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Post by Rainbow on Feb 6, 2016 4:01:10 GMT
I'm surprised at the reactions I get sometimes over something that isn't a big deal at all. Like the cow shirt that says "not your mom, not your milk". I had someone get all puffed up as say forcefully "There's nothing WRONG with drinking milk!" "Geeze, chill out" I thought. But clearly this person thought I was making a judgement. I wasn't, I thought it was a cute joke and I thought she'd get it because she's breastfeeding, lol. Sometimes I get the feeling that I need to hide being vegan from others so that I don't have to defend it to people who are insecure/angry and feel they need to defend their own choices. I just like being vegan, it has nothing to do with anyone else or their decisions in their lives. (Well, it does have to do with the kidlet and her medical issues.) Truthfully, I like being vegan and I'd love to have some cute vegan shirts but I don't want other people to get all bent out of shape over it. I also don't want anything offensive or graphic. I wish there were shirts that said I'm in it because it's healthy and for the tasty vegan food! (Instead of murder, eating our animal friends, etc.) How do you handle aggressive reactions to veganism?
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Post by candygurl on Feb 6, 2016 4:50:37 GMT
My family members will tease but they fully support what I am doing so I take it in stride. Sometimes, people will ask and I just tell them I am trying to be healthier and that usually shuts them up, because you can't really argue with a good reason! I aslo try to recommend watching documentaries on Netflix for more info. I try to steer the conversation away if I feel someone is just trying to be mean and not wanting to really learn why. Luckily, that hardly ever happens so it's pretty okay overall for me.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 6, 2016 5:36:26 GMT
I'm not vegan, and some of those comments sound rude!
But forgetting them- Vegan has changed definitions over the past 20-25 years- at least among my friends and aquaintances. It used to be so strict leather wasn't allowed- so if you had leather shoes you were not a Vegan. It's like anything, unless you are involved it can be hard to determine details and current mores.
As far as I'm concerned, it's rude to talk about another's dietary decisions. And in some cases , rude to promote them as well. Have sensitivity people, be kind!
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Post by annabella on Feb 6, 2016 5:52:26 GMT
You should probably put me on ignore. I have rainbow on ignore because she posts in purple font which is impossible to read on the blue background I have this forum set to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 11:33:08 GMT
I'm surprised at the reactions I get sometimes over something that isn't a big deal at all. Like the cow shirt that says "not your mom, not your milk". I had someone get all puffed up as say forcefully "There's nothing WRONG with drinking milk!" "Geeze, chill out" I thought. But clearly this person thought I was making a judgement. I wasn't, I thought it was a cute joke and I thought she'd get it because she's breastfeeding, lol. Sometimes I get the feeling that I need to hide being vegan from others so that I don't have to defend it to people who are insecure/angry and feel they need to defend their own choices. I just like being vegan, it has nothing to do with anyone else or their decisions in their lives. (Well, it does have to do with the kidlet and her medical issues.) Truthfully, I like being vegan and I'd love to have some cute vegan shirts but I don't want other people to get all bent out of shape over it. I also don't want anything offensive or graphic. I wish there were shirts that said I'm in it because it's healthy and for the tasty vegan food! (Instead of murder, eating our animal friends, etc.) How do you handle aggressive reactions to veganism? Honestly, I take that shirt as being judgemental. Majority of jokes **are** fundamentally judgemental. They are only funny or cute if you accept a certain premise to be true or right. If you drop wearing the vegan shirts and stop your part in making it an issue it won't be an issue. Problem is you lack self awareness as to when you are coming across as aggressive about other people's choices.
