happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Feb 6, 2016 18:43:24 GMT
I don't care what other people eat because I don't need their approval of how I eat. That goes for what I do with my sex life, how I spend my money and pretty much everything else about my life choices. I'm a live and let live kinda girl. I do enjoy our recent vegan peas threads here, as much as avid readers enjoy the reading threads, animal lovers enjoy the animal threads, Survivor fans enjoy the Survivor threads, etc. In real life the only way people would know my eating style is if it comes up in conversation because I'm trying to find something I can eat at a restaurant or we are talking about recipes, etc. I told my son about my changeover on the phone because he was telling me that I should try a certain sausage and I told him I don't eat meat anymore. We talked about it from a health aspect. I don't tell him how to eat and I don't think he gives a rip about how I eat, just that he has a healthy and happy momma. But...he did tell my dad, who told my mom, who told my brother, lol. That's how my family operates. Sigh. My brother forbid me to be vegan as all of my teeth will fall out! Haha. So, then of course I had to defend my eating which is just nonsense. I'm quite able to defend my choices but don't really have to. As for shirts...I'd really like some of the cute "plant power" or vegan symbol shirts I've seen out there because they're cute and represent something I believe in. It's no different than the millions of people who wear a Harley Davidson or NASCAR or any other logo shirt. People express themselves through clothing. Some don't but some do. Some people carry fancy brand logo purses. I have no problem with that, it's what they like. Sheesh. I don't think I'd wear the shirt in the OP, as it seems to be an activist type shirt and that's just not who I am. I'm not interested in converting anyone, but would gladly help anyone that is truly interested in the vegan life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:44:48 GMT
When you wear a billboard across your chest stating your views, be prepared for someone to read it and comment. Because after all, just because it's in the form of clothing doesn't mean it's still not a billboard.
Also, you may want to check yourself if your friends find things you do to be annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 18:58:51 GMT
I don't care what other people eat because I don't need their approval of how I eat. That goes for what I do with my sex life, how I spend my money and pretty much everything else about my life choices. I'm a live and let live kinda girl. I do enjoy our recent vegan peas threads here, as much as avid readers enjoy the reading threads, animal lovers enjoy the animal threads, Survivor fans enjoy the Survivor threads, etc. In real life the only way people would know my eating style is if it comes up in conversation because I'm trying to find something I can eat at a restaurant or we are talking about recipes, etc. I told my son about my changeover on the phone because he was telling me that I should try a certain sausage and I told him I don't eat meat anymore. We talked about it from a health aspect. I don't tell him how to eat and I don't think he gives a rip about how I eat, just that he has a healthy and happy momma. But...he did tell my dad, who told my mom, who told my brother, lol. That's how my family operates. Sigh. My brother forbid me to be vegan as all of my teeth will fall out! Haha. So, then of course I had to defend my eating which is just nonsense. I'm quite able to defend my choices but don't really have to. As for shirts...I'd really like some of the cute "plant power" or vegan symbol shirts I've seen out there because they're cute and represent something I believe in. It's no different than the millions of people who wear a Harley Davidson or NASCAR or any other logo shirt. People express themselves through clothing. Some don't but some do. Some people carry fancy brand logo purses. I have no problem with that, it's what they like. Sheesh. I don't think I'd wear the shirt in the OP, as it seems to be an activist type shirt and that's just not who I am. I'm not interested in converting anyone, but would gladly help anyone that is truly interested in the vegan life. I bolded the problem the OP is not apparently able to see. By the shirt saying not YOUR mom, not YOUR milk, the wearer is commenting on the food choice of the reader and people around her who are milk drinkers. It has stopped being "my" vegan choice but made it about the reader. The shirt is commenting on everyone else's food choice (the generic you) and implying they make the wrong choice because the milk isn't coming from mom. That is what draws the ire. I've seen very few tshirts that imply not driving a Harley is wrong. Plant Powered athlete is a statement of who the wearer is and likely doesn't get much negative reaction.
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Post by Zee on Feb 6, 2016 19:01:31 GMT
I like my shirt better.
