post by I-95 on Jul 12, 2014 19:07:14 GMT
I live here approximately half the year. Normally we are at home on the Israeli/Lebanese border, but there is no Iron Dome up there and a splinter group from Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon so, despite the activity in Tel Aviv, it's actually less stressful here than up North right now. Yes, I can leave any time I like....but the way the tourists are abandoning the place, it might be hard to get a flight out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:08:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:09:15 GMT
A representative from Hamas is being interviewed right now on local news channels and he just said 'the rocketing of Tel Aviv is a scientific test' WTF??? Unreal. The sad thing is, plenty of people will believe what they're told.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 12, 2014 19:12:02 GMT
A representative from Hamas is being interviewed right now on local news channels and he just said 'the rocketing of Tel Aviv is a scientific test' WTF??? I follow a whole host of news sources on twitter and I think I am fairly well informed...but this is a bit of a stretch, no?? I hope that you feel comfortable enough to pass on information through your perspective. It is difficult at best to get news that doesn't have some kind of bias. I try to incorporate a number of different sources into what I learn, and would love to hear your first hand stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:23:20 GMT
But it is not that simple. We have a treaty/agreements to help the PA. They just last month decided to back Hamas. Change is not going to happen overnight especially with a treaty in place. It is a fine line that our government has walked for decades now.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 12, 2014 19:26:54 GMT
Ya think? In the last couple of days Hamas has threatened to blow up Ben Gurion Airport, to shoot down El Al planes, to wipe out Tel Aviv and a whole host of other doom and gloom threats. I'm not sure who they think they're kidding, but Ben Gurion has to be the most protected airport in the world. Every single El Al airplane is fitted with a missile repelling shield and Tel Aviv is protected by the Iron Dome. Mostly people here just go about their lives like nothing is happening. I spent the day at the beach today and when the sirens sounded, nobody got up to leave. Yesterday The sirens started and I went out into the street to take photographs of the rockets being intercepted (got some great shots too ) I'm not sure whether it's a fatalistic attitude, or whether we see things with a slightly sick sense of humor, or whether the only way to cope with the stress is to ignore it. Personally I find it more unnerving to listen to the helicopters constantly patrolling the coastline than when the sirens go off.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 12, 2014 19:27:49 GMT
I find the media very biased towards Israel. We actually studied this in our church quite a bit.... Our interim pastor is involved on a national level. Israel does not abide by agreements... It can take hours for Muslims to move through the city because of check points that apply only to them. Jews, Muslims and Christians all have religious and historical interests in Jerusalem, but most of the conflict seems to be economically based. The website blow has some very interesting facts: lid Americans knewIf the media is biased toward Israel, that's because Israel is a civilized Western nation that follows the rules. Not that they never do anything wrong, but they at least try to treat Palestinians fairly most of the time. Things are grim in the occupied territories, but for security reasons ... you can thank the Palestinians for that, too. The Palestinian leaders (note I am not saying every Palestinian) are dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the death of every Jew in Israel.
Israel has a right to defend itself and to ensure its own survival.
I believe your church and pastor are being misled.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:33:41 GMT
I-95...
I will be praying for you, your family, and friends' safety, and for this to end soon. Huge (((hugs))) to you my friend.
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Post by maryland on Jul 12, 2014 19:36:43 GMT
Completely off topic - Imagine747, my husband has been to Haifa many times for work. He says Israel is a beautiful country. He got our 16 yr. old a Hebrew University t-shirt and she wears it on "college day" at her school. (I think it's her favorite t-shirt, she always gets asked about it when she wears it). A couple of the employees at the company were born and raised in the US, but moved to Israel 20 yrs. ago because they fell in love with the country.
Stay safe! Thinking about you!
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 12, 2014 19:37:24 GMT
Ya think? In the last couple of days Hamas has threatened to blow up Ben Gurion Airport, to shoot down El Al planes, to wipe out Tel Aviv and a whole host of other doom and gloom threats. I'm not sure who they think they're kidding, but Ben Gurion has to be the most protected airport in the world. Every single El Al airplane is fitted with a missile repelling shield and Tel Aviv is protected by the Iron Dome. Mostly people here just go about their lives like nothing is happening. I spent the day at the beach today and when the sirens sounded, nobody got up to leave. Yesterday The sirens started and I went out into the street to take photographs of the rockets being intercepted (got some great shots too ) I'm not sure whether it's a fatalistic attitude, or whether we see things with a slightly sick sense of humor, or whether the only way to cope with the stress is to ignore it. Personally I find it more unnerving to listen to the helicopters constantly patrolling the coastline than when the sirens go off. We talk about how blessed our lives are that we don't live in an active war zone, and when I hear this, I feel even doubly blessed. I simply can't imagine having to live in environment that requires an "Iron Dome." Thank goodness for it though... Share any pictures you would like, I would love to see them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:37:27 GMT
My friend's husband's village in Gaza was bombed and her brothers-in-law were where the shelling happened. We are doing prayers that no one was hurt but t is not looking good.
I am not anti-Israel by any means but I am anti Zionists.
If you pray, please pray for the innocent people (Palestinians, Christians and Jews) caught in the battle.
I also would not support Hamas by any means!
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Post by lucyg on Jul 12, 2014 19:46:10 GMT
If you are anti-Zionist, you are anti-Israel, at least to some extent. Zionism is implicit in the existence of Israel.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 12, 2014 19:47:45 GMT
Awwww, thanks Jody. I really appreciate that. I hope it ends soon too. It's not just the conflict that's distressing, it's the incredible economic impact this has on the lives of so many people here.... I was blown away the other day when I came down to TA. The streets were empty of all but the locals going about their business. This is July, the height of the tourist season, and the city is deserted. Hotels are empty, tour buses sit idle, restaurants are struggling. People here have enough to deal with without having their businesses and paychecks threatened too.
I really think women should be in charge of these conflicts..... I mean, we are so much more sensible. We don't want our children killed, our houses bombed... we'd be like "Can we talk about this?" We'd make tea, sit down, admire each others shoes, talk about childbirth and who puts their carts back at the supermarket, then agree to an equitable land division and all go home to fix dinner.
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Post by I-95 on Jul 12, 2014 19:54:45 GMT
Would you mind explaining how this is possible? Without Zionism I don't think Israel would exist.
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