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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 11, 2015 16:41:09 GMT
What are some examples of politically correct statements? Just using a timely example, Target's FB page is currently being overrun with semi-literate posts from people irate about Target removing gender labels from the toy and bedding sections. There are rampant complaints about political correctness, "pussification", feminazis, being overly sensitive, not following God, etc. etc. So from that example, I would say that "not so politically correct" means you believe you should have social permission to be as demeaning, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or rude as you want without being challenged by others. In other words, you want your beliefs to be socially acceptable even when society no longer deems them so. See I would say that Target removing the labels is an attempt to be politically correct, and the move has no real basis in need other than removing gender at all, which in some regards is prejudicial as well. Removing the labels is actually a perfect example of what pisses people off, because it wasn't necessary, and wasn't done for any other reason than to appear pretentious and above the rest. I don't see it that way. I see taking the boy and girl labels off the bedding and the toys - the major departments affected by this change - reflects that some boys might want My Little Pony sheets and some girls might want Cars and no matter. The boys' and girls' clothing sections will stay labeled as such because the clothes are sized and fit differently. I don't see it as eliminating gender differences, I see it as reflecting an ongoing trend away from boys' things and girls' things being thought of as quite so separate. I have a very very girly girl who wants all things pink and frilly but some of our young male friends really like MLP and to label it all as unisex is appropriate in that sense, because there's no reason to gender it. I have no real investment either way but this is one of those times where if a company is trying to be PC it doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't affect me personally - and maybe it even makes some kids feel happier because the things they like are now labeled as unisex and it gives them a sense of permission to like things that are "supposed" to be for the other gender.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 11, 2015 16:41:58 GMT
See I would say that Target removing the labels is an attempt to be politically correct, and the move has no real basis in need other than removing gender at all, which in some regards is prejudicial as well. Removing the labels is actually a perfect example of what pisses people off, because it wasn't necessary, and wasn't done for any other reason than to appear pretentious and above the rest. I really don't care how Target organizes their aisles, but I assume that the intention for making things gender neutral was to be more inclusive, rather than pretentious. It comes of as pretentious because there is nothing exclusive about gender. To say that defining boy and girl isn't inclusive says that there is something inherently wrong with those definitions, and THAT is what gets peoples knickers in a bunch. Now I'm all for breaking down barriers, but when there is really no need or exclusionary practice in place, to make changes like that signifies to many that there is something wrong initially. This is coming from the one who bought his nephews Barbie's to piss off his brother.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 11, 2015 16:43:39 GMT
A perfect example is the label African American. My coworkers got into with me because I didn't write "A/A" on a referral form but instead wrote "B." These are white women from northern states who have semi-jokingly stated that they moved down here to bring culture to the South and serve as an example @@.
Anywho, I'm not a fan of the label at all. If we must label for statistical purposes, I'm sure not going to minimize my students' nationality by giving it a qualifier. I don't write European American for my white students.
In all of the years that I've taught I've only had one student tell me that she preferred African American over black. This actually comes up with every class that I teach and by the time we discuss it, I've got a pretty good feel for my students. When I asked her why she preferred it, she told me it was because her mother told her that white people that say "black" are racists.
However, I've had several students tell me that they hate the term and want to be called black. I've had a black Irish student that gave a great mini-speech/rant about the term to my class once. Of course he didn't want to be called African American. He wasn't an American. I wish I could have recorded him.
Most of my students shrug and say something like "I'd rather you just call me Joe."
