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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 1:20:14 GMT
Fox News reporting that the United States confirmed that air to surface missile took down the airliner and the black boxes are on their way to Russia. Now we will never know the entire truth. The black boxes won't reveal anything of value, so I don't see how it's a big deal. It wasn't something within the plane that downed it, so any information in the flight recorders isn't going to tell us who did it.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Jul 18, 2014 3:29:09 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. A lost opportunity. Was happy to do some fundraising. Very disappointing.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 18, 2014 3:40:40 GMT
I agree that the black box most likely won't reveal anything of value. The news reports I have heard say that there was no distress call at all, which implies that whatever happened was very sudden. I have also heard reports that, as others have mentioned, this may have been an accident - as in whoever shot the plane down (if in fact that is what happened) thought they were shooting down a military plane rather than a passenger plane. The airspace was not closed to air traffic, and I think that is something that needs to be addressed at some stage seeing that there have been incidents in that region lately. Another thought...... this is bound to have a massive negative impact on Malaysian Airlines after the other plane went missing. Even though this one is most likely not their fault, surely people will think twice before booking a flight on a Malaysian plane in the future. Feeling sick and heartbroken for all the families of the people on board this plane.
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Post by stampinchick on Jul 18, 2014 3:48:48 GMT
Fox News reporting that the United States confirmed that air to surface missile took down the airliner and the black boxes are on their way to Russia. Now we will never know the entire truth. The black boxes won't reveal anything of value, so I don't see how it's a big deal. It wasn't something within the plane that downed it, so any information in the flight recorders isn't going to tell us who did it. I was listening to news coverage this afternoon and they said that even if it was a missile that took down the plane the black boxes can still provide info. They said that in the case of the plane that went down years ago off the coast of NY the voice recorder had a very abrupt end and they could detect a sound at the very end. Because of the tone of the sound they determined it was an explosion onboard rather than a missile that took down that plane.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 18, 2014 4:05:53 GMT
The black boxes won't reveal anything of value, so I don't see how it's a big deal. It wasn't something within the plane that downed it, so any information in the flight recorders isn't going to tell us who did it. I was listening to news coverage this afternoon and they said that even if it was a missile that took down the plane the black boxes can still provide info. They said that in the case of the plane that went down years ago off the coast of NY the voice recorder had a very abrupt end and they could detect a sound at the very end. Because of the tone of the sound they determined it was an explosion onboard rather than a missile that took down that plane.
Agreed, 100%. It doesn't matter what they believe may have caused any plane crash; I've never once heard an NTSB agent call a black box as not providing anything of value.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 18, 2014 4:07:38 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. A lost opportunity. Was happy to do some fundraising. Very disappointing. I hope that's sarcasm? I'm still not understanding why he's leading us through this. I'm sad about the lost lives, but this hasn't affected me in any way, shape, or form, and I imagine the same can be said for 99% of Americans. We haven't even confirmed if there was an American on board...
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 18, 2014 4:08:06 GMT
Why does every tragedy in the world have to be about the US anyway?
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Post by greenlegume on Jul 18, 2014 4:35:51 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. A lost opportunity. Was happy to do some fundraising. Very disappointing.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 18, 2014 4:44:52 GMT
Fox News reporting that the United States confirmed that air to surface missile took down the airliner and the black boxes are on their way to Russia. Now we will never know the entire truth. The black boxes won't reveal anything of value, so I don't see how it's a big deal. It wasn't something within the plane that downed it, so any information in the flight recorders isn't going to tell us who did it. However, if the explosion didn't occur until the plane hit the ground, as video I have seen has shown, then there could be information to be gleaned from it. The video shows that there wasn't a trail of smoke behind the plane as it hit the ground so the black box could still have been recording.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 18, 2014 4:45:30 GMT
Why does every tragedy in the world have to be about the US anyway? It's my opinion that anytime Americans are killed, it's about the US.
