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Post by ginacivey on May 9, 2017 14:51:28 GMT
You know for future generations. because future generations are going to judge my character based upon this thread? that's okay by me i haven't said anything i'm ashamed of or that paints me a 'racist' how about you make one big post that has every single thing i've said on this thread...all in one nice neat post it'll save 'generations' the work of reading thru all the crazy gina |
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Post by jenis40 on May 9, 2017 15:38:32 GMT
If a black person is saying they find my comments come across as racist and I don't think they are, my first response shouldn't be to blame the black person for how the comments were received. It should be to examine my comments and reflect on why someone thought they were racist
As to the Edwards case, this is horrible and I hope the officer is charged with and convicted of first degree murder. I'm not a parent but I have black grandchildren. I can't begin to understand how different their life experiences will be than mine just because of skin color.
My question is, what can I do as a white woman to help black men and women as well as other people of color? I want to listen and understand, to work with them not perpetuate something with well-meaning but misguided help.
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Post by gar on May 9, 2017 16:14:06 GMT
If a black person is saying they find my comments come across as racist and I don't think they are, my first response shouldn't be to blame the black person for how the comments were received. It should be to examine my comments and reflect on why someone thought they were racist As to the Edwards case, this is horrible and I hope the officer is charged with and convicted of first degree murder. I'm not a parent but I have black grandchildren. I can't begin to understand how different their life experiences will be than mine just because of skin color. My question is, what can I do as a white woman to help black men and women as well as other people of color? I want to listen and understand, to work with them not perpetuate something with well-meaning but misguided help. I promise you're not the first to have said basically that and the response was essentially- if you need it explaining to you, what's the point. |
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Post by jenis40 on May 9, 2017 16:39:12 GMT
If a black person is saying they find my comments come across as racist and I don't think they are, my first response shouldn't be to blame the black person for how the comments were received. It should be to examine my comments and reflect on why someone thought they were racist As to the Edwards case, this is horrible and I hope the officer is charged with and convicted of first degree murder. I'm not a parent but I have black grandchildren. I can't begin to understand how different their life experiences will be than mine just because of skin color. My question is, what can I do as a white woman to help black men and women as well as other people of color? I want to listen and understand, to work with them not perpetuate something with well-meaning but misguided help. I promise you're not the first to have said basically that and the response was essentially- if you need it explaining to you, what's the point. I think we need to keep asking this question. I'm not just asking that question of Olan. Just like white folks, black folks respond in different ways based on their personal history. There is a history in America of well-meaning white folks who sort of take over a black issue and try to mold it to fit white thinking. There are layers of history to be overcome so I'll keep asking the question and hope. |
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 16:52:38 GMT
If a black person is saying they find my comments come across as racist and I don't think they are, my first response shouldn't be to blame the black person for how the comments were received. It should be to examine my comments and reflect on why someone thought they were racist As to the Edwards case, this is horrible and I hope the officer is charged with and convicted of first degree murder. I'm not a parent but I have black grandchildren. I can't begin to understand how different their life experiences will be than mine just because of skin color. My question is, what can I do as a white woman to help black men and women as well as other people of color? I want to listen and understand, to work with them not perpetuate something with well-meaning but misguided help. I also hope the officer is charged with murder. I'm hoping for your grandchildren and my own future children that something shifts in the hearts of people who can really bring about the change needed to prevent things like this from happening. Ways to Help: Speak up when you see instances of injustice and challenge racist thoughts. Actively listen to marginalized people. Social media makes this very easy. I don't have to be the voice you receive. Visit African American history museums. Learn about the history of America. Talk to your children. Ask them "What if we loved black people as much as we loved black culture?" Think about what allyship means to you. How is your allyship most effective. Are you doing it to be of service or self-serving. Support black business |
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Post by jenis40 on May 9, 2017 17:51:19 GMT
