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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 20:44:52 GMT
Here is a great blog post by a pastor you could put on your FB. It was very poignant for me. I have always out of respect avoided being outward in my gayness on Facebook. This weekend, I changed the profile image to the gay flag. I'm sure there were a lot of background conversations, and my mom even changed her profile picture to one of the cross on a red background instead of the equal sign. One thing to remind those who oppose gay sexuality and marriage is that the "love the sinner" euphemism isn't really working. Can you really call something love if the recipient doesn't recognize it as love. linkOf course you can. I'm quite certain that my children did not feel loved when I put them in time out, even though my actions were based in the great love I have for them. I totally believe "love the sinner" is a great way to look at issues that might arise. I admit that it is hard for me to get past some sins, and my attitude towards the people committing them is negative. That's a fault that I own, and I am trying to get past it. But for the most part, I do what I can to find some level of love for people around me, even if they aren't perfect That's very nice of you. I think where your analogy falls apart, however, is in thinking that a gay adult's legal, personal, consensual behavior is something you should have any say over. I'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive, but gay adults don't need to be treated like children who need a time out for bad behavior. Their relationships aren't any concern of yours at all, and attempting to control their relationships through legal means is anything but loving no matter how you spin it.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 29, 2015 20:44:58 GMT
Here is a great blog post by a pastor you could put on your FB. It was very poignant for me. I have always out of respect avoided being outward in my gayness on Facebook. This weekend, I changed the profile image to the gay flag. I'm sure there were a lot of background conversations, and my mom even changed her profile picture to one of the cross on a red background instead of the equal sign. One thing to remind those who oppose gay sexuality and marriage is that the "love the sinner" euphemism isn't really working. Can you really call something love if the recipient doesn't recognize it as love. linkOf course you can. I'm quite certain that my children did not feel loved when I put them in time out, even though my actions were based in the great love I have for them. I totally believe "love the sinner" is a great way to look at issues that might arise. I admit that it is hard for me to get past some sins, and my attitude towards the people committing them is negative. That's a fault that I own, and I am trying to get past it. But for the most part, I do what I can to find some level of love for people around me, even if they aren't perfect Please don't equate your gay friends and family with your misbehaving children who require correction. Well, perhaps "equate" is too strong a word. How about, please don't put both of those concepts in the same sentence. Of course jonda1974 can speak for himself, but I think he means that calling something love doesn't necessarily make it so. I'm not sure those of you espousing the hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner concept realize that it looks very hollow to the rest of us ... a kind of defensive way to say yeah, we're still good people, so don't call us haters. Or even, we really don't have a problem with gay people, but our church tells us we have to disapprove, so here's the compromise. Unfortunately, much of the time, the end result is the SOS for many young gay people. In the end, you're entitled to whatever opinion you like. But realize that an ever-growing percentage of the population just doesn't care anymore and isn't terribly impressed by I-love-you-but ...
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 21:09:50 GMT
Lol. Some of you are looking to be offended.
Think about the statement - love the sinner but hate the sin. Sin is wrongdoing. If someone believes an act is sinful they believe someone is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if YOU believe it is so.
I was addressing a simple concept that apparently confused someone. That a person can still love someone else even if she feels that someone else is committing a sin. Doesn't Matter if those people sinning are consenting adults or if they are misbehaving children.
Follow the logic and pick one argument to discuss.
