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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 5, 2015 14:25:30 GMT
Wrong. Arrest records are sealed. Interviews done while the perpetrator is 18 are not. And that's what was done here. You constantly scream about liberals lying. Well you are lying here. But if the VICTIMS were minors then the records should have been sealed. I read that a judge has ordered the records destroyed. I think the victims have a case here if they decide to sue. There has to be a backstory that hasn't been revealed - like who tipped off InTouch. The judge who ordered the record destroyed was appointed by Mike Huckabee - good friend of the Duggars.
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Post by Kelpea on Jun 5, 2015 15:34:29 GMT
This actually makes my physically ill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 16:01:04 GMT
It makes no sense to destroy those records unless you were trying to cover something up. Even though Josh was never charged a crime was committed and the real possibility exists that if he did once he could do it again and these records would be needed if he did.
As to the Duggars blaming the media for the current ills they have no one to blame but themselves. If one is going to but themselves front and center about their "family" life they had darn well better not have any skeletons in their closet because someone is going to go looking for those skeletons. And in this case they were found. I'm not saying it's right I'm just saying it's going to happen and that arrogant sob head of the family should have known the possibility existed and should have thought of what would it would do to his daughters if this was found out.
IMO the most important job a parent has is to protect their children. The way I'm seeing it Jim Bob and Michelle get an "F".
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Post by MaryMary on Jun 5, 2015 16:19:54 GMT
Why are the parents so desperate to stay on the air? Why would they want cameras around to capture all of the fallout of this being made public? This is never going away. It is public knowledge and they are going to be dealing with it forever. If this was your family wouldn't you want to disappear from the spotlight and lick your wounds in private?
But, they don't. Because it was never that big of a deal to them.
My own family life was eerily similar to the Duggars, and this does stir up a lot of old trauma. But, more so talking to acquaintances that take the "This is just normal 14 year old curiosity" and "If it was your son, would you really call the police?" remarks that I hear from people that I had hoped knew better. Our society has a long long way to go to understanding sexual predators/abuse/trauma, which is so shocking to me considering how horribly common it really is.
I do feel sadness for the Duggar girls having this released. However, if all the police report had said was that there were 5 victims, wouldn't we all have pretty much assumed they were his sisters all along? Predators abuse family because they are easy victims. We know that. Having sisters listed on the report wasn't that much of a giveaway. The girls feelings of betrayal are misdirected. All of the guilt for this media poopstorm lies at the feet of Josh for being a sicko creeper, and his parents for knowing it and then signing up for a reality show. Because it was never that big of a deal to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 16:30:14 GMT
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Post by Skypea on Jun 5, 2015 18:30:55 GMT
Skypea, I'm curious: how in the heck does what you wrote in your latest post even remotely connect to the text you have highlighted in blue?? and why is it that you seem to always try to get the threads you post in off-track from what the actual thread topic is?? the public - like the peas and media - chasing scandals to gossip about... I think there's a tie in there somewhere. Sorry you don't see it...
topics off track? no, I think it's how you view them...
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Post by Skypea on Jun 5, 2015 18:33:58 GMT
they are guilty of believing what they were told - that the juvenile records were sealed.
the parents did not do NOTHING. Evidently, we watched different interviews. Did you actually watch it? watch with a bias?
There were things Megyn didn't want to bring out and further identify which girls were involved.
Wrong. Arrest records are sealed. Interviews done while the perpetrator is 18 are not. And that's what was done here. You constantly scream about liberals lying. Well you are lying here. no, I'm not lying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 18:35:16 GMT
Wrong. Arrest records are sealed. Interviews done while the perpetrator is 18 are not. And that's what was done here. You constantly scream about liberals lying. Well you are lying here. no, I'm not lying.