If a black person is saying they find my comments come across as racist and I don't think they are, my first response shouldn't be to blame the black person for how the comments were received. It should be to examine my comments and reflect on why someone thought they were racist As to the Edwards case, this is horrible and I hope the officer is charged with and convicted of first degree murder. I'm not a parent but I have black grandchildren. I can't begin to understand how different their life experiences will be than mine just because of skin color. My question is, what can I do as a white woman to help black men and women as well as other people of color? I want to listen and understand, to work with them not perpetuate something with well-meaning but misguided help. I also hope the officer is charged with murder. I'm hoping for your grandchildren and my own future children that something shifts in the hearts of people who can really bring about the change needed to prevent things like this from happening. Ways to Help: Speak up when you see instances of injustice and challenge racist thoughts. Actively listen to marginalized people. Social media makes this very easy. I don't have to be the voice you receive. Visit African American history museums. Learn about the history of America. Talk to your children. Ask them "What if we loved black people as much as we loved black culture?" Think about what allyship means to you. How is your allyship most effective. Are you doing it to be of service or self-serving. Support black business Thank you! |
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Post by Olan on May 9, 2017 18:07:23 GMT
I also hope the officer is charged with murder. I'm hoping for your grandchildren and my own future children that something shifts in the hearts of people who can really bring about the change needed to prevent things like this from happening. Ways to Help: Speak up when you see instances of injustice and challenge racist thoughts. Actively listen to marginalized people. Social media makes this very easy. I don't have to be the voice you receive. Visit African American history museums. Learn about the history of America. Talk to your children. Ask them "What if we loved black people as much as we loved black culture?" Think about what allyship means to you. How is your allyship most effective. Are you doing it to be of service or self-serving. Support black business Thank you! No problem! |
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Post by erinshavonne34 on Jun 11, 2017 10:51:08 GMT
It's not poverty, it fear.
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 1:27:03 GMT
I feel, olan, that whatever words I have aren't going to be enough for you because you've decided that because I think ALL of the violence affecting young black men needs to be denounced by everyone. All the gun crimes perpetrated by psychotic white men in theaters needs to be denounced. All the radical Muslim hate crimes, well, they don't really need my help, we're all in agreement about ISIS. It wouldn't be enough for me to tell you that my best friend is black, and I worry more for her two sons just going out and about in the community than I worry about what will happen to them at the hands of the police. And I am no fan of the police in general, because I've been hassled and accosted by too many power-tripping assholes with a gun and a badge who just want to scare you and feel like Big Men. It is true, though, that as 44 year old white lady I bet I'm safe from being shot unarmed in my car at a routine traffic stop. If you feel I was deflecting, I can promise you that is not my intent. I'm just really, really tired of a society where no one has much value for the lives of others anymore. I guess that's why I can't weigh in any further, because you're simply going to quote me (for what? You think nothing I said has value, you think I'm going to delete my post, whatever). I also can promise you that my heart goes out to these victims because we have put so much power in the hands of the police. They have a duty to protect, not to fly off the fucking handle because they got spooked. It's disgusting-- ALL of these deaths disgust me. Every day I see new news about another young black man getting shot, and it's not usually the police who are doing it. So what can we do to end this? I have no answers. I wish I did. I wish you did too. Are you still out of answers? Is anyone actually proud of the way they responded in this thread? I mean seriously. Zee |
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 1:32:35 GMT
If a black person is saying they find my comments come across as racist and I don't think they are, my first response shouldn't be to blame the black person for how the comments were received. It should be to examine my comments and reflect on why someone thought they were racist As to the Edwards case, this is horrible and I hope the officer is charged with and convicted of first degree murder. I'm not a parent but I have black grandchildren. I can't begin to understand how different their life experiences will be than mine just because of skin color. My question is, what can I do as a white woman to help black men and women as well as other people of color? I want to listen and understand, to work with them not perpetuate something with well-meaning but misguided help. I also hope the officer is charged with murder. I'm hoping for your grandchildren and my own future children that something shifts in the hearts of people who can really bring about the change needed to prevent things like this from happening. Ways to Help: Speak up when you see instances of injustice and challenge racist thoughts. Actively listen to marginalized people. Social media makes this very easy. I don't have to be the voice you receive. Visit African American history museums. Learn about the history of America. Talk to your children. Ask them "What if we loved black people as much as we loved black culture?" Think about what allyship means to you. How is your allyship most effective. Are you doing it to be of service or self-serving. Support black business |