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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 21:18:24 GMT
Lol. Some of you are looking to be offended. Think about the statement - love the sinner but hate the sin. Sin is wrongdoing. If someone believes an act is sinful they believe someone is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if YOU believe it is so. I was addressing a simple concept that apparently confused someone. That a person can still love someone else even if she feels that someone else is committing a sin. Doesn't Matter if those people sinning are consenting adults or if they are misbehaving children. Follow the logic and pick one argument to discuss. I was addressing your statement that equated love to a corrective action, and pointing out that while that might be appropriate for a child, it is not for an adult who is not harming anyone. Supporting legislation to apply your religious beliefs to another adult's personal life is not love. That's where the "love the sinner" part rings hollow for me.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 29, 2015 21:18:22 GMT
Lol. Some of you are looking to be offended. Think about the statement - love the sinner but hate the sin. Sin is wrongdoing. If someone believes an act is sinful they believe someone is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if YOU believe it is so. I was addressing a simple concept that apparently confused someone. That a person can still love someone else even if she feels that someone else is committing a sin. Doesn't Matter if those people sinning are consenting adults or if they are misbehaving children. Follow the logic and pick one argument to discuss. I don't think either of us is offended, but please, carry on with your smirking and condescension. Not interested in our point of view? Not a problem. Just don't be surprised when the 21st century leaves you choking on its dust.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 21:22:21 GMT
Lol. Some of you are looking to be offended. Think about the statement - love the sinner but hate the sin. Sin is wrongdoing. If someone believes an act is sinful they believe someone is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if YOU believe it is so. I was addressing a simple concept that apparently confused someone. That a person can still love someone else even if she feels that someone else is committing a sin. Doesn't Matter if those people sinning are consenting adults or if they are misbehaving children. Follow the logic and pick one argument to discuss. I was addressing your statement that equated love to a corrective action, and pointing out that while that might be appropriate for a child, it is not for an adult who is not harming anyone. Supporting legislation to apply your religious beliefs to another adult's personal life is not love. That's where the "love the sinner" part rings hollow for me. Because of YOUR opinion on the matter. From someone that truly believes that homosexuality is sinful, doing whatever you can to prevent them, discourage them, etc., from participating in that sin most definitely IS showing love.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 21:23:49 GMT
Lol. Some of you are looking to be offended. Think about the statement - love the sinner but hate the sin. Sin is wrongdoing. If someone believes an act is sinful they believe someone is doing wrong. Doesn't matter if YOU believe it is so. I was addressing a simple concept that apparently confused someone. That a person can still love someone else even if she feels that someone else is committing a sin. Doesn't Matter if those people sinning are consenting adults or if they are misbehaving children. Follow the logic and pick one argument to discuss. I don't think either of us is offended, but please, carry on with your smirking and condescension. Not interested in our point of view? Not a problem. Just don't be surprised when the 21st century leaves you choking on its dust. see - there ya go. 21st century is leaving me in the dust? LOL. I'm guessing that people that can analyze situations and see multiple sides to issues are going to fare much better in the world than those who are so close-minded that they can't see beyond their own opinions.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 29, 2015 21:28:34 GMT
I don't think either of us is offended, but please, carry on with your smirking and condescension. Not interested in our point of view? Not a problem. Just don't be surprised when the 21st century leaves you choking on its dust. see - there ya go. 21st century is leaving me in the dust? LOL. I'm guessing that people that can analyze situations and see multiple sides to issues are going to fare much better in the world than those who are so close-minded that they can't see beyond their own opinions. All righty then. Keep working on convincing people to walk away from their LGBQT "lifestyle." Good luck with that.
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 29, 2015 21:30:42 GMT
I was addressing your statement that equated love to a corrective action, and pointing out that while that might be appropriate for a child, it is not for an adult who is not harming anyone. Supporting legislation to apply your religious beliefs to another adult's personal life is not love. That's where the "love the sinner" part rings hollow for me. Because of YOUR opinion on the matter. From someone that truly believes that homosexuality is sinful, doing whatever you can to prevent them, discourage them, etc., from participating in that sin most definitely IS showing love. How dare you think this is your job! If you think that is showing love, you have a warped sense of love. Keep your nose in your own business and leave others to mind their's.
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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 21:31:26 GMT
I was addressing your statement that equated love to a corrective action, and pointing out that while that might be appropriate for a child, it is not for an adult who is not harming anyone. Supporting legislation to apply your religious beliefs to another adult's personal life is not love. That's where the "love the sinner" part rings hollow for me. Because of YOUR opinion on the matter. From someone that truly believes that homosexuality is sinful, doing whatever you can to prevent them, discourage them, etc., from participating in that sin most definitely IS showing love. Doesn't even God give people free will? Are you also supporting legislation to outlaw remarriage after divorce? To make church attendance compulsory? To make adultery punishable by law? I mean, if it's really about saving people's souls, you should be demanding that it be illegal to profess any belief system except Christianity. It's not that I can't see the situation from your side; its that the inconsistency in your (general your) attempts to prevent or discourage sin speak way more loudly than your protestations of love.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 21:35:04 GMT
see - there ya go. 21st century is leaving me in the dust? LOL. I'm guessing that people that can analyze situations and see multiple sides to issues are going to fare much better in the world than those who are so close-minded that they can't see beyond their own opinions. All righty then. Keep working on convincing people to walk away from their LGBQT "lifestyle." Good luck with that. Oh my word. Did you read that in any of my posts? Any of them? You have no clue what my opinion is on this matter. Which is proving my point exactly. It sure seems like you are assuming that since I don't jump on your side of the fence 100% I must be totally against everything you like. That type of thinking will get you nowhere. It is really quite sad. If you get nothing else from this thread, get this: people can have the same opinion (or similar) as you and STILL be able to see the opposing side's viewpoint. Again, it never ceases to amaze me when people that scream for tolerance and acceptance the most have very little to share themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 21:41:21 GMT
I was addressing your statement that equated love to a corrective action, and pointing out that while that might be appropriate for a child, it is not for an adult who is not harming anyone. Supporting legislation to apply your religious beliefs to another adult's personal life is not love. That's where the "love the sinner" part rings hollow for me. Because of YOUR opinion on the matter. From someone that truly believes that homosexuality is sinful, doing whatever you can to prevent them, discourage them, etc., from participating in that sin most definitely IS showing love. You don't get to decide that for anyone else. This is not a Christian country or theocracy of any kind.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 21:46:03 GMT
too many to address individually... So I'll say this to those that have quoted me above - I really, truly feel sorry for your inability to see varying viewpoints. I feel sad that you jump to conclusions so quickly. I mean that honestly - not trying to be snarky or condescending. It saddens me that people of this age, who presumably are raising children/voting/etc. are so quick to lash out at someone for a viewpoint, without even knowing what those viewpoints are. It is based in a willful ignorance.
