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Post by ellen on Jan 9, 2016 4:16:30 GMT
She'll start planning her wedding and will figure out that what she wants is very expensive. It's not your job to make her expensive wedding happen. If you want to contribute an amount, you can. I would attach some strings to it and say that you will pay x amount to a caterer. That way you know the money is going toward something that will benefit all the guests. It would bug me if I gave someone $10K for a wedding and they spent half of it on a dress and were cheap with what they offered their guests. She and your son will have to save for the dream wedding or come up with a cheaper plan if they want to get married sooner. They're young and have plenty of time, so I wouldn't worry about it. They're allowed to dream big for a while and then reality will set in. You don't have to rain on the parade. That will happen on its own.
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Post by FurryP on Jan 9, 2016 4:17:45 GMT
LOL, I guess you could say you really nailed it!  Or should I say, crazy4scraps, you crack me up. LOL
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Post by jenn on Jan 9, 2016 4:25:01 GMT
Oh Steph, how frustrating! I'm sorry!
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Post by Belia on Jan 9, 2016 4:31:22 GMT
I think you need to take about 25 steps back. Waaaaaaay back.
At this point it's all talk. I would NOT send that text. I would not initiate any conversations about this topic. I would smile and nod and be 1000% noncommittal when they talk about Disney weddings and $5K dresses. "Hmmm. That sounds lovely. Pass the chips and salsa, please." and "Do you think you'll get enough extra hours at work to cover that?"
I would respond the exact same way that I would respond if, say, my hairdresser was talking about her wedding. Smile and nod.
If they ask you for money, I would simply repeat the deal you made in August. "Just like I told you before, when one of you graduates we will give you $X." Repeat, repeat, repeat. (FTR, I do think you and your DH need to firm up that amount now.)
What the lovebirds want is completely irrelevant to you. What her family can afford to pay is completely irrelevant to you. All that matters is 1. how much you are willing to gift them, and 2. what conditions, if any, you will put on that gift (no $$$ until graduation, mor emoney if they wait until 2017, etc).
That's it. The rest of it doesn't matter.
Don't initiate, don't ask questions, don't weigh in with an opinion.
As you can probably tell, I'm sitting on the "They're adults.... they can figure it out for themselves" bench.
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Post by fuji on Jan 9, 2016 4:32:07 GMT
I would tell them now what you are willing to give. A flat out, set dollar amount. Let them figure out the rest. The longer she goes thinking the princess wedding is a possibility, the more upset and disappointed she will be (with you, DS, whomever) when she realizes it isn't going to happen.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 9, 2016 4:35:12 GMT
Do you have an amount set already? Not asking for the amount, but make sure you are prepared when the situation arises.
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Post by mlynn on Jan 9, 2016 4:45:32 GMT
UPDATE:
I posted yesterday I think she will want a "Princess Wedding"...well I nailed it.
SHE WANTS TO GET MARRIED AT DISNEYLAND!
yes...she actually said it and has requested the wedding information.
I didn't say a word because honestly I was speechless. She tried to tell me it would "only be $5,000" but I got back to my office and looked it up and it starts at $5,000 and goes up up up. What she said she wanted puts it up to $10,000. Here's the link so you can die right along with me....
Disney Weddings
I asked what her parents thought about it and she said the couldn't afford it and she should get married at their church for free. She doesn't want that...she wants Disneyland. I asked what her parents were able to contribute and she said "not much" and an Aunt said she could give "a little bit"....that doesn't equal $10K that's for sure. There is no way we are footing the bill for a Disneyland Wedding...nope nope nope.
I left the lunch very opened ended. I didn't promise anything. I wanted to say "hell no" but I didn't.
As we were leaving she told me she found a wedding dress she liked but it was $5,000. At that point I did tell her she was going to have to start saving a lot of money or lower her expectations.
I'm still speechless over the Disneyland thing. I went to the site. The $5,000 weddings are not available at tis time. So they start at $12,000 at this time. Not to mention airfare and lodging.
I would have asked them how much they can put aside for the wadding each month Then I would translate that into a wedding date. For instance, if they say $200/month..So you plan on getting married in the winter of 2020?(5,000 + 5,000)/200/12=50 months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 4:46:52 GMT
Do you have an amount set already? Not asking for the amount, but make sure you are prepared when the situation arises. We do have an amount we are prepared to give. We haven't told them yet but I know we need to especially after today's lunch conversation. By the way...I didn't send the text.
