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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 17, 2014 16:51:07 GMT
I think it is irresponsible of the media to speculate with no facts. So dangerous. Tired of it. What part is media speculation? The Ukraine's foreign minister is saying that the plane was shot down by a Buk launcher. There are people on the ground at the site. What the media are doing is reporting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 16:53:23 GMT
I think it is irresponsible of the media to speculate with no facts. So dangerous. Tired of it. What part is media speculation? The Ukraine's foreign minister is saying that the plane was shot down by a Buk launcher. There are people on the ground at the site. What the media is doing is reporting. Because the story is still unfolding. It is not clear what happened and this is a very volatile situation. Caution should be used by the media. But sadly it is a race for ratings. Safety and facts be damned. |
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Post by suzastampin on Jul 17, 2014 16:55:01 GMT
When they first started reporting this crash, one of the airline analysts was taking about the one that went down a couple of months ago. He said that that one now appears to have been a hijacking. I hadn't heard this before.
So tragic to have another one.
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Post by Jubel on Jul 17, 2014 16:55:11 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 17, 2014 17:00:17 GMT
What part is media speculation? The Ukraine's foreign minister is saying that the plane was shot down by a Buk launcher. There are people on the ground at the site. What the media is doing is reporting. Because the story is still unfolding. It is not clear what happened and this is a very volatile situation. Caution should be used by the media. But sadly it is a race for ratings. Safety and facts be damned. Of course it's still unfolding; it just happened. It will probably be unfolding for weeks. Expecting them to sit on the story until they have all of the facts is unrealistic. They are reporting the facts as they are revealed. Fact: the plane went down. Fact: the office of the Ukrainian foreign minister is reporting it was shot down by pro-Russian separatists. Fact: the airline is reporting that there were 280 passengers and 15 crew on board. They aren't speculating here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:02:41 GMT
Because the story is still unfolding. It is not clear what happened and this is a very volatile situation. Caution should be used by the media. But sadly it is a race for ratings. Safety and facts be damned. Of course it's still unfolding; it just happened. It will probably be unfolding for weeks. Expecting them to sit on the story until they have all of the facts is unrealistic. They are reporting the facts as they are revealed. Fact: the plane went down. Fact: the office of the Ukrainian foreign minister is reporting it was shot down by pro-Russian separatists. Fact: the airline is reporting that there were 280 passengers and 15 crew on board. They aren't speculating here. And I disagree. They were speculating it was shot down before any facts were out and those facts are still murky at best. I find it irresponsible. My view. You don't have to share it. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 17, 2014 17:05:01 GMT
Well, that's why we're having the discussion, because we disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:08:44 GMT
Alrighty then.
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Post by dualmaestra on Jul 17, 2014 17:11:42 GMT
Horrible news  |
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Post by huskergal on Jul 17, 2014 17:14:53 GMT
How horrible for the people on the plane! This could be very bad internationally.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 17, 2014 17:16:26 GMT
Of course it's still unfolding; it just happened. It will probably be unfolding for weeks. Expecting them to sit on the story until they have all of the facts is unrealistic. They are reporting the facts as they are revealed. Fact: the plane went down. Fact: the office of the Ukrainian foreign minister is reporting it was shot down by pro-Russian separatists. Fact: the airline is reporting that there were 280 passengers and 15 crew on board. They aren't speculating here. And I disagree. They were speculating it was shot down before any facts were out and those facts are still murky at best. I find it irresponsible. My view. You don't have to share it. Sounds like maybe you should turn the TV off for a few days/months until more concrete facts are known and properly reported.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:19:25 GMT
And I disagree. They were speculating it was shot down before any facts were out and those facts are still murky at best. I find it irresponsible. My view. You don't have to share it. Sounds like maybe you should turn the TV off for a few days/months until more concrete facts are known and properly reported. Wow. Uh yeah no. I just think the media needs to be more cautious. I've thought this and said this for years. My best friend was informed of family members that died from the media even though they were told NOT to give info until the authorities were able to contact them. The media is all about the ratings now. No class anymore, no honor, just a race to see who can report things the fastest no matter if it is true or now. It's sad. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 17, 2014 17:23:50 GMT
And, again, since you're putting it out there, I don't think that the media are doing anything irresponsible in this instance. The last Malaysian Airlines crash? A complete media clusterfuck. This one? Not yet, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:24:10 GMT
I think it is okay for the media to say....we don't know exactly what is going on. A plane has crashed, we are waiting for it to unfold. The public does not need to know every rumor, innuendo and possibility immediately. That is one thing that is wrong with the public these days. They feel it is their right to know everything instantly truth be damned.
