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Post by scrapmaven on Aug 30, 2016 16:10:02 GMT
Doesn't matter, because if he plays a bad game on Thursday he'll likely be the American citizen who used to be the quarterback for the 49ers.
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Post by Woobster on Aug 30, 2016 16:10:28 GMT
I have zero issue with how he feels, or the fact that he wants to stand up and voice (or show) his disapproval. I think his choice of venue is poor.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 30, 2016 16:16:45 GMT
Does he have the right? Sure! Should he escape consequences? Nope. This is a man who is calling attention to himself. He's not backing up his protest with actions. He's just running his mouth, and from a position that is completely detached and often opposite from the issue he protests. I'm hearing that the 49ers plan to cut him. Gee, that's what he wanted at the end of last season, as I recall. he's been hurt, had multiple surgeries and just not performing as they expected and his gf is a VJ with MTV (or something like that) he'd like to be traded to the Jets to be closer to her - according to reports football fans are thinking this is an attention getter gina Um well then maybe he really didn't think that all they way thru because jets fans are among the group of people whom I think will not 'like' his protest. And it's obvious that the Giants disapprove so he cut his chances of playing here by half. ( but they probably wouldn't take him anyway ) BUT on the other hand, if he does really want to transfer, Newark, Paterson & Camden all have issues he can get involved helping with at numerous community organizations.
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2016 16:19:01 GMT
He can do whatever he likes, he is not hurting anyone. BUT if he is so concerned is he doing anything about it. He lives in a huge house and makes millions of dollars, is he donating any time or money to help inner city programs for these oppressed people??? If the answer is no, then he can sit down and shut the hell up This is how I feel about it. I feel like his sitting down is right up there with the Facebook "activism". I get what he's saying and don't doubt he probably have experienced it at some point in his life. At the same time, he makes way more money than a good chunk of us and can do more with that money. If he wants to see change, why isn't he being part of that change? It's easy to be all talk but harder to be part of the action. If I see him working with a program to help the people he says are oppressed, then I'd more likely to say "good for him!" If he's not going to be a part of the solution, then yeah, it's all talk. I think this is very different from FB slactivism. He is actually doing something by sitting.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 30, 2016 16:22:03 GMT
Now that you have our attention, put your money where you mouth is....do something that will actually help. he actually does have Camp Taylor - for children with heart defects - two older brother died as infants it would be nice to see him do some actual work in the area he finds fault with gina
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Post by compwalla on Aug 30, 2016 16:23:20 GMT
you know what i think.....i think he's a mediocre quarterback - who needs some attention he might stand in solidarity with oppressed people - but he, himself, not so much he was adopted by a family - that i know - good people from a town i grew up in i think that he is influenced by fame, fortune, friends, and the media i don't think he really thought this thru and then i wonder about the Russell Wison 'blackish' issue that he went thru - some of his teammates gave him shit about being not 'black' enough it makes me wonder....did this young man - worry that his black peers might feel the same about him? did he feel that, by making this stand, he would put those worries to bed or maybe, he thinks that blacks are oppressed in the US and is standing with them it really doesn't matter why - he has the right to sit out the national anthem he has the right - it's the amendment right above the 2d! and it makes me furious that people, who cling to the 2d with a death grip, ignore the first ETA - army veteran - who thinks it's weird that we are listing our 'status' - (vets, spouse - deployments) cos it doesn't matter if you 'fought' for the right - cos really - that fight was a long time ago and we weren't in it - we just reaped the rewards gina The thing is, it doesn't make a bit of difference if a black man was adopted by white people. Doesn't matter if his black teammates think he's black enough. Doesn't matter how much privilege he enjoys in his day to day life. When you get pulled over, you're as black as any other black person. Professors, businessmen, professional athletes, elected officials, doctors, all of them get pulled over and are often mistreated by police. This poor guy was stopped 258 and charged with trespassing at his own fucking job. So. I think he DID think it through and I think he has every right to be upset about what he's upset about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 16:28:12 GMT
Why is the assumption made that he doesn't support charities or engage in other kinds of activism?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 16:29:28 GMT
I just take it as a little hypocritical. I don't believe he really understands the plight of the everyday oppressed man (nor do I), so I see it as a little silly. Not that you can't speak on behalf of others (you should) but to amount himself to those truly oppressed is out of touch.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 30, 2016 16:31:45 GMT
while I agree with someone's right to not stand during the National Anthem, burn the flag, whatever-- this gesture does seem a bit like Facebook slacktivism to me, as well. How is his method of protest related at ALL to what he's protesting? (but then, I didn't really see the point of the ALS icebucket challenge, or many other similar things, either.)
