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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 18:06:52 GMT
She didn't lie, that video exists. I just saw it. Wish I didn't. I have not watched every Planned Parenthood video in full. But I've read analysis by those who have, and I believe them when they say no such video exists. If it does exist, it is not one of the Planned Parenthood videos that have been released. Maybe you can link the video you watched here so we can figure out what's going on. If the video you describe exists (the one in which a living child is delivered and then murdered for body parts), AND if it is legitimate which of course must be determined by law enforcement professionals, then this is a very serious crime, not a simple defunding matter. Once again, I question the existence of a video proving Planned Parenthood complicity in delivering and then murdering babies, a very different thing from performing legal abortions. It is one of the Planned Parenthood videos and it does have footage of a live baby in a bowl with the forceps. It does need to be investigated but Carly did not lie, there is footage like she described.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 20, 2015 3:52:00 GMT
I have not watched every Planned Parenthood video in full. But I've read analysis by those who have, and I believe them when they say no such video exists. If it does exist, it is not one of the Planned Parenthood videos that have been released. Maybe you can link the video you watched here so we can figure out what's going on. If the video you describe exists (the one in which a living child is delivered and then murdered for body parts), AND if it is legitimate which of course must be determined by law enforcement professionals, then this is a very serious crime, not a simple defunding matter. Once again, I question the existence of a video proving Planned Parenthood complicity in delivering and then murdering babies, a very different thing from performing legal abortions. It is one of the Planned Parenthood videos and it does have footage of a live baby in a bowl with the forceps. It does need to be investigated but Carly did not lie, there is footage like she described. According to Politifact, it is stock footage that was NOT taped by the Center for Medical Progress but was inserted by them to illustrate the narrative being told by the woman mentioned earlier. There is no indication of where this footage comes from, how old it is, or whether it has a single solitary thing to do with Planned Parenthood. It was not part of their undercover interviews and videotaping. There is no claim that it was taped by the woman making the claims against Planned Parenthood. It was only included to arouse the emotions of people who are looking for things to hate about PP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 7:43:58 GMT
It is one of the Planned Parenthood videos and it does have footage of a live baby in a bowl with the forceps. It does need to be investigated but Carly did not lie, there is footage like she described. According to Politifact, it is stock footage that was NOT taped by the Center for Medical Progress but was inserted by them to illustrate the narrative being told by the woman mentioned earlier. There is no indication of where this footage comes from, how old it is, or whether it has a single solitary thing to do with Planned Parenthood. It was not part of their undercover interviews and videotaping. There is no claim that it was taped by the woman making the claims against Planned Parenthood. It was only included to arouse the emotions of people who are looking for things to hate about PP. Well, it worked on Carly. Like I said the footage does exist and she did not lie.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 20, 2015 8:17:07 GMT
According to Politifact, it is stock footage that was NOT taped by the Center for Medical Progress but was inserted by them to illustrate the narrative being told by the woman mentioned earlier. There is no indication of where this footage comes from, how old it is, or whether it has a single solitary thing to do with Planned Parenthood. It was not part of their undercover interviews and videotaping. There is no claim that it was taped by the woman making the claims against Planned Parenthood. It was only included to arouse the emotions of people who are looking for things to hate about PP. Well, it worked on Carly. Like I said the footage does exist and she did not lie. She claimed the footage showed this terrible murder happening without repercussions at Planned Parenthood. She used it as a reason to shut down Planned Parenthood. It's all a lie perpetrated by people who will do or say absolutely anything to get their own way. She chose not to use her vaunted brain to figure out it was all a lie, and instead used it as a cudgel against abortion rights. And you are backing her up. You want to fight against abortion rights, you are perfectly entitled to do so. But don't perpetuate a lie and claim it's the truth. That's what Carly did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 12:52:32 GMT
Carly absolutely did lie about what she said. Fact Check
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 14:08:48 GMT
An amusing little tweet hit my timeline. It seems Carly is aware PolitiFact gave her a "Mostly False" for her comments about "The Video" during the debate. On Fox News Sunday she told whoever that the fact checkers at PolitiFact hadn't watch "The Video" .
PolitiFact tweeted that wasn't true and provided the link for their original article that talked about why she got a "Mostly False" in the first place.
