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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2015 4:27:54 GMT
In the Donald trump thread several people said they liked him because he "wasn't so PC." Someone asked what that looked and sounded like to those who had made those comments but I think that question was buried. I am curious about it as well so thought I would start a separate thread. So, if you made comments about thinking the country was too PC, what does that mean to you?
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 11, 2015 6:37:53 GMT
He doesn't care if others are offended because they are ALWAYS gonna have their panties in a wad over something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 6:52:08 GMT
To me it means you don't shy away from talking about tough topics, standing by statements that aren't popular because you believe in them, and not letting someone else tell you how to talk and feel.
It can be blunt, it can be singular, it can said in fewer words that someone trying to throw in a bunch of disclaimers to appease different opinions. is NOT, however, a free pass to be insulting.
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Post by imkat on Aug 11, 2015 7:30:08 GMT
I agree with Julie above that it is not a free pass to be insulting. I thought this was an interesting article, where someone replaced "political correctness" with "treating people with respect." link |
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 11, 2015 11:24:43 GMT
For Trump, it's an excuse to be the racist, misogynist offensive asshole that he is. He thinks that he can get a free pass with this. He can't. There are no redeeming qualities for that sad excuse of a sack of flesh who is breathing the air and drinking the water that should be saved for other people.
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Post by hannahruth on Aug 11, 2015 11:47:46 GMT
I agree with what Julie has written.
IMHO I feel that we have been socially engineered by politicians, the media and self interest groups that if you (the general you not the personal one) disagree with the above groups then you are not PC.
People are not encouraged to express their own true opinion but to follow the line of what is being expressed by outside interest groups.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 11, 2015 12:24:25 GMT
I'm going with an excuse to be racist and misogynistic.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 11, 2015 12:36:47 GMT
What are some examples of politically correct statements?
Just using a timely example, Target's FB page is currently being overrun with semi-literate posts from people irate about Target removing gender labels from the toy and bedding sections. There are rampant complaints about political correctness, "pussification", feminazis, being overly sensitive, not following God, etc. etc. So from that example, I would say that "not so politically correct" means you believe you should have social permission to be as demeaning, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or rude as you want without being challenged by others. In other words, you want your beliefs to be socially acceptable even when society no longer deems them so.
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Post by utmr on Aug 11, 2015 12:37:31 GMT
It's an excuse to say whatever vile, hateful thing that passes through your head.
Kind of like when people say, "I don't mean to be unkind but, (insert unkind words)". They think using the first part makes it ok to say the last part. Or "I'm going to be honest with you, (insert whopper lie)".
There's a difference between having hard conversations that need to be had and spewing vile racist misogynistic garbage.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 11, 2015 12:44:26 GMT
Some examples about Target's toy labeling decision:
1. No longer a Target customer...hope you enjoy your PC customers...I am sure Bruce/Cait will be honored to do your modeling for clothes. Confusion and chaos for what...to swing with political winds. Done.
2. Target - Where Politically Correct whiny crybabies can shop, and get their credit card information stolen. I foresee a Going Out of Business sign in Target's near future.
3. Political correctness run amok at Target - I'll never shop there again. While you may have gained a few customers who are screwing up their children's gender identity, you have lost my business permanently. Well done - you can't secure your data, you can't compete with online retailers, and now you alienate a large portion of your customer base to placate the LGBT community. It was nice knowing you - Target is history....
4. I will never buy anything from a Target. Ever again...how ridiculous and OVERLY sensitive you are to a few spoiled idiots who find space and energy in their privileged first world problem filled lives to raise hell gender bashing a kids toy section. It just shows how much the pussification of this country is at an all-time high. Simply amazing and Target will never get another dime from me or anyone I know!
