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Post by caro on Jun 4, 2015 2:47:44 GMT
The reason Michelle looks to Jim Bob is because this is what she has been taught by the Gothard Institute. The man is the head of the household and women are subservient to their husbands.
This all came from Bill Gothard, a now disgraced leader who was charged with 34 sexual harassments and 4 sexual assaults. He never married and said he never kissed a girl. He is 80 years old. The Duggars follow him.
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Post by linda~lou on Jun 4, 2015 2:51:29 GMT
Well that's a wasted hour of my life I'll never get back. And I have the interview with the girls to record in my queue. So that'll be two.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Jun 4, 2015 2:55:44 GMT
jim Bob is such an ass. "Parents aren't mandated reporters". While technically true, it's a douchey reason to let one of your kids molest the others. Douchebaggery. Is he stunned? I would be really interested to know how he would score on an IQ test.
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Post by bostonmama on Jun 4, 2015 2:57:10 GMT
I'm kinda of the opinion that forcing their kids to live their lives in the eyes of the public is victimizing. They literally can do NOTHING wrong without public opinion and backlash. I'm happy this is finally out, if nothing more than to hopefully plant the seed that it's just not normal behavior (what they're deeming as such). If you're going to live a lie, don't do it on national television.
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Post by finaledition on Jun 4, 2015 2:57:38 GMT
Could someone tell me the time and channel?
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Post by alittleintrepid on Jun 4, 2015 2:59:49 GMT
So, correct me if I misheard the interview, I thought the parents said everyone received professional counseling. Why wasn't the abuse reported? Because the "professional" counselling wouldn't be considered professional by most people. My guess is that it was offered through Bill Gothard's ministry. Read up thread if you want to know how outraged Bill Gothard would have been about sexual abuse allegations and mandatory reporting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 3:02:04 GMT
I was screaming at the TV for much of this... (1) I can't believe that the daughters never knew he had done something to them - I think they were too afraid/scared to tell on him, probably because they knew they would be blamed. (2) Michelle's fake (non) tears made me want to throw up. (3) They kept saying "bad choices"...it wasn't a bad choice, it was criminal actions. That's like saying robbing a bank was a bad choice. (4) Umm...the other girl he did this to was a BABYSITTER? And she didn't notice or say anything? So much for babysitters only being female. (5) I truly believe they went to that specific AR trooper station because the trooper there was a friend of the family and they wanted to "scare" Josh, not to tell the authorities what he did and have him punished in any way for it. Too many mandatory reporters didn't report it and just sat on the information rather than doing any investigating beyond "interviewing" the girls who had already been coached that they didn't notice and were only told when he confessed to the parents.
As far as the "outing" of this report, I think the difference is that he was never charged, it never went to trial and the records were never seen or sealed by a judge. I think JimBob didn't realize that by #5 (not going before a judge), that it was never sealed. He intimidated that the Chief of Police outed him on purpose since she was retiring soon. But the Attorney (I think CITY) also allowed it to be released. I am not sure the Duggar's will have a case.
I am a pretty staunch conservative right-wing Christian and this totally makes me ill. They do NOT represent a good part of what I believe and honestly it is very shameful. I've seen little bits and pieces of the show, but being raised in a large family (as the youngest of 6), I don't agree with much of their parenting style. I don't agree with most "reality" TV and I think that crying about someone else's "agenda" is laughable when you yourself are pushing yours through this show.
UGH......Still feel like yelling at the TV!
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 4, 2015 3:02:37 GMT
Re: the creepy look at the husband thing
Y'all...I just want to put this out there, and call me crazy and stupid and wrong...but one thing I noticed? And maybe this is me interpreting something that wasn't there based on my personal experience in being in a marriage that was ruled by a dominating (read: emotionally abusive and controlling) husband...
But what I saw was a mother who *did* care about the daughters. I think she was looking to her husband not in creepy adoration, but in a "is this okay if I say this" kind of way. I think that she really did worry about the safety of the girls and protected them in a way that was allowed.
Don't misunderstand me, I think as parents they failed in SO many ways. But I think this thing was steered 100% by dad, and I don't totally believe that mom had a whole lot of say in how it went down. I agree that she thinks that their family are victims of the media, and I completely agree that she is wrong on that...but I got the feeling that she wanted to do more for her girls.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 4, 2015 3:09:54 GMT
no, unfortunately for the girls someone decided to release those sealed records. AND people everywhere have made up things that happened that evidently didn't happen... spreading gossip all over the media.
of course, those parents could have just dropped Josh off (at age 14) at the police station and said 'tuff bunny rabbits bud!' Sounds like that's what so many of you here would recommend - and do with your own kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 3:12:00 GMT
Did your children receive counseling from a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist? For how long? No counseling necessary because they prayed.