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Post by pelirroja on Feb 6, 2016 11:46:51 GMT
If you don't want to be challenged, don't behave in a challenging way. Putting it on a t-shirt is almost inviting commentary, imho. That's why I wear plain t-shirts and don't have bumper stickers on my car. I have my beliefs but the world at large doesn't need to hear about it or know about it.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 6, 2016 11:47:10 GMT
I'm surprised at the reactions I get sometimes over something that isn't a big deal at all. Like the cow shirt that says "not your mom, not your milk". I had someone get all puffed up as say forcefully "There's nothing WRONG with drinking milk!" "Geeze, chill out" I thought. But clearly this person thought I was making a judgement. I wasn't, I thought it was a cute joke and I thought she'd get it because she's breastfeeding, lol. Sometimes I get the feeling that I need to hide being vegan from others so that I don't have to defend it to people who are insecure/angry and feel they need to defend their own choices. I just like being vegan, it has nothing to do with anyone else or their decisions in their lives. (Well, it does have to do with the kidlet and her medical issues.) Truthfully, I like being vegan and I'd love to have some cute vegan shirts but I don't want other people to get all bent out of shape over it. I also don't want anything offensive or graphic. I wish there were shirts that said I'm in it because it's healthy and for the tasty vegan food! (Instead of murder, eating our animal friends, etc.) How do you handle aggressive reactions to veganism? Honestly, I take that shirt as being judgemental. Majority of jokes **are** fundamentally judgemental. They are only funny or cute if you accept a certain premise to be true or right. If you drop wearing the vegan shirts and stop your part in making it an issue it won't be an issue. Problem is you lack self awareness as to when you are coming across as aggressive about other people's choices. I agree. I thought maybe I just don't know any in your face vegans since I haven't heard negative comments. I agree that it's probably what you put out there as to what you are getting back.
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psiluvu
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Post by psiluvu on Feb 6, 2016 12:00:22 GMT
Maybe you get what you give. The vegans I know would never wear a shirt like that. They don't like to be judged by their dietary choices, therefore they don't judge others
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Post by pjaye on Feb 6, 2016 12:09:09 GMT
You've been vegan for all of about 10 minutes and you've posted about it incessantly on here. I can just imagine how annoying you are about it in real life and I am not at all surprised that the people around you are getting pissed off and aggressive towards you.
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Post by gar on Feb 6, 2016 12:31:40 GMT
You reap what you sow.
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Post by lesley on Feb 6, 2016 12:37:25 GMT
Here, let me help you with my advice. I reworked your post a little: "How do you handle the reactions of people who think transgender kids are freak shows? I'm surprised at the reactions I get sometimes over something that isn't a big deal at all. Like the shirt that says "not your life, not your problem". I had someone get all puffed up and say forcefully "There's nothing WRONG with being female!" "Geeze, chill out" I thought. But clearly this person thought I was making a judgement. I wasn't, I thought it was a cute joke and I thought she'd get it because she's breastfeeding, lol. Sometimes I get the feeling that I need to hide being transgender from others so that I don't have to defend it to people who are insecure/angry and feel they need to defend their own gender. I just like being me, it has nothing to do with anyone else or their lives. Truthfully, I like being me and I'd love to have some cute transgender shirts but I don't want other people to get all bent out of shape over it. I also don't want anything offensive or graphic. I wish there were shirts that said I'm in it because it's healthy to be myself! (Instead of hating myself, suicide, etc.) How do you handle aggressive reactions to transgenderism?" Yeah. I'm pretty much never going to forget you. You should probably put me on ignore. Apparently, I handle aggressive reactions to my transgender kid poorly by being obnoxious.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2016 13:44:18 GMT
I'm surprised that you're surprised that you are getting an "aggressive" reaction to something you did (wore, said...)
Your posts here on refupeas and responses to it should give you a clue to how people think about you, but then again, you think everyone here is wrong!
(Oh and I would not say ANYONE finds what you post as "being cute and/or funny).
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2016 13:52:56 GMT
Now, to address your specific example:
You wore a shirt "not your mom, not your milk" and that you thought she'd "get it" b/c she was breastfeeding.
So this tells me that you specifically chose to wear this shirt around someone who was breastfeeding thinking she'd get the message.
What message specifically? That breastfeeding mothers are cows?
This doesn't sound anything like you wanting to show you are vegan, it screams more that you like to be adverse or controversial and then get all butt hurt when others don't get it, because you are insulting them .
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Post by dazeepetals on Feb 6, 2016 14:07:00 GMT
Well, I'm plant based. I wouldn't call myself vegan completely because I do own some leather shoes that I purchased before long ago, although I don't intend to buy anymore, and I work in the pharmacy industry. It would be hard to ever dispense a medication either knowing that some point in it's development it was tested on animal. Yes, I'm slowly converting my cosmetics and body care products to cruelty free, but I'm not sure I'll ever 100% fit the pure definition of vegan....and guess what, I'm okay with that. We can't be 100% perfect, no one can.