It doesn't exactly say who watched the video but it was obvious to anyone who reads the article, well except Carly, that someone at the organization had indeed watched "The Video".
I think as Carly spends more time in the public spotlight folks will find out that she really doesn't get much right.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 20, 2015 14:14:11 GMT
Once delivered and breathing, it wouldn't be a fetus anymore. It would be a living, breathing baby. This supposed former PP employee is describing outright first-degree murder which apparently she decided not to tell anyone about until the anti-abortion-rights thugs interviewed her. Where are the police? Where is the homicide investigation? I don't believe crap out of this woman's mouth unless and until it is verified by a legitimate source. ETA and it is irresponsible, to say the least, for Carly Fiorina to repeat this crap as if she witnessed it with her own eyes. She accuses Hilary Clinton of lying but that is one very obvious whopper on her part. She didn't lie, that video exists. I just saw it. Wish I didn't. You are wrong, plain and simple. I'm not going to link as the truth is in the previous posts links. Carly Fiorina is a lying liar who lies!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 20:19:47 GMT
Carly absolutely did lie about what she said. Fact CheckYou absolutely right. There is no one saying anywhere on that video that we have to keep it alive to harvest it's brain. What is on the video is the PP person in the restaurant talking about how and why some of the doctors administer a certain drug to insure death before the procedure (to avoid breaking the law of a live partial birth abortion) Then there is another clip of someone describing that for tissue harvesting that you can't use that drug because it will affect the tissue. Again, you're right no one says anywhere that you have to keep it alive to harvest. There is also the interview with Holly O'Donnell only describing the gruesome details of when she was trained to harvest the brain from a baby and when she knew she couldn't do this job anymore. She says the baby's heart was still beating and it's leg was kicking when they did it. They cut to footage of a baby in a bowl with the forceps with it's leg kicking. From her detailed description of everything that happened, you are absolutely right, I'm fairly certain the footage of the baby in the bowl was not taken by Holly and more than likely not connected to the procedure she performed in any way. But, that is what Carly was referring to and that does exist.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 20, 2015 22:28:37 GMT
So basically because there's no proof that footage shown in the video was shot at Planned Parenthood, FactCheck is calling it mostly false? It was clearly a video to discredit Planned Parenthood as it's mentioned by name, it was clearly a live fetus and a tech is discussing removing it's brains. Sorry calling her a liar is ridiculous. You can say she shouldn't be swayed by edited videos. But there's clearly a video about Planned Parenthood that shows that scene. To say this video isn't about Planned Parenthood and she's a liar is ridiculous (STRONG WARNING OF GRAPHIC CONTENT): www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMAycMMXp8
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2015 4:42:07 GMT
So basically because there's no proof that footage shown in the video was shot at Planned Parenthood, FactCheck is calling it mostly false? It was clearly a video to discredit Planned Parenthood as it's mentioned by name, it was clearly a live fetus and a tech is discussing removing it's brains. Sorry calling her a liar is ridiculous. You can say she shouldn't be swayed by edited videos. But there's clearly a video about Planned Parenthood that shows that scene. To say this video isn't about Planned Parenthood and she's a liar is ridiculous (STRONG WARNING OF GRAPHIC CONTENT): www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMAycMMXp8What the heck, Darcy Collins? There's a hit piece video aimed at taking down Planned Parenthood. There are clips of PP doctors and an interview with a woman who is making claims about what happened at PP when she worked there. There is footage of a supposed live birth that was clearly NOT shot by the video producers and no information is given about where it comes from. None of this is evidence. It is propaganda. I can't believe you're defending Carly Fiorina's claims based on "well, she saw it on a video so that must mean it's true." Let me know when there's a legitimate, honest investigation of these claims by professionals and then I'll show some interest in what Carly Fiorina has to say. As of today, her claim that that poor baby in a bowl is from a Planned Parenthood abortion is a L.I.E.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 21, 2015 13:45:05 GMT