My cousin and his wife from MI have been visiting...so glad I missed the interview. It sounds like I would've been sick.
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Post by elaine on Jun 4, 2015 3:13:14 GMT
"Lesbian Agenda" as uttered by Michelle Duggar = best Freudian slip ever.
Saturday Night Live worthy.
State Trooper - mandated reporter
Professional Counselor - mandated reporter
Clergy - mandated reporter
You know live in a pathetic town and have a sick social circle when, after you have supposedly been in contact with the above three about your children's sexual abuse, it takes Oprah Winfrey to file a report with the Child Abuse Hotline in order to protect your daughters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 3:20:52 GMT
no, unfortunately for the girls someone decided to release those sealed records. AND people everywhere have made up things that happened that evidently didn't happen... spreading gossip all over the media. of course, those parents could have just dropped Josh off (at age 14) at the police station and said 'tuff bunny rabbits bud!' Sounds like that's what so many of you here would recommend - and do with your own kid.
No, but I do have a 15 year old boy. I would have done a whole heck of a lot more after the 1st "confession" and definitely more throughout the whole process. I believe in forgiveness, but I also believe that there are consequences and that more help might be needed than just talking to the pastor and family friends, especially after multiple confessions over a long span of time. This wasn't just a single "bad choice" -- too bad they didn't realize he was crying out for more help rather than less. And that it wasn't helpful to any of the children to then go on to do a reality show and to place yourself and your family squarely in the public eye and expect that this was over/gone/forgotten.
I've also been the victim of a sexual crime. I wasn't a minor, but close. This is 100% on Josh....and his parents. (Many of us have said that the Ferguson killing by the policeman was all on the young man who died committing a crime of stealing cigarettes. That he placed himself in that situation. Were the consequences harder than he ever expected? Yes, he didn't deserve to die, but he brought it on himself. To me, this is not much different.) The person COMMITTING the crime is the one who started this chain of events, not the victims, not the FOIA request, not the tabloids. If Josh hadn't done this, there would be no story, no victims, etc. I wish someone would focus this back on that fact.
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Post by jamielynn on Jun 4, 2015 3:34:43 GMT
I'm very disappointed in Megan Kelly - she's really letting them off the hook. I noticed that Michelle cried but no tears came out - I just can't with her. One crime that hasn't been discussed yet - Michelle's hair. This is my feeling exactly.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Jun 4, 2015 3:35:00 GMT
of course, those parents could have just dropped Josh off (at age 14) at the police station and said 'tuff bunny rabbits bud!' Sounds like that's what so many of you here would recommend - and do with your own kid. Where did you get that idea?
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Post by jumperhop on Jun 4, 2015 3:37:36 GMT
“They’ve been victimized more by what’s happened in these past few weeks than they were 12 years ago,” Michelle said, citing the fact that most of Josh’s actions occurred when the girls were asleep and they never fully understood what was happening.
I didn't realize how easy it was to get over being sexually abused. I don't know if I have magic powers but when someone touches me when I am sleeping I wake up, and usually in a frantic, and if someone was touching my private parts when I was a kid while I was sleeping I would be aware.
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Post by jumperhop on Jun 4, 2015 3:40:07 GMT
I don't think Kelly had a choice how she was going to interview them. I bet the attorneys were involved and the Duggards made the rules.
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Post by jamielynn on Jun 4, 2015 3:43:13 GMT
Did anyone see Michelle's eyes bug at the question about TLC dropping the show, how Jim Bob brushed off the question, and his Megyn didn't ask the question again?
I am interested to hear the girls interview on Friday. I feel terribly for them, as well as the victims not speaking out at this time.
I too have to wonder if they have been advised to do this to get the limelight off Josh and Anna? I don't blame them a bit for not interviewing, but have to wonder if they worry what Jinger would say .. She seems to be the most likely to break out of their lifestyle ..
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Post by Skypea on Jun 4, 2015 3:43:33 GMT
The reason Michelle looks to Jim Bob is because this is what she has been taught by the Gothard Institute. The man is the head of the household and women are subservient to their husbands.
This all came from Bill Gothard, a now disgraced leader who was charged with 34 sexual harassments and 4 sexual assaults. He never married and said he never kissed a girl. He is 80 years old. The Duggars follow him. Is that particular to this Gothard guy's ministry? It's pretty similar to what the Bible says. The Bible doesn't say that the woman is subservient to the dh tho. It does say to submit one to another. wife to dh and dh to dw.
that's how just 1 little twist (or word change) and make it an untrue.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 4, 2015 3:49:56 GMT
Is this about the Duggara? Whew, thanks for the clue!!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 4, 2015 4:04:04 GMT
I never heard of Megan Kelly before this week, but she did not behave at all as people had predicted here. She really seemed to be pushing the "How did you feel when...?" theme, even supplying the couple with possible answers ("Terrified?" "Probably horrified...right?"). I saw no evidence of a hard-hitting interviewer who doesn't let people dodge questions. It was emotion-driven instead of fact-driven.
