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Post by beebee on Jul 23, 2016 18:03:05 GMT
But the point is that a lot of people WOULD be swayed by the underhanded tactics. Maybe not you, but many would. Obviously the DNC knew this. What does that say about the people who vote then. Not very flattering. If the voters are that stupid maybe we deserve the mess we find ourself in. I don't think it makes people look stupid. I think it makes people look manipulated. And I think the organization doing the manipulation is wrong for doing it. Why not just let the election process run its natural course and let the will of the people rule?!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 18:36:24 GMT
What does that say about the people who vote then. Not very flattering. If the voters are that stupid maybe we deserve the mess we find ourself in. I don't think it makes people look stupid. I think it makes people look manipulated. And I think the organization doing the manipulation is wrong for doing it. Why not just let the election process run its natural course and let the will of the people rule?!! Sorry if voters let themselves be manipulated by a third party instead doing their own homework before they vote then they are stupid. Today in this instant Information Age we live in there is no excuse for not spending some time looking to see what the candidates have to say on their positions. By the way, I also feel this way about negative ads. In the last general election the citizens of CA got screwed because enough people didn't do their homework and got taken in by negative ads that didn't quite tell the truth.
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Post by lisae on Jul 23, 2016 18:47:50 GMT
What an insult to those of us that didn't vote for Bernie. That we were not able to make our decision based on Sander's agenda but needed the "dirty" tricks that the DNC may or may have not done for us to decide that we didn't want Sanders as the Democratic nominee. Sanders lost because the majority of Democrats didn't want him to be the nominee. And for those who think the system was somehow rigged against Sanders or the DNC plotted against Sanders and that is why he lost I would like to remind them that: 1. The rules for Democratic primaries were in place long before Sanders decided to become a Democrat to use the Democratic political machine to run for president. And if there was confusion of what needed to be done to vote that is on the Sanders Campaign for not educating their supporters what needed to be done to vote or on the supporters themselves for not finding out what needed to be done. 2. And in spite Sanders whining about super delegates he still lost by 3+ million votes. So in the end the super delegates went with the candidate who had the most votes and had from the very beginning. I agree. Trump has proven that you can win without your party's support, even with your party talking you down publicly and trying everything they could come up with to get you overturned at the convention. I certainly wish the RNC had been successful but he got the votes. I came to like Sanders and respect him. He is probably the most honest one running in either camp. I almost voted for him in the primary but in the end, Hillary Clinton's platform is far closer to my beliefs. So she got my vote. This is hardly the first time a party has anointed their candidate and worked to advance them. George W. Bush was the favored one of the Republicans in 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 19:20:35 GMT
What an insult to those of us that didn't vote for Bernie. That we were not able to make our decision based on Sander's agenda but needed the "dirty" tricks that the DNC may or may have not done for us to decide that we didn't want Sanders as the Democratic nominee. Sanders lost because the majority of Democrats didn't want him to be the nominee. And for those who think the system was somehow rigged against Sanders or the DNC plotted against Sanders and that is why he lost I would like to remind them that: 1. The rules for Democratic primaries were in place long before Sanders decided to become a Democrat to use the Democratic political machine to run for president. And if there was confusion of what needed to be done to vote that is on the Sanders Campaign for not educating their supporters what needed to be done to vote or on the supporters themselves for not finding out what needed to be done. 2. And in spite Sanders whining about super delegates he still lost by 3+ million votes. So in the end the super delegates went with the candidate who had the most votes and had from the very beginning. I agree. Trump has proven that you can win without your party's support, even with your party talking you down publicly and trying everything they could come up with to get you overturned at the convention. I certainly wish the RNC had been successful but he got the votes. I came to like Sanders and respect him. He is probably the most honest one running in either camp. I almost voted for him in the primary but in the end, Hillary Clinton's platform is far closer to my beliefs. So she got my vote. This is hardly the first time a party has anointed their candidate and worked to advance them. George W. Bush was the favored one of the Republicans in 2000. ITA with both of these comments. I don't understand why anyone would be surprised at these emails, Bernie was never a Democrat, so of course the "powers to be" at the DNC are going to be strategizing against a run by someone who only became a Democrat to run for President.....and you gotta laugh at the GOP weighing in......it's that whole "those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 19:38:52 GMT
Possibly. I think a lot will depend on Bernie's response to this. If he cries foul, that could complicate things. Which is what makes me think there's some scrambling going on right now to keep him in line. "Oh for crying out loud. Now I have to go have another secret meeting."