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MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on Feb 6, 2016 19:54:44 GMT
You can not be this clueless. When you display intolerance, you will receive intolerance in return.
Your display of intolerance wasn't cute, it was in-your-face-I-am-judging-you-hopeless-losers.
As Amy says to the monkey...
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Post by birukitty on Feb 6, 2016 20:31:38 GMT
In my opinion wearing a shirt that says, "Not your mom, not your milk" and walking around is clearly going to elicit reactions from people who see nothing wrong with drinking milk. It's as if you are baiting people to react to your shirt and yes, implying that they are all doing something wrong by drinking milk. So of course you are going to get negative reactions.
It's one thing to wear a shirt that say's something like "plant power" or "plant powered athlete" because that's a shirt that is describing yourself. Being proud of who you are as a vegan and happy about it. There's nothing wrong with that. What you wore is a shirt that negatively described all of the non-vegans around you, while elevating yourself to a higher position (in their eyes), and you were putting down their food choices.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 20:51:43 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan?
Wait 5 secs and they will tell you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2016 20:57:18 GMT
You can not be this clueless. When you display intolerance, you will receive intolerance in return. Your display of intolerance wasn't cute, it was in-your-face-I-am-judging-you-hopeless-losers. As Amy says to the monkey... She isn't . She's purposely obtuse!
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Post by pierogi on Feb 6, 2016 21:07:32 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan? Wait 5 secs and they will tell you. This comment is no more helpful than the OP.
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Post by pierogi on Feb 6, 2016 21:10:18 GMT
In my opinion wearing a shirt that says, "Not your mom, not your milk" and walking around is clearly going to elicit reactions from people who see nothing wrong with drinking milk. It's as if you are baiting people to react to your shirt and yes, implying that they are all doing something wrong by drinking milk. So of course you are going to get negative reactions. It's one thing to wear a shirt that say's something like "plant power" or "plant powered athlete" because that's a shirt that is describing yourself. Being proud of who you are as a vegan and happy about it. There's nothing wrong with that. What you wore is a shirt that negatively described all of the non-vegans around you, while elevating yourself to a higher position (in their eyes), and you were putting down their food choices. Debbie in MD. Really well said. You get back what you put out. If you want people to associate you and the choices you make in a positive manner, present yourself as a positive example.
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happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Feb 6, 2016 21:31:38 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan? Wait 5 secs and they will tell you. This comment is no more helpful than the OP. You said what I was thinking. It's a slam just like the shirt. Simply put...respect your fellow human.
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Post by dazeepetals on Feb 6, 2016 21:56:57 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan? Wait 5 secs and they will tell you. This isn't an more helpful than the OP.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 6, 2016 22:38:18 GMT
I like my shirt better. Oh man I must have this shirt!!!
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Post by scorpeao on Feb 6, 2016 22:42:22 GMT
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about the bumper sticker that says "I love animals. They taste delicious."
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Post by scorpeao on Feb 6, 2016 22:46:36 GMT
I like my shirt better. Where can I get this?
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Post by peasapie on Feb 6, 2016 23:15:42 GMT
I don't really get your need to advertise your veganism on a tshirt. It's like wearing an 'I'm Gluten Free' or 'Lactose Gives me Gas' t-shirt.
Oh how I wish I could find a t-shirt like this for my (adult) son. He would LOVE it.
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Post by Zee on Feb 6, 2016 23:20:12 GMT
I like my shirt better. Where can I get this? Zumiez, in the mall, last night. The young sales associate there made sure I knew what was inside the pocket after asking me who I was shopping for. LOL that's the whole reason I'm buying it, DURRRR I think they thought I took a wrong turn from Talbot's or something, on my way back to the old folks home. Ah, young people.
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Post by scrapsotime on Feb 6, 2016 23:40:17 GMT
I can see this offending some breastfeeding mothers if they donate to milk banks. Also offending mother's that have children that need the milk from the milk banks. Not a well thought out shirt and my response would have nothing to do with you being vegan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 0:16:21 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan? Wait 5 secs and they will tell you. [br This actually comes from a friend of mine. He thinks it funny when he meets new people most of them will say what they the do for a living , except for the gluten free person and the vegan. He has actually had people come into he's shop and ask for vegan and gluten free flower/vegetable seeds. Not organic but vegan and gluten free.