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Post by mlynn on Jan 9, 2016 5:04:51 GMT
Here is what I would like to text her - does this sound okay? "I was on the Disney website and for what you are wanting your looking at $20,000. Unfortunately that price isn't in anyone's budget but I think you could incorporate some Disney ideas or concepts into a wedding in town that would fit into a better budget for us and your parents. I would be happy to help you out with ideas if you would like." I would not text this (or anything). Let them come to their own realizations. Do not be the rain on their parade, or you will be the target of their disappointment. Killing the messenger and all. Just leave it alone and let things unfold as they will. They have not asked you to foot the bill, so do not go there. But you an be prepared wit your response for wen tey do ask. SOmetin alon te lines of...
As much as we would love to give you the wedding of your dreams, it is way outside of our budget. Dad and I will talk it over and see what we would be able to contribute when one of you graduates.
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Post by mlynn on Jan 9, 2016 5:35:23 GMT
I would not give the money over up front. If so, it will probably go to the dress and if they break up, she gets the sole benefit of it. I like the idea of it going to the caterer or venue or something so it isn't paid until closer to the event. Or maybe set up an xccount and pay out as they match funds.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Jan 9, 2016 5:48:38 GMT
At least she isn't planning a castle wedding (starting at $25,000).  You already told them you would give them X amount towards the wedding, when one of them graduates from collage. Sounds like you have until 2017 to make X a number. Unless the two families are going to decide on a common number they are going to contribute to the wedding, why would it matter what the brides family is contributing? They have their number, you have yours, and the rest is on the bride and groom. My in laws contributed $0. They didn't host the rehearsal dinner. My MIL insisted all 3 of DH little brothers be in the wedding (4, 10,12), and then told us WE were paying for their tux rentals. DH and I were 20 when we got married. We celebrated 34 years together yesterday, and 28 years married, last June. I hope this all turns out better, than it feels like right now. (Hugs)
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 9, 2016 6:10:24 GMT
I would tell them now what you are willing to give. A flat out, set dollar amount. Let them figure out the rest. The longer she goes thinking the princess wedding is a possibility, the more upset and disappointed she will be (with you, DS, whomever) when she realizes it isn't going to happen. I agree with this completely. That should nip this Disney wedding / $5000 wedding dress nonsense in the bud right away. No point in allowing them to make all these ridiculous plans (possibly assuming you'll be forking out a fair bit for it) when it's not actually going to happen.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 9, 2016 6:22:28 GMT
Holy shit, now granted, I don't come from an affluent family, spending this
Evening Sleeping Beauty's Castle Ceremony and Small World Reception - $120,000***
as a BASE price of this package blows my mind.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jan 9, 2016 6:38:02 GMT
Girl wants a wedding, not a marriage.
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Post by miominmio on Jan 9, 2016 8:47:57 GMT
So she expects you to pay (at least) $15.000? I'm speechless.....
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Post by pelirroja on Jan 9, 2016 14:24:43 GMT
The bigger concern here is not really the wedding expenses (which are ginormous) but I would be worried as to the amount of financial pressure your son is going to be under with her. She seems to be lacking a firm grip of what financial reality is and what a budget looks like.
Your son is going to have to jump thru hoops the rest of his life to please her. He's going to have a very hard road ahead of him. I wonder if what he does for her will ever be "enough" in her eyes. I wish you all the best.
BTW, I think you did really well in letting her know she's going to have to consider saving and/or revising her expectations: that was a very good way to put it. I don't think I could have given as calm or gentle a response as you did.
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Post by sunraynnc on Jan 9, 2016 15:20:27 GMT
OP: Have you had the bride's parents over to your home for a meal?
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Post by julieb on Jan 9, 2016 16:00:08 GMT
What I see happening is they (and by "they" I mean the Bride) will stomp her feet and go ahead and plan the wedding of her fairytale dreams. Your ds and Cinderella will then be handed a bill and the bill will be handed to you.
You definitely need to be firm in your conversations of what you are contributing. I would find it hard to just hand over a check without knowing what they are doing with it. Again, they could overspend and want you to foot the remainder.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 16:15:36 GMT
OP: Have you had the bride's parents over to your home for a meal? No but we need to and soon.
DS texted me this morning. GF mentioned the Disneyland thing to her parents last night and her dad went through the roof. He told her she could get married in their church and have the wedding there and that's all he is paying for.
I don't have the be the bad person and say no - YAY!
I asked DS if they would get a dollar commitment from her parents sometime in the next month and then we can sit down and talk.
DH had mentioned they could get married in our backyard so that may be back on the table. Or a small beach wedding - she had commented on how much she loved where we got married (we got married in Carmel on the beach). DS said she really wants my input because her mom isn't "into stuff like this".
