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Post by sillyrabbit on Jun 1, 2015 21:22:15 GMT
Exactly. I believe that a person's birth certificate can only be changed if he/she has had gender reassignment surgery though. It probably varies by state, but the criteria often states "clinically appropriate treatment" towards gender reassignment and is not specifically delineated as such. Good to know. I just read a book, and the person had the surgery and then got a new birth certificate. I assumed that meant you had to have GRS in order to get a new certificate. I should probably not base my knowledge of these things on Chris Bohjalian novels.
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Post by sunshinestate on Jun 1, 2015 21:29:11 GMT
In response to a friend's posting of this picture on FB, I wrote "she looks amazing." A friend of the friend wrote "Totally disgusting what some people will do to themselves to get attention!" Pissed me off, at first. Then I just had to laugh at the ignorance…I mean, really? Bruce Jenner, the Olympian/World's Greatest Athlete is doing all of this for attention?!! I really want to respond, but will just say it here to keep the FB peace.
I only wish she (Caitlyn) would've smiled more in those pictures!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 21:34:00 GMT
Exactly. I believe that a person's birth certificate can only be changed if he/she has had gender reassignment surgery though. Ok Caitlyn went to the DMV to get a new driver's license. Which is cool, but what about her birth certificate? How does that work?
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Post by sillyrabbit on Jun 1, 2015 21:39:55 GMT
It looks like in California, sex reassignment surgery isn't necessary to alter the birth certificate. So, Caitlyn may have already gotten a new birth certificate in order to get a new driver's license. It looks like several states don't require surgery to alter the birth certificate, several more do require surgery, and 5 states won't alter the birth certificate no matter what.
This is from Wikipedia so it may be sketchy info
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Post by Layce on Jun 1, 2015 21:46:15 GMT
Thanks for posting the video. You know, back on the Diane Sawyer interview I thought s/he sounded a little slurred, not normal, but now I guess that's just how s/he speaks (y'know, "shpeaksh"). Work on that. And my goodness!, some of those photo prepping shots, s/he needs a little more practice to actually sit like a lady! (Not just pose like one.) I do want to read the article. Gosh, I don't think I've purchased Vanity Fair since Suri was born In any case I agree with those of you who commented on how serene Caitlyn looks. Happy at last, that's what I was thinking. Layce
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Post by hop2 on Jun 1, 2015 21:51:18 GMT
So I knew a few 'acquaintances' from way back in the day who are 'devastated' by this. They were track n feild guys and Bruce Jenner was their idol. Hands down their favorite athlete back then.
Each time someone I know links or comments on one of their rants about this I can't help but think of that J giels band song. Lol. And then I think this is why I'm not me on FB, these are the types of asshats from my past who might find me. Blech Less people to un friend this way, only people who really know me know who I am on FB
Caitlyn looks beautiful in a classic angular way. I hope she's content and at peace.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 1, 2015 21:54:26 GMT
Never mind the transgender changes. I want to know how she got to look so much younger, cause I want that same work done.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 1, 2015 22:00:00 GMT
I just read on Perez Hilton that she has not had sexual reassignment surgery yet. I am not sure that really makes Bruce Caitlyn, does it? She may have breast implants, but she is still sporting a penis. She may pee sitting down and all, but if the plumbing is still male, does that make you a woman? I don't know. I think if you feel like a woman, and want to call yourself a woman, then you are a woman. That's the whole point of being transgender. It does not have to do with genitalia.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 1, 2015 22:00:24 GMT
It looks like in California, sex reassignment surgery isn't necessary to alter the birth certificate. So, Caitlyn may have already gotten a new birth certificate in order to get a new driver's license. It looks like several states don't require surgery to alter the birth certificate, several more do require surgery, and 5 states won't alter the birth certificate no matter what.
This is from Wikipedia so it may be sketchy info Gee that's somethjng one should know BEFORE having a child ( since you can't change place of birth ) and you might not know you 'need' to switch until many years after birth. Seems like something that might be better if it was nationally cohesive. But that will never happen.
