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Post by Rainbow on Feb 8, 2016 22:00:29 GMT
View AttachmentI was was looking for a specific vegan tshirt (not offensive, but it has the cute V logo on it) and came across this! I love that one!
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Post by freebird on Feb 8, 2016 22:35:48 GMT
Who says eating meat is normal for humans? That's debatable. Well, technically, the fact that we have eye-teeth tells us it's normal. But, then again, I guess our other vestigial features make that argument a bit less conclusive. And the fact that predators have eyes on the front of their head to focus, whereas prey has their eyes on the sides of their head for maximum sight. Humans were made to be predators. If you choose not to be, then meh. whatev.
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Post by Grom Pea on Feb 8, 2016 23:19:22 GMT
this is the shirt I need to wear but I don't think I can handle the negative response to it. I'm just tryna be me! No lie, after I posted that, I googled to see if that shirt actually exists. It would have taken care of quite a few Christmas gifts this year. Maybe you should design one on zazzle or cafe press and buy it for your friends and then post it for sale for the rest of the people who want it, the bloggess does that all the time with funny sayings. :-)
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Post by dazeepetals on Feb 9, 2016 1:31:45 GMT
Well, technically, the fact that we have eye-teeth tells us it's normal. But, then again, I guess our other vestigial features make that argument a bit less conclusive. And the fact that predators have eyes on the front of their head to focus, whereas prey has their eyes on the sides of their head for maximum sight. Humans were made to be predators. If you choose not to be, then meh. whatev. I'm not sure that's entirely correct. As a predator, wouldn't you need to be able to catch and kill another animal with your own hands? We don't have claws capable of that and our teeth aren't like true carnivores either. Honestly, I could care less if someone eats meat or not, but I think the science behind whether we are carnivores vs behaviors omnivores vs herbivores has changed with new evidence. Just interesting information. Are humans herbivores?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 1:42:12 GMT
And the fact that predators have eyes on the front of their head to focus, whereas prey has their eyes on the sides of their head for maximum sight. Humans were made to be predators. If you choose not to be, then meh. whatev. I'm not sure that's entirely correct. As a predator, wouldn't you need to be able to catch and kill another animal with your own hands? We don't have claws capable of that and our teeth aren't like true carnivores either. Honestly, I could care less if someone eats meat or not, but I think the science behind whether we are carnivores vs behaviors omnivores vs herbivores has changed with new evidence. Just interesting information. Are humans herbivores?The language in the article belies a bias in the writer so the researchers she is going to quote will support her bias. While hands certainly aren't as efficient as claws at tearing, hands are more efficient at creating and using tools in a hunt. And that hunting is precisely why early man was known as "hunter-gatherer" They gathered vegetable matter, but they also hunted which means they were eating meat. IMO, humans, as a species, are opportunistic eaters. We have enough of the anatomy of true carnivores to make use of meat as a food source when we need to (or want to) and enough of the herbivore characteristics to eat the plant life around us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 2:01:31 GMT
eta: all meat hunting does not require tools or claws. The link above seems to only think of meat in terms of big game like cattle. Fish, birds and small mammals like rabbit/squirrel, the offspring of larger animals like piglets of wild pigs are easily trapped and can be cooked whole. The cooked hide will come off easily. "noodling" is a common fishing practice around here... catching fish with just your hands (google noodling Oklahoma)
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Feb 9, 2016 2:19:10 GMT
I'm not vegan, and some of those comments sound rude! But forgetting them- Vegan has changed definitions over the past 20-25 years- at least among my friends and aquaintances. It used to be so strict leather wasn't allowed- so if you had leather shoes you were not a Vegan. It's like anything, unless you are involved it can be hard to determine details and current mores. As far as I'm concerned, it's rude to talk about another's dietary decisions. And in some cases , rude to promote them as well. Have sensitivity people, be kind! Why would it be rude to promote veganism? I'm in it for the yummy food!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 2:50:40 GMT