FTR, I don't have any problem with homosexuality. I figure that if it is a sin, that's between God and them. Not of my concern. Two men being married doesn't affect my marriage. Can I still live in the 21st century? LOL
I do have a problem with people speaking for everyone else though. If you say something that I find illogical or untruthful, like the "love the sinner" comment, I'll voice my opinion.
It really is better to try to look at things from a variety of vantage points. To dismiss someone simply because they don't wave the same flag you do, or as wildly, is shortchanging them, and yourself.
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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 21:58:23 GMT
too many to address individually... So I'll say this to those that have quoted me above - I really, truly feel sorry for your inability to see varying viewpoints. I feel sad that you jump to conclusions so quickly. I mean that honestly - not trying to be snarky or condescending. It saddens me that people of this age, who presumably are raising children/voting/etc. are so quick to lash out at someone for a viewpoint, without even knowing what those viewpoints are. It is based in a willful ignorance. FTR, I don't have any problem with homosexuality. I figure that if it is a sin, that's between God and them. Not of my concern. Two men being married doesn't affect my marriage. Can I still live in the 21st century? LOL I do have a problem with people speaking for everyone else though. If you say something that I find illogical or untruthful, like the "love the sinner" comment, I'll voice my opinion. It really is better to try to look at things from a variety of vantage points. To dismiss someone simply because they don't wave the same flag you do, or as wildly, is shortchanging them, and yourself. Wow. Not trying to be snarky and condescending, huh? Maybe you should "not try" a little harder. I'm not dismissing anyone. I'm far from ignorant about the other side's POV - I've lived it. And moved past it. I think the "love the sinner" people are really just self-serving and hypocritical because I've been part of groups that hold that mindset. Disagreement with a certain POV doesn't have to come from ignorance. I would suggest you take your own advice and stop making assumptions about people who disagree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:01:11 GMT
too many to address individually... So I'll say this to those that have quoted me above - I really, truly feel sorry for your inability to see varying viewpoints. I feel sad that you jump to conclusions so quickly. I mean that honestly - not trying to be snarky or condescending. It saddens me that people of this age, who presumably are raising children/voting/etc. are so quick to lash out at someone for a viewpoint, without even knowing what those viewpoints are. It is based in a willful ignorance. FTR, I don't have any problem with homosexuality. I figure that if it is a sin, that's between God and them. Not of my concern. Two men being married doesn't affect my marriage. Can I still live in the 21st century? LOL I do have a problem with people speaking for everyone else though. If you say something that I find illogical or untruthful, like the "love the sinner" comment, I'll voice my opinion. It really is better to try to look at things from a variety of vantage points. To dismiss someone simply because they don't wave the same flag you do, or as wildly, is shortchanging them, and yourself. You are the one making assumptions. Not one single person here said you couldn't have your views. So lay off the indignation.
