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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 19, 2015 20:56:17 GMT
You don't know that. You are supposing. He could have done it another way. Why does the conversation always go to mental health when it is a white killer? Hate is what it is about, and that is not a mental health issue. It is passed down from generation to generation. When you have a symbol of hate flying in your capital. You need to look no further. There is your issue. Its time to stop making excuses. It goes there with these white killers because statistically mass shootings are done by white males. What is the ratio of white to non-white school shootings? What about opening fire in a mall or other crowded place? The mental health angle has nothing to do with white or non-white, it is about looking for was to maybe prevent this type of shit from happening when we can. Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 19, 2015 21:00:21 GMT
I didn't say anything about not discussing guns. What I said in that post was that we needed to look at mental health services in this county. This guy was an asshat who was going to kill with or without guns. Was there some mental health issue that was untreated or undiagnosed? What about with the other assholes who shoot people? There seems to often be an underlying mental issue. Can we prevent things like this from happening with affordable access to mental health services and medication? This guy murdered black people because he was a RACIST! So how do we treat that? Mental health services? Really? MANY all over fb are denying there even is racism. Ugh, I have already conceited that this asshat was a racist dick. Others brought up other shooters and some of them did have mental issues. Some that people didn't know about until after the shooting. And honestly, you don't know that this guy didn't have some mental issues going on. Maybe he had voices in his head that told him to start a race war. Or he may have been something else. We know he was a drug user, but maybe the drug use also had some underlying cause. Or this guy could have just been a racist piece of shit who wanted to shoot people, but even if that is the case, maybe mental health services help someone in the future.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jun 19, 2015 21:01:15 GMT
To see RACE in everything does. And Foolana makes everything about race. The only way to NOT be racist is to be completely colorblind. No that is a fallacy. You can not be color blind. Race is a fact. To suppose that we are all the same, is part of the problem. To accept all races, and to not judge people based not his or her race, that is to not be racist. To pretend race does not exist, is to perpetuate the problem. Race is a social construct. We are all human, and we have various differences in pigmentation. Everything else that defines race is culturally attached by the society in which it resides. We see race because we need to see differences and separation, and in terms of racism superiority. But those who see everything as racist are just as much a part of the problem as those who are openly racist themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:02:06 GMT
The thing with racism is...we're not discussing the racism of the shooting. Clearly, this shooter was a racist and got great joy in killing 9 innocent people. But Foolana's desperate attempts to continue to tell me that I'm bringing up Chicago because it's a minority city, or that it's Obama's hometown, or that I'm bring up black on black crime vs. white on white crime is racist. Nothing like that either came from my mouth or was even hinted at in my many posts on this thread. Yet Foolana is the one who put it all there...insisting I said it, or better yet, insisting that I meant it. Clearly, she knows what I meant better than I do. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) So I'll call Foolana a racist, not because we're arguing about the shooter, his motives or his victims, but because SHE has been putting words in my mouth for two days now that I never said, hinted at, or meant. I cannot stop her from making these claims, but clearly there are plenty of people (both people that agree with me and people that don't agree with me) that see it too, so she's making herself look worse than she's trying to portray me.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jun 19, 2015 21:03:23 GMT
It goes there with these white killers because statistically mass shootings are done by white males. What is the ratio of white to non-white school shootings? What about opening fire in a mall or other crowded place? The mental health angle has nothing to do with white or non-white, it is about looking for was to maybe prevent this type of shit from happening when we can. Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs. Again it goes to the motivation behind the killing. And actually Rick Perry (an ass) did bring up drugs in reference to this shooting and well, you can read the responses to that mention.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 19, 2015 21:04:15 GMT
It goes there with these white killers because statistically mass shootings are done by white males. What is the ratio of white to non-white school shootings? What about opening fire in a mall or other crowded place? The mental health angle has nothing to do with white or non-white, it is about looking for was to maybe prevent this type of shit from happening when we can. Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs. When a young black man, or in reality ANY race of gang member, shoots three people in a drive by he has a reason. It may be retribution, it may be initiation, it may be gang justice, it may be something else, but there is a reason behind it. That is drugs and gangs and most likely thugs. (BTW in my area it is typically Mexican gangs, so the young black man doesn't apply). If a young black man walked into a white church or into a school or whatever and shot up the place without gang ties, people would absolutely be talking mental health issues. You seem to assume that black people don't have mental health issues and that any who commit a crime must be in a gang.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 19, 2015 21:07:02 GMT
there you go again! it's obvious he meant to use the word incident, not accident. Later he called it a crime of hate...
