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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 30, 2016 17:21:33 GMT
I think the whole National Anthem thing is a smoke screen for the temper tantrum he was having right before the game. Apparently he was not allowed to wear an eye shade on his helmet during the game, and he was pissed at the NFL officials. Who knows? Maybe it was a convenient excuse for acting like an ass? I think he is a jerk regardless and is using this as a way to get some pub. I'm not going to argue the rightness or wrongness of the NA because I think we will just go 'round and 'round about that. CK is going to get cut by the 49ers not because he didn't stand during the NA; he is getting cut because he sucks. I agree with Kymberlee and krazyscrapper I think this is more about him then any cause. |
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Post by whopea on Aug 30, 2016 17:22:07 GMT
Kaepernick probably shouldn't provide any more money or support to those kids with heart defects. He can't understand their plight, so shouldn't be involved. They should help themselves. He does understand though. His parents lost two infant sons to heart disease. That's why he chose it. My parents used to tell me 'put your money behind your mouth'. I think Kaepernick would be wise to do the same. |
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 17:22:47 GMT
I just don't understand why sitting thru the Anthem isn't enough. It's not my protest, I do not believe I have the right to tell anyone that what they are doing simply isn't enough. It just feels like another way to belittle what he's doing. Like, hey, I don't support him, but he's welcome to do what he wants, but, what else is he doing? Feels sort of like a backhanded compliment.
I also think those talking about the sports side of it, are being dismissive also. And I'm talking as a huge sports fan (my first true love, much to my DH's disgust), so I know the sports gossip out there. Even if he doesn't play in another NFL game, this will be attatched to his name, & I think he's smart enough to know it. As Compwalla posted above, being black while driving in this country sucks *ss, & this will be another mark against him in some instances.
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Post by micpea on Aug 30, 2016 17:23:46 GMT
I think he has the right to a peaceful protest but not when he is part of team & representing the team. HBO has a show called Hard Knocks which is about football teams, coaching etc. Not sure which team it is this season, but a couple weeks ago the coach had a stern talk with all of his players about the flag & national anthem. It's about respect and something along the lines of if you are playing for this team you will stand, helmet it right hand/arm & be respectful.
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 17:26:27 GMT
The National Anthem has NOTHING to do with what he thinks he is protesting. Here is what I want to know- what is he DOING to reduce black on black violence? What is he DOING to reduce gun violence and to take guns out of the hands of people who should not have them? What is he DOING to make poor neighborhoods safer? If the answer is nothing, then he needs to stand and respect the flag and the anthem. And we need to just ignore him. Nothing...he's doing nothing... How on earth can you say this? I swear I can feel to condescension dripping from your post. He is putting his possible future with another team on the table. Is that not enough for you because he's already made millions? Are you willing to put you job on the line to protest for something in a peaceful way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:27:45 GMT
Kaepernick probably shouldn't provide any more money or support to those kids with heart defects. He can't understand their plight, so shouldn't be involved. They should help themselves. He does understand though. His parents lost two infant sons to heart disease. That's why he chose it. My parents used to tell me 'put your money behind your mouth'. I think Kaepernick would be wise to do the same. Yes, I know. My point is that just because he personally is not a heart patient doesn't mean he can't care about it. For people to say that he can't understand oppression or discrimination because he's wealthy and in a prominent position is just as ridiculous. |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 30, 2016 17:28:18 GMT
His right to sit.
My right to think he is a douchebag for it.
I stand for the anthems being played. I stand for O Canada when it is played here as a sign of respect for the people of Canada's anthem.
Usain Bolt stopped an interview for the playing of an anthem not his own.
Way more respect for him than someone who does it because they sucks as a quarterback and needed attention.