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 18, 2014 5:04:44 GMT
Why does every tragedy in the world have to be about the US anyway? Every tragedy? Or every terrorist activity? It's not all about the US. Do you think that this will have zero impact on US relations with Russia? If, indeed, it pans out the way it sounds?
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Post by nickit83 on Jul 18, 2014 5:34:20 GMT
I had some moments of panic this morning when I heard the news. My Dad and stepmum are due to fly out of Europe. I knew that they were most recently in London but they did fly via Amsterdam on the way over. I was 99.99% sure that wasn't the flight they were on, but that small bit of doubt over several hours gives you plenty of time to work yourself up. Have since heard from them and they fly out soon and are safe. Will be thankful when they are home.
My thoughts go out to all effected by this tragedy.
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Post by Aprilsweetpea on Jul 18, 2014 6:44:08 GMT
I had some moments of panic this morning when I heard the news. My Dad and stepmum are due to fly out of Europe. I knew that they were most recently in London but they did fly via Amsterdam on the way over. I was 99.99% sure that wasn't the flight they were on, but that small bit of doubt over several hours gives you plenty of time to work yourself up. Have since heard from them and they fly out soon and are safe. Will be thankful when they are home. My thoughts go out to all effected by this tragedy. So glad they are safe! You must have been so worried for a while. We flew near that airspace to come home to Australia last week and are so grateful and relieved and blessed to be with our families again. My deepest sympathies to those families whose loved ones will not be coming home again.
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Post by gar on Jul 18, 2014 6:49:27 GMT
I'm surprised commercial airlines were still flying there; they knew planes had been shot down recently and that the pro-Russian supporters had missiles that could fire that high. While it may have been an 'accident' that whoever shot it down didn't realise they were shooting a commercial plane, there has to be some questions as to why the plane was even flying there. My heart goes out to the families. Commercial airlines were banned from being in the airspace below a certain height. This plane was apparently 2000ft above that minimum height.
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Post by duopenotti on Jul 18, 2014 6:52:14 GMT
I work at a university... Just found out one of our professors was on board. It just gets sadder and sadder I am so sorry Juliet!! I thought my friends and their kid were on the plane, but they are leaving today. So is my co-worker and her family.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 18, 2014 7:18:51 GMT
I really hope that POTUS will lead through this. He has an incredible opportunity. A lost opportunity. Was happy to do some fundraising. Very disappointing. Please, write the script for us - in your ideal world, what was his response supposed to look like?
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Post by juliet on Jul 18, 2014 7:31:49 GMT
I work at a university... Just found out one of our professors was on board. It just gets sadder and sadder I am so sorry Juliet!! I thought my friends and their kid were on the plane, but they are leaving today. So is my co-worker and her family. Glad they weren't on it Liesbeth! The news has struck our students hard, so much sadness all around.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jul 18, 2014 8:56:08 GMT
I'm in Melbourne and we have an International AIDS conference here next week. The news here is saying this plane was headed to Australia with a number of AIDS experts on board who were going to the conference. From the conference website: linkSo tragic for everyone involved. Oh my goodness, that makes a sad, tragic situation worse in some respects - now the world has lost some important specialised expertise as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 11:14:00 GMT
My heart goes out to all the victims, their families and loved ones. I have no words. We lost at least 154 Dutch citizens today. Thinking of all the Dutch families and also other nationalities that have lost loved ones in this despicable, senseless act.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 11:32:04 GMT
Why does every tragedy in the world have to be about the US anyway? Every tragedy? Or every terrorist activity? It's not all about the US. Do you think that this will have zero impact on US relations with Russia? If, indeed, it pans out the way it sounds? Why do you think it's only US relations that will be damaged? Do you think the European Union is going to sit back and take no action when 196 of it's citizens have been killed in this mindless act!
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jul 18, 2014 11:56:21 GMT
The world is especially nuts right now. So much violence, senseless, de-humanising violence. Sadly, I can see global conflagration in my lifetime, and I am not young.