I recoiled when the husband spoke of the sheriff. It's neither unexpected nor specific for someone to say "I have a few things I want to get done before I retire." For JimBobTom to announce that as proof that the sheriff conspired to ruin them - with the interviewer nodding and finishing his sentence - was a real turn off. And irresponsible, to boot.
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 4, 2015 4:25:49 GMT
This idea that the victims are further victimized by people knowing bothers me. Why? They have nothing to be ashamed of. We don't keep the identity of theft victims secret to protect them. The belief that we need to shield victims of sex crimes from people knowing adds to the idea that there is something shameful in being victimized in this way and that's wrong. I don't feel like it's supportive or helpful. I think your view is idealistic. Have you not seen how poor Joshie's life has been turned upside down by this circus? Many people are painting him as the victim and there has been lots of suggestion that the Gothardist movement (or whatever they call themselves) holds women responsible for being a temptation. On one of the other threads there was some BS about babies in diapers... I don't think I'm being idealistic. I am well aware that large segments of the population will blame the girls, not just in this case but in lots of cases involving sex crimes. I just think the idea that people knowing is further victimizing the victims ADDS to that societal perception. I know no one here is trying to say that, I'm just saying that I think that the rape culture is multi factorial and this common opinion that we need to shield the victims from people knowing adds to the unconscious bias that they somehow having something to feel guilty about.
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 4, 2015 4:29:11 GMT
This idea that the victims are further victimized by people knowing bothers me. Why? They have nothing to be ashamed of. We don't keep the identity of theft victims secret to protect them. The belief that we need to shield victims of sex crimes from people knowing adds to the idea that there is something shameful in being victimized in this way and that's wrong. I don't feel like it's supportive or helpful. Well, as a victim of repeated sexual abuse when I was a teen, I'd have to disagree with you. While I might have nothing to be ashamed of, I don't want the world to know about my personal past. It is my story to tell, if or when I decide to. Sex crimes affect victims very differently than theft or other crimes do. If Josh's crime had been to steal something from a store a couple times when he was a young teen, it wouldn't be the news that this is. Sex crimes leave very private and personal scars, and I should be able to decide who I want to share that with. I can totally respect that, and I'm sorry for what you went through. Certainly your opinion on the topic is more relevant than mine and I can understand what you are saying.
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Post by joylynaroundthebnd on Jun 4, 2015 4:33:37 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation?
I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 4:35:40 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? Because normal people care and get upset when they hear about cases of children being sexually abused.
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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 4, 2015 4:40:17 GMT
Question : if Josh had been arrested at the time this all took place, would he have had to register as a sex offender?
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Post by grammanisi on Jun 4, 2015 4:53:48 GMT
I was really disappointed in how Megyn handled this.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 4, 2015 4:53:52 GMT
Question : if Josh had been arrested at the time this all took place, would he have had to register as a sex offender? I think he would not because of his age.
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Post by jumperhop on Jun 4, 2015 4:55:14 GMT
Question : if Josh had been arrested at the time this all took place, would he have had to register as a sex offender? I believe it's up to the state. Jen
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Post by lumo on Jun 4, 2015 5:40:28 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? 1) Their son committed a CRIME. He got a "stern talking-to" and continued to live on the same house with some of his victims. He now has children of his own who may well be victims. So yeah, it matters. 2) I fully admit I'm judging. I never said otherwise. He deserves every bit of judgement foisted upon him, as do his parents, IMO. When you put your life out there for all to see, you better expect the judgements that will come.
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Post by ametallichick on Jun 4, 2015 5:47:11 GMT
This idea that the victims are further victimized by people knowing bothers me. Why? They have nothing to be ashamed of. We don't keep the identity of theft victims secret to protect them. The belief that we need to shield victims of sex crimes from people knowing adds to the idea that there is something shameful in being victimized in this way and that's wrong. I don't feel like it's supportive or helpful. Well, as a victim of repeated sexual abuse when I was a teen, I'd have to disagree with you. While I might have nothing to be ashamed of, I don't want the world to know about my personal past. It is my story to tell, if or when I decide to. Sex crimes affect victims very differently than theft or other crimes do. If Josh's crime had been to steal something from a store a couple times when he was a young teen, it wouldn't be the news that this is. Sex crimes leave very private and personal scars, and I should be able to decide who I want to share that with. I am also a SA survivor and I agree with you 100%.
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