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Post by Zee on Oct 27, 2017 1:42:51 GMT
I feel, olan, that whatever words I have aren't going to be enough for you because you've decided that because I think ALL of the violence affecting young black men needs to be denounced by everyone. All the gun crimes perpetrated by psychotic white men in theaters needs to be denounced. All the radical Muslim hate crimes, well, they don't really need my help, we're all in agreement about ISIS. It wouldn't be enough for me to tell you that my best friend is black, and I worry more for her two sons just going out and about in the community than I worry about what will happen to them at the hands of the police. And I am no fan of the police in general, because I've been hassled and accosted by too many power-tripping assholes with a gun and a badge who just want to scare you and feel like Big Men. It is true, though, that as 44 year old white lady I bet I'm safe from being shot unarmed in my car at a routine traffic stop. If you feel I was deflecting, I can promise you that is not my intent. I'm just really, really tired of a society where no one has much value for the lives of others anymore. I guess that's why I can't weigh in any further, because you're simply going to quote me (for what? You think nothing I said has value, you think I'm going to delete my post, whatever). I also can promise you that my heart goes out to these victims because we have put so much power in the hands of the police. They have a duty to protect, not to fly off the fucking handle because they got spooked. It's disgusting-- ALL of these deaths disgust me. Every day I see new news about another young black man getting shot, and it's not usually the police who are doing it. So what can we do to end this? I have no answers. I wish I did. I wish you did too. Are you still out of answers? Is anyone actually proud of the way they responded in this thread? I mean seriously. ZeeThey were my words, I own them, they weren't meant to hurt or degrade, I said I'm sorry, I can't prostrate myself any further or be any sorrier than that. If I had answers I wouldn't have said I don't. No, I haven't somehow found the answers to human violence since I first posted. |
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 1:56:38 GMT
I wish you did too. Are you still out of answers? Is anyone actually proud of the way they responded in this thread? I mean seriously. ZeeThey were my words, I own them, they weren't meant to hurt or degrade, I said I'm sorry, I can't prostrate myself any further or be any sorrier than that. If I had answers I wouldn't have said I don't. No, I haven't somehow found the answers to human violence since I first posted. I missed your apology. This thread was incredibly hurtful to me and totally changed my interactions with white women. In real life. Not online. My actual real life feelings were hurt. How anyone attacks my online persona and calls me rude or bitchy after reading this thread just baffles me. It was much easier to make me a villain than take ownership. Black on black crime is still a poor argument for what's happening right now. Its not an argument an intelligent woman should feel comfortable using. |
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Post by Zee on Oct 27, 2017 2:02:57 GMT
They were my words, I own them, they weren't meant to hurt or degrade, I said I'm sorry, I can't prostrate myself any further or be any sorrier than that. If I had answers I wouldn't have said I don't. No, I haven't somehow found the answers to human violence since I first posted. I missed your apology. This thread was incredibly hurtful to me and totally changed my interactions with white women. In real life. Not online. My actual real life feelings were hurt. How anyone attacks my online persona and calls me rude or bitchy after reading this thread just baffles me. It was much easier to make me a villain than take ownership. Black on black crime is still a poor argument for what's happening right now. Its not an argument an intelligent woman should feel comfortable using. I do agree with you that it's not an argument to use. I didn't feel I was arguing, though, but rather just reacting at the time to what was going on in local news. Lots of deaths of young black men. I am "auntie" to two young black men that I have know since they were tiny little boys. I don't think they just think of me as a white lady who thinks it's ok if they die. Our society is incredibly violent. It saddens me terribly. If I made you feel that i was dismissing you, I'm sorry. |
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Post by Olan on Oct 27, 2017 15:06:20 GMT