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Post by M~ on Jul 23, 2016 19:38:52 GMT
I'm simply outraged. (eyeroll)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 19:38:58 GMT
If WikiLeaks was so concerned about transparency and democracy, they would also leak emails from the RNC, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin......anything else smells pretty fishy.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 23, 2016 20:20:35 GMT
I don't view it as trying to sink a candidate. You can read it another way and think he wants the info so he can prepare his "guys".
If I was a party official I'd want potential issues resolved in advance. It's politics, almost by definition you know those involved have favorites, but that doesn't mean they're acting on them. He might be doing his job, trying to clear the air.
I haven't read subsequent reports, maybe I'm way off base. I'm tired of leaks, spin, and dirty players. I'm especially tired of blame it always on the "other one". It's taking time away from talk about issues and solutions.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 23, 2016 20:33:50 GMT
First, I have to start with "released/leaked" or ..." hacked."
Yes, by all means, lets justify hacking.
Isn't the DNC's main goal to get a Democrat into the White House? You seriously can not be that surprised.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 23, 2016 20:55:20 GMT
First, I have to start with "released/leaked" or ..." hacked." Yes, by all means, lets justify hacking. Isn't the DNC's main goal to get a Democrat into the White House? You seriously can not be that surprised. I'm not at all surprised. This nomination was promised to Hillary 8.5 years ago when she stepped aside for Obama. It's the main reason I never understood why Bernie even ran as a Democrat? He WAS an independent and why in earth would they support him when they already decided on their candidate 2 conventions ago. He should have run as the independant he was. He can't now because it'll look like sour grapes or whatever. If he hadnt tried the democratic primary already he could be that fresh face everyone thinks they will get with trump. The DNC system of super delegates is nothing new. It was obvious they promised this to her why bother to try to swim upriver. He set himself up to fail. And really I'm sad and sorry for the US if there's such a major difference between being a practicing Jew and being an atheist. Proclaiming you are or aren't invested in a religion doesn't make you have morals and adhere to them. It doesn't make you more honest. Matter of fact I know more supreme dishonest jerks who use 'religion' as a mask or smokescreen than I know dishonest atheists. I know. Anecdotal - ymmv. However 'saying' you belive xyz doesn't make it so. Look at what they do and who they are instead. Because saying it is just words. Acting/doing is who/what they are at their core which ever belief system they have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 21:03:20 GMT
If he hadnt tried the democratic primary already he could be that fresh face everyone thinks they will get with trump. As much as I agree with everything else you wrote, there is no way that Bernie Sanders would ever be considered a fresh face. He's been in government since the 70s. As an independent, yes, but still very much a part of the government system. I don't think that doesn't mean he couldn't have had a good run but it wouldn't be because he was a fresh face in government like Trump is perceived to be.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 23, 2016 21:06:21 GMT
Worse yet, it reveals some ugly hatred:
Agreed. It's gross. Again, I can't imagine what RNC emails look like. I wish Guccifer would get all up in some RNC email. Hey, if it's good for the goose... I guess it depends who is involved in any email. I'm sure a lot of people within the Republican Party sent some pretty juicy stuff that would keep tabloids going for quite a while. The efforts to find someone other than Trump are hardly secret. I bet some of the worst things said were about Cruz. Politics is such an ugly business.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 23, 2016 21:08:32 GMT
Almost posted on this yesterday...twice. It's a totally FUBARed situation that looks like it will only get worse since more emails releases are expected, ahead of the DNC.
If you thought the RNC was a shit show, buckle up! You literally ain't seen nuthin' yet!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 23, 2016 21:09:23 GMT
What does that say about the people who vote then. Not very flattering. Haven't you ever seen "man on the street" interviews? Most people are clueless when it comes to our government.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 23, 2016 21:14:03 GMT
I have decided to write in BF name come November. Jen Oh hell no. I would never pass the background check. There's not a shovel large enough for the shit they could dig up on me. You just got my vote!