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Post by Skypea on Jun 19, 2015 21:10:18 GMT
I have no issues. You are in denial. No one else's mind went from the need for more gun laws to the gun crimes in minority Chicago. Interesting. Who exactly am I being racist towards? you're the one in denial. Everyone has issues...
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 19, 2015 21:11:09 GMT
Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs. When a young black man, or in reality ANY race of gang member, shoots three people in a drive by he has a reason. It may be retribution, it may be initiation, it may be gang justice, it may be something else, but there is a reason behind it. That is drugs and gangs and most likely thugs. (BTW in my area it is typically Mexican gangs, so the young black man doesn't apply). If a young black man walked into a white church or into a school or whatever and shot up the place without gang ties, people would absolutely be talking mental health issues. You seem to assume that black people don't have mental health issues and that any who commit a crime must be in a gang. No I'm not saying that at all. I agree that access to mental health contributes to the violence in our society. And the lack of access goes across all races, and is mainly an indication of socio-econcomics. I used an example, of a crime where people do not talk about mental health, there is nothing I said to indicate that I think any black person who commits a crime is in a gang. You made that assumption. I am talking about THIS crime. This crime is one based on racism and hate. And I think that is the conversation we should be having. NOT about mental health. There is nothing so far to indicate that this killer was mentally unstable. He was a violent racist. How did he become so vengeful, so full of hate of african americans that he did this heinous crime. That is the conversation we should be having.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:11:12 GMT
there you go again! it's obvious he meant to use the word incident, not accident. Later he called it a crime of hate...
There I go again? No there goes Perry again. Don't blame his bullshit on me.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 19, 2015 21:12:23 GMT
Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs. When a young black man, or in reality ANY race of gang member, shoots three people in a drive by he has a reason. It may be retribution, it may be initiation, it may be gang justice, it may be something else, but there is a reason behind it. That is drugs and gangs and most likely thugs. (BTW in my area it is typically Mexican gangs, so the young black man doesn't apply). If a young black man walked into a white church or into a school or whatever and shot up the place without gang ties, people would absolutely be talking mental health issues. You seem to assume that black people don't have mental health issues and that any who commit a crime must be in a gang. This killer had a reason too. He hates black people and thinks they are taking over the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:13:13 GMT
To see RACE in everything does. And Foolana makes everything about race. The only way to NOT be racist is to be completely colorblind. No that is a fallacy. You can not be color blind. Race is a fact. To suppose that we are all the same, is part of the problem. To accept all races, and to not judge people based not his or her race, that is to not be racist. To pretend race does not exist, is to perpetuate the problem. ![:yeahthat:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/yrGoHMAelQz8f2Qt0sjb.jpg)
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 19, 2015 21:14:58 GMT
It goes there with these white killers because statistically mass shootings are done by white males. What is the ratio of white to non-white school shootings? What about opening fire in a mall or other crowded place? The mental health angle has nothing to do with white or non-white, it is about looking for was to maybe prevent this type of shit from happening when we can. Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs. Right. If racists are really just mentally challenged, then based on the comments I see on the internet, half the damn country needs serious intervention.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:17:34 GMT
Well here we are again. Another mass murder. The thread is following the same predictable path as other threads of this type. First you have the ones who come on and say how tragic that it his happened. Then it switches to blame. Then deflection. Then the thread dies. Until the next mass murder and it starts all over again with the same result. And so on and so on and so on........ Yesterday in a speech Hillary Clinton asked the question "How many people do we need to see cut down before we act?" I would like to know. I thought for sure something would be done after Sandy Hook. I mean all those dead children. But no. Just a lot of words and no action. On this thread @gajenny feels "making it more and more difficult for law abiding individuals that want to own a firearm does nothing in regards to the problem of guns in the hands of people that shouldn't have them". So she wants to get rid of illegal guns. Fair enough. However based on @gajenny's statement above I'm not she understands just where illegal guns come from. The majority of illegal guns started out as legal. You have gun dealers who sell guns outside of the laws. You have straw purchases. You have private sales where the owner doesn't do his due diligence. You have the theft of guns. So I'm not sure how one can crack down on illegal guns without cracking down on legal guns where most of the illegal guns come from in the first place. i find it really interesting the minute one says "gun owners should be held responsible for their guns" some gun owners get hostile. I don't understand why this is a problem for law abiding responsible gun owners. I mean doesn't being a law abiding responsible gun owner mean that you are responsible for the actions of that gun? So what is the problem? "I disagree to a point. While sometimes there are no signs and there really is nothing we can do, sometimes there are definite mental health signs, but a person doesn't get the treatment they need because of lack of funding or access for mental health. Instead of always blaming the guns, let's' look at mental health services in this country. This guy could have used a homemade bomb just as the gun". Two points. 1. Under the ACA mental health is now to be treated as any other sickness meaning there is greater access. 2. Yes the guy could have made a bomb but it is easy to get a gun. A gun is a quick and efficient way to kill people. Homemade bombs can be messy. Deflection. " Take away the guns from the equation, and those same men would have still committed their crimes, and may have used bombs instead. The delivery method isn't the real problem, it's the mentality behind it". jonda1974 that is a big assumption on your part. You have absolutely have no idea what these men would have done if the guns weren't readily available. Insurance is is not the answer. I don't believe you would find an insurance company or companies that would be willing to write the coverage as most if not all claims would involve a death which would mean the payout would be in the millions. No money to be made. And you know it's all about profit. What I think needs to be done is a national data base that would track the gun from the time it is manufactured or imported to the U.S. until the time it's destroyed. When a gun dealer buys the gun it's entered into the data base and under his name until it's sold. At that time it's sold the gun is transferred to the new owner. If the gun is sold again then it's transferred to the new owner and every new owner there on. If the gun is lost or stolen then the data base must be notified. Because if it's not then any crime committed with the gun the last owner on record will be held as an accessory after the fact. You must be licensed to own a gun and that licensed must be renewed every 5 years. You must take a gun safety class at the time you are first licensed and must take a safety refresher class every time you renew your license. To pay for this national data base every time the gun is registered or reregistered a fee is charged. Everytime the license is renewed a fee is charged. The reason for a national data base? Simple it makes it easier for law enforcement officials to track a gun if it's used to kill someone or use to commit a crime. For true law abiding responsible gun owners this should not be a problem. Oh one last requirement. When the gun or guns are in the home they should be unloaded and in a place where little ones can't get their hands on them. If they should and kill themself or another child then the owner of said gun will get his/her ass hauled off to jail and they will be charged with murder. Tough? Maybe but if you really are a law abiding responsible gun owner this should not be a problem. But of course none of this will happen because most of the gun owners will be jumping up and down screaming about their second amendment rights. Well these folks had better be wearing boots because when they land they will jumping in the blood of the innocent people killed in these relentless killings. Hillary asked the question of how many people do we need to see cut down before we act. My answer is it seems we are not there yet and may not be therE yet.
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Post by foolana on Jun 19, 2015 21:25:39 GMT
I have no issues. You are in denial. No one else's mind went from the need for more gun laws to the gun crimes in minority Chicago. Interesting. Who exactly am I being racist towards? Considering that you are the one who sees color in every word, thought, action, motive, posting, event, etc...and insist that anyone who doesn't fall in lock step with you on every point is a racist...I'd say that you are the one who is anything BUT colorblind. Is there institutionalized racism, absolutely, but not everything is about color. THIS shooting was absolutely, but you make EVERYTHING about race, and that in and of itself breeds racism. Everything? Really? Are you always so full of sh!t or just today? Making generalizations like that just make YOU look stupid. I will continue to stand up for the downtrodden and abused of all races no matter what people like you think.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 19, 2015 21:30:36 GMT
Well look at that, not all of them were white, but most had some sort of mental illenss.