Go read the articles I posted. It was not an illegally released interview under the FOIA. The Duggars and Megyn kelly are wrong.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 5, 2015 20:38:02 GMT
I wanted to post this here for Skypea. Duggars InterviewThe whole article is worth reading. But here's some quotes: 3) Jim Bob suggested the records of Josh’s crimes were released because the Springdale police chief, Kathy O’Kelley, may have taken a bribe. The records were obtained through Arkansas' Freedom of Information Act, which is one of the most liberal open records laws in the country, according to the state’s attorney general. In Touch has a paper trail that proves city attorneys reviewed the FOI request and approved the records' release. Further, Jim Bob’s “bribe or personal agenda” explanation for the records' release loses all credibility in light of the fact that a SECOND police report detailing Josh’s crimes was obtained by In Touch magazine through FOIA. That second report comes from the Washington County Sheriff’s Office, and the Springdale police chief has no involvement in deciding if those records can be released. 4) Jim Bob and sympathetic host Megyn Kelly repeatedly referred to the records as being “illegally released.” Not so, say legal experts. That claim is “disputed by the law enforcement agencies involved, the Arkansas Press Association and attorneys with expertise in public-document cases involving the state's Freedom of Information Act,” according to the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette. The news outlet reports: “’I don't think [the agencies] had a choice,’ said John Tull, a Little Rock attorney who specializes in public-record cases. ‘They had to release the reports. Those records are not closed under FOI. The alleged perpetrator had attained his majority at the time it was released, and once his name and all the victims' names were blacked out, it was subject to FOI.’ “The Washington County sheriff's office contacted Zimmerman's office on May 22, the day after the court ordered the destruction of the Springdale investigation report, the sheriff's office said in a statement, ‘to advise her the Sheriff's Office also had records about this case and wondered if her order stated for us to destroy our records. It was at that time she advised us she believes even our records are covered under 9-27-309(j) and we shouldn't release them on this case.’ That section of the law exempts juvenile records from the Freedom of Information Act. “’However, that exemption does not cover records of concluded investigations when the names of the perpetrator and the victims are redacted and when the offender has reached adulthood, and in regard to which there are no court orders forbidding the release,’ said Tom Larimer, executive director of the Arkansas Press Association. “That understanding was echoed by Tull and Brandon Cate of Springdale, who have advised newspapers on public-record cases. “The Washington County sheriff's office also cited five state attorney general's opinions going back to 1992, all stating that such records are not exempt.
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Post by foolana on Jun 5, 2015 20:41:27 GMT
Don't you guys know that if Skypea thinks it, it has to be true?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 5, 2015 20:46:01 GMT
Don't you guys know that if Skypea thinks it, it has to be true? Honestly, I would have thought that child molestation was something the peas could agree upon. I did not think this was a liberal vs. conservative thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 20:46:57 GMT
Don't you guys know that if Skypea thinks it, it has to be true? Honestly, I would have thought that child molestation was something the peas could agree upon. I did not think this was a liberal vs. conservative thing. Luckily only a select few are siding with the Duggars. Most seem to agree this was horrific and they were 10000% wrong.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 5, 2015 20:50:31 GMT
Don't you guys know that if Skypea thinks it, it has to be true? let's see... media says... deputy this... sheriff that... AG opinions vs the juvenile judge?
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Post by Skypea on Jun 5, 2015 21:28:14 GMT
Honestly, I would have thought that child molestation was something the peas could agree upon. I did not think this was a liberal vs. conservative thing. Luckily only a select few are siding with the Duggars. Most seem to agree this was horrific and they were 10000% wrong. I don't take or believe something based on the peas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 21:48:17 GMT
Luckily only a select few are siding with the Duggars. Most seem to agree this was horrific and they were 10000% wrong. I don't take or believe something based on the peas.
I don't think anyone is asking you to believe something based on the peas lol. I think they're asking you to, you know, read the articles and stuff. The facts and all that jazz. Sounds to me like you're purposefully disbelieving something based on the peas. You're kind of known for that.