(I also think he's probably mainly looking for media attention, too-- being the start of a new football season, and all-- because I'm pretty cynical about pro athletes in general.)
eta: why do I think he doesn't participate in other kinds of activism?? Because this is what we've heard about, not any other kinds of activism. Whether that's because he does NOT, or because the media is not covering it, I have no idea. But I'm figuring if he DID do any other sorts of activism, the media would be talking about this in a larger context.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 16:34:26 GMT
I just take it as a little hypocritical. I don't believe he really understands the plight of the everyday oppressed man (nor do I), so I see it as a little silly. Not that you can't speak on behalf of others (you should) but to amount himself to those truly oppressed is out of touch. This makes no sense to me. Sorry, oppressed people of the world, people in privileged positions can't truly understand your plight, so despite having access to human and financial capital and the platform to speak out, they're just going to keep their mouths shut and let the status quo be. But go on and fix everything for yourselves!
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Post by christine58 on Aug 30, 2016 16:36:33 GMT
Sitting during the national anthem is not a solution to the issue. He needs to get off his a#$ and get involved in some manner. Time for this story to go away. THIS exactly. Do I agree with what he did? NOPE but he means nothing to me...nothing. However, if he wants to do something then he needs to put his $$$ where his mouth is. Do something...
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Post by DEX on Aug 30, 2016 16:47:20 GMT
I am a child of the 60's and served my country during the Vietnam war. ( non combat because women were not allowed in combat zones). I remember the '68 Olympics. I remember the Penn State riots. I remember the civil rights protests.. I can not speak as to if significant changes have been made in the civil rights cases. I am not a person of color. I can not relate. However, I do appreciate people having the right to disagree. I appreciate the actions of Elizabeth Cady Smith and Susan B Anthony. I also wish we had more radicals right now in the woman's movement. During the time of Martin Luther King, there were so many women expressing their anger over how women are marginalized in the USA. Women, on average, still make $.70 on the dollar to men. OK, I may be self serving at this point but this 66 year old woman still wants to have the right to burn my bra ( shudder) and protest in a non violent way.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 30, 2016 16:52:10 GMT
The National Anthem has NOTHING to do with what he thinks he is protesting. Here is what I want to know- what is he DOING to reduce black on black violence? What is he DOING to reduce gun violence and to take guns out of the hands of people who should not have them? What is he DOING to make poor neighborhoods safer? If the answer is nothing, then he needs to stand and respect the flag and the anthem. And we need to just ignore him.
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Post by whopea on Aug 30, 2016 16:52:35 GMT
I think what bothers me the most about it is that if every person who was aggrieved about something happening in our country sat during the National Anthem, very few would be standing. Our country is not perfect and we have lots of work to improve life for the poor and needy. Fostering a new division is not a healthy way to approach what are serious and complicated issues.
My second biggest complaint is that I don't believe the NFL is consistent on this issue. There is no rule that compels an athlete to stand during the National Anthem but there are dozens of pages of how free speech is restricted on their uniforms. The Dallas Cowboys were forbidden from putting a unity decal on their helmets to show their solidarity with the five slain police officers in the city. I think the NFL would be wise to tread carefully or a large percentage of their fan base could decide they're unwilling to spend big bucks for NFL gear or games.
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 30, 2016 16:53:38 GMT
I think the whole National Anthem thing is a smoke screen for the temper tantrum he was having right before the game. Apparently he was not allowed to wear an eye shade on his helmet during the game, and he was pissed at the NFL officials. Who knows? Maybe it was a convenient excuse for acting like an ass? I think he is a jerk regardless and is using this as a way to get some pub. I'm not going to argue the rightness or wrongness of the NA because I think we will just go 'round and 'round about that. CK is going to get cut by the 49ers not because he didn't stand during the NA; he is getting cut because he sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 16:56:09 GMT
First I think the 49ers made a stupid mistake of trading Alex Smith and keeping Colin Kaepernick. Since the trade Kaepernick has done nothing on the field or off the field to make me think the 49ers made the right choice in keeping Kaepernick over Smith.
Second yesterday on FB I read comments that it was absoulately disgraceful to show disrespect to the National Anthem which is another way of showing disrespect to the men and women who served to protect this country. Sorry the way I see it it's the very reason these folks have served to protect this country so people can sit down during the National Anthem or burn the flag. That is what free speech is all about.
Third there is no question there is still a race problem in this country and there are plenty of black athletics if they had stayed seated during the National Anthem I would agree with their actions. But not Kaepernick. I think he pulled a stunt. Ever since things have not been going his way he has come across as a pouting little boy. I think the reason he stayed seated during the National Anthem had more to do with his pouting then a protest against how blacks are treated in this country. When people noticed and the furor started I suspect someone "gave" Kaepernick a reason for his actions and he is now riding it for all its worth. It puts him back in the limelight.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 30, 2016 16:56:18 GMT
It is not my revolution. I'm not going to judge.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 30, 2016 17:06:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:07:00 GMT
Why wasn't he protesting when he was doing well? If he really wanted to address what he believes to be an issue, think of the impact a winning quarterback would have on the conversation. Why now that he's on the verge of being cut from the team?
I know that sounds cynical, but I think he's looking for an excuse for being let go. I guess time will tell if he gets the pink slip and gives that as a reason.