A terrorist doesn't care who they kill on their way to trying to spread terror or whatever their agenda. This guy did. He had a specific target and a specific plan. It isn't terroism, it is a hate crime.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 19, 2015 21:38:37 GMT
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 19, 2015 21:38:38 GMT
Quotes like this are what makes people who wouldn't have a problem with the database dig their heals in. I own guns (actually they are DH's). I have never killed something with a gun in my life and I don't intend to. But you find ME responsible for people who are killed? Screw that. It pushes me further from being on the gun laws bus and onto the gun rights one.
When I started at 2 peas almost 12 years ago, I was very much a gun control person. I argued with the gun rights people (some will remember) it. I advocated for registration, for background checks, for other items, but that isn't where the gun control people want to stop. They want to ban guns and that is why the gun people say no. The chipping away at rights is a slippery slope they don't want to be on.
BUT since you brought up the database, I'd like to know how it would work. Let's say I registered my .22. It shows that it is registered to me. Do you then have to shoot it and keep a bullet to match against? Just because you know I own a .22 doesn't mean you can match it to me unless you have an analysis done.
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Jun 19, 2015 21:43:00 GMT
I just can't even with Perry. WTeverlovingF?! Drugs? Not racism? Not anything else that might remotely give us a "reason" for this attrocity...drugs? Good Lord, I can't even. ![:angry:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/rpAaBAQhjSFZt4YtPRu4.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:45:23 GMT
The government is unable to manage the databases they are already in charge of. Obamacare breach. Federal Employee breach. IRS breach. IF I had a gun (which I don't, and have no plans to have one in the future) I'm not really sure I'm too excited at the thought of giving a government even more information that they can then lose or have compromised.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 19, 2015 21:45:33 GMT
Okay, I'll wade in. The thread has turned to gun control. Yes, very interesting article. As a Chicagoan, I used to frequently point out (on the old board) that gun deaths had been decreasing in Chicago for years. They were at at an all-time low just a few years ago, even as the national echo chamber about Chicago started spinning in earnest. (Yeah, mixed metaphors.) I gave up, as it became increasingly clear that the hue and cry about Chicago was often used as ammunition (heh) against the president. Now it's at a point that Chicago, which relies heavily on tourist dollars, has developed such a negative national reputation that it's starting to appear on "Worst Places to Vacation" lists - which saddens me. No, I'm not denying the problem (that's usually the response I get here) or the recent gun violence uptick here. But it's awfully fishy when Chicago becomes the singular poster child for the the most dangerous place to live (incorrect) and the failure of gun control laws. As I posted earlier, and is backed up in the article, Chicago is a gun control island. It's not as easy as "See? Chicago has strict laws and look what a battleground THAT is." Complex problems rarely have simple explanations. It's like a school district announcing a nutrition policy initiative that includes not selling soda in the school cafeteria, but there are still soda machines in every other part of the school. The ensuing health problems can not logically be blamed on the school board's policy. (Okay, bad analogy ' cause the school board runs the whole school, but work with me...) ETA: @gajenny: Unlike another poster, with whom I would not like to be linked, I am not criticizing you; I'm criticizing the the origins of the national discussion about Chicago.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:52:36 GMT
Okay, I'll wade in. The thread has turned to gun control. Yes, very interesting article. As a Chicagoan, I used to frequently point out (on the old board) that gun deaths had been decreasing in Chicago for years. They were at at an all-time low just a few years ago, even as the national echo chamber about Chicago started spinning in earnest. (Yeah, mixed metaphors.) I gave up, as it became increasingly clear that the hue and cry about Chicago was often used as ammunition (heh) against the president. Now it's at a point that Chicago, which relies heavily on tourist dollars, has developed such a negative national reputation that it's starting to appear on "Worst Places to Vacation" lists - which saddens me. No, I'm not denying the problem (that's usually the response I get here) or the recent gun violence uptick here. But it's awfully fishy when Chicago becomes the singular poster child for the the most dangerous place to live (incorrect) and the failure of gun control laws. As I posted earlier, and is backed up in the article, Chicago is a gun control island. It's not as easy as "See? Chicago has strict laws and look what a battleground THAT is." Complex problems rarely have simple explanations. It's like a school district announcing a nutrition policy initiative that includes not selling soda in the school cafeteria, but there are still soda machines in every other part of the school. The ensuing health problems can not logically be blamed on the school board's policy. (Okay, bad analogy ' cause the school board runs the whole school, but work with me...) I'm sure it's difficult to see a city you love have the reputation that Chicago has. I spent many summers near Detroit and it kills me to see what's happened to that city.