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Post by annabella on Feb 7, 2016 3:54:25 GMT
Actually, I never mention that I'm a vegetarian because then I get pestered with numerous questions about how do I get my protein, do I miss it, why don't I eat it....
I went to a baby shower last weekend that was potluck and I politely inquired of each guest what was in their dish they made and I had no response if they said meat.
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Post by happymomma on Feb 7, 2016 4:32:57 GMT
Actually, I never mention that I'm a vegetarian because then I get pestered with numerous questions about how do I get my protein, do I miss it, why don't I eat it.... I went to a baby shower last weekend that was potluck and I politely inquired of each guest what was in their dish they made and I had no response if they said meat. See, I'm dreading those occasions. I would do exactly as you did, just inquire and not give a reason why, but human nature (at least of the people I know) will be to ask why. Maybe I just know a lot of nosy people. Then I guess I'll say that I don't eat animal products which will bring on the whole 'debate' and onslaught of questions. I don't mind if people are really interested but due to life experience I fear it will just be something for people to judge about. I'm almost afraid to go around eating events for this reason. You must know people that are very different than the ones I know. I just know that when I was dieting to lose weight before I always got comments about how little was on my plate, or why in the world was I not eating the yummy desserts, etc. It got old quick. It's really weird to me because I never think to analyze anyone else's plates.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 7, 2016 4:49:55 GMT
Well, I'm plant based. I wouldn't call myself vegan completely because I do own some leather shoes that I purchased before long ago, although I don't intend to buy anymore, and I work in the pharmacy industry. It would be hard to ever dispense a medication either knowing that some point in it's development it was tested on animal. Yes, I'm slowly converting my cosmetics and body care products to cruelty free, but I'm not sure I'll ever 100% fit the pure definition of vegan....and guess what, I'm okay with that. We can't be 100% perfect, no one can. I personally, wouldn't wear that shirt. While I agree with the meaning, it's not me to put that out to others in that fashion. I love some of the other vegan shirts that I've seen, such as "Keep Calm, Plants have Protein" and "Plant Based Athlete" etc. And as to how I react to when people find out I'm plant based/vegan....I just shrug it off my shoulders. I typically get the comments about not getting enough protein and how we are omnivores, etc. I just smile, sometimes say a few comments about why I eat this way, maybe suggest watching Forks Over Knives if they seem at all interested, and just ignore any hate. If you are a vegan does that mean no animal products for anything i.e. capsules that might contain gelatin? Is the philosophy and lifestyle to hurt no animal? I totally understand not wanting to consume an animal product in my diet, but I didn't know that it encompassed anything someone would own as well. You wouldn't be able to wear silk or wool then either, right?
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 7, 2016 4:52:59 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan? Wait 5 secs and they will tell you. I ask with enthusiasm. I am interested to hear how other people eat. Also vegans often (maybe not always) seem to consume more soy than I do. I am always looking for a good tofu recipe.
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Post by dazeepetals on Feb 7, 2016 15:08:10 GMT
Well, I'm plant based. I wouldn't call myself vegan completely because I do own some leather shoes that I purchased before long ago, although I don't intend to buy anymore, and I work in the pharmacy industry. It would be hard to ever dispense a medication either knowing that some point in it's development it was tested on animal. Yes, I'm slowly converting my cosmetics and body care products to cruelty free, but I'm not sure I'll ever 100% fit the pure definition of vegan....and guess what, I'm okay with that. We can't be 100% perfect, no one can. I personally, wouldn't wear that shirt. While I agree with the meaning, it's not me to put that out to others in that fashion. I love some of the other vegan shirts that I've seen, such as "Keep Calm, Plants have Protein" and "Plant Based Athlete" etc. And as to how I react to when people find out I'm plant based/vegan....I just shrug it off my shoulders. I typically get the comments about not getting enough protein and how we are omnivores, etc. I just smile, sometimes say a few comments about why I eat this way, maybe suggest watching Forks Over Knives if they seem at all interested, and just ignore any hate. If you are a vegan does that mean no animal products for anything i.e. capsules that might contain gelatin? Is the philosophy and lifestyle to hurt no animal? I totally understand not wanting to consume an animal product in my diet, but I didn't know that it encompassed anything someone would own as well. You wouldn't be able to wear silk or wool then either, right? Yes, the true definition of Vegan is to cause NO animal harm whatsoever. That means, nothing that is made, tested, derived of, etc from animal products. That's why I can't 100% use that label on myself and "true" vegans will make sure you know that also. So yes, silk and wool are no-no's. Hence, why I'm plant based, as of yet, can't fully embrace the true definition.