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Post by basketdiva on Aug 30, 2016 17:35:43 GMT
I think the whole National Anthem thing is a smoke screen for the temper tantrum he was having right before the game. Apparently he was not allowed to wear an eye shade on his helmet during the game, and he was pissed at the NFL officials. Who knows? Maybe it was a convenient excuse for acting like an ass? I think he is a jerk regardless and is using this as a way to get some pub. I'm not going to argue the rightness or wrongness of the NA because I think we will just go 'round and 'round about that. CK is going to get cut by the 49ers not because he didn't stand during the NA; he is getting cut because he sucks. He sat during the 1st 2 preseason games but was not noticed becuase he n't in uniform those games. |
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Post by littlemama on Aug 30, 2016 17:36:50 GMT
He doesnt agree with the government. Perfectly fine just like a group of people that didnt agree with the BRitish government a couple hundred years or so ago. is he an ass? Yes. Is this a spectacularly meaningless gesture? Yes. But he's allowed to do it because thats what this country is all about. Freedom to speak out against the government. How can it be meaningless when so many are spending so much time discussing it? I think his choice to not stand has helped to raise the issues facing the people of color in our country further into the spotlight. This middle-aged white lady applauds him! It is meaningless because I have only heard people talking about what a douchewaffle he is. What is his disrespect doing to help the situation? Does he think his sitting out the anthem is going to change something? |
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Post by worldwanderer75 on Aug 30, 2016 17:42:28 GMT
I am a US citizen who currently lives outside of the USA. I 100% support his right to not stand for the national anthem. I do think it is disrespectful but I am so so so grateful that he has the right to express his opinion without any legal repercussions for his behavior. Where I live in the world there are severe consequences for speaking against the government. We have no idea how damn lucky we are to live in (be citizens of) a country that gives us that right.
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Post by azredhead on Aug 30, 2016 17:45:08 GMT
His right to sit. My right to think he is a douchebag for it. I stand for the anthems being played. I stand for O Canada when it is played here as a sign of respect for the people of Canada's anthem. Usain Bolt stopped an interview for the playing of an anthem not his own. Way more respect for him than someone who does it because they sucks as a quarterback and needed attention.  why didn't he do it before when he was quaterback - now it just makes him look selfish and douchbaggery. He doesn't have a good track record on the field or off. |
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Aug 30, 2016 17:46:10 GMT
Yes, yes he has the right to do it. But sometimes, exercising rights has consequences.
When the bulk of a persons obscene paycheck comes from an industry based on being an American staple, with apple pie, and jet flyovers, and a tradition of bad warbling of the national song, that person has to know what they are getting into. Why make this stand now? There's nothing new here.
There are plenty of other guys out there who would kill for that kind of money (and possibly do more to earn it) without potentially causing a PR nightmare.
I think the "Like it or Leave" people see him as spoiled and ungrateful. He gets to work an absolutely meaningless job for more money than most people can dream of, instead of a soul-stealing 9-5 in a cubicle, retail, or slinging burgers like so many of the rest of us. An opportunity only made possible by those who have come before and sacrificed, whether they be soldiers or activists of any color. How many other countries in the world could he do this?
If he is truly doing something to help the situation, such as charity work, I'd be blasting that in every press release if I was his PR person. Because otherwise, it looks like a bad publicity stunt or a little boy wanting to take his ball and go home.
I also think it's really easy to pass judgement from a rich bench somewhere. That goes for anybody.
It's great that he's exercising the right so many have made possible. Where would society be without such actions? But I feel like there's a better way than essentially spitting in people's faces. It's like, I don't like this country or its people but I'm certainly gonna take their money.
This country and his fans are what made him great (if he ever really was is open to argument) and his lifestyle possible. If they choose to remind him of that, that's their right too.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 30, 2016 18:05:10 GMT
How can it be meaningless when so many are spending so much time discussing it? I think his choice to not stand has helped to raise the issues facing the people of color in our country further into the spotlight. This middle-aged white lady applauds him! It is meaningless because I have only heard people talking about what a douchewaffle he is. What is his disrespect doing to help the situation? Does he think his sitting out the anthem is going to change something? What people? White people? |
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 30, 2016 18:16:40 GMT
Welllll...if you really think about it, I didn't know him from Adam before this and now I do. I also know that he has what he feels is a valid reason for him to protest. If his protest was to help call attention to a cause, he did a fine job of it when a middle age, non-NFL caring used to be soccer mom knows about what he was trying do. Maybe that isn't enough, but it might be.