5. Dear Target...I read this today and will no longer be shopping at your store....BTW I am a Girl and God made me different for a reason....The Washington Post reports that Target will stop using gender specific signage in their stores. In order to be gender-neutral, they won't be separating things like toys and bedding into boys' and girls' sections. Oh really? And they won’t be using pink and blue colors to identify sexes. I think Target may be forgetting who has made their stores strong. It’s not gender-neutral people out there—it’s working American families, fathers and mothers with boys and girls they love. What’s next? Are they going to try to make people believe that pink or blue baby showers are politically incorrect? I have news for them and for everyone else—God created two different genders. Jesus said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female (Matthew 19:4). You can’t get any clearer than that. If you agree, share in the comments below—and let Target know what you think. (Guest relations 1-800-440-0680 or guest.service@target.com). Let them know that you are perfectly willing to shop where the genders God created are appreciated. Target is way off-target on this one!
And on and on and on and on...
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Post by sharlag on Aug 11, 2015 13:15:28 GMT
Sarah*H -- I wish I hadn't read that! What a crappy read for starting the day. 
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 11, 2015 13:19:57 GMT
Some examples about Target's toy labeling decision: 1. No longer a Target customer...hope you enjoy your PC customers...I am sure Bruce/Cait will be honored to do your modeling for clothes. Confusion and chaos for what...to swing with political winds. Done. 2. Target - Where Politically Correct whiny crybabies can shop, and get their credit card information stolen. I foresee a Going Out of Business sign in Target's near future. 3. Political correctness run amok at Target - I'll never shop there again. While you may have gained a few customers who are screwing up their children's gender identity, you have lost my business permanently. Well done - you can't secure your data, you can't compete with online retailers, and now you alienate a large portion of your customer base to placate the LGBT community. It was nice knowing you - Target is history.... 4. I will never buy anything from a Target. Ever again...how ridiculous and OVERLY sensitive you are to a few spoiled idiots who find space and energy in their privileged first world problem filled lives to raise hell gender bashing a kids toy section. It just shows how much the pussification of this country is at an all-time high. Simply amazing and Target will never get another dime from me or anyone I know! 5. Dear Target...I read this today and will no longer be shopping at your store....BTW I am a Girl and God made me different for a reason....The Washington Post reports that Target will stop using gender specific signage in their stores. In order to be gender-neutral, they won't be separating things like toys and bedding into boys' and girls' sections. Oh really? And they won’t be using pink and blue colors to identify sexes. I think Target may be forgetting who has made their stores strong. It’s not gender-neutral people out there—it’s working American families, fathers and mothers with boys and girls they love. What’s next? Are they going to try to make people believe that pink or blue baby showers are politically incorrect? I have news for them and for everyone else—God created two different genders. Jesus said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female (Matthew 19:4). You can’t get any clearer than that. If you agree, share in the comments below—and let Target know what you think. (Guest relations 1-800-440-0680 or guest.service@target.com). Let them know that you are perfectly willing to shop where the genders God created are appreciated. Target is way off-target on this one! And on and on and on and on... Wait. People are pissed off because they are no longer dividing things like toys into boy toys and girl toys? Wow. They are idiots. It's toys. Who cares. Oh wait. I know who cares... people who think that boys can't play with dollies and girls can't play with cars because it might make them gay. Yup. Idiots. Not worth their time. If Target still existed in Canada, I'd probably shop there more for finally being progressive and stop stupidly labelling who is supposed to play with what. |
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Post by gar on Aug 11, 2015 13:24:35 GMT
To me it means you don't shy away from talking about tough topics, standing by statements that aren't popular because you believe in them, and not letting someone else tell you how to talk and feel. It can be blunt, it can be singular, it can said in fewer words that someone trying to throw in a bunch of disclaimers to appease different opinions. is NOT, however, a free pass to be insulting. That. UK suffers with being too PC sometimes too. But there is a difference between that and being rude or insulting people under the guise of 'not being so PC'. |
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 11, 2015 13:40:26 GMT
In my opinion, a good portion of the time, "being PC" looks a lot like talking about people with respect, never mind that the term is meant to be pejorative.
It's irksome to me when folks think the alternative to stereotypically excessively limited and careful speech is to just throw out all the rules and refer to - just for example - Mexicans as drug runners and rapists.
