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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 16:41:08 GMT
I can't help thinking of the book While the World Watched. To think it was almost 52 years ago a church in Alabama was bombed. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 16:43:26 GMT
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Jun 18, 2015 16:44:24 GMT
I am very sad for this happening. My heart goes out to the families of the church members. It's particularly disturbing that if he has mental health issues, he is in possession of a deadly weapon. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by katieanna on Jun 18, 2015 16:49:56 GMT
Nope. But there was speculation LAST NIGHT, before the suspect was even identified, that he must be mentally ill. Yup not a thug. Just mentally ill. Amazing isn't it? My impression that the word "thug" was used in a totally different situation involving the police. This kid is a downright murderer and there's no way that I would call that any better than a thug.
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Post by eebud on Jun 18, 2015 16:54:14 GMT
Yeah, and despite what the survivor has said the shooter said, the FOX douchebag says this isn't a racially-motivated hate crime. I just watched the video linked above and that is not what I heard him say. He talked about it being called a hate crime and how many people have said it was a hate crime because the shooter was white and the victims were black but that the pastor brought up that it was a Christian church. He then questioned if that was the type of hate crime they meant since it wasn't specified. In other words, he is questioning what kind of hate crime it was. I think his comment saying "extraordinarily" being called a hate crime was stupid but then again, I think all murderers are committing a hate crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 16:55:31 GMT
Yeah, and despite what the survivor has said the shooter said, the FOX douchebag says this isn't a racially-motivated hate crime. I just watched the video linked above and that is not what I heard him say. He talked about it being called a hate crime and how many people have said it was a hate crime because the shooter was white and the victims were black but that the pastor brought up that it was a Christian church. He then questioned if that was the type of hate crime they meant since it wasn't specified. In other words, he is questioning what kind of hate crime it was. I think his comment saying "extraordinarily" being called a hate crime was stupid but then again, I think all murderers are committing a hate crime. That's not what I heard at all. And it is very clear that this was racially motivated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:00:20 GMT
Who is this Squint and the Meat Puppet the author is referring to and why is the state flag considered a flag of treason? Thanks. Squint and the Meat Puppet = Morning Joe He's not talking about the state flag, but rather the Confederate flag that SC flies at the state capitol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:00:47 GMT
It's particularly disturbing that if he has mental health issues, he is in possession of a deadly weapon. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I beg to differ. He's no more mentally ill that I am but very likely a member of the KKK! Who as a "normal" guy of that age has the flags of the old Afrikaan government of South Africa, which hasn't been in use since the middle 90's and also the old former Rhodesia which hasn't been in use since the late 70's sewn on to their jackets?. That is without mentioning the racist remarks he's alleged to have told the victims before he shot them. No, he's definitely not mentally ill,he's just full of hate directed at people of colour!
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Post by eebud on Jun 18, 2015 17:04:03 GMT
I just watched the video linked above and that is not what I heard him say. He talked about it being called a hate crime and how many people have said it was a hate crime because the shooter was white and the victims were black but that the pastor brought up that it was a Christian church. He then questioned if that was the type of hate crime they meant since it wasn't specified. In other words, he is questioning what kind of hate crime it was. I think his comment saying "extraordinarily" being called a hate crime was stupid but then again, I think all murderers are committing a hate crime. That's not what I heard at all. And it is very clear that this was racially motivated. You can put whatever words into it that you wish to put into it but it is not what he said. What I am listening to starts with the pastor about 2:20. Then the man that I assume is Steve Doocy starts his comment at 2:45 and the comments continue until 3:30 ending with the pastor. He is clearly asking if they meant a crime against Christians instead of a race crime. He didn't say one way or the other. He said it was not explained.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:08:57 GMT
Thanks for sharing this. It's even more heartbreaking, finding out the history of the church.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:17:39 GMT
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 18, 2015 17:23:30 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 18, 2015 17:24:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:28:38 GMT
Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. We can't ignore it or hide it. This needs to be talked about and needs to be out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:29:51 GMT
And so it begins ![](http://d.pr/i/1222r+)
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 18, 2015 17:45:37 GMT
And so it begins ![](http://d.pr/i/1222r+) Absolutely nothing about HIS prior arrest record. Just another good boy who's been misdirected.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 18, 2015 17:49:47 GMT
For those interested - the Confederate flag started being flown over the dome at the capital in South Carolina in 1962 as a protest against the federal civil rights movement. There was a huge protest in 2000 and the flag was moved from the dome to a flag pole near the monument for Confederate soldiers.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 18, 2015 17:49:53 GMT
Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. We can't ignore it or hide it. This needs to be talked about and needs to be out there. You aren't the only one. The media is well into its coverage of this event. Guess we'll see if this is true then: "...every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murderer, we expect to see one or two more within a week."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:51:25 GMT
Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. We can't ignore it or hide it. This needs to be talked about and needs to be out there. You aren't the only one. The media is well into its coverage of this event. Guess we'll see if this is true then: "...every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murderer, we expect to see one or two more within a week." So we should just ignore a hate crime like this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:53:20 GMT
I don't think that this in particular is very relevant to what has happened, Charlie Brooker's Newswipe was a satirical programme made up of cuts from different news events over a period of time interspersed with "statements" made by professionals to fit in but not necessarily applying to what was being viewed. In other words he took bits of this and bits of that and put them all together to make his satirical programme. Other countries don't have repeat tragedies following media reports with the same frequency as the US do, so the final statement on the video doesn't apply.But there again we don't have such frenzied news reporting as the US does. I agree with a previous poster you can't NOT report it otherwise you're closing your eyes to what is happening and it will continue and nothing will be done to stop it. People will be living in their own little bubble oblivious to what is going on around them until it's too late.