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 29, 2015 22:02:01 GMT
too many to address individually... So I'll say this to those that have quoted me above - I really, truly feel sorry for your inability to see varying viewpoints. I feel sad that you jump to conclusions so quickly. I mean that honestly - not trying to be snarky or condescending. It saddens me that people of this age, who presumably are raising children/voting/etc. are so quick to lash out at someone for a viewpoint, without even knowing what those viewpoints are. It is based in a willful ignorance. FTR, I don't have any problem with homosexuality. I figure that if it is a sin, that's between God and them. Not of my concern. Two men being married doesn't affect my marriage. Can I still live in the 21st century? LOL I do have a problem with people speaking for everyone else though. If you say something that I find illogical or untruthful, like the "love the sinner" comment, I'll voice my opinion. It really is better to try to look at things from a variety of vantage points. To dismiss someone simply because they don't wave the same flag you do, or as wildly, is shortchanging them, and yourself. I am well aware of the party line, as I was fed that hypocritical nonsense as a kid and through my teens. I know the arguments and justifications. You can believe anything you want. You can put it out there for all peadom to read. But, don't expect me to sit here and not tell you it is none of your business what other people do with their lives. Your business ends where your front door begins. You do not get an input in how other people live. I feel sorry for you that you are too busy worrying over what is going on in other people's relationships. IMO, the whole of people who are so against equality in marriage are too busy imagining what happens in others' bedrooms.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 22:02:50 GMT
too many to address individually... So I'll say this to those that have quoted me above - I really, truly feel sorry for your inability to see varying viewpoints. I feel sad that you jump to conclusions so quickly. I mean that honestly - not trying to be snarky or condescending. It saddens me that people of this age, who presumably are raising children/voting/etc. are so quick to lash out at someone for a viewpoint, without even knowing what those viewpoints are. It is based in a willful ignorance. FTR, I don't have any problem with homosexuality. I figure that if it is a sin, that's between God and them. Not of my concern. Two men being married doesn't affect my marriage. Can I still live in the 21st century? LOL I do have a problem with people speaking for everyone else though. If you say something that I find illogical or untruthful, like the "love the sinner" comment, I'll voice my opinion. It really is better to try to look at things from a variety of vantage points. To dismiss someone simply because they don't wave the same flag you do, or as wildly, is shortchanging them, and yourself. Wow. Not trying to be snarky and condescending, huh? Maybe you should "not try" a little harder. I'm not dismissing anyone. I'm far from ignorant about the other side's POV - I've lived it. And moved past it. I think the "love the sinner" people are really just self-serving and hypocritical because I've been part of groups that hold that mindset. Disagreement with a certain POV doesn't have to come from ignorance. I would suggest you take your own advice and stop making assumptions about people who disagree with you. You're absolutely correct, disagreement does not mean ignorance. I didn't state that. Refusing to see someone else's POV is willful ignorance. Assuming someone is on an opposing side simply because they didn't jump to every conclusion you have, is willful ignorance.
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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 22:07:09 GMT
Wow. Not trying to be snarky and condescending, huh? Maybe you should "not try" a little harder. I'm not dismissing anyone. I'm far from ignorant about the other side's POV - I've lived it. And moved past it. I think the "love the sinner" people are really just self-serving and hypocritical because I've been part of groups that hold that mindset. Disagreement with a certain POV doesn't have to come from ignorance. I would suggest you take your own advice and stop making assumptions about people who disagree with you. You're absolutely correct, disagreement does not mean ignorance. I didn't state that. Refusing to see someone else's POV is willful ignorance. Assuming someone is on an opposing side simply because they didn't jump to every conclusion you have, is willful ignorance. What does refusing to see someone else's point mean to you? As for my supposed assumptions in response to your statements, I'm not interested in playing devil's advocate "gotcha" games. Say what you mean plainly if you want serious discussion here.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 22:10:54 GMT
You're absolutely correct, disagreement does not mean ignorance. I didn't state that. Refusing to see someone else's POV is willful ignorance. Assuming someone is on an opposing side simply because they didn't jump to every conclusion you have, is willful ignorance. What does refusing to see someone else's point mean to you? As for my supposed assumptions in response to your statements, I'm not interested in playing devil's advocate "gotcha" games. Say what you mean plainly if you want serious discussion here. I don't really give a flip what you're interested in playing. If you are so incensed about a topic that you read "gotcha" games into someone's post, that's all on you. Refusing to see someone's point, to me, means that you automatically dismiss a perspective if it is contrary to what you want/believe. Tolerant people try to understand where others come from. Accepting people understand that other opinions can be just as valid. Try some empathy, learn more about how/why someone came to his conclusion before you totally write it off. Not everything is black or white.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:14:08 GMT
Honey a lot of us understand where you are coming from because we were raised in that environment. You can believe whatever you want. No one said you couldn't. But we don't have to agree with it nor think it is tolerant or accept it.