I don't mind disagreement and I don't mind an opinion that's different than mine. I wouldn't have batted an eye if Trump had said, "I think there are some real societal problems that go along with our current immigration policy" and listed them - even if the problems he perceives include drugs and crime.
But he didn't. He said that some of them might be good people but most of them are drug runners and rapists. That's not being un-PC, that's just shooting your mouth off. And then to play it as a positive as if it just means you're willing to say the hard things, because you're not bound by the absurd restriction of political correctness? Lord help me, no.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2015 14:00:03 GMT
To me DT is not an example of not being politically correct, he's an example of just being a loud mouthed jerk.
For me not being overly PC means not having to worry about every word that comes out of our mouths. There was a thread last week or the week before that someone on the second page was offended by something in the OP. I wish I could remember what it was because it made several people shake their heads. It was exactly what people mean when they say someone will always be offended no matter what or how you say something.
I don't want to have to say 'My dog is ivory.' instead of 'My dog is white.' becuase someone might be offended by the word white.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 11, 2015 14:47:54 GMT
what is really odd...in victorian times, pink was for boys....my daughter learned that and laughed so much.. young babies wore white. boys wore pale pink and girls wore pale blue...
but then, most people have no sense of history...
and yeah..there is never an excuse for being insulting. and disrespectful
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Post by basketdiva on Aug 11, 2015 14:55:18 GMT
To me DT is not an example of not being politically correct, he's an example of just being a loud mouthed jerk. For me not being overly PC means not having to worry about every word that comes out of our mouths. There was a thread last week or the week before that someone on the second page was offended by something in the OP. I wish I could remember what it was because it made several people shake their heads. It was exactly what people mean when they say someone will always be offended no matter what or how you say something. I don't want to have to say 'My dog is ivory.' instead of 'My dog is white.' becuase someone might be offended by the word white. I started a thread last week about a notice on a menu and someone was extrememly offended by the term "cry baby" To me being overly PC is being afraid to say anything about a group of people for fear of saying the wrong thing. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2015 15:03:25 GMT
To me DT is not an example of not being politically correct, he's an example of just being a loud mouthed jerk. For me not being overly PC means not having to worry about every word that comes out of our mouths. There was a thread last week or the week before that someone on the second page was offended by something in the OP. I wish I could remember what it was because it made several people shake their heads. It was exactly what people mean when they say someone will always be offended no matter what or how you say something. I don't want to have to say 'My dog is ivory.' instead of 'My dog is white.' becuase someone might be offended by the word white. I started a thread last week about a notice on a menu and someone was extrememly offended by the term "cry baby" To me being overly PC is being afraid to say anything about a group of people for fear of saying the wrong thing. That might be the thread I'm thinking about!! It was so random and exactly what I didn't see as offensive but fits into the 'someone is always going to be offended' mindset. |
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Post by Regina Phalange on Aug 11, 2015 15:22:37 GMT
For me its more than "someone is always going to be offended." Someone is probably always going to be offended, but that doesn't mean that we throw all etiquette away and just say what we feel willy nilly.
It seems like people today are calling it being PC, when in the past it was just being polite or respectful of others. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 11, 2015 15:27:37 GMT
For the record, it doesn't offend me and I don't care if you want to use the term, but in what context would you call someone that and not intend to be demeaning or rude?
