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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 23:04:21 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. But you are leaving out those that are undecided. Can you not possibly consider how badly this might look to those that are undecided? I agree that there are those on either side that will not change their minds no matter what, but I think there is a larger group you are dismissing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 23:12:43 GMT
I can't help but think it's a win-win for them and wouldn't be surprised if they made the decision to use the speech after someone pointed out the similarities. They know how to use the publicity machine and love to get people riled up. DT has always shown us who he is. I guess it's more difficult to swallow now that there is an actual possibility he could be our president.    |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 19, 2016 23:19:05 GMT
his tweet was exactly the same, too?? seriously?!?  are we SURE we're not all being played for fools?? (well, I know we all are all the time, now, but... you know what I mean.) |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 19, 2016 23:23:31 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. But you are leaving out those that are undecided. Can you not possibly consider how badly this might look to those that are undecided? I agree that there are those on either side that will not change their minds no matter what, but I think there is a larger group you are dismissing. Here's the way I see it. If Milania's speech is what makes you decide your vote, then you had decided before who you were voting for. |
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Post by raindancer on Jul 19, 2016 23:27:06 GMT
his tweet was exactly the same, too?? seriously?!? are we SURE we're not all being played for fools?? (well, I know we all are all the time, now, but... you know what I mean.) Yeah. Now they are mocking people. He's just such an asshole. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 23:48:47 GMT
But you are leaving out those that are undecided. Can you not possibly consider how badly this might look to those that are undecided? I agree that there are those on either side that will not change their minds no matter what, but I think there is a larger group you are dismissing. Here's the way I see it. If Milania's speech is what makes you decide your vote, then you had decided before who you were voting for. I do not expect in the least that one point be a deciding factor...at all. I find Milania to be fabulously poised and am very interested at her views from an immigrant standpoint. How can you deny that some people that find Trump to be brash in character, like his policies but not his delivery, that if they connected with his wife...that things like that can swing a vote? If everyone is so decided then why bother with all the pomp and circumstance then? |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 19, 2016 23:50:49 GMT
I don't think "everyone" has decided. I just don't think Milania's speech is going to be the tipping point for anyone who is undecided, or even a major factor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 23:51:52 GMT
his tweet was exactly the same, too?? seriously?!? are we SURE we're not all being played for fools?? (well, I know we all are all the time, now, but... you know what I mean.) President Obama did not use Twitter until last year. It's a joke. A good one, but definitely not real. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 19, 2016 23:58:49 GMT
his tweet was exactly the same, too?? seriously?!? are we SURE we're not all being played for fools?? (well, I know we all are all the time, now, but... you know what I mean.) President Obama did not use Twitter until last year. It's a joke. A good one, but definitely not real. whew!! <wipes sweat off forehead> I REALLY wish it was all over with already... |
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Post by elaine on Jul 20, 2016 0:00:20 GMT
Have you not been following the news? No one cares that the two disagree, but that Donald Trump, on national television clearly said that he views Pence's vote on the Iraq War as a past mistake that he doesn't care about, but that he views Hillary's same vote on the Iraq War as something he will never forgive and which makes her incompetent to serve as President. Two opposite standards for the exact same action by his running mate and Hllary. That he actually admitted to. On 60 Minutes. Forgive me for not watching 60 Minutes. For shame. And he has a double standard with his running mate vs. his opponent. Oh, the horror. It was all over the news, and here too. I assumed you were up to date. Sorry. If you don't have a problem with a double-standard, are you going to stop harping on what you see as people giving Hillary a pass, while criticizing Trump? I, for one, would welcome that. Because people are dying around the world and all, so there are many more important things to focus on than Hillary.  (Tongue firmly in cheek) |
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Post by Zee on Jul 20, 2016 3:07:34 GMT
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Post by cade387 on Jul 20, 2016 17:31:34 GMT
Lets be honest. There is nothing that Trump or his family do that will not be fodder for those who oppose him to harp on. No matter how trivial, it will be "OMG" from people. Nor will they stop giving Hillary a pass for her actions. Shrug. Honestly, at this point, I doubt there are more than a handful of people who have not decided on who they will be voting for and all of the claims of "how appalling" are more for the benefit of the people saying it than it is for anything else. For me, and everyone I know IRL, whatever the candidates or their proponents say at this point will have no impact at all on who we vote for. Can you be honest and admit that if Michelle had done this with some words from Laura Bush that Fox News would all over it and the "other" side would be salivating about plagiarism? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 17:32:46 GMT
