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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 19, 2016 16:12:17 GMT
I think that is a very common phrase. I agree. I think it's an extremely common phrase - but maybe because it's one of my father's very favorite. If I was to describe my upbringing - and in particular my father - I would use the phrase your word is your bond as he said it ALL THE TIME. That should not however, be misconstrued as a defense of Mrs. Trump's speech - it wasn't a single phrase that was repeated, or even a common theme. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 16:14:38 GMT
Predictable Retorts for $100, Alex I think the entire thread is full of predictable retorts and comments; including yours. And you're entitled to that opinion. I am simply exhausted with the bullshit on both sides. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 19, 2016 16:17:16 GMT
I think most of us are.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 19, 2016 16:19:00 GMT
I know the controversy over Melania's speech and the other thread, but I'm curious how you guys would rewrite these same concepts without plagiarizing.
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Post by quinmm14 on Jul 19, 2016 16:23:49 GMT
I think the OP was asking how difficult it would be to talk about a similar subject without using common phrases. I didn't read it as she agreed plagiarism is okay. Just my opinion.  But it IS easy. I would imagine that any college student writing a paper the morning it's due could probably figure out how to change enough words to make it past those programs professors use to detect plagarism... I agree with you, I personally don't think it would be a challenge for any student (or speech writer, professional or otherwise) to make sure they aren't plagiarizing content. I was just attempting to explain what I thought the OP was referencing. |
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Post by moretimeplease on Jul 19, 2016 16:24:06 GMT
I just can't get over certain people essentially saying "eh, no biggie". Of course if it was Hillary or Michelle Obama who had done this, they would be screaming their fool heads off with criticism. Smdh.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 19, 2016 16:25:21 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. You are right to a degree-at least for me. I don't care for Mr. Trump. I am uncomfortable with his message of complete doom and gloom for the country. I don't live in the same world of fear that I feel like his message portrays. But I am not one who would automatically hate his wife. I stayed up past my bedtime last night (  ) specifically to hear her speak. I have heard that she is an inspiring woman in her own right and was interested in what she had to say. So my comments about a plagiarized speech aren't based on how I feel about her husband, or even her really because I think someone else is responsible for the speech, but rather based on factual review of the two speeches. |
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Post by mom on Jul 19, 2016 16:27:07 GMT
Since when is "your word is your bond" a common phrase?? Actually, I would say it is fairly common. Michelle Obama is not the first time I've heard it, or the last, but I don't think that gives any credence to Trump's claim that it's all just coincidental. I actually looked this up. Apparently it was used a bunch in the ninety's in hip hop (who knew?!?). I hear it fairly often still, though. |
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Post by secondlife on Jul 19, 2016 16:28:22 GMT
So no public figure can talk about the way they were raised ever again without cries of "plagiarism?" The idea was not plagiarized. The words and phrasing were. Talking about your childhood is a classic storytelling technique. It's impossible to plagiarize that idea because it's so universal. But to reuse so much of the structure and phrasing of someone's pre-existing work without attribution is plagiarism. Intellectual property is a big deal to me. |
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Post by lucillebluth on Jul 19, 2016 16:28:46 GMT
So no public figure can talk about the way they were raised ever again without cries of "plagiarism?"
 Are you for real? Do you really not understand the issue here?