Prayers for all affected.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 11:57:01 GMT
If the explosion didn't occur until the plane hit the ground, as video I have seen has shown, then there could be information to be gleaned from it. The video shows that there wasn't a trail of smoke behind the plane as it hit the ground so the black box could still have been recording. Oh, I'm sure that something might be gleaned from it, but the US, Russia, and Malaysia all agree that it was shot down. They have evidence of a missile being shot at that position at that time (I think I read heat traces?) The plane exploded in the air -- witnesses saw bodies and debris falling from the sky. They've identified the type of Russian missile, but it's not clear who fired it. I read in the paper that the route is a very well-traveled path between Europe and Eastern Asian major cities (shortest route and all.) About 300 planes per day use it. It's not just Malaysian planes that fly there. So very sad. All those families.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 12:03:27 GMT
Dani, none of us should have to write a script for the man purported to be the smartest man to ever walk the earth, the man that was going to heal the ills of all the world with his mere presence at 1600 pen ave. The man who just claimed that the world was more tranquil than ever thanks to his brilliant aura.
Besides, a real leader already wrote and delivered the speech that Obama should have given - Ronald Reagan after the KAL plane was shot down by Russia. THAT is leadership.
You seem to forget that the POTUS has historically been the leader of the free world. The souls on that plane were innocent citizens of that free world. Yes, the POTUS is supposed to lead all of is thru crises like this. But our boy wonder has no interest in getting his hands dirty, does he? He can't let anything stand in his way of fundraising and demonizing republicans whole convincing his butt kissers that he is a reasonable man who just wants to play nice.
Iraq is still burning, Israel and Hamas are escalating, the border crises is getting worse, and this plane...and Obama cant miss his fundraiser.
I have never been more ashamed of this country and the people who still can't see the damage this man-child has done to us, and to the entire world.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 18, 2014 12:19:42 GMT
Dani, none of us should have to write a script for the man purported to be the smartest man to ever walk the earth, the man that was going to heal the ills of all the world with his mere presence at 1600 pen ave. The man who just claimed that the world was more tranquil than ever thanks to his brilliant aura. Besides, a real leader already wrote and delivered the speech that Obama should have given - Ronald Reagan after the KAL plane was shot down by Russia. THAT is leadership. You seem to forget that the POTUS has historically been the leader of the free world. The souls on that plane were innocent citizens of that free world. Yes, the POTUS is supposed to lead all of is thru crises like this. But our boy wonder has no interest in getting his hands dirty, does he? He can't let anything stand in his way of fundraising and demonizing republicans whole convincing his butt kissers that he is a reasonable man who just wants to play nice. Iraq is still burning, Israel and Hamas are escalating, the border crises is getting worse, and this plane...and Obama cant miss his fundraiser. I have never been more ashamed of this country and the people who still can't see the damage this man-child has done to us, and to the entire world. That was me, not Dani. When I said, "Write the script", I was asking what exactly, in Anna's ideal world, the president would have done differently in the last 24 hours. He's offered help, he's condemned the act, he's pledged to get to the bottom of the incident. Exactly as Mark Rutte and Tony Abbott have. And, as a Canadian, I don't see the President as the 'leader of the free world'. That tends to be an American thing.
