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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 30, 2016 20:18:27 GMT
i don't like the pink october either...it's stupid and hard to justify uniformity amongst teams = which is why the cowboys can't wear a sticker on their helmets and what does pink do? remind us that women get breast cancer?
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Post by melanell on Aug 30, 2016 20:23:44 GMT
The flag and the anthem mean different things to different people. And that's okay with me. Our country guarantees you the right to not stand for the anthem if you do not want to do so, and I support that.
I choose to stand for the anthem. And I am glad that my country allows me the choice to do so instead of telling me that I must.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 20:29:14 GMT
OK...I'll admit I didn't have time to read each and every post, and yes it is his right, but someone who has been fined by the NFL for using the "N" word against another player and then is protesting oppression, etc.  Get off your butt and do something constructive to help...is he working in the communities, or with others to make change? or just drawing attention to himself when he is on the verge of getting cut from his team. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 30, 2016 20:31:44 GMT
A friend introduced me to the word patriot humpers the other day and now I swear I think that of that word multiple times a day when observing current events and people's reactions to the news and the world at large. Our local Republican club just made it a membership requirement that you must stand for the Pledge of Allegiance if you are physically able to do so. Another FB friend posted the quote about the difference between patriotism and nationalism and that really hit home. There are days I almost don't recognize our country anymore. All of these people professing to be the ultimate patriots, professing to love America as though it's a patriotic show down (look at my flag lapel pin! look at this huge flag in the back of my pick up truck! look at my hand on my heart! no, look, my hand is more patriotically placed than your hand AND I have a flag on my hat!) and yet seeming to find it so hard to like or accept anything about the diversity of thought, opinion and culture that make America unique and special.
I was, at best, ambivalent about Colin K's actions when the first stories came out. Now I'm adamantly in favor of his freedom to do whatever the hell he wants to do - whether some (usually conservative white people) consider it slacktivism, not charitable enough, not related to his particular life circumstances, etc. I'll see your flag lapel pin and raise you one actual act of freedom of speech that has started a national dialogue. Rock on Colin.
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Post by pastlifepea on Aug 30, 2016 20:34:57 GMT
What is this Big 10 you speak of? I had to look it up on wikipedia...lol! (That IS actually a joke, by the way, however if you had asked me to name 3 teams in the conference, I would have been stumped.) IMO, he is an asshat. He is allowed to be an asshat, just as each of us in American has the opportunity to wake up each morning and be an asshat in public or privately. People are allowed to think he is an asshat or think that he is a hero. My DH gets up and goes to work every day to ensure our continued right to engage in asshattery. In reality, this means nothing to me. I'm not an NFL fan...give me SEC football any day. Let me be clear, I don't think he's a hero. I do believe he's made a bold choice, one that could effect many aspects of his life. Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 20:38:46 GMT
A friend introduced me to the word patriot humpers the other day and now I swear I think that of that word multiple times a day when observing current events and people's reactions to the news and the world at large. Our local Republican club just made it a membership requirement that you must stand for the Pledge of Allegiance if you are physically able to do so. Another FB friend posted the quote about the difference between patriotism and nationalism and that really hit home. There are days I almost don't recognize our country anymore. All of these people professing to be the ultimate patriots, professing to love America as though it's a patriotic show down (look at my flag lapel pin! look at this huge flag in the back of my pick up truck! look at my hand on my heart! no, look, my hand is more patriotically placed than your hand AND I have a flag on my hat!) and yet seeming to find it so hard to like or accept anything about the diversity of thought, opinion and culture that make America unique and special. I was, at best, ambivalent about Colin K's actions when the first stories came out. Now I'm adamantly in favor of his freedom to do whatever the hell he wants to do - whether some (usually conservative white people) consider it slacktivism, not charitable enough, not related to his particular life circumstances, etc. I'll see your flag lapel pin and raise you one actual act of freedom of speech that has started a national dialogue. Rock on Colin. All of this, and especially what I bolded. |
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 20:41:00 GMT
What is this Big 10 you speak of? I had to look it up on wikipedia...lol! (That IS actually a joke, by the way, however if you had asked me to name 3 teams in the conference, I would have been stumped.) Let me be clear, I don't think he's a hero. I do believe he's made a bold choice, one that could effect many aspects of his life. Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am. Woman, you're killing me here. Just breaking my little Big Ten heart. Are one of the 3 Michigan at least? If it isn't, please don't respond, I won't be able to handle it.   |
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 30, 2016 20:41:27 GMT
What is this Big 10 you speak of? I had to look it up on wikipedia...lol! (That IS actually a joke, by the way, however if you had asked me to name 3 teams in the conference, I would have been stumped.) Let me be clear, I don't think he's a hero. I do believe he's made a bold choice, one that could effect many aspects of his life. Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am. Just putting this out there...it is the SEC all the way. ALL. THE. WAY. (go Gators) |
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 30, 2016 20:41:45 GMT
i don't like the pink october either...it's stupid and hard to justify uniformity amongst teams = which is why the cowboys can't wear a sticker on their helmets and what does pink do? remind us that women get breast cancer?