But even when I've said this to my coworkers, even after I've convinced them to ask their students themselves, they insist on saying African American. And their sole reason is because it is PC.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 11, 2015 16:45:19 GMT
See I would say that Target removing the labels is an attempt to be politically correct, and the move has no real basis in need other than removing gender at all, which in some regards is prejudicial as well. Removing the labels is actually a perfect example of what pisses people off, because it wasn't necessary, and wasn't done for any other reason than to appear pretentious and above the rest. I don't see it that way. I see taking the boy and girl labels off the bedding and the toys - the major departments affected by this change - reflects that some boys might want My Little Pony sheets and some girls might want Cars and no matter. The boys' and girls' clothing sections will stay labeled as such because the clothes are sized and fit differently. I don't see it as eliminating gender differences, I see it as reflecting an ongoing trend away from boys' things and girls' things being thought of as quite so separate. I have a very very girly girl who wants all things pink and frilly but some of our young male friends really like MLP and to label it all as unisex is appropriate in that sense, because there's no reason to gender it. I have no real investment either way but this is one of those times where if a company is trying to be PC it doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't affect me personally - and maybe it even makes some kids feel happier because the things they like are now labeled as unisex and it gives them a sense of permission to like things that are "supposed" to be for the other gender. I think that's why it pisses people off, because they really don't even think about it, until someone like Target does this, then it MAKES it a big deal, and makes it sound as if gender roles inherently have something wrong with them. I'm saying this because it is pretty much what I'm hearing from my conservative family.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2015 16:45:10 GMT
You mean, it wasn't hurting YOU, right? Because this is a PC discussion I'm going to put this out there as something I've wondered since getting my dog. Breeders give each puppy their own collar color so they can identify them. My Samoyed puppy was black boy because he was given the black collar. Now is that offensive when/if I refer to my puppy as black boy? What about red girl or yellow girl? The other puppy owners don't remember all the names of the puppies in that litter so they are often referred to by their collar color. Is it offensive of us to refer to my puppy as black boy? What about if others hear us discussing the puppies at a restaurant? This is where being PC gets muddled. People see intent where there is none and everyone around them has to worry about an innocent conversation hurting someone's feelings when it shouldn't.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 11, 2015 16:53:23 GMT
The responses are disgusting, but Target was bowing to political correctness in removing the labels. It wasn't hurting anyone to have the labels, so there was no need to remove them. Removing them gives the impression that there is something wrong with gender definitions. Well then... Call me PC, because I think that having a sign that says "building toys" and then "girls building toys" is stupid… Why are they not just building toys, period? Why do girls have to play with pink Legos? And why should boys be made to feel weird for wanting to play with pink legos? Just because it wasn't hurting you doesn't mean it wasn't hurting anyone… And that is the definition of PC. Doing something, not because there is a legitimate need to curtail something, but for the sheer fact that someone, somewhere might possibly be offended or hurt, so we consistently question ourselves, our words and our actions and alter them simply because we want to avoid any possibility that the random person, that 1 in a million is going to be upset by something. It's done not because we truly care, but because we only care what others think of us. It's fake respect.
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Post by cade387 on Aug 11, 2015 16:56:57 GMT
what is really odd...in victorian times, pink was for boys....my daughter learned that and laughed so much.. young babies wore white. boys wore pale pink and girls wore pale blue... but then, most people have no sense of history... and yeah..there is never an excuse for being insulting. and disrespectful I saw that while in Italy in 2005.... the bathrooms were in the back of a bar and there was lighting in the two hallways - one pink and one pale blue..... imagine my surprise when I went down the wrong hallway
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 11, 2015 17:04:15 GMT
A perfect example is the label African American. My coworkers got into with me because I didn't write "A/A" on a referral form but instead wrote "B." These are white women from northern states who have semi-jokingly stated that they moved down here to bring culture to the South and serve as an example @@. Good heavens, how patronizing is that??
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Post by cade387 on Aug 11, 2015 17:06:16 GMT
I don't think the term "not so PC" applies to Trump. He just isn't PC. There are some statements that are "not so PC" the statements he is making about breast feeding and others are just offensive.
In general I think people should be respectful and think of how others would feel to hear something. I don't think that is it putting anyone out to be kind. To think of the feelings of others over your own is something that is taught in many religions. A verbal version of the golden rule, if you will.
I think the lawsuits and public domain things are where it gets fuzzy for folks because we are all so different. It is hard to balance. But there is a bottom line of respect and tolerance that should occur regardless of beliefs.
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 11, 2015 17:10:41 GMT
I don't see it that way. I see taking the boy and girl labels off the bedding and the toys - the major departments affected by this change - reflects that some boys might want My Little Pony sheets and some girls might want Cars and no matter. The boys' and girls' clothing sections will stay labeled as such because the clothes are sized and fit differently. I don't see it as eliminating gender differences, I see it as reflecting an ongoing trend away from boys' things and girls' things being thought of as quite so separate. I have a very very girly girl who wants all things pink and frilly but some of our young male friends really like MLP and to label it all as unisex is appropriate in that sense, because there's no reason to gender it. I have no real investment either way but this is one of those times where if a company is trying to be PC it doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't affect me personally - and maybe it even makes some kids feel happier because the things they like are now labeled as unisex and it gives them a sense of permission to like things that are "supposed" to be for the other gender. I think that's why it pisses people off, because they really don't even think about it, until someone like Target does this, then it MAKES it a big deal, and makes it sound as if gender roles inherently have something wrong with them. I'm saying this because it is pretty much what I'm hearing from my conservative family. I guess what I would say is that some culturally enforced gender roles do have something wrong with them. Like boys' toys and girls' toys. I freaking loved Transformers when I was a kid but only played with them in secret because they were "for boys". Seems unnecessary to me, you know? So to simply stop making that statement doesn't seem like making a big deal out of anything so much as just no longer saying these things are for boys and these are for girls.