Do I care that he did it? Yes and No. One can't pick and choose which one of those pesky constitutional rights we support, it is kind of an all or nothing deal. At the same time, it sure does make me feel uncomfortable-the same way I feel uncomfortable when people burn flags and stomp on them. I don't think it is blind obedience to a piece of fabric as such, but more like a feeling of protective patriotism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 18:17:22 GMT
In the big picture, Kaepernick's action most likely isn't going to be a sea change in civil rights. But I'm of the opinion that anything that gets people talking about how discriminatory our society still is is a good thing.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 30, 2016 18:22:12 GMT
I'm still on page two, finding this thread interesting because of the extras being attached to the action.
I knew nothing about the guy before this. Came in with the idea that it's okay to stand, salute, or not, burn or not, viewpoint; that's one of USA's many strengths. But I think he's on a team with certain expectations and those should be followed.
He's "just" a football player, but he's generated three pages of discussion here. Athletes have significance in our culture, no matter how many of us say we don't like it.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 30, 2016 18:22:15 GMT
Nothing...he's doing nothing... How on earth can you say this? I swear I can feel to condescension dripping from your post. He is putting his possible future with another team on the table. Is that not enough for you because he's already made millions? Are you willing to put you job on the line to protest for something in a peaceful way. Show me where he is doing something to help other than sitting during the NA.This is more about him than anything else. He was going to get cut WAY before him sitting for the NA. So you SHOW me proof that he is helping his black community! Freedom of speech doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for exercising it. |
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Post by littlemama on Aug 30, 2016 18:35:52 GMT
It is meaningless because I have only heard people talking about what a douchewaffle he is. What is his disrespect doing to help the situation? Does he think his sitting out the anthem is going to change something? What people? White people? What does it matter? Anyone I have heard speak about it, anyone on tv who I have seen speak about it, anyone I have seen post or write about it is talking about the fact that his "protest" is not doing anything to change anything, nor is it getting people to talk about what he is protesting. Everything I have heard has been about him and the fact that he was disrespecting the country and the flag, and that it is inappropriate according to the rules of his employer. That's it. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 30, 2016 18:41:54 GMT
It is meaningless because I have only heard people talking about what a douchewaffle he is. What is his disrespect doing to help the situation? Does he think his sitting out the anthem is going to change something? What people? White people? White people, brown people, black people. Do some have a right to an opinion and others don't based on their skin color? |
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Post by whopea on Aug 30, 2016 18:49:45 GMT
It is meaningless because I have only heard people talking about what a douchewaffle he is. What is his disrespect doing to help the situation? Does he think his sitting out the anthem is going to change something? What people? White people? Idk, Jerry Rice is not white people. Jerry Rice (a former great 49'er, Hall of Famer) called him out on it too. He said take a stand but reflect the flag. |
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Post by sunraynnc on Aug 30, 2016 19:14:05 GMT
I think he has the right to a peaceful protest but not when he is part of team & representing the team. HBO has a show called Hard Knocks which is about football teams, coaching etc. Not sure which team it is this season, but a couple weeks ago the coach had a stern talk with all of his players about the flag & national anthem. It's about respect and something along the lines of if you are playing for this team you will stand, helmet it right hand/arm & be respectful. Great show! This season is about the LA Rams. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 30, 2016 19:19:42 GMT
What people? White people? Idk, Jerry Rice is not white people. Jerry Rice (a former great 49'er, Hall of Famer) called him out on it too. He said take a stand but reflect the flag. One of my favorite 49ers! |
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 30, 2016 19:30:31 GMT
and he wore a Fidel Castro tshirt to another press conference?