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2014 17:30:21 GMT
I think it is okay for the media to say....we don't know exactly what is going on. A plane has crashed, we are waiting for it to unfold. The public does not need to know every rumor, innuendo and possibility immediately. That is one thing that is wrong with the public these days. They feel it is their right to know everything instantly truth be damned. So, which fact should they wait to report? How long should the media wait to report FACTS, not speculation? And why? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:32:36 GMT
I think it is okay for the media to say....we don't know exactly what is going on. A plane has crashed, we are waiting for it to unfold. The public does not need to know every rumor, innuendo and possibility immediately. That is one thing that is wrong with the public these days. They feel it is their right to know everything instantly truth be damned. So, which fact should they wait to report? How long should the media wait to report FACTS, not speculation? And why? You know what forget it. I'm feeling very hurt today for my friend so excuse me for being a little pissy. The whole shooting down the plane hits way too close to home. I should've just walked away. I won't be back. Sorry again. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2014 17:38:35 GMT
So, which fact should they wait to report? How long should the media wait to report FACTS, not speculation? And why? You know what forget it. I'm feeling very hurt today for my friend so excuse me for being a little pissy. The whole shooting down the plane hits way too close to home. I should've just walked away. I won't be back. Sorry again. I hope that the rest of your day goes better and that you feel better too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 17:48:27 GMT
I have friends due to fly Malaysian Airlines to Kuala Lumpur next month. Scary ... and praying it's just "bad luck" (not the right phrase, of course, because it's too flip, but I can't come up with a closer one) for Malaysian Airlines and not some kind of targeting for that country or airline.
The world changes quickly.
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Post by gar on Jul 17, 2014 17:55:25 GMT
News here saying 23 Americans and 9 British.......  |
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Post by magentapea on Jul 17, 2014 18:00:20 GMT
I think it is irresponsible of the media to speculate with no facts. So dangerous. Tired of it. Normally, I agree with this. The media is obnoxious in their misreporting of information and deeming it as fact before it has been confirmed. In this case, though they are reporting that the plane went down, and that the Ukraine government says it was shot down. They reported it as being shot down because that is what the government said happened. The only speculation I've heard so far is who may be responsible for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 18:00:43 GMT
"I think it is okay for the media to say....we don't know exactly what is going on. A plane has crashed, we are waiting for it to unfold. The public does not need to know every rumor, innuendo and possibility immediately. That is one thing that is wrong with the public these days. They feel it is their right to know everything instantly truth be damned."
I'm the public. I want to know of the possibilities. That doesn't make me wrong or entitled to know, just means I'm curious.
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 17, 2014 18:48:09 GMT
Interesting to me is how Putin was on the phone with Obama. And Putin is like, "Oh, by the way... Plane down in Ukraine."
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity.
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Post by AN on Jul 17, 2014 18:52:08 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. Why? I'm asking sincerely, not snarkily. I think it's very appropriate for him to offer condolences to the families, particularly of the Americans, and any support requested by the countries involved, but why would it be his responsibility or opportunity to lead through this? I don't really think the United States needs to be the leader in every international issue. |
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 17, 2014 18:58:17 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. Why? I'm asking sincerely, not snarkily. I think it's very appropriate for him to offer condolences to the families, particularly of the Americans, and any support requested by the countries involved, but why would it be his responsibility or opportunity to lead through this? I don't really think the United States needs to be the leader in every international issue. I'm not suggesting we go in guns a blazing and take the entire lead on this. The world is watching this. We don't have the facts yet. Obama and Putin were on the phone discussing sanctions against Russia. I just think that President Obama has the opportunity to lead the US through this. Does that make sense? |
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Post by AN on Jul 17, 2014 19:02:14 GMT
Why? I'm asking sincerely, not snarkily. I think it's very appropriate for him to offer condolences to the families, particularly of the Americans, and any support requested by the countries involved, but why would it be his responsibility or opportunity to lead through this? I don't really think the United States needs to be the leader in every international issue. I'm not suggesting we go in guns a blazing and take the entire lead on this. The world is watching this. We don't have the facts yet. Obama and Putin were on the phone discussing sanctions against Russia. I just think that President Obama has the opportunity to lead the US through this. Does that make sense? Honestly, no, I don't really understand what you're saying. What specific actions do you think he should take that would demonstrate appropriate leadership? Convene and send an investigation committee? Meet with the families? Hold multiple press conferences as information is uncovered? Vow to take military action against those that are found responsible, if it was indeed shot down? |
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Post by straggler on Jul 17, 2014 19:06:58 GMT
It's all under control. Malaysia is launching an investigation. Russia has the black box. The POTUS is attending fundraisers tonight. Yes, I am being facetious!
So sorry for the families of passengers & crew!
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Post by gar on Jul 17, 2014 19:08:39 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. Do you mean show leadership to the American people or to the other countries who may be involved in this incident? |
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 17, 2014 19:08:52 GMT
I'm not suggesting we go in guns a blazing and take the entire lead on this. The world is watching this. We don't have the facts yet. Obama and Putin were on the phone discussing sanctions against Russia. I just think that President Obama has the opportunity to lead the US through this. Does that make sense? Honestly, no, I don't really understand what you're saying. What specific actions do you think he should take that would demonstrate appropriate leadership? Convene and send an investigation committee? Meet with the families? Hold multiple press conferences as information is uncovered? Vow to take military action against those that are found responsible, if it was indeed shot down? At the present time, nothing more than what you already mentioned. In the days to come? Wait and see. Be ready. Lots of "ifs" right now. I'm sorry if I'm not communicating clearly what I'm thinking. Discussing world events and political implications is not my strong suit. |
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 17, 2014 19:11:28 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. Do you mean show leadership to the American people or to the other countries who may be involved in this incident? To the American people. And as the facts are revealed, lead appropriately. |
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Post by oaksong on Jul 17, 2014 19:13:25 GMT
Wow. It makes you wonder even more about the previous missing Malaysian aircraft. Shooting down a random plane flying overhead makes even less sense that most crazy terrorist attacks. What a tragic development.
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