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 11, 2015 17:10:56 GMT
To me DT is not an example of not being politically correct, he's an example of just being a loud mouthed jerk. For me not being overly PC means not having to worry about every word that comes out of our mouths. There was a thread last week or the week before that someone on the second page was offended by something in the OP. I wish I could remember what it was because it made several people shake their heads. It was exactly what people mean when they say someone will always be offended no matter what or how you say something. I don't want to have to say 'My dog is ivory.' instead of 'My dog is white.' becuase someone might be offended by the word white. I started a thread last week about a notice on a menu and someone was extrememly offended by the term "cry baby" To me being overly PC is being afraid to say anything about a group of people for fear of saying the wrong thing. This is exactly why I don't care about being politically correct. At all. Not one bit. People will gripe over ANYTHING, and will NEVER be satisfied.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 11, 2015 17:23:00 GMT
A perfect example is the label African American. My coworkers got into with me because I didn't write "A/A" on a referral form but instead wrote "B." These are white women from northern states who have semi-jokingly stated that they moved down here to bring culture to the South and serve as an example @@. Good heavens, how patronizing is that?? Edit - just didn't need to go there
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Post by loco coco on Aug 11, 2015 17:25:52 GMT
I started a thread last week about a notice on a menu and someone was extrememly offended by the term "cry baby" To me being overly PC is being afraid to say anything about a group of people for fear of saying the wrong thing. This is exactly why I don't care about being politically correct. At all. Not one bit. People will gripe over ANYTHING, and will NEVER be satisfied. yep, that
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2015 17:30:57 GMT
I think that's why it pisses people off, because they really don't even think about it, until someone like Target does this, then it MAKES it a big deal, and makes it sound as if gender roles inherently have something wrong with them. I'm saying this because it is pretty much what I'm hearing from my conservative family. I guess what I would say is that some culturally enforced gender roles do have something wrong with them. Like boys' toys and girls' toys. I freaking loved Transformers when I was a kid but only played with them in secret because they were "for boys". Seems unnecessary to me, you know? But why did you only play with them in secret? Who taught you it was wrong for you to play with them? My kids have played with any type of toy they wanted regardless of whether it was my boy or my girls. Yes, my ds played with the pink barbie car and didn't think anything of it. They have never felt stuck in male or female roles as kids or as adults. I just attended a gender acceptance training and found out I'm very gender neutral. I don't see gender and/or race in everything. I used to think it was just because I had strong female role models, but for whatever reason I do not classify everything by gender. You can tell me you are having a painter, a carpenter or plumber over and I don't automatically assume that person is going to be male or female. I wonder if people that don't see gender in everything don't understand why others do see it in normal every day things. So they also don't understand why gender is or can be offensive.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Aug 11, 2015 18:05:21 GMT
Imagine walking down the car lot. There are five aisles labeled Men's Cars in manly neutrals and bright yellow and two aisles labeled Women's cars in pastels, of course. Or how about an aisle of girly looking autoparts labled "women's parts" at the auto store?
Walking down the household cleaning items. Three rows labeled Women's Clenaing supplies (with a pink background) and an endcap labled, Men's cleaning supplies ( in blues and browns).
Seems stupid, right? That is pretty much what Taregt was doing with kid's toys.
Gender lables are unnecessary with only few exceptions. People who limit their children with gender stereotypes will continue to do so by not buying Jimmy that toy kitchen because they think cooking is somehow only for women or steering him clear of the baby dolls. The signs are redundant for them. For those who don't want those stereotypes, they have one less barrier to those means.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 18:38:10 GMT
I agree with Julie. To add my thoughts...
What comes to my mind at present when I think of overweening political correctness:
When anyone turns an ordinary word into a pejorative term that translates into racism or sexism such as Mitt Romney being labeled a racist by Chris Matthews for saying the word "apartment." Also, the current trend on college campuses to label things as micro-aggressions.