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Post by hop2 on Jul 19, 2016 16:31:37 GMT
Well, what my kids do when turning in an assignment, whether or not the teacher requires it, is they submit it to turn it in dot com and see how many phrases come up and then they either find a way to say it differently or the quote it and cite it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 19, 2016 16:34:10 GMT
Since when is "your word is your bond" a common phrase?? I think that is a very common phrase. A little off topic... Trumps "word" is not worth spit. Just ask all the contractors, investors, business associates that he gave his "word" to (via contract) then he went back on them, time and time again. And he did so knowing that his lawyers would ruin those who tried to sue. |
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 19, 2016 16:35:40 GMT
As a professor, this is an issue of utmost importance to me. The point is you don't rewrite something someone already wrote. Even if you use different words, the ideas are someone else's. Paraphrasing isn't enough to avoid plagiarism. The one single way to avoid "cries of 'plagiarism'"? Give credit. Whether it's to Michelle Obama or to a speechwriter, they weren't her ideas to present as her own. If you can't talk about something without using someone else's words or ideas, you either need to talk about something else, or give credit. Period. IIRC, paraphrasing Neil Kinnock's speeches is what tanked Joe Biden's 1988 presidential campaign. They were clearly recognized as plagiarism. The idea that Melania's speech wouldn't be immediately compared to Michelle Obama's is (IMHO) what makes this even more astonishing. I'm listening to Fox right now and Bret Baier called it malpractice on behalf of the speech writer. I'm betting Tiffany's and Don Jr's speeches are being gone over with a fine tooth comb right now. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 19, 2016 16:37:46 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. So Trump's claim that he "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and [he] wouldn't lose voters" is accurate? |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 19, 2016 16:38:07 GMT
^^^ I'm not really going to try and re-write the speech because I think it's really just a non-issue. There are thousands of words in the English language to get your point across. I wanted to point out that the phrases I bolded / changed color on are VERY SPECIFIC ways of wording things that make it really obvious they were lifted from Michelle Obama's speech. I would NEVER use the phrase 'your word is your bond' nor would I ever phrase 'the only limit to the height of your achievements...' in that specific way.
And the phrase 'we want our children in this nation to...' is soooo clunky it's OBVIOUS that it was from Michelle Obama's speech line with a few words taken out of the middle. I can NOT imagine anyone ever speaking- or writing- the phrase 'we want our children in this nation to...' (except maybe the poor girl who famously flubbed the speech in that beauty pageant.) |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 19, 2016 16:39:14 GMT
Since when is "your word is your bond" a common phrase?? I've been hearing various people say that particular phrase my whole life. Especially if you want to make it first person 'my word is my bond' was very common. It in fact has roots in the Old Testament. It's sorta common in my parents/grandparents generation. I still think 'someone' should get an F/zero on that assignment but the phrase your word is your bond is a pretty old fashioned phrase. It not just those 5 words though, it's those 5 words in practically the exact same context as the other speech. |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 19, 2016 16:41:29 GMT
I just can't get over certain people essentially saying "eh, no biggie". Of course if it was Hillary or Michelle Obama who had done this, they would be screaming their fool heads off with criticism. Smdh. I would care more if Hillary or Hillarys speech writer dudnt run a check than Michelle Obama. Frankly I don't really care what the First Ladies have to say. |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 19, 2016 16:42:00 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. So Trump's claim that he "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and [he] wouldn't lose voters" is accurate? Probably |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 19, 2016 16:43:49 GMT
I think that is a very common phrase. I agree. I have never used it, and I can't think of any instance where I've heard anyone use it other than these speeches. |
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 19, 2016 16:45:04 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. You are right to a degree-at least for me. I don't care for Mr. Trump. I am uncomfortable with his message of complete doom and gloom for the country. I don't live in the same world of fear that I feel like his message portrays. But I am not one who would automatically hate his wife. I stayed up past my bedtime last night ( ) specifically to hear her speak. I have heard that she is an inspiring woman in her own right and was interested in what she had to say. So my comments about a plagiarized speech aren't based on how I feel about her husband, or even her really because I think someone else is responsible for the speech, but rather based on factual review of the two speeches. I fall in this category. I really was interested in hearing from her. I remember one of the original seasons of The Apprentice when she hosted a dinner and a few of the women were telling her how lucky she was to be married to Donald and her response was a confused "he is lucky to have me". It was a priceless moment and she came across as strong and confident. I wish she hadn't sold it as a speech she wrote herself though. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 19, 2016 16:45:14 GMT
Why is it we can't have a treadmill about a political topic or figure without the bullshit...We'll so and so did something completely irrelevant to this topic.