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Post by annabella on Feb 7, 2016 15:35:52 GMT
dazeepetals I was confused why you were calling yourself "plant-based" when your diet was vegan. Didn't know there was politics around using the word vegan. I thought the term "plant-based" is the new trendy way of saying most meals are meatless, because saying vegetarian has a negative connotation and/or "plant-based" people are not 100% meatless.
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Post by trollie on Feb 7, 2016 15:41:51 GMT
Actually, I never mention that I'm a vegetarian because then I get pestered with numerous questions about how do I get my protein, do I miss it, why don't I eat it.... I went to a baby shower last weekend that was potluck and I politely inquired of each guest what was in their dish they made and I had no response if they said meat. This is me too. Of course my closest friends and family know...
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 7, 2016 16:08:05 GMT
How do you know if somebody you just met is vegan? Wait 5 secs and they will tell you. This comment is no more helpful than the OP. Except it's quite often very true. Same with a lot of GF people, Paleo people, DF people and whatever other trendy diet is out there. The ones who are confident in their choice don't do this, but the ones that aren't and have to announce it to the world have a tendency to announce it loudly and "proudly" even when it's irrelevant to the conversation.
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Post by happymomma on Feb 7, 2016 16:13:37 GMT
This comment is no more helpful than the OP. Except it's quite often very true. Same with a lot of GF people, Paleo people, DF people and whatever other trendy diet is out there. The ones who are confident in their choice don't do this, but the ones that aren't and have to announce it to the world have a tendency to announce it loudly and "proudly" even when it's irrelevant to the conversation. That's like saying How do you know when you're meeting a wealthy person for the first time? Don't worry they'll tell you. Because we all know that there are a lot of wealthy people that flaunt it or look down upon those that aren't 'in their league'. But...there are many many more that aren't that way at all. So you can't lump all wealthy people together just like you can't lump all members of any 'group' all together.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 7, 2016 16:28:31 GMT
If "you" are a vegan does that mean no animal products for anything i.e. capsules that might contain gelatin? Is the philosophy and lifestyle to hurt no animal? I totally understand not wanting to consume an animal product in my diet, but I didn't know that it encompassed anything someone would own as well. You wouldn't be able to wear silk or wool then either, right? Yes, the true definition of Vegan is to cause NO animal harm whatsoever. That means, nothing that is made, tested, derived of, etc from animal products. That's why I can't 100% use that label on myself and "true" vegans will make sure you know that also. So yes, silk and wool are no-no's. Hence, why I'm plant based, as of yet, can't fully embrace the true definition. Hi I should have written this post this way. I said you and meant if someone embraced the vegan lifestyle. That was a mistake on my part.
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Post by annabella on Feb 7, 2016 17:00:11 GMT
Who says eating meat is normal for humans? That's debatable. And in many countries in Africa people eat very little meat because they just can't afford it. 40% of Indians are vegetarians so the rest of the population doesn't blink an eye if someone tells them they are vegetarian.
I'm sure people with allergies are sick of them too, but what can you do about any medical condition? Follow doctors orders whether that's taking drugs or an elimination diet.
Kind of strange to be annoyed with the 21 day fix, it's just people who want to lose weight and be healthy.
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