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 23, 2016 21:16:58 GMT
If WikiLeaks was so concerned about transparency and democracy, they would also leak emails from the RNC, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin......anything else smells pretty fishy. I'm still hoping Anonymous makes good on their promise about Trump. I honestly can't remember if that threat was proven or it was a hoax.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 23, 2016 21:40:05 GMT
What does that say about the people who vote then. Not very flattering. Haven't you ever seen "man on the street" interviews? Most people are clueless when it comes to our government. And it's not just under-educated people. The *man on the street* interviews on college campuses make me go
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 21:53:44 GMT
If WikiLeaks was so concerned about transparency and democracy, they would also leak emails from the RNC, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin......anything else smells pretty fishy. I'm not sure they are all that concerned about "transparency and democracy," but the last I read their attempt to penetrate the RNC and Trump systems were unsuccessful. As for Putin, well, it's the Russians who are rumored to have broken into the DNC in the first place.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 22:05:35 GMT
If WikiLeaks was so concerned about transparency and democracy, they would also leak emails from the RNC, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin......anything else smells pretty fishy. I'm not sure they are all that concerned about "transparency and democracy," but the last I read their attempt to penetrate the RNC and Trump systems were unsuccessful. As for Putin, well, it's the Russians who are rumored to have broken into the DNC in the first place. Not surprising. I think the Russians, especially Putin, would LOVE to see Trump in power. That should tell you something.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 23, 2016 22:19:55 GMT
If he hadnt tried the democratic primary already he could be that fresh face everyone thinks they will get with trump. As much as I agree with everything else you wrote, there is no way that Bernie Sanders would ever be considered a fresh face. He's been in government since the 70s. As an independent, yes, but still very much a part of the government system. I don't think that doesn't mean he couldn't have had a good run but it wouldn't be because he was a fresh face in government like Trump is perceived to be. Ok I'll agree
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Post by birukitty on Jul 24, 2016 1:24:44 GMT
First, I have to start with "released/leaked" or ..." hacked." Yes, by all means, lets justify hacking. Isn't the DNC's main goal to get a Democrat into the White House? You seriously can not be that surprised. I'm not at all surprised. This nomination was promised to Hillary 8.5 years ago when she stepped aside for Obama. It's the main reason I never understood why Bernie even ran as a Democrat? He WAS an independent and why in earth would they support him when they already decided on their candidate 2 conventions ago. He should have run as the independant he was. He can't now because it'll look like sour grapes or whatever. If he hadnt tried the democratic primary already he could be that fresh face everyone thinks they will get with trump. The DNC system of super delegates is nothing new. It was obvious they promised this to her why bother to try to swim upriver. He set himself up to fail. And really I'm sad and sorry for the US if there's such a major difference between being a practicing Jew and being an atheist. Proclaiming you are or aren't invested in a religion doesn't make you have morals and adhere to them. It doesn't make you more honest. Matter of fact I know more supreme dishonest jerks who use 'religion' as a mask or smokescreen than I know dishonest atheists. I know. Anecdotal - ymmv. However 'saying' you belive xyz doesn't make it so. Look at what they do and who they are instead. Because saying it is just words. Acting/doing is who/what they are at their core which ever belief system they have. What country are you living in? Because the last time I looked here in the USA a nomination in any party isn't "promised" to anyone. A person can run as a candidate in a party for President but then the people of the country vote in primary elections and whoever has the most votes, the most delegates and the most superdelegates wins the nomination. The fact is the DNC made up their mind a long time ago that Hillary would be their candidate. It didn't matter what we the people wanted or how we voted. Voter fraud took place again and again. The numbers do not match mathematically, and now in addition to the email that was leaked that the OP revealed, other emails have been leaked showing evidence of this voter fraud. Is this the kind of country you want to live in? This is like having a dictator. Why vote at all? We Bernie supporters have been saying it for months and now, today, there is proof. Bernie Sanders had a right to run as a Democrat and he did. He deserves the nomination. It is the only way to beat Trump.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 24, 2016 1:40:59 GMT