they get lots of cancers - and heart disease...but pink is cute right? especially when worn by men dumb dumb dumb gina ^^^ hijack: I don't like 'pinkwashing' either... and men DO get breast cancer as well. In my opinion, wearing pink or buying products bathed in pink (unless a LARGE percentage of the product profits goes to research, etc., which they usually DON'T) is only a marketing technique and for most people, is more slacktivism, for them to 'feel' like they're doing something, even though they're not really doing anything substantive. Lol. Is that a word that's used or did you just make it up? I like it, and I'm going to borrow. I'll give you credit if asked.  SaveSave |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 30, 2016 20:42:39 GMT
monklady123, no, I didn't make it up- I read it or heard it somewhere. (you can still give me credit for introducing YOU to it, lol!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 20:43:03 GMT
^^^ hijack: I don't like 'pinkwashing' either... and men DO get breast cancer as well. In my opinion, wearing pink or buying products bathed in pink (unless a LARGE percentage of the product profits goes to research, etc., which they usually DON'T) is only a marketing technique and for most people, is more slacktivism, for them to 'feel' like they're doing something, even though they're not really doing anything substantive. Lol. Is that a word that's used or did you just make it up? I like it, and I'm going to borrow. I'll give you credit if asked. SaveSaveIt's a word that's used |
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 20:43:22 GMT
A friend introduced me to the word patriot humpers the other day and now I swear I think that of that word multiple times a day when observing current events and people's reactions to the news and the world at large. Our local Republican club just made it a membership requirement that you must stand for the Pledge of Allegiance if you are physically able to do so. Another FB friend posted the quote about the difference between patriotism and nationalism and that really hit home. There are days I almost don't recognize our country anymore. All of these people professing to be the ultimate patriots, professing to love America as though it's a patriotic show down (look at my flag lapel pin! look at this huge flag in the back of my pick up truck! look at my hand on my heart! no, look, my hand is more patriotically placed than your hand AND I have a flag on my hat!) and yet seeming to find it so hard to like or accept anything about the diversity of thought, opinion and culture that make America unique and special. I was, at best, ambivalent about Colin K's actions when the first stories came out. Now I'm adamantly in favor of his freedom to do whatever the hell he wants to do - whether some (usually conservative white people) consider it slacktivism, not charitable enough, not related to his particular life circumstances, etc. I'll see your flag lapel pin and raise you one actual act of freedom of speech that has started a national dialogue. Rock on Colin.   |
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 20:46:39 GMT
What is this Big 10 you speak of? I had to look it up on wikipedia...lol! (That IS actually a joke, by the way, however if you had asked me to name 3 teams in the conference, I would have been stumped.) Just putting this out there...it is the SEC all the way. ALL. THE. WAY. (go Gators) Well Anxiousmom, I would listen to you, cause you are seriously one of my favorite posters. But may I remind you of a little Bowl Game last January, against my Michigan team? Does the score of 41-7 help? |
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Post by AmandaA on Aug 30, 2016 20:48:02 GMT
Maybe if he feels sooooo strongly about this issue, he should put up and shut up. Perhaps a gesture a la Pat Tillman.... You want to make a difference, then leave the nfl and go pursue a career in law enforcement. Be the change you want to see in the world instead of making an apparent ass of yourself over this.
He should get in touch with Matt Overton, who plays for our NFL franchise. He is planning his post NFL career in law enforcement and is the son of a cop who has retired but ironically is working for UCSF. He is a stand up guy that CK would learn a few things from instead of just running his mouth.