So basically because there's no proof that footage shown in the video was shot at Planned Parenthood, FactCheck is calling it mostly false? It was clearly a video to discredit Planned Parenthood as it's mentioned by name, it was clearly a live fetus and a tech is discussing removing it's brains. Sorry calling her a liar is ridiculous. You can say she shouldn't be swayed by edited videos. But there's clearly a video about Planned Parenthood that shows that scene. To say this video isn't about Planned Parenthood and she's a liar is ridiculous (STRONG WARNING OF GRAPHIC CONTENT): www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMAycMMXp8What the heck, Darcy Collins? There's a hit piece video aimed at taking down Planned Parenthood. There are clips of PP doctors and an interview with a woman who is making claims about what happened at PP when she worked there. There is footage of a supposed live birth that was clearly NOT shot by the video producers and no information is given about where it comes from. None of this is evidence. It is propaganda. I can't believe you're defending Carly Fiorina's claims based on "well, she saw it on a video so that must mean it's true." Let me know when there's a legitimate, honest investigation of these claims by professionals and then I'll show some interest in what Carly Fiorina has to say. As of today, her claim that that poor baby in a bowl is from a Planned Parenthood abortion is a L.I.E. I fully acknowledged in my post that it was an edited video. I've found that the word LIE has now just become a partisan hit job. Most of the loudest and most vocal people on this thread that it's a lie are the same who will do mental gymanstics to claim that President Obama's - you can keep your plan wasn't a lie. I find it hypocritical. Her entire statement was about the moral character of this nation. You can fully disagree with her that abortion isn't against the moral character of this nation - but I'll be honest - if you watch those videos in their entirety, it's extremely difficult to argue that Planned Parenthood has the moral high ground (and I'm pro-choice). I will continue to support a woman's right to choose an abortion if it's the right choice for HER. I will continue to vehemently support birth control and even federal funding of birth control. But, I am not opposed to the current bill defunding Planned Parenthood if they continue to offer abortion services, and don't think Carly lied about it being a moral issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 15:25:32 GMT
That's rich Carly is concerned about the moral character of this country. I suspect as Carly spends more time in the spotlight others will see she doesn't have much moral character herself.
First as disturbing as these videos are there is no third party confirmation that the information is totally correct. When you look at who made the videos and the fact that videos and people can be manipulated it makes sense to get that third party verification. But for those who see taking down PP as another strike at abortions choose to believe PP is guilty until proven innocent and not innocent until proven guilty. Second let's look at who would suffer if the Republicans have their way and withhold funding for PP. Funding is in the form of Medicaid payments. There are those who say if PP is shut down women can go elsewhere for medical care, For some maybe but for those who are on Medicaid maybe not as not all doctors, clinics, or hospitals take Medicaid payments. What are these women suppose to do for medical care if they can't find a place that will take Medicaid payments? I know the generous Republicans only want to withhold funding for a year but to women who's only choice is PP because they are on Medicaid what are they suppose to do? Wait a year? Isn't early detection the key to avoiding serious illness?
I think we have another example how Republicans don't care about the poor.
Back to the information on those videos. If it is found that some folks at PP did indeed break the laws or were selling tissue for profit then of course they need to be dealt with. But the next question that should be asked if it is found there is some wrongdoing is this the policy for all PP clinics or just a couple of bad apples? If it is just a few who have stepped over the line should ALL PP clinics have Medicaid payments withheld?