All that said, if he wants to sit during the National Anthem, it's his right. It's a free country.
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Post by flanz on Aug 30, 2016 17:07:13 GMT
He doesnt agree with the government. Perfectly fine just like a group of people that didnt agree with the BRitish government a couple hundred years or so ago. is he an ass? Yes. Is this a spectacularly meaningless gesture? Yes. But he's allowed to do it because thats what this country is all about. Freedom to speak out against the government. How can it be meaningless when so many are spending so much time discussing it? I think his choice to not stand has helped to raise the issues facing the people of color in our country further into the spotlight. This middle-aged white lady applauds him!
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 30, 2016 17:08:43 GMT
Every citizen has the right of free expression under the First Amendment of the US Constitution. Celebrities/athletes/entertainers are no exception, & their motives/cause are irrelevant. It seems 24/7 sports news on radio & tv always needs something to discuss, so stories/drama is often manufactured.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 30, 2016 17:09:35 GMT
while I agree with someone's right to not stand during the National Anthem, burn the flag, whatever-- this gesture does seem a bit like Facebook slacktivism to me, as well. How is his method of protest related at ALL to what he's protesting? (but then, I didn't really see the point of the ALS icebucket challenge, or many other similar things, either.) (I also think he's probably mainly looking for media attention, too-- being the start of a new football season, and all-- because I'm pretty cynical about pro athletes in general.) eta: why do I think he doesn't participate in other kinds of activism?? Because this is what we've heard about, not any other kinds of activism. Whether that's because he does NOT, or because the media is not covering it, I have no idea. But I'm figuring if he DID do any other sorts of activism, the media would be talking about this in a larger context.Which is why this protest was so effective. It has international press coverage. The charity work he does, does not get this kind of coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:10:12 GMT
while I agree with someone's right to not stand during the National Anthem, burn the flag, whatever-- this gesture does seem a bit like Facebook slacktivism to me, as well. How is his method of protest related at ALL to what he's protesting? (but then, I didn't really see the point of the ALS icebucket challenge, or many other similar things, either.) (I also think he's probably mainly looking for media attention, too-- being the start of a new football season, and all-- because I'm pretty cynical about pro athletes in general.) eta: why do I think he doesn't participate in other kinds of activism?? Because this is what we've heard about, not any other kinds of activism. Whether that's because he does NOT, or because the media is not covering it, I have no idea. But I'm figuring if he DID do any other sorts of activism, the media would be talking about this in a larger context.Which is why this protest was so effective. It has international press coverage. The charity work he does, does not get this kind of coverage.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 30, 2016 17:12:05 GMT
The National Anthem has NOTHING to do with what he thinks he is protesting. Here is what I want to know- what is he DOING to reduce black on black violence? What is he DOING to reduce gun violence and to take guns out of the hands of people who should not have them? What is he DOING to make poor neighborhoods safer? If the answer is nothing, then he needs to stand and respect the flag and the anthem. And we need to just ignore him. Nothing...he's doing nothing...
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Post by flanz on Aug 30, 2016 17:12:24 GMT
It is not my revolution. I'm not going to judge. I almost "liked" this comment, but then I thought... the problem is that we white folks have distanced ourselves from this needed revolution for far too long. We need to be allies to the people of color in our world and things won't really change until we with unwanted, unasked for white privilege, demand it and take this on as OUR revolution too!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:13:27 GMT
Kaepernick probably shouldn't provide any more money or support to those kids with heart defects. He can't understand their plight, so shouldn't be involved. They should help themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:13:45 GMT
The National Anthem has NOTHING to do with what he thinks he is protesting. Here is what I want to know- what is he DOING to reduce black on black violence? What is he DOING to reduce gun violence and to take guns out of the hands of people who should not have them? What is he DOING to make poor neighborhoods safer? If the answer is nothing, then he needs to stand and respect the flag and the anthem. And we need to just ignore him. Nothing...he's doing nothing... How do you know?
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Post by peabay on Aug 30, 2016 17:13:53 GMT
I don't give a shit if someone sits or stands. Doesn't affect me. My God, we have so many bigger things as a country to worry about. What a ridiculous distraction.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 30, 2016 17:14:39 GMT
I haven't read all replies as I'm on my way out the door but doesn't the NFL have rules against demonstrating and/or excessive celebration? If so, I think he should be following his workplace rules.
Outside of NFL, he has the right. I may agree or disagree, but he has the right.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 30, 2016 17:20:04 GMT
It is not my revolution. I'm not going to judge. I almost "liked" this comment, but then I thought... the problem is that we white folks have distanced ourselves from this needed revolution for far too long. We need to be allies to the people of color in our world and things won't really change until we with unwanted, unasked for white privilege, demand it and take this on as OUR revolution too!!! Not judging is part of being an ally. Telling him to stand up and make his point another way is not. Defending his right is. I cannot take this on as my revolution because it is not. To me, that is white privilege. Saying I know a better way is white privilege. I can be an ally in many ways. Not judging is simply one.
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