I'm not vegan, and some of those comments sound rude! But forgetting them- Vegan has changed definitions over the past 20-25 years- at least among my friends and aquaintances. It used to be so strict leather wasn't allowed- so if you had leather shoes you were not a Vegan. It's like anything, unless you are involved it can be hard to determine details and current mores. As far as I'm concerned, it's rude to talk about another's dietary decisions. And in some cases , rude to promote them as well. Have sensitivity people, be kind! Why would it be rude to promote veganism? I'm in it for the yummy food!I can eat a yummy vegan dish and follow it with a dish of delicious cold sweet silken premium ice cream. Or a few strips of smokey salty crispy tantalizing bacon. Or a mouthwatering melting slice of cheese pizza. Vegan isn't the only "yummy" food out there. If you promote it and act like it is the only yummy food out there you WILL get some push back. Count on it.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Feb 9, 2016 3:15:19 GMT
Why would it be rude to promote veganism? I'm in it for the yummy food! I can eat a yummy vegan dish and follow it with a dish of delicious cold sweet silken premium ice cream. Or a few strips of smokey salty crispy tantalizing bacon. Or a mouthwatering melting slice of cheese pizza. Vegan isn't the only "yummy" food out there. If you promote it and act like it is the only yummy food out there you WILL get some push back. Count on it. I said it was yummy food, didn't say it was the only yummy food, lol. I've had bacon in the past.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 9, 2016 3:18:29 GMT
I'm not vegan, and some of those comments sound rude! But forgetting them- Vegan has changed definitions over the past 20-25 years- at least among my friends and aquaintances. It used to be so strict leather wasn't allowed- so if you had leather shoes you were not a Vegan. It's like anything, unless you are involved it can be hard to determine details and current mores. As far as I'm concerned, it's rude to talk about another's dietary decisions. And in some cases , rude to promote them as well. Have sensitivity people, be kind! Why would it be rude to promote veganism? I'm in it for the yummy food!I was talking about reaction to anything you wore. But I'm starting to think you're the one looking for arguments.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Feb 9, 2016 3:26:12 GMT
Why would it be rude to promote veganism? I'm in it for the yummy food! I was talking about reaction to anything you wore. But I'm starting to think you're the one looking for arguments. I don't even have any vegan clothing. Neither does the kidlet. Not looking for an argument, as a matter of fact the shirt I did mention was tame compared to the ones about murder, eating our friends, etc. Only the one person was upset by it, but I'm still not sure why. I thought it was funny, and still do.
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Post by Lindarina on Feb 9, 2016 8:48:31 GMT
i find most people who don't eat "normally" to be incredibly obnoxious... i'm so sick and tired of allergies, gluten, 21 day fix, blah blah freakin blah... just go eat! no one cares, its not cute or impressive and its just plain OLD hearing about it. What do you mean by "eating normally"? The standard western diet has turned so unnatural and unhealthy that I can understand why so many of us are seeking other alternatives. With that said, I've been a vegetarian for several years and the only negative reactions I've ever met has been from other vegans/vegetarians. There are some serious hollier than thou-attitudes circulating in the vegan community. There's always someone being a better vegan than everyone else.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 9, 2016 12:59:42 GMT
The last time I ate red meat/pork was when I was about 18 and I am almost 50 now. Up until I was pregnant with my first at almost 30 I did the mostly vegetarian thing (I would eat fish/shellfish so not completely vegetarian.) When I got pregnant with the first, I had cravings for Wendy's fried chicken sandwich to the point it was almost a physical pain so there went the vegetarian thing. However, I still don't eat red meat or pork-in any form or fashion. I honestly don't care for the taste. I will eat chicken and fish/shellfish but that's it and it isn't a daily thing-I still prefer to eat meatless, but I also try to accommodate the carnivores in my house so I feed them chicken from time to time. The cows and pigs get to be eaten at their dad's house. All that to say that I have a less than typical diet (as far it goes) for the majority of my life. The best way to handle the push back? Quit making a deal out it. If I am out and about and don't want to eat something, I simply say 'no thank you' and smile. I can't say that I have ever had any push back after that. If I can't identify a dish, I may ask what is in it, but have learned over the years that there is a way to do that without making someone defensive, usually under the guise of asking about the recipe. Honestly, it hardly ever comes up and if I don't bring it up, no one else does.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 9, 2016 13:13:02 GMT
I can eat a yummy vegan dish and follow it with a dish of delicious cold sweet silken premium ice cream. Or a few strips of smokey salty crispy tantalizing bacon. Or a mouthwatering melting slice of cheese pizza. Vegan isn't the only "yummy" food out there. If you promote it and act like it is the only yummy food out there you WILL get some push back. Count on it. I said it was yummy food, didn't say it was the only yummy food, lol. I've had bacon in the past. Your shirt wasn't promoting vegan food, it was criticizing the food choices of others.