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Post by foolana on Jun 5, 2015 22:39:05 GMT
Don't you guys know that if Skypea thinks it, it has to be true? let's see... media says... deputy this... sheriff that... AG opinions vs the juvenile judge? Very funny! This comes from someone who gets her "news" from right-wing conspiracy sites and religious programming. Where exactly did you get this "juvenile judge" info from?
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Post by Skypea on Jun 5, 2015 23:29:49 GMT
I don't take or believe something based on the peas.
I don't think anyone is asking you to believe something based on the peas lol. I think they're asking you to, you know, read the articles and stuff. The facts and all that jazz. Sounds to me like you're purposefully disbelieving something based on the peas. You're kind of known for that.read the articles? from where? the media/ left wing... Fox has been running some of that. What facts? ya'll were on here yapping up about it long before you had any facts. All you had were things like In Touch whatever and others gossips.
If I'm known for that it's because of how most peas think and believe. and it's only 'known by the peas' for it. Not what I base my life on.
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Post by foolana on Jun 5, 2015 23:37:54 GMT
I don't think anyone is asking you to believe something based on the peas lol. I think they're asking you to, you know, read the articles and stuff. The facts and all that jazz. Sounds to me like you're purposefully disbelieving something based on the peas. You're kind of known for that.read the articles? from where? the media/ left wing... Fox has been running some of that. What facts? ya'll were on here yapping up about it long before you had any facts. All you had were things like In Touch whatever and others gossips.
If I'm known for that it's because of how most peas think and believe. and it's only 'known by the peas' for it. Not what I base my life on.
I didn't know police reports had a left-wing bias. You are truly ridiculous.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 5, 2015 23:39:43 GMT
let's see... media says... deputy this... sheriff that... AG opinions vs the juvenile judge? Very funny! This comes from someone who gets her "news" from right-wing conspiracy sites and religious programming. Where exactly did you get this "juvenile judge" info from? yikes! you live inside my doG? don't think so... you have no idea where I get my news from - other than some from Fox. conspiracy sites? that coming from a DBO/Clinton supporter like you?
I don't watch 'religious' programming - I'm sure you don't know the difference on that.
the juvenile judge? from Megyn - and they posted a pic of her. I think if that wasn't so, the media would be all over it by now. Someone here already slammed her because she was appointed by Huckabee. Fox has had a lot more about this since her interview but those who don't watch Fox wouldn't know... they just know they don't like something they don't watch.
you shouldn't believe all you hear on msnbc or read on huffy.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 5, 2015 23:46:03 GMT
I thought it was 1 out of 4 girls and 1 out of 6 boys. I think boys don't come forward as much, but they probably go through it almost as much as girls do. These were the numbers I found when I was doing research for my master's thesis on this topic in the early 90s. If those figures are accurate, wow...... that makes me so sad. That means I personally know dozens - hundreds! - of people who have been sexually abused (but I just don't know which ones). I know of 1 female and 3 males who have been sexually abused. It's horrifying to think how many more there are.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 5, 2015 23:58:52 GMT
I will say that as a young child I was molested by a relative. I am not embarrassed by that fact. I am not ashamed of that fact. The shame is all his. If I were held up and robbed, I would not be ashamed. I think until we speak as freely about our sexual abuse as we would any other crime perpetrated against us, victims will continue to feel the shame and embarrassment of the crime. I had an old man slip his hand up under my skirt and try to feel me on a train in a foreign country when I was 11 and wearing a pad with my first period. This is the first time I've ever told anyone.
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Post by foolana on Jun 6, 2015 0:05:49 GMT
I'm so very sorry to all of you who were molested. I hope that you've been able to understand that it was not your fault AT ALL. The people who did that to you were the only ones at fault. I send all my love and hugs your way.
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Post by pierogi on Jun 6, 2015 0:07:47 GMT
I will say that as a young child I was molested by a relative. I am not embarrassed by that fact. I am not ashamed of that fact. The shame is all his. If I were held up and robbed, I would not be ashamed. I think until we speak as freely about our sexual abuse as we would any other crime perpetrated against us, victims will continue to feel the shame and embarrassment of the crime. I had an old man slip his hand up under my skirt and try to feel me on a train in a foreign country when I was 11 and wearing a pad with my first period. This is the first time I've ever told anyone. I want to punch him for you. Creep.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 0:12:17 GMT
a lot of people have been able to attack, attack and attack a family lifestyle they don't agree with or understand ... people they don't like.