I missed your apology. This thread was incredibly hurtful to me and totally changed my interactions with white women. In real life. Not online. My actual real life feelings were hurt. How anyone attacks my online persona and calls me rude or bitchy after reading this thread just baffles me. It was much easier to make me a villain than take ownership. Black on black crime is still a poor argument for what's happening right now. Its not an argument an intelligent woman should feel comfortable using. I do agree with you that it's not an argument to use. I didn't feel I was arguing, though, but rather just reacting at the time to what was going on in local news. Lots of deaths of young black men. I am "auntie" to two young black men that I have know since they were tiny little boys. I don't think they just think of me as a white lady who thinks it's ok if they die. Our society is incredibly violent. It saddens me terribly. If I made you feel that i was dismissing you, I'm sorry. Our society is incredibly violent. Much of that violence has been against black bodies. It doesn't matter what your nephew thinks of you what matters is what you think of them! Your actions matter. Your words matter. You think "black on black crime" is relevant to discuss in cases like the ones this thread covered yet have black young males you call nephews. That's problematic. Castile wasn't involved in black on black crime, neither was Jordan Edwards. Both are dead. |
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Post by Zee on Oct 27, 2017 20:57:54 GMT
I do agree with you that it's not an argument to use. I didn't feel I was arguing, though, but rather just reacting at the time to what was going on in local news. Lots of deaths of young black men. I am "auntie" to two young black men that I have know since they were tiny little boys. I don't think they just think of me as a white lady who thinks it's ok if they die. Our society is incredibly violent. It saddens me terribly. If I made you feel that i was dismissing you, I'm sorry. Our society is incredibly violent. Much of that violence has been against black bodies. It doesn't matter what your nephew thinks of you what matters is what you think of them! Your actions matter. Your words matter. You think "black on black crime" is relevant to discuss in cases like the ones this thread covered yet have black young males you call nephews. That's problematic. Castile wasn't involved in black on black crime, neither was Jordan Edwards. Both are dead. I truly appreciate your insight into this, though I got my back up at your approach--although I meant no harm, I see why it may look different to you or them. |
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Post by mania on Oct 30, 2017 18:01:11 GMT
I don't even know what to say any more. I'm so sorry.
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Post by Olan on Apr 10, 2018 14:12:16 GMT
Olan I am bumping an old thread.
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Post by erinshavonne34 on Jun 5, 2018 5:12:55 GMT
It's all horrific The ending of black lives by other black men is just as much of an issue and I wish there was a way to stop all this violence I'm so, so sick of watching the news and setting how many young black men die and it's like so many of them don't value each other or lift each other up, you just have to be a mom or old before you see another way besides fast money and kill or be killed And that's really not just a young black man problem, it's a poverty problem The problem is way deeper than the United States cares to acknowledge. We talk about black on black crime.... But reality! If you live in a neighborhood with mostly black people if you're a victim the is probably by a black person. If you live in white neighborhood the criminal is probably white. You can claim black people claim black people commit more crime but is it really true? Or are black people just prosecuted more for crimes? Why do I say this....? Let's live in reality! If you spend your hold life watching local news and every night you see a black person arrested weather you admit it or not subconsciously you assume black people are criminals. From my own personal experience I married a man of different race . His family often would ask there is no philipino girls pretty enough for you. They would say it in my face, I was a young woman building self-esteem. As he family got to know me they began to believe not all black people are the same as the ones seen on news. Another point.. Why doesn't anyone see how ignorant it is to base people moral on skin color. |
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Post by erinshavonne34 on Jun 5, 2018 5:14:40 GMT
Question? Why are black people seen as unit and not individual. Either where special or your ignorant. You are right. It's horrible how those that are paid to protect and serve are all to often now becoming murderers. Its interesting to me that even though this issue has been in the spotlight for over two years now, some peas are only now seeing that all Americans are not treated equally under the law because of the Clinton email thing. Clearly they have not been paying attention, or they just think "eh. He was black so he had it coming." Or, since some black men are killing each other, it doesn't matter that the cops are killing them. SMH. I sure hope you're not talking about me. It ALL matters, and naturally I hold the police to a much higher standard than I do criminals. I'm tired of all of it, all the violence and lives lost for what? |
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 5, 2018 9:54:01 GMT
And you are bringing a TWO YEAR OLD thread to life because?