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Post by *christine* on Jun 1, 2015 22:03:36 GMT
Can I ask a stupid question - has she had breast augmentation? It sort of looks like it from the picture, but I'm not a good photoshop spotter so I don't know what's "real" vs. enhanced (I realize that doesn't make any sense). I give her credit for waiting to be post -menopausal to transition to a woman. At least she doesn't have to have periods because there isn't a man in the world - Olympic decathlete or not, that could handle a period from hell.
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Post by mom on Jun 1, 2015 22:04:29 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Jun 1, 2015 22:06:50 GMT
Can I ask a stupid question - has she had breast augmentation? It sort of looks like it from the picture, but I'm not a good photoshop spotter so I don't know what's "real" vs. enhanced (I realize that doesn't make any sense). I give her credit for waiting to be post -menopausal to transition to a woman. At least she doesn't have to have periods because there isn't a man in the world - Olympic decathlete or not, that could handle a period from hell. I just read an article that said she had facial feminization surgery and breast implants before the Diane Sawyer interview came out.
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 1, 2015 22:25:10 GMT
I think there is a whole lot of photoshopping going on, as with any model on a cover of a magazine. Makeup, lighting, and the right post camera work can do wonders for taking years off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 22:25:51 GMT
ok, here's another twist from the comments section of one of my favorite sites. The person commenting was making the point that she got the cover because she's white. They made a reference to Laverne Cox, a working trans actress, who is on a hot show right now as not being given a piece of the spotlight due to the fact she's a person of color. My instinct is this is in service to the entire trans community, making a very public statement about being happy in your own skin, no matter what color it is. But I thought I'd throw it out there. She got the cover because she (was) Bruce Jenner. I've barely heard of Laverne Cox, and she certainly wouldn't sell the magazine covers a Kardashian/Jenner would. I just think that this is so photoshopped that it's silly. The head doesn't even fit on the neck right - like the head was shrunk down. I know ALL magazine covers are - so this isn't aimed at this specific issue or person. But this is such a 'significant' cover, and we all know that Kaitlyn/Bruce doesn't / didn't look anything like that in real life. I've never thought that Bruce Jenner's neck was too big for his body, so why suddenly is it as wide as her head? Maybe it's just a weird angle. I think it's a combination of the angle and that she most likely had some changes to her jaw/chin as part of the facial feminization surgery. In the video, her neck and head look like they do in the still, Photoshopped image. I think most of the PSing is evening out the skin tone and smoothing the skin, as well as enhancing the breasts and a nip and tuck here and there.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 1, 2015 22:26:52 GMT
I'll be honest, when I saw pics of him several months back (prior to that I had no clue who he was) I thought "wow, he's not going to make a very pretty woman". I know I'm a horrible, horrible person Anyhow, she looks far better than I ever expected. And by all means, if she's happy, I'm happy for her
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 22:33:38 GMT
I, too, think with enough photoshop, makeup, hair extensions, facelift and Annie Leibovitz I would be beautiful, too. But she is HAPPY and it's her life to live however she wants to live it. No one can take that away.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 2, 2015 0:23:42 GMT
I'll be honest, when I saw pics of him several months back (prior to that I had no clue who he was) I thought "wow, he's not going to make a very pretty woman". I know I'm a horrible, horrible person Anyhow, she looks far better than I ever expected. And by all means, if she's happy, I'm happy for her I'll admit to agreeing with this post. She definitely looks better than I would have expected after watching the DS interview. I'll also admit something else controversial. Before I do, let me be clear: I fully support Caitlyn & all trans persons living as the gender that fits them best. Caitlyn's face - any trans woman's face that I've ever seen, to be honest, still has something to it that I look at it and I can tell the person started as a male. And I don't think it's just familiarity with Caitlyn when she was Bruce; I noticed it right away with Laverne Cox. Same with all the individuals I know who've transitioned from female to male. There's something different in their faces. I can look at the face & I can tell, 'That's not the face you started life with and it's not quite the 'typical' face of a person of your gender. It may simply be that we'll never get to a point in the science & tech of plastic surgery where we can ever have it be completely unnoticeable; like even the best facelift still looks like *something* was done.