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Post by peasapie on Aug 30, 2016 20:48:43 GMT
Well I do like when people put their money where their mouth is, and he's likely taking a chance against receiving future endorsement deals with this action, so good for him for being willing to do that. Beyond that, what people do is their business.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 30, 2016 20:50:18 GMT
mellyw Just putting this out there...it is the SEC all the way. ALL. THE. WAY. (go Gators) Well Anxiousmom, I would listen to you, cause you are seriously one of my favorite posters. But may I remind you of a little Bowl Game last January, against my Michigan team? Does the score of 41-7 help? Pfffft. That was then.  |
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 21:03:20 GMT
Maybe if he feels sooooo strongly about this issue, he should put up and shut up. Perhaps a gesture a la Pat Tillman.... You want to make a difference, then leave the nfl and go pursue a career in law enforcement. Be the change you want to see in the world instead of making an apparent ass of yourself over this. He should get in touch with Matt Overton, who plays for our NFL franchise. He is planning his post NFL career in law enforcement and is the son of a cop who has retired but ironically is working for UCSF. He is a stand up guy that CK would learn a few things from instead of just running his mouth. Do you apply this standard to everyone who protests, or just NFL players/Colin Kaepernick? Cause I'll be honest & say I read your post with my jaw hanging open a little. It's sounds like your saying the only legitimate form of protest comes from those who join the military/police, & that's one hell of a standard that the majority of us won't achieve. |
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Post by vspindler on Aug 30, 2016 21:10:26 GMT
IMO, he is an asshat. He is allowed to be an asshat, just as each of us in American has the opportunity to wake up each morning and be an asshat in public or privately. People are allowed to think he is an asshat or think that he is a hero. My DH gets up and goes to work every day to ensure our continued right to engage in asshattery. In reality, this means nothing to me. I'm not an NFL fan...give me SEC football any day. Let me be clear, I don't think he's a hero. I do believe he's made a bold choice, one that could effect many aspects of his life. Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am. Gotta say, I agree with Melly here! Though I much prefer my Badgers to Michigan. Though can't disagree about CK being an asshat. |
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Post by Anita on Aug 30, 2016 21:19:43 GMT
His right to sit. My right to think he is a douchebag for it. I stand for the anthems being played. I stand for O Canada when it is played here as a sign of respect for the people of Canada's anthem. Usain Bolt stopped an interview for the playing of an anthem not his own. Way more respect for him than someone who does it because they sucks as a quarterback and needed attention. Completely agree. Anita |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 30, 2016 21:21:59 GMT
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Aug 30, 2016 21:38:22 GMT
Maybe if he feels sooooo strongly about this issue, he should put up and shut up. Perhaps a gesture a la Pat Tillman.... You want to make a difference, then leave the nfl and go pursue a career in law enforcement. Be the change you want to see in the world instead of making an apparent ass of yourself over this. He should get in touch with Matt Overton, who plays for our NFL franchise. He is planning his post NFL career in law enforcement and is the son of a cop who has retired but ironically is working for UCSF. He is a stand up guy that CK would learn a few things from instead of just running his mouth. Do you apply this standard to everyone who protests, or just NFL players/Colin Kaepernick? Cause I'll be honest & say I read your post with my jaw hanging open a little. It's sounds like your saying the only legitimate form of protest comes from those who join the military/police, & that's one hell of a standard that the majority of us won't achieve. CK made some very uneducated comments about police and their training, which is why I suspect she is telling him to get into law enforcement so he can learn about the issues he is claiming to protest against. I have no problems with protests that are peaceful and nonviolent. I have no problems with protests that are respectful and I realize there are times when my version of respect may not agree with someone else. He did not hurt anyone by this protest. His disrespect is a matter of opinion. My issue with his protest is that of timing and wondering exactly when he discovered this was a problem? He is not doing well at his job. It has been rumored for quite some time that he is not being considered for the QB spot. He was throwing a hissy prior to the start of this game. I just don't buy the whole story. I thin he was just quick on his feet with a response. Unfortunately his protest is not getting the issue itself talked about, so much as the issue of a persons right to protest is. I also think these kinds of protest are useless. There is no real action happening here other than he is all over the media. Some team out there will pick him up when the 9ers drop him because they like the controversial players. He's on his way out with one team, so why not generate some publicity and controversy to allow other teams to give him a second look this late in the pre season. I truly feel this was more about publicity than an actual legitimate protest given his other actions, but that is just my opinion. I was not in his head at the time of his decision to do this. If I had been, it wouldn't have happened  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 21:41:31 GMT
I just take it as a little hypocritical. I don't believe he really understands the plight of the everyday oppressed man (nor do I), so I see it as a little silly. Not that you can't speak on behalf of others (you should) but to amount himself to those truly oppressed is out of touch. This makes no sense to me. Sorry, oppressed people of the world, people in privileged positions can't truly understand your plight, so despite having access to human and financial capital and the platform to speak out, they're just going to keep their mouths shut and let the status quo be. But go on and fix everything for yourselves! No that's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm saying that if this is ALL he is doing (and I don't know if it is), then I see it as attention-getting for himself, not genuine. My objection is to him comparing himself to them. |
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Post by lindas on Aug 30, 2016 21:56:12 GMT
While I will defend his right to do it I will also exercise my right to say I think what he did stinks. He sat out 2 previous games and never opened his mouth. It wasn't until he got caught on film in uniform that he decided to take a 'public' stand. The furor over this hasn't even started yet. If he's still on the team on opening day, which just happens to be 9/11, and remains seated the news media, Twitter, Facebook, etc will explode. Of course if the 49ers cut him before that he'll scream loud and long about how it's because he wouldn't stand during the NA and he'll no doubt play the racist card.