I personally, wouldn't wear that shirt. While I agree with the meaning, it's not me to put that out to others in that fashion. I love some of the other vegan shirts that I've seen, such as "Keep Calm, Plants have Protein" and "Plant Based Athlete" etc.
And as to how I react to when people find out I'm plant based/vegan....I just shrug it off my shoulders. I typically get the comments about not getting enough protein and how we are omnivores, etc. I just smile, sometimes say a few comments about why I eat this way, maybe suggest watching Forks Over Knives if they seem at all interested, and just ignore any hate.
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Post by moveablefeast on Feb 6, 2016 14:12:03 GMT
Well, I can only really speak as a non-vegan, but...
I think people should eat the diet that works best for them. If you're a vegan, rad for you. If you're a follower of this dietary teacher or that one, rad for you. If your passion is animal rights, rad for you. If you feel that eating vegan is healthiest for your body, rad for you.
I am not a vegan. I am an omnivore. I have come to understand how my body is healthiest through many years of trial and error. I have found what works best for me. I do not believe that all human bodies are the same, and I do not believe that all people should consume exactly the same diet for health.
I don't think non-vegans are insecure about not being vegans. I am not at all insecure about eating meat or consuming dairy. I know what meat is; I grew up on a farm and we had meat animals. None of this is shocking to me.
I've known a lot of vegans over the years. Most of them live and let live, and go about their daily lives eating according to their beliefs and it's all good. I follow several vegan chefs on instagram and love to learn about new and interesting ways to prepare plant foods because I eat a lot of plant foods. The difference between them and me is that I don't specifically avoid animal products, but we eat a lot of the same foods otherwise. As such there is absolutely no reason for anyone to hide anything. It's all good.
It's when people decide somehow that they need to tell the rest of the world that the only good, healthy, ethical way to live is exactly like how they live that most people tend to get irritated. I don't think vegans should eat meat. I think vegans should eat what they want. But it irks the daylights out of me when vegans want to tell me how to eat. I've done a lot of research over the years and I've tried a lot of ways of eating and I'm very comfortable with the nutritional and ethical aspects of my lifestyle choices.
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Post by peano on Feb 6, 2016 14:31:51 GMT
Why in -od's name do feel you must proclaim your dietary choices on a shirt? Just go on about your life and STFU. We meat eaters and leather wearers don't give a rat's ass. There's nobody more annoying than a newly reformed (fill in the blank) and their messianic zeal.
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Post by raindancer on Feb 6, 2016 14:56:20 GMT
I live by this mantra and then I have found that I don't care what other people think, and I don't have anyone make comments about my life style choices.
"What other people think of you is none of your business".
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Post by StephDRebel on Feb 6, 2016 15:03:38 GMT
Their opinions don't pay my bills. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. For anything people feel the need to comment about.
I feel like it applies double if you're going to wear a shirt criticizing peoples choices. Don't be an asshole if you don't want to be treated like an asshole. You can't be offensive and then be all "Who? Me? " You knew it was offensive when you wore it out, either deal with the reactions and go on about your day or if you can't handle it wear a different shirt.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 6, 2016 15:12:59 GMT
I wish there were shirts that said I'm in it because it's healthy and for the tasty vegan food! (Instead of murder, eating our animal friends, etc.) How do you handle aggressive reactions to veganism? I don't really get your need to advertise your veganism on a tshirt. It's like wearing an 'I'm Gluten Free' or 'Lactose Gives me Gas' t-shirt.
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Post by nurseypants on Feb 6, 2016 15:18:46 GMT
What if you just ate vegan and never talked about it or wore clothing that advertised it?
Oh, wait, that would never work for you. Your obsessive need for attention and confrontation wouldn't allow it.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 6, 2016 15:23:17 GMT
I'm definitely not vegan, but I'd just say bite me.
I can wear what I want and if I find a shirt funny, I'll wear it.