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 2, 2015 0:28:59 GMT
There are women - who have been a woman since birth - who have a very strong face that would not by "typical" of a woman. I can think of several I know personally, and the most famous one that comes to mind is Wendy Williams.
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Post by JBeans on Jun 2, 2015 0:37:16 GMT
Ahhh, Caitlyn, welcome to womanhood, where your looks are scrutinized and when it comes right down to it, insulted in a time of vulnerability.
She is stunning, and I'm glad she is at peace with herself and who she is. I also think every woman deserves to be glamorous. Good for her. I thought she looks reminiscent of Shannon Tweed.
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Post by cycworker on Jun 2, 2015 0:47:06 GMT
There are women - who have been a woman since birth - who have a very strong face that would not by "typical" of a woman. I can think of several I know personally, and the most famous one that comes to mind is Wendy Williams. In fairness, that's a good point. Again - I don't mean my comments in the way the troll earlier did; I don't think of her as still as guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 0:47:55 GMT
Ahhh, Caitlyn, welcome to womanhood, where your looks are scrutinized and when it comes right down to it, insulted in a time of vulnerability. She is stunning, and I'm glad she is at peace with herself and who she is. I also think every woman deserves to be glamorous. Good for her. I thought she looks reminiscent of Shannon Tweed. Didn't you just scrutinize her by comparing her look to someone else?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 0:49:35 GMT
I think she is very feminine looking. I never saw Bruce is a really manly guy even though he was an Olympic Gold Medalist. Call me crazy but I thought he had an effeminate look and now he is as feminine as we get.
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 2, 2015 0:51:17 GMT
She looks amazing, but, as others have said, so would I with a staff of stylists, a world-class photographer and photoshop. That's not what impresses me. What impresses me is the honesty and integrity with which she has made this transition, in the public eye, and attached to that idiot family of hers. She has shown a lot of class. I don't care if she's a pretty woman or not, what matters is the kind of person she is and while I obviously can't know that not knowing her personally, I can see the way she has publicly dealt with her transition and I'm impressed.
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Post by sacteach on Jun 2, 2015 0:57:48 GMT
When I first saw the picture on my phone (not the cover photo, but another one in the series) I thought it was Idina Menzel at first. I find it interesting the different people that she resembles (definitely see the Jessica Lange) resemblance.
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 2, 2015 1:14:15 GMT
I think she looks like Robin Christopher.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 2, 2015 1:22:13 GMT
There are women - who have been a woman since birth - who have a very strong face that would not by "typical" of a woman. I can think of several I know personally, and the most famous one that comes to mind is Wendy Williams. I know a lot of trans folks whom I would not know were trans had they not said so.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Jun 2, 2015 1:37:21 GMT
I think Caitlyn is beautiful and I also think I really need a corset. I agree that she resembles Jessica Lange, Gina Davis, Felicity Huffman....all of who are strong, feminine women in my eyes.
I do think it is interesting that we (myself included) look at how attractive she is as a woman, What is that about? Would she be any less deserving of our admiration if she wasn't so physically attractive? Why do we do that to other women? (And that's probably the ultimate sign that she is being accepted as a woman, )
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Post by JBeans on Jun 2, 2015 1:39:38 GMT
Ahhh, Caitlyn, welcome to womanhood, where your looks are scrutinized and when it comes right down to it, insulted in a time of vulnerability. She is stunning, and I'm glad she is at peace with herself and who she is. I also think every woman deserves to be glamorous. Good for her. I thought she looks reminiscent of Shannon Tweed. Didn't you just scrutinize her by comparing her look to someone else? How do you figure that? I'm sensing a tad bit of mental gymnastics.
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Post by tincin on Jun 2, 2015 1:42:10 GMT
I had no idea who Caitlyn Jenner was, I was determined not to open this thread because I have been avoiding all things Kardashian. I finally gave in when I it just kept going. Glad I did. Very interesting, I don't think she is beautiful but she looks better than I thought. Although we won't know for sure until we see her without so much photoshopping.
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