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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 22:21:27 GMT
What does refusing to see someone else's point mean to you? As for my supposed assumptions in response to your statements, I'm not interested in playing devil's advocate "gotcha" games. Say what you mean plainly if you want serious discussion here. I don't really give a flip what you're interested in playing. If you are so incensed about a topic that you read "gotcha" games into someone's post, that's all on you. Refusing to see someone's point, to me, means that you automatically dismiss a perspective if it is contrary to what you want/believe. Tolerant people try to understand where others come from. Accepting people understand that other opinions can be just as valid. Try some empathy, learn more about how/why someone came to his conclusion before you totally write it off. Not everything is black or white. You seem to be making the assumption that this is the first time anyone has ever tried to justify the "love the sinner" argument here or elsewhere. You have no idea what points of view I've listened to or considered, how I've considered where others come from, or really anything about me. Of course, I don't know anything about you, either, which is why I find your "gotcha" games so frustrating. Word to the wise: espousing a certain viewpoint and then saying, "oh, I don't really think that, I just wanted to show you how open-minded I am" doesn't lend you credibility. It just makes you someone whose opinion I can't trust. I can assure you that my views have been formed through decades of learning about other people's points of view. I don't need a random stranger on the Internet to swoop in and educate me, and then expect me to say "Gosh, your little trick has totally caused me to see the light!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:25:02 GMT
I think that to most of us, the Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin mantra comes off as really condescending and as I said upthread, it only seems to apply when discussing gay rights. I have NEVER heard it used in any other context. I know in the case of my DS, all he wants to hear is "I love you." No qualifiers. Nothing more has to be explained because he knows how the person feels already (whether they view him as a sinner or not).
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 29, 2015 22:26:41 GMT
My cousins spouse would be somebody who I barely know. I doubt that my cousin spouse whatever worry about me and my children when posting on Facebook. Therefore, while I may not like what they post, I would never take it personally. And I would now have a better understanding of just who this person is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:45:50 GMT
My cousins spouse would be somebody who I barely know. I doubt that my cousin spouse whatever worry about me and my children when posting on Facebook. Therefore, while I may not like what they post, I would never take it personally. And I would now have a better understanding of just who this person is. I understand that is the family dynamic in some families but as I mentioned upthread, that is not the case in our family.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 29, 2015 22:49:54 GMT
My cousins spouse would be somebody who I barely know. I doubt that my cousin spouse whatever worry about me and my children when posting on Facebook. Therefore, while I may not like what they post, I would never take it personally. And I would now have a better understanding of just who this person is. I understand that is the family dynamic in some families but as I mentioned upthread, that is not the case in our family. Sounds like too much family, at least buy one!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:52:24 GMT
I understand that is the family dynamic in some families but as I mentioned upthread, that is not the case in our family. Sounds like too much family, at least buy one! I personally couldn't imagine not having my family in my life like that. My cousins are some of my best friends. And I adore their families. To each their own.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 23:01:03 GMT
Sounds like too much family, at least buy one! I personally couldn't imagine not having my family in my life like that. My cousins are some of my best friends. And I adore their families. To each their own. It was nice growing up but since we are now finding ourselves on the opposite side of most social issues including this one, it's becoming increasingly hard. I always loved having a big extended family but over the past few years have felt really judged and not "one of them." It's really hard on my parents so we're trying to make due but DH and DS want to pull away more and more. Family dynamics can be really difficult!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 23:26:35 GMT
I don't think either of us is offended, but please, carry on with your smirking and condescension. Not interested in our point of view? Not a problem. Just don't be surprised when the 21st century leaves you choking on its dust. see - there ya go. 21st century is leaving me in the dust? LOL. I'm guessing that people that can analyze situations and see multiple sides to issues are going to fare much better in the world than those who are so close-minded that they can't see beyond their own opinions. So many of us have family on both sides of the debate that we have to be able to do that. We have to learn to see each side and not judge either side, while co-existing with all. I think that is what is getting lost in these debates is that some people understand both sides and try to explain it to those who don't, and it's being mistaken for agreeing with it and then piling on. I may be wrong, but that's what it looks like from here.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2015 23:37:31 GMT
I think that to most of us, the Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin mantra comes off as really condescending and as I said upthread, it only seems to apply when discussing gay rights. I have NEVER heard it used in any other context. I know in the case of my DS, all he wants to hear is "I love you." No qualifiers. Nothing more has to be explained because he knows how the person feels already (whether they view him as a sinner or not). Then you live in a different world than I do. Because I hear it for all sorts of sins. Mostly alcohol abuse.
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Post by Merge on Jun 29, 2015 23:41:49 GMT
see - there ya go. 21st century is leaving me in the dust? LOL. I'm guessing that people that can analyze situations and see multiple sides to issues are going to fare much better in the world than those who are so close-minded that they can't see beyond their own opinions. So many of us have family on both sides of the debate that we have to be able to do that. We have to learn to see each side and not judge either side, while co-existing with all. I think that is what is getting lost in these debates is that some people understand both sides and try to explain it to those who don't, and it's being mistaken for agreeing with it and then piling on. I may be wrong, but that's what it looks like from here. And some of us understand both sides and only agree with one of them, and it's being mistaken for willful ignorance.
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