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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 4, 2015 8:29:39 GMT
They are just disgusting. JB & Michelle both.
What kind of mother tries to spin her daughters being molested?!
Fucking lime-light seeking, money grubbing pig.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 4, 2015 8:37:49 GMT
I hear about protecting the girls, but what about the young boys. I would worry about whether he could have hurt them too. I would be protecting all the children, girls and boys. Oh, no, don't worry about the boys. Josh is a "good Duggar Christian" so he'd never want to diddle with a boy. That's homosexuality, disgusting, and that's a sin. It's much more preferable to diddle his little sisters. And again I have to think & say it, Those poor girls. They never had a chance in that sham of a family.
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Post by CeeScraps on Jun 4, 2015 9:57:31 GMT
I didn't watch, but reading the above comments....ugh......
I hope TLC yanks the show. I thought it was, then it sounded like they changed their minds.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jun 4, 2015 10:56:56 GMT
The only reason why the Duggars did this interview was to save their show. It's all about the money. If not, they would not have said that their daughters were not even aware they were abused (how insulting). They would have done much better to remain silent. The girls continue to be denied as victims of sexual abuse by the very people who should have protected them.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn some day that it was one of the daughters who wrote the Oprah show all those years ago.
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 4, 2015 12:29:56 GMT
no, unfortunately for the girls someone decided to release those sealed records. AND people everywhere have made up things that happened that evidently didn't happen... spreading gossip all over the media. What specifically have you heard that has been "made up". Everything *I* have heard has matched *exactly* what the police report via the Duggar's has said.
Oh, wait, I did hear some made up stuff. That the Duggar's voluntarily went and gave statements. They did not. A complaint from outside the family was made and an investigation was started and then they were interviewed by the police. But wait, it is ok for Duggar apologists to make things up, I am sure.
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Post by caro on Jun 4, 2015 12:32:08 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? Because they put their family on reality TV for all the world to see, and having this secret in the past. If you put your family in the limelight as they did, then people will judge. And if you say do as I say...... Not as I do.
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 4, 2015 12:33:35 GMT
When are they going to take responsibility for what has happened, it was their decision to cover up the molestation, it was their decision to get their own TV show...they are the ones who thrust this family into the spotlight, they are the ones who whored their children out for money and fame and now that their fame has turned on them they want to blame everyone else? Nope. You did this, the good and the bad it's all on you.
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 4, 2015 12:37:42 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? Because they hold themselves up as some kind of moral compass but when their son breaks the law, they cover it up. That is not moral. When you hold yourself up as something, publically, on TV but don't behave in that same manner, it IS going to matter to those you have judged so harshly for many years. It is obnoxious, hypocritical and smug. I find it odd people can't see that.
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Post by raindancer on Jun 4, 2015 12:40:26 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? You don't care how we handle pedophiles in this country? You don't care that we have a known pedophile living with young girls of his own? I don't care if this was a Duggar, a different "celebrity" or someone I've never heard of. That is just f'd up. I spent three years of my life raising children who were victims of sexual abuse. You don't "get over it" with a couple of prayers and some mumbled bullshit "apologies", and you should not expect that someone who finds that acceptable is remotely safe to be around children. Josh should be in jail and a registered sex offender. His parents should be in jail for being complicit and those children should be placed in a safe home. ALL of them. This is sexual abuse and it should not be fucking tolerated.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 4, 2015 12:48:07 GMT
I'm sorry I even wasted my time on this. Seriously, when they said, he confessed to two, then they did nothing and then he did it three more times, twice while the girls were awake, I wanted to throw my shoe at the TV. Then counseling? Really? Where, with whom? What made them even think to bring him home and back to live with them? I can totally understand not giving up on your kid. I wouldn't give up on him either, but I sure as hell would not have kept him in my home after the first confession, but instead they gave him the chance to do it three more times.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 4, 2015 13:02:41 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? When children are molested, it matters. When those children are forced to stay in the same home as their molester, it matters.
It matters to me because I'm not a cold-hearted bitch. And you're damned right I judge.
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Post by kelbel827 on Jun 4, 2015 13:11:38 GMT
Damn, I forgot it was on. Where can I see it online?
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Post by metaldancer on Jun 4, 2015 13:37:46 GMT
I watched for about 20 minutes and that's all I could stand. Listening to them trying to explain away a crime that their son committed against his own sisters. Then letting him BACK in the house to live with them again. IMO, it's "Christians" like this that give Christianity a bad name. Blaming a Lesbian agenda?? Really?? Did some marauding lesbian horde get hold of Josh and brainwash him into molesting his sisters?? I also feel like Michelle, deep down under all of that adoring husband worship she projects, wanted to kick Jim Bob and Josh in the nuts and protect her daughters. She's certainly entitled to her belief system, but not at the expense of her children.