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 11, 2015 18:41:35 GMT
A perfect example is the label African American. My coworkers got into with me because I didn't write "A/A" on a referral form but instead wrote "B." These are white women from northern states who have semi-jokingly stated that they moved down here to bring culture to the South and serve as an example @@. Anywho, I'm not a fan of the label at all. If we must label for statistical purposes, I'm sure not going to minimize my students' nationality by giving it a qualifier. I don't write European American for my white students. In all of the years that I've taught I've only had one student tell me that she preferred African American over black. This actually comes up with every class that I teach and by the time we discuss it, I've got a pretty good feel for my students. When I asked her why she preferred it, she told me it was because her mother told her that white people that say "black" are racists. However, I've had several students tell me that they hate the term and want to be called black. I've had a black Irish student that gave a great mini-speech/rant about the term to my class once. Of course he didn't want to be called African American. He wasn't an American. I wish I could have recorded him. Most of my students shrug and say something like "I'd rather you just call me Joe." But even when I've said this to my coworkers, even after I've convinced them to ask their students themselves, they insist on saying African American. And their sole reason is because it is PC. The reason I do not like A/A is because one can be a white A/A, or be black and not be African
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 11, 2015 18:46:28 GMT
I guess what I would say is that some culturally enforced gender roles do have something wrong with them. Like boys' toys and girls' toys. I freaking loved Transformers when I was a kid but only played with them in secret because they were "for boys". Seems unnecessary to me, you know? But why did you only play with them in secret? Who taught you it was wrong for you to play with them? My kids have played with any type of toy they wanted regardless of whether it was my boy or my girls. Yes, my ds played with the pink barbie car and didn't think anything of it. They have never felt stuck in male or female roles as kids or as adults. I just attended a gender acceptance training and found out I'm very gender neutral. I don't see gender and/or race in everything. I used to think it was just because I had strong female role models, but for whatever reason I do not classify everything by gender. You can tell me you are having a painter, a carpenter or plumber over and I don't automatically assume that person is going to be male or female. I wonder if people that don't see gender in everything don't understand why others do see it in normal every day things. So they also don't understand why gender is or can be offensive. I was a major tom boy growing up (I still would rather hang with the guys than the girls) and had toy guns, GI Joe (I hated Barbie and Ken) and I was fine--I did not do it in secret--and no one said anything to me. They were just the toys that I liked and whether they were marketed to boys or girls did not matter at all to me
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Post by originalvanillabean on Aug 11, 2015 18:54:38 GMT
"wasn't so PC" to me means you say things that either may offend your audience or say things are aren't popular opinion.
There is a right way to say anything and if you say it ugly, then that is a whole other issue.
I have a right to say anything I want, as do you. But...my right doesn't trump (forgive me) your right.
In the case of DT, it isn't about his right to speak, it's about the manner in which he does, which I find ridiculous.
OP, I think people find his willingness to say things that aren't popular, refreshing. Put aside his demeanor, and the appeal is folks are attracted to his message.
However, demeanor IS important when talking about the President of the United States, imho.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 11, 2015 18:56:03 GMT
Many people are too worried about the possibility of making someone w a different view uncomfortable. Heaven forbid anyone ever be uncomfortable. I think attempting to Be pc is a fake respect. if I do genuinely respect you I will be honest with you about my opinion, even if I know it's different from yours . Well said. I couldn't care less whether dolls and cars are displayed on the same shelves in Target's toy dept, or that they display My Little Pony bedding with Spiderman bedding. The fact that Target feels the need to announce this decision speaks volumes. The fact is: There is no way that you can suppress every little thing in the world that is going to offend someone. And why on earth would you make a change like Target is making without HAVING to do it, as jonda said? We should all be able to respect each other without agreeing with each other and/or without seeing things the same way. If we can't manage to do that, then all these changes will do nothing but confuse and annoy people.