This is a load of crap. I have never attacked the Duggars. Never. Even when though I think Michelle's robocalls were really horrible, I believe she has the right to her opinion. But I will never defend a family that allowed this in their home. Did you watch the interview? Did you hear them say he confessed to doing it? Then they did not take him out of the home and he did it three more times? Did you hear them say that *some* of the times the girls were in bed sleeping, but *some* of the time they were awake during this? Not that that makes it any better if they were asleep. Did you hear them say *some* of the time it was through their clothes but *some* of the time it was under their clothes? Not that that makes a difference either as it's all sick. But really, they knew they had this predator in their home and they gave him another opportunity to do it again. You think that's OK? You think a kid at 14 & 15 years old does not know right from wrong? He clearly did as he confessed to this behavior. The only thing that is about their lifestyle is how they chose to deal with this. And the way they did it was wrong. I would have had total respect had they come out and said, "we handled this wrong. We should have done X, Y, and Z. We learned. We made sure everyone in our home had counseling by a licensed professional." But they didn't. They defended Josh up and down. Even when Megyn Kelly attempted to redirect them to think about how the victims might feel, they brought it back to Josh. They showed no sympathy for what their daughters went through. And then to say that they think it's because of an agenda that these reports were requested. That's right, they want to claim persecution. No, this is the price of fame. Those records were requested under the Freedom of Information Act. If they were illegally obtained, then I imagine justice will be served in that matter. But I cannot see anyone releasing anything like this without dotting their i's and crossing their t's to make sure it was the legal thing to do. I felt no sympathy for the JimBob, Michelle, or Josh. Only their daughters. And the more I read, the more I think maybe it is time that the media shines a light on their "lifestyle" especially given how many people JimBob referenced last night who have had similar or worse things happen in their families. Maybe their "lifestyle" is contributing to this sort of behavior. And how about that idiot they follow, he was a sex criminal too. I don't care what your lifestyle is, a crime is a crime. I want to attack them for you instead? OK?
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Post by tincin on Jun 6, 2015 2:00:39 GMT
I will say that as a young child I was molested by a relative. I am not embarrassed by that fact. I am not ashamed of that fact. The shame is all his. If I were held up and robbed, I would not be ashamed. I think until we speak as freely about our sexual abuse as we would any other crime perpetrated against us, victims will continue to feel the shame and embarrassment of the crime. I had an old man slip his hand up under my skirt and try to feel me on a train in a foreign country when I was 11 and wearing a pad with my first period. This is the first time I've ever told anyone. Congratulations for breaking the silence. It is easier when you realize you don't own the crime.
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Post by tmarschall on Jun 6, 2015 2:33:54 GMT
I will say that as a young child I was molested by a relative. I am not embarrassed by that fact. I am not ashamed of that fact. The shame is all his. If I were held up and robbed, I would not be ashamed. I think until we speak as freely about our sexual abuse as we would any other crime perpetrated against us, victims will continue to feel the shame and embarrassment of the crime. I had an old man slip his hand up under my skirt and try to feel me on a train in a foreign country when I was 11 and wearing a pad with my first period. This is the first time I've ever told anyone. I'm so sorry he did that to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 2:37:37 GMT
That was very brave LTO. I too have a secret. I think there are many of us out there.