I'll say this once again. The folks who made the videos have one goal and that is to stop abortions. The Republicans in Congress have the same goal and it's clear that neither of these groups care how it's done as long as they can stop abortions.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2015 16:55:48 GMT
What the heck, Darcy Collins? There's a hit piece video aimed at taking down Planned Parenthood. There are clips of PP doctors and an interview with a woman who is making claims about what happened at PP when she worked there. There is footage of a supposed live birth that was clearly NOT shot by the video producers and no information is given about where it comes from. None of this is evidence. It is propaganda. I can't believe you're defending Carly Fiorina's claims based on "well, she saw it on a video so that must mean it's true." Let me know when there's a legitimate, honest investigation of these claims by professionals and then I'll show some interest in what Carly Fiorina has to say. As of today, her claim that that poor baby in a bowl is from a Planned Parenthood abortion is a L.I.E. I fully acknowledged in my post that it was an edited video. I've found that the word LIE has now just become a partisan hit job. Most of the loudest and most vocal people on this thread that it's a lie are the same who will do mental gymanstics to claim that President Obama's - you can keep your plan wasn't a lie. I find it hypocritical. Her entire statement was about the moral character of this nation. You can fully disagree with her that abortion isn't against the moral character of this nation - but I'll be honest - if you watch those videos in their entirety, it's extremely difficult to argue that Planned Parenthood has the moral high ground (and I'm pro-choice). I will continue to support a woman's right to choose an abortion if it's the right choice for HER. I will continue to vehemently support birth control and even federal funding of birth control. But, I am not opposed to the current bill defunding Planned Parenthood if they continue to offer abortion services, and don't think Carly lied about it being a moral issue. I have no argument with most of what you're saying here, but I do want to say I'm extremely sparing in my use of the words lie and liar. I think it's a serious charge that gets tossed around freely every time someone says something we disagree with. For example, I don't ever make the claim that Pres. Bush lied about WMD to get us into the Iraq war. I believe he was mistaken, that he wanted evidence to support a war and too easily accepted what came his way ... but I don't think he knew the truth and lied about it. So when I say I believe Carly Fiorina was lying about what's on those videos, I fully believe it.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2015 16:58:15 GMT
Carly is a liar. linkFrom the link: "But the image she described isn’t in any of the videos released by the antiabortion group. Instead, one video from the group depicts a former employee of a tissue procurement company stating what she says she saw at a Planned Parenthood clinic. There was never any video that depicted, as Ms. Fiorina stated, a live fetus on a table being prepared for organ harvesting." NO she is NOT. Fiorina said at the debate Debate transcript"I would like to link these two issues, both of which are incredibly important, Iran and Planned Parenthood.
One has something to do with the defense of the security of this nation. The other has something to do with the defense of the character of this nation."and"As regards Planned Parenthood, anyone who has watched this videotape, I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes. Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, it’s heart beating, it’s legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.
This is about the character of our nation, and if we will not stand up in and force President Obama to veto this bill, shame on us."That is not a lie. She saw the video where she watched them show a fetus on the table, after explaining that they do not kill the fetus before the procedure with digoxin, because it poisons the tissues, so yes they have to keep it alive to harvest it's brain. She told the truth of what SHE saw. It's the same thing you can watch right here: She did NOT she say that she saw "a live fetus on a table being prepared for organ harvesting" Fiorina is not the liar. She described actually what she saw, the claim she said otherwise is the lie. She attributed that scene to Planned Parenthood, and used it as an excuse to defund PP. She is smart and sophisticated enough to know better. She lied.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 17:53:49 GMT
I agree. I also think that there is no need for the government to be supporting Planned Parenthood financially. And if it's so important for the government to give money to them, let those that support PP be the ones to give their own money to them. Supposedly they are non-profit, so donate if you want PP to have money. link
And here we have another one who wants to punish people because they are poor. I didn't fully understand how the Federal Government was funding PP so I decided to find out. It's through Medicaid payments in various ways as the attached article from NPR explained. You say you don't think the Federal Government should be supporting PP financially and since the financing is Medicaid payments are you also saying you are against Medicaid in general? That for the poor people who don't have money to buy insurance or pay for medical treatment it's "oh well"? In this rush to punish PP for what may or may not be factual information on those videos because some are against abortions some forget or don't care about those who will be hurt by eliminating Medicaid payments to PP. The poor.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 21, 2015 18:21:39 GMT