for the love of all that's holy - talk about oppression
gotta love that freedom of expression
he ought to pair it with a Von Dutch trucker hat
- makes no sense to me why he'd wear a shirt like that
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Post by marimoose on Aug 30, 2016 19:33:12 GMT
I can't say I like it, but it is his right. I did like what Jim Wright had to say on the subject. Stone Kettle StationI stopped watching the news over 2 months ago when all the crime was hitting in Florida. I am aware of news stories from what is posted here or what I might catch on the radio and I discovered that I am calmer, happier and the world is still going on, with or without my knowledge. I saw something on kaepernick but mostly avoided opening anything until today. Thank you so much for posting the link to Jim Wright. I had/have no clue who he is other than what I read moments ago and the tidbit when I googled him. I enjoyed reading it and believe I might like to read more from him. As for the subject, i think Jim Wright expressed better with his words exactly what my heart says. We don't have to agree, we do not have to be cattle following each other. We can have varying opinions and respecting others, being respected is what counts at the end of the day. I only truly know my experiences from walking in my own shoes and would never presume that we have all walked the same path. It is our paths that lead us to our opinions and beliefs most often. We can always learn something from another and even Kaepernick's choice offers a lesson or two. |
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 19:56:51 GMT
How on earth can you say this? I swear I can feel to condescension dripping from your post. He is putting his possible future with another team on the table. Is that not enough for you because he's already made millions? Are you willing to put you job on the line to protest for something in a peaceful way. Show me where he is doing something to help other than sitting during the NA.This is more about him than anything else. He was going to get cut WAY before him sitting for the NA. So you SHOW me proof that he is helping his black community! Freedom of speech doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for exercising it. Of course freedom of speech isn't without consequences. Absolutely agree. What I'm trying to point out, why, to you, is sitting during the anthem not enough? Do you think that isn't helping the black community? That is my proof to you, we & others are talking. I'm truly confused why some don't think that's enough & why you get even say that's not enough. The regular Joe sitting in the stands (ha..pun intended) isn't going to get the same publicity that Kaepernick will. And I know what's happening with him & the team, do you not think it's going to effect a potential position with another team? |
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Post by christine58 on Aug 30, 2016 20:04:27 GMT
What I'm trying to point out, why, to you, is sitting during the anthem not enough? Do you think that isn't helping the black community? I do not think it's helping the black community at all. All it is doing is drawing attention to him sitting, being disrespectful to our flag, etc. The rest--as in his reason---is not what the media is focusing on. That's my point. Go make a real difference...go look at what LeBron and others are doing. www.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-college-scholarships-akron-university-cavaliers-i-promise-081315Oh and wearing a shirt with Fidel Castro's picture on it...yeah talk about oppression!! |
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Post by compwalla on Aug 30, 2016 20:04:34 GMT
it's his choice, as is the folks that are protesting his action (or in this case, non action) I find it a bit douchey but most definitely his choice and a perfect example of what our soldiers fight for-to give people the freedom to "say" what they want-even when what they "say" is annoying, offensive or disrespectful. he isn't hurting anyone with his action so I really can't get all upset about it and am surprised how many people are absolutely losing their minds over this Is he really doing nothing? Wearing pink every October doesn't do fuck all for breast cancer but "raising awareness" seems to be enough for people to walk around looking like they bathed in pepto bismol. But I made a donation today to BLM in honor of my cousin who is either racist or purposefully obtuse when it comes to discussing race in this country. It was sparked by a post I made (and to which my cousin replied) about Colin's sit-down protest. So if it "raises awareness" and increases support for BLM, is it really doing nothing? |
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 30, 2016 20:08:48 GMT
i don't like the pink october either...it's stupid
and hard to justify uniformity amongst teams = which is why the cowboys can't wear a sticker on their helmets
and what does pink do? remind us that women get breast cancer?
they get lots of cancers - and heart disease...but pink is cute right? especially when worn by men
dumb dumb dumb
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Post by pastlifepea on Aug 30, 2016 20:09:09 GMT
IMO, he is an asshat. He is allowed to be an asshat, just as each of us in American has the opportunity to wake up each morning and be an asshat in public or privately. People are allowed to think he is an asshat or think that he is a hero. My DH gets up and goes to work every day to ensure our continued right to engage in asshattery.
In reality, this means nothing to me. I'm not an NFL fan...give me SEC football any day.
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 20:15:03 GMT
IMO, he is an asshat. He is allowed to be an asshat, just as each of us in American has the opportunity to wake up each morning and be an asshat in public or privately. People are allowed to think he is an asshat or think that he is a hero. My DH gets up and goes to work every day to ensure our continued right to engage in asshattery. In reality, this means nothing to me. I'm not an NFL fan...give me SEC football any day. Let me be clear, I don't think he's a hero. I do believe he's made a bold choice, one that could effect many aspects of his life. Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am.  |
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why didn't he do it before when he was quaterback - now it just makes him look selfish and douchbaggery. He doesn't have a good track record on the field or off.