Go troll elsewhere.
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2018 10:15:22 GMT
And you are bringing a TWO YEAR OLD thread to life because? Go troll elsewhere. Olan had bumped it in April this year for whatever reason. |
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 5, 2018 10:20:45 GMT
Thanks, Gar. Stirring the pot was likely the reason.
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Post by Olan on Jun 5, 2018 10:31:54 GMT
Thanks, Gar. Stirring the pot was likely the reason. Just because you want to avoid reading a bumped thread doesn't mean the person bumping it is a troll or stirring the pot. Actually your commentary begins the stirring. Just tip toe around the thread like you do actual social injustices georgiapea Easy Peasy! |
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Post by Olan on Jun 5, 2018 10:34:36 GMT
And you are bringing a TWO YEAR OLD thread to life because? Go troll elsewhere. Olan had bumped it in April this year for whatever reason. If you had to guess a non-nefarious reason for bumping a thread would you be able to? What pot could I stir just me alone? Wouldn't it require some participation from other peas? Is it a shame thing? No one wants to revisit how they felt about police brutality in 2016? How many more unarmed black people have been killed since this thread died? Does anyone want to stand by the comment they made in 2016. First name last initial? |
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Post by Zee on Jun 5, 2018 11:55:27 GMT
It's all horrific The ending of black lives by other black men is just as much of an issue and I wish there was a way to stop all this violence I'm so, so sick of watching the news and setting how many young black men die and it's like so many of them don't value each other or lift each other up, you just have to be a mom or old before you see another way besides fast money and kill or be killed And that's really not just a young black man problem, it's a poverty problem The problem is way deeper than the United States cares to acknowledge. We talk about black on black crime.... But reality! If you live in a neighborhood with mostly black people if you're a victim the is probably by a black person. If you live in white neighborhood the criminal is probably white. You can claim black people claim black people commit more crime but is it really true? Or are black people just prosecuted more for crimes? Why do I say this....? Let's live in reality! If you spend your hold life watching local news and every night you see a black person arrested weather you admit it or not subconsciously you assume black people are criminals. From my own personal experience I married a man of different race . His family often would ask there is no philipino girls pretty enough for you. They would say it in my face, I was a young woman building self-esteem. As he family got to know me they began to believe not all black people are the same as the ones seen on news. Another point.. Why doesn't anyone see how ignorant it is to base people moral on skin color. Well you can read the rest of my comments to see why I expressed sadness at all the loss of all black lives on that day, but I do understand why my comment is seen the way you're seeing it, and I'm sorry to make anyone feel like I was trying to downplay police violence against black people. I was definitely not. And I certainly have never based morals on skin color. I no where said black people commit more crime, but it is truth that more black men kill each other than are killed by police and it needs to stop. Just like disturbed white men with access to guns shooting up malls and churches and schools and cinemas and casinos and every other place needs to stop. I don't pretend to have solutions, but less guns would seem to be a start. Thank you for sharing your input, I have really learned that I need to watch how I express myself on racial issues because when I suggest that all violence should stop it does sound like I'm dismissing police violence--and that is not at ALL what I am saying. ETA: welcome to the board erinshavonne34 |
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Post by Olan on Aug 27, 2020 10:47:03 GMT
Olan had bumped it in April this year for whatever reason. If you had to guess a non-nefarious reason for bumping a thread would you be able to? What pot could I stir just me alone? Wouldn't it require some participation from other peas? Is it a shame thing? No one wants to revisit how they felt about police brutality in 2016? How many more unarmed black people have been killed since this thread died? Does anyone want to stand by the comment they made in 2016. First name last initial? |
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