It's been said on this thread (don't recall if it was you or someone else) talking about Chicago being in such close proximity to several other states.
Los Angeles is in close proximity to Nevada, Arizona, and another dangerous drug running and violent country Mexico. NYC is in close proximity to NJ, CT and PA. Yet the numbers I posted yesterday still have Chicago having as many shootings as Los Angeles and NYC COMBINED.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 19, 2015 21:54:04 GMT
I've seen very little here to support this statement. Maybe one or two extreme people on this board but certainly not enough for you to draw a blanket conclusion like that. And frankly, that seems like exactly the sort of propaganda I've read from the NRA. Obama is coming for our guns. Hillary will come and take your guns. They fundraise on it and they get people worked up, scared and enraged when there is not one iota of evidence to back it up. I'm sure they'll fundraise on this tragedy and they'll say something very similar about how evil leftists will use this tragedy to try to take our guns. It's not true and it's a HUGE part of the problem nothing constructive ever happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:54:35 GMT
Okay, I'll wade in. The thread has turned to gun control. Yes, very interesting article. As a Chicagoan, I used to frequently point out (on the old board) that gun deaths had been decreasing in Chicago for years. They were at at an all-time low just a few years ago, even as the national echo chamber about Chicago started spinning in earnest. (Yeah, mixed metaphors.) I gave up, as it became increasingly clear that the hue and cry about Chicago was often used as ammunition (heh) against the president. Now it's at a point that Chicago, which relies heavily on tourist dollars, has developed such a negative national reputation that it's starting to appear on "Worst Places to Vacation" lists - which saddens me. No, I'm not denying the problem (that's usually the response I get here) or the recent gun violence uptick here. But it's awfully fishy when Chicago becomes the singular poster child for the the most dangerous place to live (incorrect) and the failure of gun control laws. As I posted earlier, and is backed up in the article, Chicago is a gun control island. It's not as easy as "See? Chicago has strict laws and look what a battleground THAT is." Complex problems rarely have simple explanations. It's like a school district announcing a nutrition policy initiative that includes not selling soda in the school cafeteria, but there are still soda machines in every other part of the school. The ensuing health problems can not logically be blamed on the school board's policy. (Okay, bad analogy ' cause the school board runs the whole school, but work with me...) ETA: @gajenny: Unlike another poster, with whom I would not like to be linked, I am not criticizing you; I'm criticizing the the origins of the national discussion about Chicago. Discussion is a good thing. Even if people don't agree discussion/debate is a good thing. Thought provoking even.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 21:56:15 GMT
And as much as I'd love to understand the problems/issues with Chicago gun violence, it's not me that NEEDS to understand. Our local leaders need to understand where the problems are, where the loopholes are, and they need to be remedied.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Jun 19, 2015 22:02:20 GMT
It goes there with these white killers because statistically mass shootings are done by white males. What is the ratio of white to non-white school shootings? What about opening fire in a mall or other crowded place? The mental health angle has nothing to do with white or non-white, it is about looking for was to maybe prevent this type of shit from happening when we can. Sorry I am going to be a one note band on this. It is about race, and hate. Mental health is an issue in this country. In this case it was about hate, racial hate. I think the mental health issue does have a racial bent because when a young black man shoots three people in a drive by, no one talks about mental health, they talk thugs, and drugs, and gangs. I think part of why mental health keeps getting mentioned is that it is clearly outside the bounds of "normal" psychology to think such actions are acceptable, much less to plan them and carry them out. To me at least, color or religion, what have you, does not play a part. You are just plain old sick in the head, whether you are a gang member or a white supremacist. But, personally, I think anyone who is so violent in their beliefs at the inferiority of others based on something the others can't change (like skin color) is a few fries short of a Happy Meal anyway. I don't have a problem with what someone thinks in their own head, it's when their thoughts become actions that I feel it appropriate to judge and legislate. And it's probably wrong to think this, but when I first heard of this tragedy I thought "Please let this have been something personal like a bad break-up or something, not racially motivated." I believe it is possible that sometimes the color,ethnicity, sexuality, whatever, of the victim can just be a coincidence. Sometimes people are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Post by conchita on Jun 19, 2015 22:43:26 GMT
I'm gonna give my POV. I've noticed that when blacks cry out in protest over being brutalized by cops I hear the other side say they're sick of them playing the race card. That if you act like a criminal you get treated like a criminal. And once again, their outcry of racism is denied and the blame is once again put on the victim. Or if a cop is involved it immediately goes to "Back The Blue". We all should want to weed out corruption but that's never the conversation.