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Post by grammanisi on Jun 4, 2015 13:58:52 GMT
What does "Lesbian agenda" even mean?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 14:14:35 GMT
That's the first and last time I will ever watch Megan Kelly or however you spell her name. I had a LOOOONNNNGG talk with my daughter about these assholes. The main thing the Duggars taught me was a girl isn't a victim and they don't need professional help if they don't know it's wrong.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 4, 2015 14:16:24 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? Who said we aren't judging? I'm judging.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 4, 2015 14:25:00 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? Because normal people care and get upset when they hear about cases of children being sexually abused. Especially children in families who are, simultaneously to the abuse, putting their family on national tv under the guise of strong family values and conservatism - specifically including sexual purity.
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Post by tomocus on Jun 4, 2015 14:28:37 GMT
I hear about protecting the girls, but what about the young boys. I would worry about whether he could have hurt them too. I would be protecting all the children, girls and boys. Oh, no, don't worry about the boys. Josh is a "good Duggar Christian" so he'd never want to diddle with a boy. That's homosexuality, disgusting, and that's a sin. It's much more preferable to diddle his little sisters. And again I have to think & say it, Those poor girls. They never had a chance in that sham of a family. Having been Sexually abused, I have to say three things: 1. How DISGUSTING for you to reduce this to "diddle". This remark is sooooooooooo disgusting and infuriating. It makes it like a huge joke!! I really feel like I could just vomit after reading your joke. 2. I am now 67 years old. It never goes away. 3. Whether you have been sexually abused or not, do not speak for ALL abused victims and what they want or do not want. It is different for each one. I would never think to say what you feel on the subject even though I WAS sexually abused. For me, and I truly mean "ME ALONE". I would have loved for everyone to know what that wonderful, beloved, perfect, man was doing to me. That pillar of the community that everyone loved. The same man that said if I told, everyone would be mad at me because they all loved him and would believe him when he told them I was lying. Even though I knew he was doing it to his own daughters and other young girls, I was too afraid to tell. When you are a child and under control of adults, you often times have no choice but to go along with what they tell you happened. No one has the right to say that "because I want it known all victims want it known". No one has the right to say "because I don't want it known, no victim wants it known".
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Post by marg on Jun 4, 2015 14:35:09 GMT
I'm judging, for sure. Life is about making judgement calls.
I do not understand why someone would sign up for a reality tv show if they have skeletons in their closet. Boggles my mind.
My son is 15. I talked to him about the Duggars and asked him what he thought about a 14 or 15 year old boy touching his sisters'or babysitter's breasts or genitals (over or under their clothes) and he cringed and said "gross, enough, enough!!" and covered his ears. Right there that tells me this is not simple curiousity about sex or "a bad choice" or however the Duggars want to spin it. My son's reaction was so immediate and so visceral, I had my answer right there (not that I needed it or doubted it, but still).
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 4, 2015 14:35:37 GMT
I didn't watch all of it. Can someone please explain how/why they think the release of the repot was illegal? Do they have an explanation for why the Freedom of Information Act wouldn't apply to this report? Because he was underage..HOWEVER...he was not arrested. This is the way I understand it, as well.
Except for the fact that it's a sexual crime. Aren't all records containing victim information sealed? Or is that just journalistic respect/policy that they don't release the names?
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 4, 2015 14:39:07 GMT
Why is judging someone who has committed a crime such a horrible thing?
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Post by papersilly on Jun 4, 2015 14:40:50 GMT
I just saw a snippet on GMA and I can't believe Michelle said the girls are victimized more by the reports being released today than being molested 12 years ago. She seemed more angry about that than about the molestation. I can't believe how much they minimized his actions. Those victims are destined to suffer in silence.
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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 4, 2015 14:42:49 GMT
Why does it matter to anyone how they did or did not handle this is situation? I do not understand is how what is happening on this thread is not judging but the Duggar's speaking out about their beliefs is judging? Are you comfortable with all sexual offenders being "handled" the same way Josh was?
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Post by penny on Jun 4, 2015 14:58:04 GMT
I just saw a snippet on GMA and I can't believe Michelle said the girls are victimized more by the reports being released today than being molested 12 years ago. She seemed more angry about that than about the molestation. I can't believe how much they minimized his actions. Those victims are destined to suffer in silence. Another Pea mentioned something that kind of addressed this... Every victim is different... You (plural) cannot decide what is the worst part for someone else... In my own personal situation, there were things that happened after the assaults that were 'worse'... It's hard to say because they were 'worse' in a different way so grading all of it isn't a science... But yeah, believe it or not there can (as in possible for some victims/situations), for there to be worse things than the assaults... I struggle with things daily that have nothing to do with the actual assaults and have everything to do with what happened after/not by the assailant... I also think that the release of the information was a huge violation... I not paying any attention to him or his parents or whatever agenda they're talking about... But because it caused re-victimization of at least two of his victims, that release needs to be investigated and there needs to be consequences for that... I get that a lot of wrong things happened with the family, church, police, etc... Not taking any attention away from that... The family is messed up, the police are, whoever didn't dispose of the report when they were supposed to, whoever released the report is... Once is horrible enough, yet a bunch of people let those girls get hurt a second time... F$&*d up...