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Post by Rainbow on Feb 9, 2016 13:16:40 GMT
I said it was yummy food, didn't say it was the only yummy food, lol. I've had bacon in the past. Your shirt wasn't promoting vegan food, it was criticizing the food choices of others. You could take it that way, I thought it was funny.
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Post by gar on Feb 9, 2016 13:22:23 GMT
Your shirt wasn't promoting vegan food, it was criticizing the food choices of others. You could take it that way, I thought it was funny.Well, at least you know now that your opinion of what's amusing isn't the same as the majority of others.....and that's fine of course, but it perhaps explains a few things to you.
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Post by Rainbow on Feb 9, 2016 13:27:41 GMT
You could take it that way, I thought it was funny. Well, at least you know now that your opinion of what's amusing isn't the same as the majority of others.....and that's fine of course, but it perhaps explains a few things to you. I think the majority of others haven't told me what they think of it, lol. Very few have told me what they think of it actually. It is amusing to me that people actually got upset over it.
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Post by J u l e e on Feb 9, 2016 13:42:48 GMT
Are you reading the same thread we are? Next you're going to be wondering why people think you're being obtuse.
We get that you think the shirt is funny. Several people on several pages gave you their reaction to it. We get that you're in it for the yummy food. People who don't eat vegan are happy with their yummy food too. Don't ask questions that people take the time to answer then continue to act mystified about it.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 9, 2016 13:50:05 GMT
i find most people who don't eat "normally" to be incredibly obnoxious... i'm so sick and tired of allergies, gluten, 21 day fix, blah blah freakin blah... just go eat! no one cares, its not cute or impressive and its just plain OLD hearing about it. What do you mean by "eating normally"? The standard western diet has turned so unnatural and unhealthy that I can understand why so many of us are seeking other alternatives. With that said, I've been a vegetarian for several years and the only negative reactions I've ever met has been from other vegans/vegetarians. There are some serious hollier than thou-attitudes circulating in the vegan community. There's always someone being a better vegan than everyone else. Ugh, one of the least attractive parts of the human condition. I remember when some scrapbookers had to be better archived, or wanted to compare number of completed albums! Some people want to compete about everything
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 9, 2016 14:05:07 GMT
This. We've made major adjustments to how we eat over the last year but aside from asking for recipe ideas because -I.am.so.over.lentils.quinoa.and.farro. - I just don't feel a great need to talk about it or search for constant validation of my life choices. And I don't even need to ask for ideas that often unless I'm really uninspired because... google and cookbooks. It might just be me getting older and crankier though because I have the same reaction to a lot of "communities" these days. The shirt is the same thing to me - seeking validation and spreading condemnation all in one obnoxiously in your face phrase.
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Post by gar on Feb 9, 2016 14:16:32 GMT
Well, at least you know now that your opinion of what's amusing isn't the same as the majority of others.....and that's fine of course, but it perhaps explains a few things to you. I think the majority of others haven't told me what they think of it, lol. Very few have told me what they think of it actually. It is amusing to me that people actually got upset over it. Is that really what you take away from this thread? ETA I forgot the obligatory 'lol'
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 9, 2016 14:21:01 GMT
Well, at least you know now that your opinion of what's amusing isn't the same as the majority of others.....and that's fine of course, but it perhaps explains a few things to you. I think the majority of others haven't told me what they think of it, lol. Very few have told me what they think of it actually. It is amusing to me that people actually got upset over it. <<< Part of the silent majority. I think I don't have an opinion one way or the other. If I saw the shirt in the grocery store I would likely struggle for a moment trying to sort out what the intent of the message was and then move on to trying to decide what green beans to buy.