I'm not at all surprised. This nomination was promised to Hillary 8.5 years ago when she stepped aside for Obama. It's the main reason I never understood why Bernie even ran as a Democrat? He WAS an independent and why in earth would they support him when they already decided on their candidate 2 conventions ago. He should have run as the independant he was. He can't now because it'll look like sour grapes or whatever. If he hadnt tried the democratic primary already he could be that fresh face everyone thinks they will get with trump. The DNC system of super delegates is nothing new. It was obvious they promised this to her why bother to try to swim upriver. He set himself up to fail. And really I'm sad and sorry for the US if there's such a major difference between being a practicing Jew and being an atheist. Proclaiming you are or aren't invested in a religion doesn't make you have morals and adhere to them. It doesn't make you more honest. Matter of fact I know more supreme dishonest jerks who use 'religion' as a mask or smokescreen than I know dishonest atheists. I know. Anecdotal - ymmv. However 'saying' you belive xyz doesn't make it so. Look at what they do and who they are instead. Because saying it is just words. Acting/doing is who/what they are at their core which ever belief system they have. What country are you living in? Because the last time I looked here in the USA a nomination in any party isn't "promised" to anyone. A person can run as a candidate in a party for President but then the people of the country vote in primary elections and whoever has the most votes, the most delegates and the most superdelegates wins the nomination. The fact is the DNC made up their mind a long time ago that Hillary would be their candidate. It didn't matter what we the people wanted or how we voted. Voter fraud took place again and again. The numbers do not match mathematically, and now in addition to the email that was leaked that the OP revealed, other emails have been leaked showing evidence of this voter fraud. Is this the kind of country you want to live in? This is like having a dictator. Why vote at all? We Bernie supporters have been saying it for months and now, today, there is proof. Bernie Sanders had a right to run as a Democrat and he did. He deserves the nomination. It is the only way to beat Trump. I didn't say I wanted Hillary. Nor did I say this is how the system is supposed to work. I just said it was pretty obvious, even to an outsider, that when Hillary stepped aside for Obama she secured the 'party' backing for 2016. I also stated that IMO Bernie miscalculated becoming a democrat to try to win, He would have fared much better throwing his hat in the ring as an independant right about now. No, this isn't how I want the system to work, but it's how it works. The party elite have controlled whom I can choose from for too long. Frankly I'm shocked that Trump secured the nomination despite that. Flabbergasted. Maybe the republicans really are falling apart
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Post by jumperhop on Jul 24, 2016 7:15:24 GMT
I have decided to write in BF name come November. Jen Oh hell no. I would never pass the background check. There's not a shovel large enough for the shit they could dig up on me. Oh Please...... Need I remind you corrupt, dishonest, criminal Hillary Bleeping Clinton is a shoe in for President of the Unites States of America! Plus you don't get say who I vote for in the election. And I am looking forward to writing in my first candidate. Jen
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Post by jumperhop on Jul 24, 2016 7:32:53 GMT
Oh hell no. I would never pass the background check. There's not a shovel large enough for the shit they could dig up on me. BF for president - full pea cabinet OK jumperhop I'm in. Do we get to have a convention? Speeches? Buttons? psssssssssssst Is there a BF for pres Lawn sign I can purchase? I will never underestimate the power of the peas. Her tag line can be, "bringing Comon sense back to America! "vote for the Uno heiresses she is the UNO and only." BF for pres, better than the other two options". "Vote for BF she says never let us down." "Bring balls back to Washington BF 2016" burningfeather
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 24, 2016 8:40:38 GMT
BF for president - full pea cabinet OK jumperhop I'm in. Do we get to have a convention? Speeches? Buttons? psssssssssssst Is there a BF for pres Lawn sign I can purchase? I will never underestimate the power of the peas. Her tag line can be, "bringing Comon sense back to America! "vote for the Uno heiresses she is the UNO and only." BF for pres, better than the other two options". "Vote for BF she says never let us down." "Bring balls back to Washington BF 2016" burningfeather burningfeather - Looks like you've got a campaign manager!
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 24, 2016 16:55:43 GMT
--- More 7/24
~The DNC was directly involved in several protests at Trump events, especially sending interns to attend so the photos would look good.
~Debbie Wasserman Schultz is going to open and close, but won’t be allowed to speak at her own convention!
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 24, 2016 17:04:56 GMT
~The DNC was directly involved in several protests at Trump events, especially sending interns to attend so the photos would look good. ~Debbie Wasserman Schultz is going to open and close, but won’t be allowed to speak at her own convention! Not surprised at this first one and would not be surprised to see Republicans doing the same. The second one seems very odd.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 24, 2016 17:08:34 GMT
--- More 7/24 ~The DNC was directly involved in several protests at Trump events, especially sending interns to attend so the photos would look good. ~Debbie Wasserman Schultz is going to open and close, but won’t be allowed to speak at her own convention! Actually Debbie Wasserman Schultz is out and has been permanently replaced with Fudge.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 24, 2016 17:20:14 GMT
Does the fact that RNC emails were not leaked change anything about what the DNC did? No. So why use that excuse?
I'm obviously not a Dem but if I were a Bernie supporter, I'd be more than pissed. And it wouldn't make a difference to me what the REpublicans were doing.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 24, 2016 17:32:25 GMT
Does the fact that RNC emails were not leaked change anything about what the DNC did? No. So why use that excuse? I'm obviously not a Dem but if I were a Bernie supporter, I'd be more than pissed. And it wouldn't make a difference to me what the REpublicans were doing. What post are you talking about? And what do you mean by that excuse?
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