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 11, 2015 16:11:21 GMT
What are some examples of politically correct statements? Just using a timely example, Target's FB page is currently being overrun with semi-literate posts from people irate about Target removing gender labels from the toy and bedding sections. There are rampant complaints about political correctness, "pussification", feminazis, being overly sensitive, not following God, etc. etc. So from that example, I would say that "not so politically correct" means you believe you should have social permission to be as demeaning, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or rude as you want without being challenged by others. In other words, you want your beliefs to be socially acceptable even when society no longer deems them so. See I would say that Target removing the labels is an attempt to be politically correct, and the move has no real basis in need other than removing gender at all, which in some regards is prejudicial as well. Removing the labels is actually a perfect example of what pisses people off, because it wasn't necessary, and wasn't done for any other reason than to appear pretentious and above the rest. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 11, 2015 16:11:35 GMT
Sarah*H, the thread was about a notice in a restaurant menu regarding taking 'cry baby outside to soothe' or something to that effect. Perhaps poor wording, but (probably) not written to purposefully offend anyone.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 11, 2015 16:15:19 GMT
Some examples about Target's toy labeling decision: 1. No longer a Target customer...hope you enjoy your PC customers...I am sure Bruce/Cait will be honored to do your modeling for clothes. Confusion and chaos for what...to swing with political winds. Done. 2. Target - Where Politically Correct whiny crybabies can shop, and get their credit card information stolen. I foresee a Going Out of Business sign in Target's near future. 3. Political correctness run amok at Target - I'll never shop there again. While you may have gained a few customers who are screwing up their children's gender identity, you have lost my business permanently. Well done - you can't secure your data, you can't compete with online retailers, and now you alienate a large portion of your customer base to placate the LGBT community. It was nice knowing you - Target is history.... 4. I will never buy anything from a Target. Ever again...how ridiculous and OVERLY sensitive you are to a few spoiled idiots who find space and energy in their privileged first world problem filled lives to raise hell gender bashing a kids toy section. It just shows how much the pussification of this country is at an all-time high. Simply amazing and Target will never get another dime from me or anyone I know! 5. Dear Target...I read this today and will no longer be shopping at your store....BTW I am a Girl and God made me different for a reason....The Washington Post reports that Target will stop using gender specific signage in their stores. In order to be gender-neutral, they won't be separating things like toys and bedding into boys' and girls' sections. Oh really? And they won’t be using pink and blue colors to identify sexes. I think Target may be forgetting who has made their stores strong. It’s not gender-neutral people out there—it’s working American families, fathers and mothers with boys and girls they love. What’s next? Are they going to try to make people believe that pink or blue baby showers are politically incorrect? I have news for them and for everyone else—God created two different genders. Jesus said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female (Matthew 19:4). You can’t get any clearer than that. If you agree, share in the comments below—and let Target know what you think. (Guest relations 1-800-440-0680 or guest.service@target.com). Let them know that you are perfectly willing to shop where the genders God created are appreciated. Target is way off-target on this one! And on and on and on and on... The responses are disgusting, but Target was bowing to political correctness in removing the labels. It wasn't hurting anyone to have the labels, so there was no need to remove them. Removing them gives the impression that there is something wrong with gender definitions. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2015 16:23:22 GMT
What are some examples of politically correct statements? Just using a timely example, Target's FB page is currently being overrun with semi-literate posts from people irate about Target removing gender labels from the toy and bedding sections. There are rampant complaints about political correctness, "pussification", feminazis, being overly sensitive, not following God, etc. etc. So from that example, I would say that "not so politically correct" means you believe you should have social permission to be as demeaning, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or rude as you want without being challenged by others. In other words, you want your beliefs to be socially acceptable even when society no longer deems them so. See I would say that Target removing the labels is an attempt to be politically correct, and the move has no real basis in need other than removing gender at all, which in some regards is prejudicial as well. Removing the labels is actually a perfect example of what pisses people off, because it wasn't necessary, and wasn't done for any other reason than to appear pretentious and above the rest. I really don't care how Target organizes their aisles, but I assume that the intention for making things gender neutral was to be more inclusive, rather than pretentious. |