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Post by eebud on Jun 18, 2015 17:58:09 GMT
And so it begins ![](http://d.pr/i/1222r+) Do you have a subscription where you can copy and paste the story here? I tried to go to the site shown above but it requires a subscription. I always find it interesting to read what the family members say about someone who commits a heinous crime. They were always "such a good boy" or "they were just getting their life turned around". I have heard it a million times and all I can do is say NO, he was NOT a good boy and NO, apparently he was NOT turning his life around. I don't know why I am always fascinated by how much family members are in denial, especially as more details come out about the person who committed the crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:59:02 GMT
So horrible and heartbreaking. And scary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:59:06 GMT
You aren't the only one. The media is well into its coverage of this event. Guess we'll see if this is true then: "...every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murderer, we expect to see one or two more within a week." So we should just ignore a hate crime like this? Absolutely not, and I suspect that you know that the poster above wasn't suggesting so. I do think the STYLE and content of news coverage needs to change; the current trend is so sensational and glorifying, and sometimes nearly forms an instructional manual for those who might share similar views as the murders being reported about. I'd love to see a more rational, almost academic, discussion about the seriousness of racism, why it's wrong, etc, rather than continually showing the perpetrator's face and personal history and photos/videos of the crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 18:01:16 GMT
So we should just ignore a hate crime like this? Absolutely not, and I suspect that you know that the poster above wasn't suggesting so. I do think the STYLE and content of news coverage needs to change; the current trend is so sensational and glorifying, and sometimes nearly forms an instructional manual for those who might share similar views as the murders being reported about. I'd love to see a more rational, almost academic, discussion about the seriousness of racism, why it's wrong, etc, rather than continually showing the perpetrator's face and personal history and photos/videos of the crime. I really haven't seen much sensationaism regarding this case besides that awful interview I posted. The personal history of the victims will come. Heck their names haven't even all been released yet. His photo was splashed because they were hunting for him. It was very necessary.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 18, 2015 18:01:33 GMT
You aren't the only one. The media is well into its coverage of this event. Guess we'll see if this is true then: "...every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murderer, we expect to see one or two more within a week." So we should just ignore a hate crime like this? Absolutely not. Report it, just don't glorify the event and the murderer 24/7 for weeks on end. It's the intense saturation coverage piece that I object to. It's sole purpose is to generate high ratings for the network, what it does is create a climate of fear for profit and that is disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 18:02:28 GMT
Absolutely not, and I suspect that you know that the poster above wasn't suggesting so. I do think the STYLE and content of news coverage needs to change; the current trend is so sensational and glorifying, and sometimes nearly forms an instructional manual for those who might share similar views as the murders being reported about. I'd love to see a more rational, almost academic, discussion about the seriousness of racism, why it's wrong, etc, rather than continually showing the perpetrator's face and personal history and photos/videos of the crime. I really haven't seen much sensationaism regarding this case besides that awful interview I posted. The personal history of the victims will come. Heck their names haven't even all been released yet. His photo was splashed because they were hunting for him. It was very necessary. You obviously completely missed my point; I wasn't addressing this case specifically, and I wasn't talking about the victims' personal stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 18:02:47 GMT
I don't see ANY glorifying of the murderer. Although I do see the excuses. :/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 18:03:40 GMT
I really haven't seen much sensationaism regarding this case besides that awful interview I posted. The personal history of the victims will come. Heck their names haven't even all been released yet. His photo was splashed because they were hunting for him. It was very necessary. You obviously completely missed my point; I wasn't addressing this case specifically, and I wasn't talking about the victims' personal stories. Well I was talking specifically about this case. Sorry I misread the other part. My brain isn't what it used to be. Freaking drugs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 18:06:22 GMT
Mentally ill? In my professional opinion, he needs to be diagnosed as a "racist" a$$hole" with severe potential to "spread his form of hate with extreme violence" and should have been shot by police when they captured him. He is of no loss to society.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 18, 2015 18:11:37 GMT
I don't see ANY glorifying of the murderer. Although I do see the excuses. :/ That's because that happens a little bit later. There are four stages in crisis reporting: 1. Fact finding - "Breaking News" 2. Unfolding drama - focus on victims and their response, history, etc. 3. Blame game - how did this person become like this? Was he not loved enough as a child? Is he mentally insane? was he the victim of bullying? (etc, ad nauseam) 4. Resolution/lessons learned - fallout/resolution. There might be funerals, a government inquiry, or a Senate hearing. Church goers go back to church. Victims return to their homes. We are only in stage one. It will take days to go through all of these.
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