I've seen the KKK ramping up their recruitment efforts. I've read their spiel online where they are quick to connect with other people who agree with them. The Minutemen are busy looking for recruits. In the same manner ISIS is proselytizing online so are our homegrown white supremacist terrorists. They've been stockpiling weapons and waiting for a race war to end all race wars. So am I surprised when a young white male with a history of racial "jokes" and drug use walks into a church and guns down its congregants simply because of their skin color? No, I am absolutely not surprised. Because I see the racism pumping through the veins of our country from state to state. It is so ingrained and institutionalized that it has become the way things naturally are. It's acceptable. And if you question it or push back against it you're playing the "race card" or considered a race baiter.
We don't need to be talking about the mental health crisis in our country regarding *this* case. It does a great injustice to those who actually struggle with mental health issues. Let's call this for what it is and stop trying to deny it or put a different face on it that makes it acceptable. It isn't a war on Christianity. It isn't about drugs. It's about racism.
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Post by Peace Sign on Jun 19, 2015 23:25:43 GMT
Agree agree and agree conchita.
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Post by thatgirlintexas on Jun 19, 2015 23:29:19 GMT
I'm gonna give my POV. I've noticed that when blacks cry out in protest over being brutalized by cops I hear the other side say they're sick of them playing the race card. That if you act like a criminal you get treated like a criminal. And once again, their outcry of racism is denied and the blame is once again put on the victim. Or if a cop is involved it immediately goes to "Back The Blue". We all should want to weed out corruption but that's never the conversation. I've seen the KKK ramping up their recruitment efforts. I've read their spiel online where they are quick to connect with other people who agree with them. The Minutemen are busy looking for recruits. In the same manner ISIS is proselytizing online so are our homegrown white supremacist terrorists. They've been stockpiling weapons and waiting for a race war to end all race wars. So am I surprised when a young white male with a history of racial "jokes" and drug use walks into a church and guns down its congregants simply because of their skin color? No, I am absolutely not surprised. Because I see the racism pumping through the veins of our country from state to state. It is so ingrained and institutionalized that it has become the way things naturally are. It's acceptable. And if you question it or push back against it you're playing the "race card" or considered a race baiter. We don't need to be talking about the mental health crisis in our country regarding *this* case. It does a great injustice to those who actually struggle with mental health issues. Let's call this for what it is and stop trying to deny it or put a different face on it that makes it acceptable. It isn't a war on Christianity. It isn't about drugs. It's about racism. PREACH!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 23:32:35 GMT
I think part of why mental health keeps getting mentioned is that it is clearly outside the bounds of "normal" psychology to think such actions are acceptable, much less to plan them and carry them out. I don't have a problem with what someone thinks in their own head, it's when their thoughts become actions that I feel it appropriate to judge and legislate. ![:yeahthat:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/yrGoHMAelQz8f2Qt0sjb.jpg)
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