I agree. I also think that there is no need for the government to be supporting Planned Parenthood financially. And if it's so important for the government to give money to them, let those that support PP be the ones to give their own money to them. Supposedly they are non-profit, so donate if you want PP to have money. link
And here we have another one who wants to punish people because they are poor. I didn't fully understand how the Federal Government was funding PP so I decided to find out. It's through Medicaid payments in various ways as the attached article from NPR explained. You say you don't think the Federal Government should be supporting PP financially and since the financing is Medicaid payments are you also saying you are against Medicaid in general? That for the poor people who don't have money to buy insurance or pay for medical treatment it's "oh well"? In this rush to punish PP for what may or may not be factual information on those videos because some are against abortions some forget or don't care about those who will be hurt by eliminating Medicaid payments to PP. The poor. You're completely ignoring the fact that the bill specifically mentions moving that money from PP to other health providers to provide those services. Clearly those voting for it realize that there is a need for Medicaid payments despite your partisan rant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 18:39:46 GMT
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And here we have another one who wants to punish people because they are poor. I didn't fully understand how the Federal Government was funding PP so I decided to find out. It's through Medicaid payments in various ways as the attached article from NPR explained. You say you don't think the Federal Government should be supporting PP financially and since the financing is Medicaid payments are you also saying you are against Medicaid in general? That for the poor people who don't have money to buy insurance or pay for medical treatment it's "oh well"? In this rush to punish PP for what may or may not be factual information on those videos because some are against abortions some forget or don't care about those who will be hurt by eliminating Medicaid payments to PP. The poor. You're completely ignoring the fact that the bill specifically mentions moving that money from PP to other health providers to provide those services. Clearly those voting for it realize that there is a need for Medicaid payments despite your partisan rant. And you may not understand that not every clinic, hospital, or doctor accepts Medicaid payments. So what is your answer to those organization who don't now accept Medicaid? That they are forced to accept Medicaid to fill the void that will be created if PP will no longer receives Medicaid payments? There is a reason that PP exists. Because very few want to treat the poor. Because there is no money in it. What some are trying to do is make this a black and white situation when it fact there is a lot of grey involved. So can it with what you believe is a partisan rant and look at the big picture.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 19:49:43 GMT
Carly did LIE.....she lied about that video, she lied about her tenure at HP....she's a liar who lies.....despite the partisan rants on this thread to the contrary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 20:20:30 GMT
I've found that the word LIE has now just become a partisan hit job. Most of the loudest and most vocal people on this thread that it's a lie are the same who will do mental gymanstics to claim that President Obama's - you can keep your plan wasn't a lie. I find it hypocritical.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 20:47:21 GMT
Carly did LIE.....she lied about that video, she lied about her tenure at HP....she's a liar who lies.....despite the partisan rants on this thread to the contrary. As @jacqab said: That is not a lie. She saw the video where she watched them show a fetus on the table, after explaining that they do not kill the fetus before the procedure with digoxin, because it poisons the tissues, so yes they have to keep it alive to harvest it's brain. She told the truth of what SHE saw. It's the same thing you can watch right here: "she watched them show a fetus on the table, after a clip explaining that they do not kill the fetus before the procedure with digoxin, because it poisons the tissues" = “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while in a clip someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.” That video does exist, she did watch it, and anyone claiming other wise is grasping desperately. Why? I don't know. You basing your accusation that she lied that the scene exists, on the red part is not mental gymnastics, that's some mental bullshit, right there.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2015 22:47:08 GMT
Once delivered and breathing, it wouldn't be a fetus anymore. It would be a living, breathing baby. This supposed former PP employee is describing outright first-degree murder which apparently she decided not to tell anyone about until the anti-abortion-rights thugs interviewed her. Where are the police? Where is the homicide investigation? I don't believe crap out of this woman's mouth unless and until it is verified by a legitimate source. ETA and it is irresponsible, to say the least, for Carly Fiorina to repeat this crap as if she witnessed it with her own eyes. She accuses Hilary Clinton of lying but that is one very obvious whopper on her part. Nope, that's not what happened. Might want to watch the video before claiming supposedly what it did. She blamed Planned Parenthood for the baby in the bowl. The baby in the bowl was not from Planned Parenthood. The video is a lie. She is repeating the lie. She is at least theoretically intelligent enough to understand it's a lie, but she's spouting it anyway because it makes a great sound bite. That makes her a liar.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 21, 2015 22:51:51 GMT