The sacrificial lamb has been chosen and has spoke.  |
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 20, 2016 17:41:43 GMT
The sacrificial lamb has been chosen and has spoke. I just saw this on the news. For anyone interested in the apology. SaveSave |
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Post by cade387 on Jul 20, 2016 17:44:35 GMT
But you are leaving out those that are undecided. Can you not possibly consider how badly this might look to those that are undecided? I agree that there are those on either side that will not change their minds no matter what, but I think there is a larger group you are dismissing. Here's the way I see it. If Milania's speech is what makes you decide your vote, then you had decided before who you were voting for. I'm undecided. Her speech doesn't mean anything to mean. How his campaign handles it speaks volumes. If you can't see that is what people are referring to, then oh well. |
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 20, 2016 18:10:07 GMT
The sacrificial lamb has been chosen and has spoke. I just saw this on the news. For anyone interested in the apology. SaveSaveBut yesterday we were all "lying" [Trump's campaign's word] about it. And today he admits it but says everyone makes mistakes. okaaay...  However, nice of Melania to say she's always admired Michelle Obama. Especially since so many Republicans think she's "trash". |
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 20, 2016 18:10:38 GMT
Here's the way I see it. If Milania's speech is what makes you decide your vote, then you had decided before who you were voting for. I'm undecided. Her speech doesn't mean anything to mean. How his campaign handles it speaks volumes. If you can't see that is what people are referring to, then oh well. |
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Post by jayfab on Jul 20, 2016 20:40:56 GMT
Here's the way I see it. If Milania's speech is what makes you decide your vote, then you had decided before who you were voting for. I'm undecided. Her speech doesn't mean anything to mean. How his campaign handles it speaks volumes. If you can't see that is what people are referring to, then oh well.100% this. SaveSave |
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 21, 2016 18:53:41 GMT
I think the OP was asking how difficult it would be to talk about a similar subject without using common phrases. I didn't read it as she agreed plagiarism is okay. Just my opinion.  You are quite right and thank you.
I was also raised with the values of attaining my goals by working hard for what I wanted. That you treat others with dignity and respect.
I'm now damn sorry I asked the freaking question. I certainly won't make that mistake again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 19:17:32 GMT
Here's the way I see it. If Milania's speech is what makes you decide your vote, then you had decided before who you were voting for.I'm undecided. Her speech doesn't mean anything to mean. How his campaign handles it speaks volumes. If you can't see that is what people are referring to, then oh well. I think that proves her point exactly. If how the Trump campaign handles something as insignificant as a speech bothers you, but how Hillary handled being caught putting national security and actual lives at risk DOESN'T bother you, then you've already decided. |
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Post by papersilly on Jul 21, 2016 19:18:34 GMT
if I were her, I would have spoken about my immigrant experience too.
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Post by cade387 on Jul 21, 2016 22:01:22 GMT
I'm undecided. Her speech doesn't mean anything to mean. How his campaign handles it speaks volumes. If you can't see that is what people are referring to, then oh well. I think that proves her point exactly. If how the Trump campaign handles something as insignificant as a speech bothers you, but how Hillary handled being caught putting national security and actual lives at risk DOESN'T bother you, then you've already decided. When did I say it didn't bother me? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 22:09:55 GMT
I think that proves her point exactly. If how the Trump campaign handles something as insignificant as a speech bothers you, but how Hillary handled being caught putting national security and actual lives at risk DOESN'T bother you, then you've already decided. When did I say it didn't bother me? Sorry, I meant a general you, not you in particular. Sorry I wasn't clear.  |
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 21, 2016 22:14:23 GMT
I think that proves her point exactly. If how the Trump campaign handles something as insignificant as a speech bothers you, but how Hillary handled being caught putting national security and actual lives at risk DOESN'T bother you, then you've already decided. I think what Hillary did was horrible, but what scares me more is Donald's lack of control or appointing the right people. A speech was blatantly plagiarized. Ted Cruz was invited to speak when most Republican politicians can't stand them. They didn't think that would end up with Ted trying to make look Ted good? Colorado delegates left the floor. Utah pledged it's delegates to Ted Cruz. The latest speculation is that Hillary is looking for a vice president who is strong with national security. She realizes she messed up big time and she could lose this race. She knew what she was doing with those e-mails. I'm not seeing wise decisions from Trump during this convention and especially what has came out of his mouth from the beginning. It's a matter of what fraud or liar do you think would be better at running this country? For me, Hillary is barely the lesser of 2 evils. I don't want Trump in charge of that red button. I cannot see how he can be diplomatic with countries like Iran and North Korea. There's always a third party candidate to choose from. |
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