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Post by Kelpea on Jul 18, 2014 12:27:46 GMT
My uncle heads up the Molecular Retrovirology Lab at UW. He's one of those who travels the circuit for HIV. He's on the west coast so I can't reach him at the moment. I am staying calm, but still a bit nervous. He will be devastated at the loss of so many of his colleagues.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jul 18, 2014 12:30:17 GMT
You seem to forget that the POTUS has historically been the leader of the free world. The souls on that plane were innocent citizens of that free world. Yes, the POTUS is supposed to lead all of is thru crises like this. Just an observation here. I personally think that statement is a very arrogant way of looking at the world! I doubt very much that the POTUS has historically been regarded as the leader of the free world though that may be the American thinking. No other government is waiting to follow the USA lead in this.....they have all instigated their own thoughts and courses of action already and don't need to have anyone speak for them. To be honest, I think that the countries with people involved in this tragedy would be insulted if they thought they had to wait for the US to take the lead.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 18, 2014 12:36:32 GMT
If the explosion didn't occur until the plane hit the ground, as video I have seen has shown, then there could be information to be gleaned from it. The video shows that there wasn't a trail of smoke behind the plane as it hit the ground so the black box could still have been recording. Oh, I'm sure that something might be gleaned from it, but the US, Russia, and Malaysia all agree that it was shot down. They have evidence of a missile being shot at that position at that time (I think I read heat traces?) The plane exploded in the air -- witnesses saw bodies and debris falling from the sky. They've identified the type of Russian missile, but it's not clear who fired it. I read in the paper that the route is a very well-traveled path between Europe and Eastern Asian major cities (shortest route and all.) About 300 planes per day use it. It's not just Malaysian planes that fly there. So very sad. All those families. That's true. However there has been speculation, and it's just speculation, that there was an "event" onboard the plane. Any information they can glean from the black box to dispute that is one less theory Russia can use to deflect the truth. The black box needs to be turned over to trusted authorities before any information on it is destroyed and, hopefully, there's enough on it to confirm what we believe happened.
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 18, 2014 12:41:22 GMT
You seem to forget that the POTUS has historically been the leader of the free world. The souls on that plane were innocent citizens of that free world. Yes, the POTUS is supposed to lead all of is thru crises like this. Just an observation here. I personally think that statement is a very arrogant way of looking at the world! I doubt very much that the POTUS has historically been regarded as the leader of the free world though that may be the American thinking. No other government is waiting to follow the USA lead in this.....they have all instigated their own thoughts and courses of action already and don't need to have anyone speak for them. To be honest, I think that the countries with people involved in this tragedy would be insulted if they thought they had to wait for the US to take the lead. What she... and Dalai said. Your POTUS is the leader of the United States, not the world. It's a very American-centric view to think that one leader of a country that is only affected because some Americans were on board, should lead the world through the crisis. Do you think that all the other leaders of the world are incapable buffoons who couldn't possible manage without having their hand held by the American leader?
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Post by grinningcat on Jul 18, 2014 12:42:57 GMT
Oh, I'm sure that something might be gleaned from it, but the US, Russia, and Malaysia all agree that it was shot down. They have evidence of a missile being shot at that position at that time (I think I read heat traces?) The plane exploded in the air -- witnesses saw bodies and debris falling from the sky. They've identified the type of Russian missile, but it's not clear who fired it. I read in the paper that the route is a very well-traveled path between Europe and Eastern Asian major cities (shortest route and all.) About 300 planes per day use it. It's not just Malaysian planes that fly there. So very sad. All those families. That's true. However there has been speculation, and it's just speculation, that there was an "event" onboard the plane. Any information they can glean from the black box to dispute that is one less theory Russia can use to deflect the truth. The black box needs to be turned over to trusted authorities before any information on it is destroyed and, hopefully, there's enough on it to confirm what we believe happened. I thought it was reported that the pilot didn't even have a chance to send a mayday. That doesn't seem to give creedence to an event happening onboard the aircraft.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 18, 2014 12:53:02 GMT
That's true. However there has been speculation, and it's just speculation, that there was an "event" onboard the plane. Any information they can glean from the black box to dispute that is one less theory Russia can use to deflect the truth. The black box needs to be turned over to trusted authorities before any information on it is destroyed and, hopefully, there's enough on it to confirm what we believe happened. I thought it was reported that the pilot didn't even have a chance to send a mayday. That doesn't seem to give creedence to an event happening onboard the aircraft. Malaysia Airlines is reporting that the pilot signed off before he entered the Ukrainian airspace. And you're right, there wasn't a mayday, but I'm still hoping that there is some worthwhile information recorded to confirm what we believe happened. ETA: I'm not speculating there was an event but those are the words that Malaysia Airlines used in their first response.
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