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Post by katybee on Aug 11, 2015 16:26:24 GMT
Some examples about Target's toy labeling decision: 1. No longer a Target customer...hope you enjoy your PC customers...I am sure Bruce/Cait will be honored to do your modeling for clothes. Confusion and chaos for what...to swing with political winds. Done. 2. Target - Where Politically Correct whiny crybabies can shop, and get their credit card information stolen. I foresee a Going Out of Business sign in Target's near future. 3. Political correctness run amok at Target - I'll never shop there again. While you may have gained a few customers who are screwing up their children's gender identity, you have lost my business permanently. Well done - you can't secure your data, you can't compete with online retailers, and now you alienate a large portion of your customer base to placate the LGBT community. It was nice knowing you - Target is history.... 4. I will never buy anything from a Target. Ever again...how ridiculous and OVERLY sensitive you are to a few spoiled idiots who find space and energy in their privileged first world problem filled lives to raise hell gender bashing a kids toy section. It just shows how much the pussification of this country is at an all-time high. Simply amazing and Target will never get another dime from me or anyone I know! 5. Dear Target...I read this today and will no longer be shopping at your store....BTW I am a Girl and God made me different for a reason....The Washington Post reports that Target will stop using gender specific signage in their stores. In order to be gender-neutral, they won't be separating things like toys and bedding into boys' and girls' sections. Oh really? And they won’t be using pink and blue colors to identify sexes. I think Target may be forgetting who has made their stores strong. It’s not gender-neutral people out there—it’s working American families, fathers and mothers with boys and girls they love. What’s next? Are they going to try to make people believe that pink or blue baby showers are politically incorrect? I have news for them and for everyone else—God created two different genders. Jesus said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female (Matthew 19:4). You can’t get any clearer than that. If you agree, share in the comments below—and let Target know what you think. (Guest relations 1-800-440-0680 or guest.service@target.com). Let them know that you are perfectly willing to shop where the genders God created are appreciated. Target is way off-target on this one! And on and on and on and on... The responses are disgusting, but Target was bowing to political correctness in removing the labels. It wasn't hurting anyone to have the labels, so there was no need to remove them. Removing them gives the impression that there is something wrong with gender definitions. Well then... Call me PC, because I think that having a sign that says "building toys" and then "girls building toys" is stupid… Why are they not just building toys, period? Why do girls have to play with pink Legos? And why should boys be made to feel weird for wanting to play with pink legos? Just because it wasn't hurting you doesn't mean it wasn't hurting anyone… |
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 11, 2015 16:28:34 GMT
You mean, it wasn't hurting YOU, right?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 11, 2015 16:31:26 GMT
I tend to think of being "PC" as being respectful. Purposely not saying something that would be offensive to someone, and knowing what is the current terminology to use (such as knowing that saying someone is "colored" could be offensive now). However, generally I tend to look at someone's intentions when determining if I (or anyone else) should be offended at what someone says. IMO, Donald Trump is way beyond "not PC". He is outright disrespectful, arrogant, sexist, etc. I still don't know why people would think his attitude is "refreshing". My family live in Iowa and they said there are quite a few Trump signs out in yards, so it is not just media hype.
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 11, 2015 16:33:49 GMT
I think he is trying to justify being an AHole. He tries to justify his "my way or the highway" or "You're fired" mentality.
Speaking bluntly is one thing, but being obnoxious and/or racist is another thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 16:35:12 GMT
Many people are too worried about the possibility of making someone w a different view uncomfortable. Heaven forbid anyone ever be uncomfortable.
I think attempting to Be pc is a fake respect.
if I do genuinely respect you I will be honest with you about my opinion, even if I know it's different from yours .
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Post by Regina Phalange on Aug 11, 2015 16:36:29 GMT
I tend to think of being "PC" as being respectful. Purposely not saying something that would be offensive to someone, and knowing what is the current terminology to use (such as knowing that saying someone is "colored" could be offensive now). However, generally I tend to look at someone's intentions when determining if I (or anyone else) should be offended at what someone says. IMO, Donald Trump is way beyond "not PC". He is outright disrespectful, arrogant, sexist, etc. I still don't know why people would think his attitude is "refreshing". My family live in Iowa and they said there are quite a few Trump signs out in yards, so it is not just media hype. I remember seeing a comment from a guy to the reason that "he says what he feels" that said "So does my drunk uncle but that doesn't mean he would make a good President!" lol |
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