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Post by Tamhugh on Aug 11, 2015 19:00:51 GMT
This is just in my opinion but there is usually a pretty clear line, again for me, between being not so PC and being rude/offensive. Examples which deal with current social issues:
Not so PC -- "I am opposed to same sex marriage because I believe in the Bible and in my opinion, anything outside of a Biblical marriage is a sin"
Rude/offensive -- "I am opposed to same sex marriage because it is sick and the next thing you know, they will want to marry their goats, etc" (insert any reference to freak/pedophile, or term of choice)
Not so PC -- "Before we ask why cops are killing young black men, we need to ask why so many young black men are committing crimes"
Rude/Offensive -- "maybe if black men wouldn't commit crimes they wouldn't be getting shot"
Not so PC -- "when my wife has her period, she can be a little moody and I know not to broach certain topics"
Rude/Offensive -- "what a B. She must be on the rag"
I may not agree with the not so PC statements, but at least I feel like there is room to open up dialog. The rude/offensive statements make me believe the person has nothing to offer the conversation and I am not about to have it with them. I know these are somewhat extreme examples, but they are also things I have heard or read. Donald Trump falls far more into the category of rude or offensive to me.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 11, 2015 19:03:39 GMT
See I would say that Target removing the labels is an attempt to be politically correct, and the move has no real basis in need other than removing gender at all, which in some regards is prejudicial as well. Removing the labels is actually a perfect example of what pisses people off, because it wasn't necessary, and wasn't done for any other reason than to appear pretentious and above the rest. I don't see it that way. I see taking the boy and girl labels off the bedding and the toys - the major departments affected by this change - reflects that some boys might want My Little Pony sheets and some girls might want Cars and no matter. The boys' and girls' clothing sections will stay labeled as such because the clothes are sized and fit differently. I don't see it as eliminating gender differences, I see it as reflecting an ongoing trend away from boys' things and girls' things being thought of as quite so separate. I have a very very girly girl who wants all things pink and frilly but some of our young male friends really like MLP and to label it all as unisex is appropriate in that sense, because there's no reason to gender it. I have no real investment either way but this is one of those times where if a company is trying to be PC it doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't affect me personally - and maybe it even makes some kids feel happier because the things they like are now labeled as unisex and it gives them a sense of permission to like things that are "supposed" to be for the other gender. g Exactly. It makes sense to put similar toys together. It's logical.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 11, 2015 19:07:24 GMT
A perfect example is the label African American. My coworkers got into with me because I didn't write "A/A" on a referral form but instead wrote "B." These are white women from northern states who have semi-jokingly stated that they moved down here to bring culture to the South and serve as an example @@. Anywho, I'm not a fan of the label at all. If we must label for statistical purposes, I'm sure not going to minimize my students' nationality by giving it a qualifier. I don't write European American for my white students. In all of the years that I've taught I've only had one student tell me that she preferred African American over black. This actually comes up with every class that I teach and by the time we discuss it, I've got a pretty good feel for my students. When I asked her why she preferred it, she told me it was because her mother told her that white people that say "black" are racists. However, I've had several students tell me that they hate the term and want to be called black. I've had a black Irish student that gave a great mini-speech/rant about the term to my class once. Of course he didn't want to be called African American. He wasn't an American. I wish I could have recorded him. Most of my students shrug and say something like "I'd rather you just call me Joe." But even when I've said this to my coworkers, even after I've convinced them to ask their students themselves, they insist on saying African American. And their sole reason is because it is PC. The reason I do not like A/A is because one can be a white A/A, or be black and not be African I personally know six "true" African Americans. All children of friends of mine.
One girl has a black mother from Kenya and a white father from the U.S.
One couple, from Egypt, had their baby while working here on a work visa.
Four kids are really African/European/American: Their father is from South Africa and is so fair that he gets burned badly at the start of VBS each year. His wife is from England and is almost as fair as her husband. All four of the children were born here and are thus US citizens.