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Post by smokey2471 on Jun 4, 2015 15:06:11 GMT
My niece was abused by her maternal step grandfather. Just touching and inappropriate hugs,fondling. No penetration. It was her word against his/statute of limitations etc. It started when she was 4 and continued until she was 6 maybe 7? Her mother while initially angry soon chose to have a steady stream of pot to smoke and had him promise not to touch her child again (sicko mom and step father) . She was vigilant and would not spend the night etc but my sweet baby had to face her attacker all the time until she was old enough at 13 to choose to go live with my mother. My mother knew nothing about this until L asked at 10 years old to come live with her because her mother told her grandma would be mad at her and have the police take her. Once old enough to realize otherwise she told my mom and my mom fought for 2 years to get her away from them. From 10 to 12. She only succeed when L was old enough to decide herself which at the time was 13.
My point is that as a married, mother of a little girl herself now she never lets her daughter spend the night out (even with me unless she is here) she has known my Ex husband since she was 6 years old and loves him but it's always in her mind and my ex and I understood and let her know it was OK with us and that we were not offended. If they have company spend the night/visit L sleeps in her moms room. She just can't relax and let it go ever. It changes you for life. Her daughter has never spent the night away from her or her DH. Never had a sleep over at Grammy's or with Auntie Marvelous(me) and while I don't blame her it makes me sad. I was also affected in that I didn't let my daughter spend the night out except with my close family until she was old enough to tell me what went on and was aware of bad touching as early as I felt she could comprehend it.
I'm sorry to all of those on this thread that have suffered sexual abuse of any kind. My current DH says if anyone touches either of our daughters (I have one, he has one) He would most likely find a way to kill them. I would probably help him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 15:09:39 GMT
This story is very personal to me. Someone very close to me endured something VERY similar, right down to the age of both her and her brother, the attacker. This being news has stirred up all of her trauma all over again, and I can't imagine what it's doing to the victims of this specific crime.
What Josh did is disgusting and inexcusable. And what his parents did is egregious. And I strongly suspect the girls did NOT receive the proper care and healing, and it's obvious that Josh did not receive proper punishment.
But the media bears responsibility now too in the girls' trauma and healing. As far as anyone knows, there is no CURRENT abuse to anyone. Running big, national news stories was nothing more than a "oooooo look what the sanctimonious Christians did behind closed doors!" Calling them on hypocrisy is one thing. And if there was legal action that could be taken now--absolutely report it, to LAW ENFORCEMENT, not to the court of public opinion. Exploiting the abuse endured by 5 young girls when there is nothing that can ACTUALLY be done to rectify it at this point, is disgusting. This isn't bringing about justice to Josh and it never has been. All it did was reveal a very personal trauma that these girls may or may not have wanted to be public knowledge, and which they had no control in revealing. Who is holding the media accountable for THAT? For stirring up pain and triggers for no virtuous purpose? The girls are being victimized again, and this time, it's not by either their parents or their brother.
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 4, 2015 15:15:48 GMT
Yes things that happen after can be worse than the initial assault, things like your parents covering up for your assailant, things like your parents making you go on a TV show all about how wonderful and happy and wholesome your family is when you know it's a lie, things like your parents minimizing what happened to you as not so bad because it wasn't rape. Yes there are worse things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 15:24:20 GMT
Yes things that happen after can be worse than the initial assault, things like your parents covering up for your assailant, things like your parents making you go on a TV show all about how wonderful and happy and wholesome your family is when you know it's a lie, things like your parents minimizing what happened to you as not so bad because it wasn't rape. Yes there are worse things. EXACTLY
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Post by Karmady on Jun 4, 2015 15:33:20 GMT
I just watched part of the interview online and stopped when Jim Bob said that they talked to other families and they've had similar circumstances. WTH? Other families that they know have this problem?
Back to see if I can stomach more of this train wreck.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 4, 2015 15:34:04 GMT
Oh, no, don't worry about the boys. Josh is a "good Duggar Christian" so he'd never want to diddle with a boy. That's homosexuality, disgusting, and that's a sin. It's much more preferable to diddle his little sisters. And again I have to think & say it, Those poor girls. They never had a chance in that sham of a family. Having been Sexually abused, I have to say three things: 1. How DISGUSTING for you to reduce this to "diddle". This remark is sooooooooooo disgusting and infuriating. It makes it like a huge joke!! I really feel like I could just vomit after reading your joke.
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