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Post by gypsymama on Feb 6, 2016 15:32:43 GMT
i find most people who don't eat "normally" to be incredibly obnoxious... i'm so sick and tired of allergies, gluten, 21 day fix, blah blah freakin blah... just go eat! no one cares, its not cute or impressive and its just plain OLD hearing about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 15:58:16 GMT
i find most people who don't eat "normally" to be incredibly obnoxious... i'm so sick and tired of allergies, gluten, 21 day fix, blah blah freakin blah... just go eat! no one cares, its not cute or impressive and its just plain OLD hearing about it. How do you know when someone is vegan? Oh, don't worry - they'll tell you. Substitute for "vegan" the descriptor of choice: vegetarian, paleo, keto, gluten free, allergic to foods start with the letter "R", macrobiotic, people who use Apple products, etc. Always liked South Park's 5 level vegan - they don't eat anything that casts a shadow.
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Post by melodyesch on Feb 6, 2016 15:58:53 GMT
Why in -od's name do feel you must proclaim your dietary choices on a shirt? Just go on about your life and STFU. We meat eaters and leather wearers don't give a rat's ass. There's nobody more annoying than a newly reformed (fill in the blank) and their messianic zeal. This. There's no zealot like a convert.
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Post by Drew on Feb 6, 2016 16:10:48 GMT
You're cute all doe-eyed and harmless. You loved that. It's why you wore the shirt. Maybe you could find some cute Ts about guns and gays and really express yourself to all those "insecure/angry" types.
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Post by trollie on Feb 6, 2016 16:18:42 GMT
I have been a vegetarian for over 25 years. Most people do not know. I don't feel like it's anyone's business and I don't want anyone to feel like they have to make something special for me at an event. If I am going to a potluck type of event I bring a dish I can eat. Otherwise I make sure I am well fed before I go.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 6, 2016 16:25:36 GMT
I'm surprised at the reactions I get sometimes over something that isn't a big deal at all. Like the cow shirt that says "not your mom, not your milk". I had someone get all puffed up as say forcefully "There's nothing WRONG with drinking milk!" "Geeze, chill out" I thought. But clearly this person thought I was making a judgement. I wasn't, I thought it was a cute joke and I thought she'd get it because she's breastfeeding, lol. Sometimes I get the feeling that I need to hide being vegan from others so that I don't have to defend it to people who are insecure/angry and feel they need to defend their own choices. I just like being vegan, it has nothing to do with anyone else or their decisions in their lives. (Well, it does have to do with the kidlet and her medical issues.) Truthfully, I like being vegan and I'd love to have some cute vegan shirts but I don't want other people to get all bent out of shape over it. I also don't want anything offensive or graphic. I wish there were shirts that said I'm in it because it's healthy and for the tasty vegan food! (Instead of murder, eating our animal friends, etc.) How do you handle aggressive reactions to veganism? My cup of tea came down my nose when I read this, bearing in mind who the author is, and remembering some of the intolerant and plainly ignorant posts that have come from her. This playing at veganism and bombarding us with threads about it is hilarious.
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 6, 2016 16:30:32 GMT
Who cares what you eat? Why is it even an issue? People don't go around the store wearing t-shirts that tell the rest of us what they have in their shopping cart. Perhaps I should tape my feeding tube to the outside of my t-shirt. It's just not an issue.
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 6, 2016 18:09:39 GMT
I have been a vegetarian for over 25 years. Most people do not know. I don't feel like it's anyone's business and I don't want anyone to feel like they have to make something special for me at an event. If I am going to a potluck type of event I bring a dish I can eat. Otherwise I make sure I am well fed before I go. Exactly. I'm the same way. It's the annoying ones like the OP that make like difficult for us "sane" ones. Don't want an obnoxious reaction... don't be a douche about it. Simple as that. That's why organizations like PETA have a bad reputation, they can't leave well enough alone. They have to poke the puppy and be assholes about their cause. If I saw the OP's shirt, I'd roll my eyes and immediately classify you as one of the obnoxious vegetarians who make life difficult for the rest of us. Want to be vegan? Great. Have at it. Just don't be an asshole about it and others won't be an asshole to you.
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Post by J u l e e on Feb 6, 2016 18:19:59 GMT
How do you handle aggressive reactions to veganism? I have yet to experience a single aggressive reaction to the way I eat. However, I don't advertise it or invite discussion about it either.
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