Of these six kids, the only one that comes close to being "black" is the biracial girl I first listed.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2015 19:07:46 GMT
But why did you only play with them in secret? Who taught you it was wrong for you to play with them? My kids have played with any type of toy they wanted regardless of whether it was my boy or my girls. Yes, my ds played with the pink barbie car and didn't think anything of it. They have never felt stuck in male or female roles as kids or as adults. I just attended a gender acceptance training and found out I'm very gender neutral. I don't see gender and/or race in everything. I used to think it was just because I had strong female role models, but for whatever reason I do not classify everything by gender. You can tell me you are having a painter, a carpenter or plumber over and I don't automatically assume that person is going to be male or female. I wonder if people that don't see gender in everything don't understand why others do see it in normal every day things. So they also don't understand why gender is or can be offensive. I was a major tom boy growing up (I still would rather hang with the guys than the girls) and had toy guns, GI Joe (I hated Barbie and Ken) and I was fine--I did not do it in secret--and no one said anything to me. They were just the toys that I liked and whether they were marketed to boys or girls did not matter at all to me Me too Which is exactly why I'm curious how and why in secret happens. But I do think my family as a whole is very gender neutral. My mom was a house painter and worked as the only woman in a male shop until another woman joined a few years later. My grandma worked in the shipyard and was the first female apprentice there. So I do wonder if my normal is just off and that is why I don't understand why gender is such an issue. I'll buy a male car or a female car, I don't care what aisle it's on. My bicycle is a male bicycle because it's the one I liked. I'm trying to think of other male/female examples in my life but I struggle finding examples. Though my 16 yr old does have her black belt in tae kwon do and her dog is a German Shepherd Dog. So those might not be seen as feminine as her heels and favorite lace dress She was also Buzz Lightyear twice for Halloween right after she was Cinderella twice for Halloween!
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Post by smartypants71 on Aug 11, 2015 19:07:44 GMT
What are some examples of politically correct statements? Just using a timely example, Target's FB page is currently being overrun with semi-literate posts from people irate about Target removing gender labels from the toy and bedding sections. There are rampant complaints about political correctness, "pussification", feminazis, being overly sensitive, not following God, etc. etc. So from that example, I would say that "not so politically correct" means you believe you should have social permission to be as demeaning, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, or rude as you want without being challenged by others. In other words, you want your beliefs to be socially acceptable even when society no longer deems them so. Sort of off topic but definitely Target diversity-related: This is something funny I posted a few years ago that showed up today on my Facebook "On This Day" feed. I think they ended up wording the description differently once they realized how it looked
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 11, 2015 19:12:56 GMT
And that's a perfect example of being too PC. The descriptor is a good one - it is a black computer desk. It is a kid's computer desk. Why change it just because someone might raise an eyebrow?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 11, 2015 19:15:27 GMT
And that's a perfect example of being too PC. The descriptor is a good one - it is a black computer desk. It is a kid's computer desk. Why change it just because someone might raise an eyebrow? I can't see the picture on my work computer, is it similar to my black dog collar example/question? Darn blocked photos
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 11, 2015 19:17:54 GMT
Good heavens, how patronizing is that?? Hey, as they say themselves, if you follow something nasty with a chuckle, it makes it look as though you were just joking the whole time. As an uncultured southerner, I might have to follow that with a chuckle of my own and a "bless your heart."
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Aug 11, 2015 19:18:04 GMT
I think ultra PC and the aggressively anti-PC people are two sides of the same coin.
Both are intellectually and/or emotionally lazy.
Ultra PC- oh, you said something you thought was innocuous but it makes me uncomfortable and it gives me the feels. Nope, you have to shut up and make it easy for me because I'm fragile. Quote: I can't read/hear that, it "triggers" me. Check your privilege. Meaning: I can't be challenged in any way because I'm supposed to be mollycoddled, and I like feeling intellectually superior to others.
Aggressively anti-PC- Oh, you want me to think before I speak and try not to hurt people with my words? Nope, you have to shut up because it makes me uncomfortable and I don't want to be challenged on my beliefs. Quote: Shut up you pussy. I was just joking. This is 'Murica! Meaning: I can't be challenged in anyway because I like the privileges I have and I don't want to think about hard stuff. Also, I like feelings of moral superiority I have to others.
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Dalai Mama
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La Pea Boheme
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 11, 2015 19:29:32 GMT
I really don't care how Target organizes their aisles, but I assume that the intention for making things gender neutral was to be more inclusive, rather than pretentious. It comes of as pretentious because there is nothing exclusive about gender. To say that defining boy and girl isn't inclusive says that there is something inherently wrong with those definitions, and THAT is what gets peoples knickers in a bunch. Now I'm all for breaking down barriers, but when there is really no need or exclusionary practice in place, to make changes like that signifies to many that there is something wrong initially. This is coming from the one who bought his nephews Barbie's to piss off his brother. Unless you're non-binary.
But really, that's neither here nor there because they are not saying that there is anything inherently wrong with defining gender but that there is something inherently wrong with defining gender roles. And as someone who never followed the script, I can't argue with that. Sure, I played with cars, had an awesome chemistry set, and kicked ass at baseball but it was always in spite of the role that society expected me to play and I definitely felt the stigma.
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