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Post by M~ on Jun 6, 2015 3:18:53 GMT
I'm REALLY not shocked by the statistics. I have been inappropriately touched by 2 men: my stepfather (I was eight) and my sister's boyfriend (I was 14 and he was in his mid-30's). Both men were overly religious (and still are). Both men had access to me only because they were in my family. It's a shame that I have carried with me most of my life and for a long time I believed I was targeted because they perceived me to be weak. I know better now. I keep saying, the monster isn't out on the streets waiting in a dark corner. The monsters are inside our homes and in our churches and places of worship. I have yet to understand why there seems to be such a strong connection with very very religious conservative men and child molestation. I don't get it. I makes me sick, quite frankly.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 6, 2015 3:19:50 GMT
a lot of people have been able to attack, attack and attack a family lifestyle they don't agree with or understand ... people they don't like.
This is a load of crap. I have never attacked the Duggars. Never. Even when though I think Michelle's robocalls were really horrible, I believe she has the right to her opinion. But I will never defend a family that allowed this in their home. Did you watch the interview? Did you hear them say he confessed to doing it? Then they did not take him out of the home and he did it three more times? Did you hear them say that *some* of the times the girls were in bed sleeping, but *some* of the time they were awake during this? Not that that makes it any better if they were asleep. Did you hear them say *some* of the time it was through their clothes but *some* of the time it was under their clothes? Not that that makes a difference either as it's all sick. But really, they knew they had this predator in their home and they gave him another opportunity to do it again. You think that's OK? You think a kid at 14 & 15 years old does not know right from wrong? He clearly did as he confessed to this behavior. The only thing that is about their lifestyle is how they chose to deal with this. And the way they did it was wrong. I would have had total respect had they come out and said, "we handled this wrong. We should have done X, Y, and Z. We learned. We made sure everyone in our home had counseling by a licensed professional." But they didn't. They defended Josh up and down. Even when Megyn Kelly attempted to redirect them to think about how the victims might feel, they brought it back to Josh. They showed no sympathy for what their daughters went through. And then to say that they think it's because of an agenda that these reports were requested. That's right, they want to claim persecution. No, this is the price of fame. Those records were requested under the Freedom of Information Act. If they were illegally obtained, then I imagine justice will be served in that matter. But I cannot see anyone releasing anything like this without dotting their i's and crossing their t's to make sure it was the legal thing to do. I felt no sympathy for the JimBob, Michelle, or Josh. Only their daughters. And the more I read, the more I think maybe it is time that the media shines a light on their "lifestyle" especially given how many people JimBob referenced last night who have had similar or worse things happen in their families. Maybe their "lifestyle" is contributing to this sort of behavior. And how about that idiot they follow, he was a sex criminal too. I don't care what your lifestyle is, a crime is a crime. was my above post in direct aim at you?
yes, I watched the interview, and other clips of it Megyn played on her Thurs show (not prev shown). And other lawyers she had on.
AND I watched tonight - the girls - they also said they had counseling. Yet YOU know better? Well, you sure are smart then. You know more than they do what happened to them and what process they went thru. Did you watch that?
AND the woman who works in this field (St Francis College - wherever that is). She disagrees with so many here. even about Josh. Did you watch that?
if 1 out of 5 or 6 has this happen in their home, we should see peas starting threads left and right telling us about it. Cause WE should know. Or maybe they'll go directly to the media with the story and expose their kids that way. I'm sure they had the police come take their boy away pronto.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 6, 2015 3:24:10 GMT
I'm REALLY not shocked by the statistics. I have been inappropriately touched by 2 men: my stepfather (I was eight) and my sister's boyfriend (I was 14 and he was in his mid-30's). Both men were overly religious (and still are). Both men had access to me only because they were in my family. It's a shame that I have carried with me most of my life and for a long time I believed I was targeted because they perceived me to be weak. I know better now. I keep saying, the monster isn't out on the streets waiting in a dark corner. The monsters are inside our homes and in our churches and places of worship. I have yet to understand why there seems to be such a strong connection with very very religious conservative men and child molestation. I don't get it. I makes me sick, quite frankly. What do you consider religious? what do you consider overly religious? What caused you to think that of them?
btw, I believe the monsters are on the street AND in the home. I know at least 3 families where this has happened. One was the father and one was the gfather.
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