Carly did LIE.....she lied about that video, she lied about her tenure at HP....she's a liar who lies.....despite the partisan rants on this thread to the contrary. As @jacqab said: That is not a lie. She saw the video where she watched them show a fetus on the table, after explaining that they do not kill the fetus before the procedure with digoxin, because it poisons the tissues, so yes they have to keep it alive to harvest it's brain. She told the truth of what SHE saw. It's the same thing you can watch right here: "she watched them show a fetus on the table, after a clip explaining that they do not kill the fetus before the procedure with digoxin, because it poisons the tissues" = “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while in a clip someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.” That video does exist, she did watch it, and anyone claiming other wise is grasping desperately. Why? I don't know. You basing your accusation that she lied that the scene exists, on the red part is not mental gymnastics, that's some mental bullshit, right there. Would you not expect your president to have the basic intelligence needed to view a video and see that it is a hit piece produced with an agenda in mind, not unbiased reporting? I would, and I believe Carly Fiorina is certainly smart enough to know the difference. She knows that the video team was not in a Planned Parenthood operating room taping them committing murder. Therefore, she accepted their bullsh*t cut-and-paste hit job and is spreading that lie (yes, LIE) as fast and as loud as she can. I am not the one doing mental gymnastics here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 23:16:07 GMT
Nope, that's not what happened. Might want to watch the video before claiming supposedly what it did. This was the charge... Now that that's been shown to be a false accusation, you've changed the charge. You still don't know if Holly O'Donnell isn't telling the truth. The more you post the more it shows Darcy called it right when she said "I've found that the word LIE has now just become a partisan hit job." It may turn out that Carly isn't the right person for the job for whatever reason, but this ain't it.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 22, 2015 0:18:48 GMT
Nope, that's not what happened. Might want to watch the video before claiming supposedly what it did. She blamed Planned Parenthood for the baby in the bowl. The baby in the bowl was not from Planned Parenthood. The video is a lie. She is repeating the lie. She is at least theoretically intelligent enough to understand it's a lie, but she's spouting it anyway because it makes a great sound bite. That makes her a liar. I also stand by my statement - she IS a lying liar who lied
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 0:42:25 GMT
She blamed Planned Parenthood for the baby in the bowl. The baby in the bowl was not from Planned Parenthood. The video is a lie. She is repeating the lie. She is at least theoretically intelligent enough to understand it's a lie, but she's spouting it anyway because it makes a great sound bite. That makes her a liar. I also stand by my statement - she IS a lying liar who lied If only you had something substantive to back up your statement. Something besides a smiley pointing at something someone else has said, that's already been debunked.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 22, 2015 7:28:41 GMT
This was the charge... Now that that's been shown to be a false accusation, you've changed the charge. You still don't know if Holly O'Donnell isn't telling the truth. The more you post the more it shows Darcy called it right when she said "I've found that the word LIE has now just become a partisan hit job." It may turn out that Carly isn't the right person for the job for whatever reason, but this ain't it. Back somewhere earlier in this thread, days ago, I said the first thing. Since then I have seen more information that has fine-tuned my understanding of the details of the situation. That doesn't change the big picture. Carly Fiorina still lied about Planned Parenthood.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 22, 2015 9:53:25 GMT
She was factually wrong to attribute it to PP. And that is important because conservatives are using incorrect and misleading information to try to defund PP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 20:08:49 GMT
This was the charge... Now that that's been shown to be a false accusation, you've changed the charge. You still don't know if Holly O'Donnell isn't telling the truth. The more you post the more it shows Darcy called it right when she said "I've found that the word LIE has now just become a partisan hit job." It may turn out that Carly isn't the right person for the job for whatever reason, but this ain't it. Back somewhere earlier in this thread, days ago, I said the first thing. Since then I have seen more information that has fine-tuned my understanding of the details of the situation. That doesn't change the big picture. Carly Fiorina still lied about Planned Parenthood. We'll have to agree to disagree then, because until we have the investigation and determine whether or not Holly O'Donnell is telling the truth about whether or not they harvested the brain of a baby from a live birth, we don't know.
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Post by blondiec47 on Sept 22, 2015 20:11:40 GMT
Carly did LIE.....she lied about that video, she lied about her tenure at HP....she's a liar who lies.....despite the partisan rants on this thread to the contrary. But Hillary is AOK?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 20:27:15 GMT
Carly did LIE.....she lied about that video, she lied about her tenure at HP....she's a liar who lies.....despite the partisan rants on this thread to the contrary. But Hillary is AOK? Hillary lied about Planned Parenthood? Is this a "but she did it first" thing or a "gotcha" thing?...either way, it was pretty lame because I didn't realize this thread was about Hillary Clinton. Reading the title and the most of the posts, I wouldn't have known that she was involved in that circus.
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