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Post by Rainbow on Feb 9, 2016 14:24:24 GMT
Are you reading the same thread we are? Next you're going to be wondering why people think you're being obtuse. We get that you think the shirt is funny. Several people on several pages gave you their reaction to it. We get that you're in it for the yummy food. People who don't eat vegan are happy with their yummy food too. Don't ask questions that people take the time to answer then continue to act mystified about it. People should be happy with their food (whatever it is) or they should fix that right away. Actually very few people responded to my question in the op on topic but some did. The question was for vegan peas and how they handle the aggressive reactions of non-vegans. Even mentioning that one is vegan is enough sometimes to set someone off because they automatically think you are making a judgement even if you aren't. I was wondering how other vegans dealt with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 14:27:48 GMT
Are you reading the same thread we are? Next you're going to be wondering why people think you're being obtuse. We get that you think the shirt is funny. Several people on several pages gave you their reaction to it. We get that you're in it for the yummy food. People who don't eat vegan are happy with their yummy food too. Don't ask questions that people take the time to answer then continue to act mystified about it. People should be happy with their food (whatever it is) or they should fix that right away. Actually very few people responded to my question in the op on topic but some did. The question was for vegan peas and how they handle the aggressive reactions of non-vegans. Even mentioning that one is vegan is enough sometimes to set someone off because they automatically think you are making a judgement even if you aren't. I was wondering how other vegans dealt with that.But you were making a judgement with your shirt. And I don't think the other person's reaction as described in the op was aggressive. ETA I think the other persons reaction was annoyed.
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Post by J u l e e on Feb 9, 2016 14:34:24 GMT
You're talking about two different things if I'm reading correctly. You said very few people told you what they thought about the shirt. But there are lots of replies about that. And then you said very few people answered your question about aggressiveness toward your food choices. Several people responded to that as well and talked about how they handle being vegan/vegetarian. This whole thread is full of responses to those two things, as well as suggestions as to WHY you may be getting the reactions IRL that you feel you are getting. I'm confused as to what you're not feeling has been answered.
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Post by gar on Feb 9, 2016 14:54:56 GMT
You're talking about two different things if I'm reading correctly. You said very few people told you what they thought about the shirt. But there are lots of replies about that. And then you said very few people answered your question about aggressiveness toward your food choices. Several people responded to that as well and talked about how they handle being vegan/vegetarian. This whole thread is full of responses to those two things, as well as suggestions as to WHY you may be getting the reactions IRL that you feel you are getting. I'm confused as to what you're not feeling has been answered. I think Rainbow wanted lots of other vegans to say "I know...it's awful when non-vegans are aggressive isn't it!!" but instead the majority said they don't experience it because they don't make a big deal of what they choose to eat nor do they pronounce their thoughts about what other people choose to eat/drink. Strange how that works
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Post by pjaye on Feb 9, 2016 15:15:25 GMT
Actually very few people responded to my question in the op on topic but some did. The question was for vegan peas and how they handle the aggressive reactions of non-vegans. A lot of people answered that question, you just choose to ignore the answers you don't like. let me spell it out for you: - Lots of people posting here have told you they think that t-shirt is judgemental/designed to piss off people who are not vegan, everyone understands that you think it's funny, the majority of people are telling you it is not. Your 'friend' didn't think it was, hardly anyone here did either. Pay attention to that. - Most vegans do not wear t-shirts are designed to antagonise others - Most vegans do not talk incessantly about being a vegan Therefore most people are saying in their day to day life of being vegan they have no need to constantly point out their food choices to others and as a result they do not have to contend with aggression from others. You are choosing to do those things and that's why you are pissing people off. The fact that you have to deal with aggression from others on this subject is the direct result of how you are handling this (badly). Therefore lots of people are giving you advice on how to handle yourself better (don't wear the t-shirts, don't constantly bang on about being vegan at every opportunity etc). THAT is how people have answered your question MULTIPLE times over these 3 pages, but you are so thick headed you either can't or won't see it. The problem isn't others reacting badly, the problem is you.
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