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Post by jumperhop on Jun 2, 2015 2:05:45 GMT
I think she does woman better than me!
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Post by thatgirlintexas on Jun 2, 2015 2:22:29 GMT
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happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Jun 2, 2015 2:53:38 GMT
It probably varies by state, but the criteria often states "clinically appropriate treatment" towards gender reassignment and is not specifically delineated as such. Good to know. I just read a book, and the person had the surgery and then got a new birth certificate. I assumed that meant you had to have GRS in order to get a new certificate. I should probably not base my knowledge of these things on Chris Bohjalian novels. You read Transister Radio, right? I read that years ago and it began, for me, a curiosity for this kind of thing. I think Caitlyn is beautiful! She looks a heck of a lot better than me, even if she is photoshopped. I thought she even looked great in the snippets of the video linked here. Go Caitlyn, enjoy your new life!
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Post by CarolT on Jun 2, 2015 3:54:05 GMT
She looks stunning - and at peace. I'm also glad she didn't choose Caitlyn with a K
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Post by YooHoot on Jun 2, 2015 4:14:09 GMT
Caitlyn seems like a young name. I would have liked to see something more mature. But..her choice! I'm bitter she has better legs than I do.
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Post by SallyPA on Jun 2, 2015 4:26:29 GMT
I think she looks great, and hope she's happy.
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Post by PEArfect on Jun 2, 2015 4:26:38 GMT
I was surprised to see the name Caitlyn spelled with a C instead of a K.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 2, 2015 4:47:50 GMT
Can I ask a stupid question - has she had breast augmentation? It sort of looks like it from the picture, but I'm not a good photoshop spotter so I don't know what's "real" vs. enhanced (I realize that doesn't make any sense). I give her credit for waiting to be post -menopausal to transition to a woman. At least she doesn't have to have periods because there isn't a man in the world - Olympic decathlete or not, that could handle a period from hell. I went to a bar that had several transgender performers... After the show, one of the performers stripped of her(his?) shirt and strutted around topless..... It was a bit disconcerting.... She was beautiful as a woman, but was acting and talking more like a man.... Anyway , her breasts looked very real!!
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 2, 2015 11:56:16 GMT
I only know one person who is transgender. He has had surgery and is married with kids now. She babysat my kids when she was a teenage. He looks just like his dad now, and if you didn't know any of his past history - it would be impossible to tell. He is very happy now. I am happy that the whole process is more acceptable and less shocking that it was just a few years ago.
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Post by DinCA on Jun 2, 2015 13:02:39 GMT
I saw side by side photos of her and Cindy Crawford on television last night and the resemblance is uncanny. I do think she looks like Jessica Lange, too. I hope Caitlyn is happy. And as for her name, I bet she chose this name when she was much younger. It's likely this has been her name for a very long time. I do appreciate that she chose to spell it with a "C" instead of a "K", however.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Jun 2, 2015 13:13:44 GMT
Good to know. I just read a book, and the person had the surgery and then got a new birth certificate. I assumed that meant you had to have GRS in order to get a new certificate. I should probably not base my knowledge of these things on Chris Bohjalian novels. You read Transister Radio, right? I read that years ago and it began, for me, a curiosity for this kind of thing. I think Caitlyn is beautiful! She looks a heck of a lot better than me, even if she is photoshopped. I thought she even looked great in the snippets of the video linked here. Go Caitlyn, enjoy your new life! I did! It really did kinda help me to understand what was going on inside the mind of a transgendered person. The ending was ridiculous I thought though.
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Post by grinningcat on Jun 2, 2015 13:47:53 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age?
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Post by happymomma on Jun 2, 2015 14:24:49 GMT
You read Transister Radio, right? I read that years ago and it began, for me, a curiosity for this kind of thing. I think Caitlyn is beautiful! She looks a heck of a lot better than me, even if she is photoshopped. I thought she even looked great in the snippets of the video linked here. Go Caitlyn, enjoy your new life! I did! It really did kinda help me to understand what was going on inside the mind of a transgendered person. The ending was ridiculous I thought though. It has been sooo long. I don't remember the ending. I just remember it being a great read.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Jun 2, 2015 16:00:33 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age? I didn't make the comment but I think Caitlyn was a popular name to give girls in the 70s-80s so the name hit it's peak in that era. All the Caitlyn's I know are late 30s currently. I think the idea is that Caitlyn could have chosen a name popular around her birthdate. (Nancy, Margaret, Kathleen, Elizabeth...IDK) as the name ages with that generation.
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Post by grinningcat on Jun 2, 2015 16:18:30 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age? I didn't make the comment but I think Caitlyn was a popular name to give girls in the 70s-80s so the name hit it's peak in that era. All the Caitlyn's I know are late 30s currently. I think the idea is that Caitlyn could have chosen a name popular around her birthdate. (Nancy, Margaret, Kathleen, Elizabeth...IDK) as the name ages with that generation. I think that confused me even more! LOL Is something like that really important? I'm just not getting it.