If the team and the NFL are ok with this then I expect to see Dallas wearing those decals for the fallen officers on their helmets this week.
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 30, 2016 22:03:42 GMT
I'll give a little of my background, just to show I understand the sacrifice & respecting the flag. My DH was Active Duty Air Force for 22 years. He served in every action during that time, stretching back to Panama, Gulf War, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq. We were married the whole time, so I've been thru it all. Including being told I was a traitor, unpatriotic, insert nasty name of choice, because I didn't support going into Iraq. Including on the old pea board. Ahh, fun times. Saying all that, I support his choice to not stand during the Anthem. He feels strongly enough that it's how he wants to protest, had to know the backlash that was coming. For me, my DH fighting for his country includes the right to protest peacefully in the form you choose. I know that's not a popular opinion, that's why I gave my background. I do understand the mindset of respecting the flag, & I respect that opinion. I'm well aware of the history, & for me, that makes it a powerful, peaceful way to protest. |
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Post by christine58 on Aug 30, 2016 22:05:58 GMT
Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am.  No the best football is D3...LOL. My nephew is an assistant head coach with a D3 school hoping to make it to D1 at some point..and I am convinced he will!! |
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Post by smokeynspike on Aug 30, 2016 22:07:59 GMT
I think this is just the latest thing that reinforces why I think that Colin Kaepernick is a douchebag. I've thought it for years. He seems like a (of course I don't know him in person) self-entitled, pretentious, overpaid smug guy.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 30, 2016 22:19:25 GMT
Can I ask those of you saying it, why you feel he must do something else? That a simple form of protest, sitting during the Anthem that he knows will garner attention, why is that not enough? How have you decided it's not good enough, more must be done of his part to make it a valid protest? And Gina- I gave my background, cause I know the game by now. I'd immediately be told I don't understand patriotism, sacrifice, what the flag means. That's why I put the disclaimer. For me, my thoughts that 'what else is he doing' are specific to him as opposed to the sitting during the national anthem as a protest. He's been a bit of a jerk, publicly, for awhile now, and he gets to reap the consequences of his behavior. His past actions allows his protest to become subject to the lens of his other publicity 'stunts' ( for lack of a better word ) and it makes people wonder if he means it or it's just a cover for more asshattery. I don't really follow football and I've heard of him before this because of his crapoy behavior, that's what swayed my opinion. Maybe my opinion is valid maybe it's not. I will agree that some people are angry and upset about this for all the wrong reasons. I guess my personal bias that is affecting my opinion is his past crappy behavior is the only thing I knew about him so I right off the bat thought he was having another tantrum. If I had never heard of him before I might have not jumped in that direction. Hey, I gotta agree that he definitely screwed up his chances of playing for a NY NFL team if that's what he really wanted. So he definitely affected his life directly. I'll give him that. |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 30, 2016 22:37:20 GMT
Go Big Red!!!
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Post by mellyw on Aug 30, 2016 22:43:28 GMT
Those are fighting words, pastlifepea, we all know the best football is Big Ten. And now I'm running away from this post before you rightly, point out how wrong I am. ![(rofl)]() No the best football is D3...LOL. My nephew is an assistant head coach with a D3 school hoping to make it to D1 at some point..and I am convinced he will!! That's really exciting, christine58. I hope he makes it. My first love in College Football, then NFL. I always find it a little weird people who are mostly NFL fans, not so much college. Those players come from somewhere! I converted my DD's boyfriend, who watched mainly NFL. And wouldn't you know, he's always kind of followed Oklahoma (where he was born) & goes to Clemson. So not fair!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 22:45:23 GMT
Freedom of speech doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for exercising it. My thoughts exactly.I support his right to peacefully protest. I don't support him doing it on his employer's time. He looks like a big whiner in my opinion. |
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Get off your butt and do something constructive to help...is he working in the communities, or with others to make change? or just drawing attention to himself when he is on the verge of getting cut from his team.