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 9, 2016 16:27:22 GMT
Totally not surprised that she wants a disney wedding. I went nosing around the wedding at disney page and in addition to finding that prices are WAY higher than she thinks (I'm sure she'll want Cinderella's crystal coach  ) I did find some promising info. A $2,000 NON-REFUNDABLE deposit is required (I would make them pay this even if you were funding the entire thing) and the entire minimum cost is required 90 days out so even if they get all the way to the very end of the planning and it finally hits them they're out of their league there's still enough time to pull together a quick backyard wedding, at 90 days most likely the invites won't even have been mailed out yet.
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Post by JustKim on Jan 9, 2016 17:15:49 GMT
Wow, glad her parents are saying no. I would have smiled and ask her (them) how do you plan on paying for "your" wedding? I would have a set amount that you are willing to pay which is a payment directly to the items (food, grooms suit, etc). I have all boys so this is what I am planning (the same amount to each). I got married 4 years ago and it was very minimal cost but it was awesome so they boys know what I allotted for myself and what is good for me should be good for them, right!?!
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Post by anonrefugee on Jan 9, 2016 17:44:34 GMT
Oh my. I posted the other day that I didn't fantasize about violence. Apparently my vocabulary is different because "strangle them" crossed my mind at mention of expecting parents to pay for a Princess Wedding.
I'll get flamed but this is stuff that makes me think our society has gotten so shallow and foolish.
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Post by jenb72 on Jan 9, 2016 18:14:42 GMT
I wanted to say "hell no" but I didn't You should listen to your gut. Seriously, these two need the rude awakening. Jen
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Post by Tamhugh on Jan 9, 2016 18:50:04 GMT
I wanted to add that it seems like you are handling this well. It is really hard to parent adult children sometimes, especially when they are making foolish choices. Maybe they will grow up a little more and realize that they aren't meant to be together and they will move on. Or maybe they will end up happily married 50 years from now. You just never know. Hang in there and keep being supportive without caving to the requests you don't agree with. Good luck!
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Post by anonrefugee on Jan 9, 2016 18:55:09 GMT
I'm glad her parents spoke up. The idea has been tickling me all morning. There are so many ugly stereotypes attached to the traditional princess stories I can't believe current young women want to emulate them.
I am glad you are getting to reconnect with your son! Maybe her fantasy will settle into reality soon.
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Post by sunraynnc on Jan 9, 2016 18:57:54 GMT
I'd have the future in-laws over very soon. Other than wedding costs, you can talk about how they are going to LIVE. Her parents could actually be your allies in all this.
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 9, 2016 19:11:34 GMT
my DIL used to have very lofty ambitions like this too, but thankfully has become much more realistic as she has matured. Now she's in her 30s & I'm not nearly as concerned about them as I used to be. They still make a few stupid decisions occasionally, but doesn't everyone?!
Here's hoping that the GF is just very young & has never had to actually face the reality of what life costs yet, and that things will improve as she matures
I'm so impressed with how well you are handling this! And thankful for you that her parents are willing to set her straight
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Post by maryland on Jan 9, 2016 19:23:55 GMT
If you don't have frequent flier miles, free hotel points, etc., don't forget this will cost you with your own expenses to get to the wedding. Would you need to figure out how much that would cost you, and subtract that from the amount you will give them? For example if we agreed to give our child $2,000 for a wedding, but it would cost us $1000 to travel to the wedding and hotel costs, we would tell our child that we could contribute $1000. Just something to consider if you stick to a budget. We try to stick to a strict budget in general so I always think of weird stuff like that! 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 19:25:32 GMT
Pinterest could be her best friend. There is a reason that people get married at Easter and Christmas. The church is already decorated.
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 9, 2016 19:29:32 GMT
When you first told us of your DS's relationship with this girl I pegged her as a "user". She seemed manipulative then and still does, IMO. If they want a dream wedding and her parents can't afford it, they should save to fund it themselves. Having the groom's parents step in and pay for what the bride's should pay for sends a condescending message.
What is there about a Disney wedding that makes it special? Can't the theme be recreated locally? I wouldn't want Micky Mouse hovering in the background of my wedding photos. Personally, I would visit a bridal shop on my own and get a feel for what dresses could meet her requirements and still be affordable. Either she should buy her own dress or her parents should. No way would I fund a dress as the MOG. But I would volunteer to go along as moral support for her mother so she doesn't pout until they cave for something they can't afford.
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