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Post by MerryMom on Jun 2, 2015 17:58:41 GMT
Sorry, but it is clear that the photograph is SSOOOOO airbrushed.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 2, 2015 18:21:07 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age? I didn't make the comment but I think Caitlyn was a popular name to give girls in the 70s-80s so the name hit it's peak in that era. All the Caitlyn's I know are late 30s currently. I think the idea is that Caitlyn could have chosen a name popular around her birthdate. (Nancy, Margaret, Kathleen, Elizabeth...IDK) as the name ages with that generation. When I read this thread the day it was started I thought Caitlyn was another Kardashin daughter so I didn't open it. That was before the pictures hit the news feed. To me Caitlyn is the name of someone in their 20's - 30's, not a 60 yr old, yet. Names age as the generation wearing them also ages
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Post by tarheelgurl on Jun 2, 2015 18:52:16 GMT
He can do whatever he wants to change his outward appearance but he is still the same on the inside and he's still a man. He was born a man and his DNA will prove he is a man. I think he's living a bigger lie now because he is NOT a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 18:54:00 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age? Most named "belong" to a generation. As that generation ages so does the perception of the name. The name Caitlyn peaked in 1998. It hit the popularity charts in the late 1980s. As these 20-30 year olds age the name will age with them. Just like if you hear the names Linda, Debbie, Susan the expectation is to met someone in their 50-60s and not a 10 year old. Jennifer and Heather are now in their late 30 to mid 40s just due to the time frame of the name's popularity. I'm sure there are people with names outside of their peak popularity but they do tend to be unusual. I don't know... to me it is as if his female identity is expected to somehow erase 30-40 years of age by taking on a younger name. For a life long gender identity issue I would have expected him to have selected a female name 50 years ago and that selection would have been in keeping with his chronological age as to what was a popular-ish girls name at that time. In fact the early reports was his name would change to Belinda.. which does belong to the 60-65 year old name popularity and would age her appropriately. Caitlyn sounds like a young Kardashian (at least he had the good sense to avoid using the K spelling!)
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Post by yivit on Jun 2, 2015 19:00:49 GMT
Caitlyn (and the original spelling Caitlin) are old Irish/Gaelic names. My daughter is Caitlin, and I have a friend from college who had her daughter Caitlin back in the early 80s. Neither of us chose the name because of any popularity - we're old SCA geeks and like old names.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 19:03:39 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age? Most named "belong" to a generation. As that generation ages so does the perception of the name. The name Caitlyn peaked in 1998. It hit the popularity charts in the late 1980s. As these 20-30 year olds age the name will age with them. Just like if you hear the names Linda, Debbie, Susan the expectation is to met someone in their 50-60s and not a 10 year old. Jennifer and Heather are now in their late 30 to mid 40s just due to the time frame of the name's popularity. I'm sure there are people with names outside of their peak popularity but they do tend to be unusual. I don't know... to me it is as if his female identity is expected to somehow erase 30-40 years of age by taking on a younger name. For a life long gender identity issue I would have expected him to have selected a female name 50 years ago and that selection would have been in keeping with his chronological age as to what was a popular-ish girls name at that time. In fact the early reports was his name would change to Belinda.. which does belong to the 60-65 year old name popularity and would age her appropriately. Caitlyn sounds like a young Kardashian (at least he had the good sense to avoid using the K spelling!) I suspect he chose the name quite some time ago, the first time he started hormones to transition, before meeting Kris. That would be right around when the name Caitlin/Caitlyn was most popular.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 19:06:37 GMT
He can do whatever he wants to change his outward appearance but he is still the same on the inside and he's still a man. He was born a man and his DNA will prove he is a man. I think he's living a bigger lie now because he is NOT a woman. You can think whatever you like, but she identifies as a woman, is not lying about anything, and has chosen to live her life from now on as a woman. Also, she most certainly knows who she is on the inside better than you do. Gender is not just about genes.