George Bush did x...We'll Clinton got a blow job
If it was relevant, say both had to do with a foreign policy, then absolutely. But what the hell does plagiarism have to do with hillary lying about xyz?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 16:45:40 GMT
I think that is a very common phrase. I agree. Very common. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 19, 2016 16:45:42 GMT
I have never used it, and I can't think of any instance where I've heard anyone use it other than these speeches. me neither, but maybe it is one of those regional phrases we were discussing. |
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Post by lesley on Jul 19, 2016 16:47:56 GMT
And you're entitled to that opinion. I am simply exhausted with the bullshit on both sides. If you're that exhausted by the bullshit ~Lauren~, why do you insist on perpetuating it? |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 19, 2016 16:49:17 GMT
I think it's so easy to say that these are common things, but the fact of the matter is they had to review last convention wife speeches to get an idea of what to write for her. They are using the exact same words. If I was Melania, I would have wrote about her immigrant experience and how great America is a country for her and the difference her childhood was from her son. I would talk about the philanthropy I've seen Donald doing and misconceptions about his personality. Positive interactions he's had with immigrants she knows. Not vague nonsense about the things my parents instilled in her. ^^^ THIS!!! I didn't watch the speech, but reading it? I got NOTHING from it about Melania's immigrant experience, nothing personal about Donald Trump, nothing but a bunch of phrases that I WOULD NOT USE to describe the same things. And I totally agree, it is those specific words and phrases, strung together in that SPECIFIC order, that make it SO VERY OBVIOUS. (and nothing I've said- or most other people on this thread-- has anything to DO with Donald or Hillary at ALL, just about THIS SPEECH and plagiarism.) |
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Post by amom23 on Jul 19, 2016 16:49:25 GMT
Since when is "your word is your bond" a common phrase?? I think that is a very common phrase. I've never heard it.  |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 19, 2016 16:51:42 GMT
If she had come up with her own ideas without listening to/reading the speech by Michelle Obama, it would have been easier for her to come up with a different angle. For example, If you hear someone say something that you agree with and resonate with, it is hard not to paraphrase and say something very similar since you just heard it said one way. However, if you come up with your own words first, it is likely to sound different, even if the main idea is similar. Some of her words were too close, and it was obvious that they were taken from the other speech. I could be wrong, but I could imagine her doing a search for First Lady speeches, she saw the one from Michelle Obama and liked it, and though, "Hey, let me say something like that. I agree with that." The rest is history. It should have been vetted, but I think if she did indeed write it as she claimed to, the responsibility is hers.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 19, 2016 16:51:53 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. I was wondering when you were going to show up and defend the scumbag. So predictable. |
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 19, 2016 16:52:52 GMT
Your word is your bond is a common phrase for a non-native English speaker? Hmmm, interesting. I think you are totally full of shit but maybe it is a regional thing. Defend your people, do your thing, but please, don't insult your own intelligence by believing such nonsense. It makes you look silly.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 19, 2016 16:53:00 GMT
MizIndependent: Growing up, I watched how hard my parents worked. Nothing came easily to them. In a time of upheaval and contention in our country, I watched as they struggled, I saw and lived their hardships. They sacrificed their personal wants and desires for their family. They lived the American values of hard work and dedication. They showed me what it means to be a responsible person and no matter the cost to them personally, they remained true to their values and beliefs. Respect for others, always, even in the face of disagreement and always treat others with dignity and kindness. These have always been the cornerstone in my household. Their example left an indelible mark on me and is one I strive to pass on to my children every single day because it is only by inspiring our children to greatness that they can begin to imagine their possibilities. If they put in the work and dedicate themselves they can achieve anything. This is the message I want to send to the next generation, and for them to send to generations to follow. As Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We cannot always build a future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future." Nicely done MizIndependent  . |
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) specifically to hear her speak. I have heard that she is an inspiring woman in her own right and was interested in what she had to say. So my comments about a plagiarized speech aren't based on how I feel about her husband, or even her really because I think someone else is responsible for the speech, but rather based on factual review of the two speeches. 
Are you for real? Do you really not understand the issue here? 
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