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Post by grinningcat on Jun 2, 2015 19:09:05 GMT
I'm not understanding the comments about her chosen name being "too young". What does that mean? How is a name "too young"? Are people with overly young names expected to change their name when they pass an arbitrary age? Most named "belong" to a generation. As that generation ages so does the perception of the name. The name Caitlyn peaked in 1998. It hit the popularity charts in the late 1980s. As these 20-30 year olds age the name will age with them. Just like if you hear the names Linda, Debbie, Susan the expectation is to met someone in their 50-60s and not a 10 year old. Jennifer and Heather are now in their late 30 to mid 40s just due to the time frame of the name's popularity. I'm sure there are people with names outside of their peak popularity but they do tend to be unusual. I don't know... to me it is as if his female identity is expected to somehow erase 30-40 years of age by taking on a younger name. For a life long gender identity issue I would have expected him to have selected a female name 50 years ago and that selection would have been in keeping with his chronological age as to what was a popular-ish girls name at that time. In fact the early reports was his name would change to Belinda.. which does belong to the 60-65 year old name popularity and would age her appropriately. Caitlyn sounds like a young Kardashian (at least he had the good sense to avoid using the K spelling!) Honestly? I don't get how choosing a name allegedly from a younger generation is shaving time off her age. She has the power to choose her own name... something that resonates with her. Don't we all have favourite names? Trust me, I'm stuck with a popular name for my generation so I know what it's like to have a "generational" name. If I changed my name, I doubt I'd stay within that generation... it would never occur to me that I'd have to do so... or be expected to do so. I did a quick search of the etymology of the name, it's not a new name and has some gaelic roots (though it's also a derivation of some other names including Catherine/Catharine). I don't really consider it a young name. I think it's a pretty name... and I agree with you. Thank goodness he didn't do that stupid K name to go with the rest of the family.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 2, 2015 19:10:11 GMT
He can do whatever he wants to change his outward appearance but he is still the same on the inside and he's still a man. He was born a man and his DNA will prove he is a man. I think he's living a bigger lie now because he is NOT a woman. Yeah, fuck what California law says - if some anonymous internet persona from NC says that Jenner is a man, it must be so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 19:15:37 GMT
He can do whatever he wants to change his outward appearance but he is still the same on the inside and he's still a man. He was born a man and his DNA will prove he is a man. I think he's living a bigger lie now because he is NOT a woman. I just typed out a long response then deleted it. You're not worth the time or the effort, you're so entrenched in your narrow minded little word nothing anyone says will change that.
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Post by tarheelgurl on Jun 2, 2015 19:44:39 GMT
He can do whatever he wants to change his outward appearance but he is still the same on the inside and he's still a man. He was born a man and his DNA will prove he is a man. I think he's living a bigger lie now because he is NOT a woman. I just typed out a long response then deleted it. You're not worth the time or the effort, you're so entrenched in your narrow minded little word nothing anyone says will change that. I've read all these posts about how good he looks and how happy most people are for him and I'm not attacking anyone. I just stated my opinion which you obviously can't handle because it's different than yours. And you are right, nothing you can say will change my mind because I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong and I know what the Bible teaches. I form my opinions on that basis. If you perceive that as being narrow minded that's fine. God made him a man and he'll always be a man. If he wants to deceive himself that's not my problem.
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Post by grinningcat on Jun 2, 2015 20:02:53 GMT
I just typed out a long response then deleted it. You're not worth the time or the effort, you're so entrenched in your narrow minded little word nothing anyone says will change that. I've read all these posts about how good he looks and how happy most people are for him and I'm not attacking anyone. I just stated my opinion which you obviously can't handle because it's different than yours. And you are right, nothing you can say will change my mind because I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong and I know what the Bible teaches. I form my opinions on that basis. If you perceive that as being narrow minded that's fine. God made him a man and he'll always be a man. If he wants to deceive himself that's not my problem. I just don't see how you can follow Christian values and be so unsupportive of someone else. I hope no one in your life comes to you in any kind of identity crisis because it doesn't seem like you have what it takes to be supportive and loving.
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Post by kandie on Jun 2, 2015 20:19:40 GMT
well this atheist, non christian, non bible follower, non god believer 100% supports Caitlyn and I am very happy for her!!! She hopefully will be of some help to other transgender people, although there will always be intolerant non supportive people. If Caitlyn changes just one persons mind then she did a great service.
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Post by tarheelgurl on Jun 2, 2015 20:24:48 GMT
I've read all these posts about how good he looks and how happy most people are for him and I'm not attacking anyone. I just stated my opinion which you obviously can't handle because it's different than yours. And you are right, nothing you can say will change my mind because I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong and I know what the Bible teaches. I form my opinions on that basis. If you perceive that as being narrow minded that's fine. God made him a man and he'll always be a man. If he wants to deceive himself that's not my problem. I just don't see how you can follow Christian values and be so unsupportive of someone else. I hope no one in your life comes to you in any kind of identity crisis because it doesn't seem like you have what it takes to be supportive and loving. You don't know me so don't make conclusions on what I would and would not do. In this case, I refuse to be his cheerleader. That would mean I'd be condoning it. All the makeup, surgery and corsets won't make him a woman. I'll stick by my Christian values thank you. I can love someone and still not agree with that they do.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 2, 2015 20:36:48 GMT
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Gandhi
Debbie in MD.
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