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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 27, 2016 2:35:41 GMT
I loved it from beginning to end. The play went on a little too long, but other than that I enjoyed seeing the characters again, and I liked the storylines.
I loved how Richard was acknowledged through the entire series, and Kelly Bishop was amazing. I cried though the whole thing. I loved how she finally let the DAR have it, put on some slacks and finally be free to live her life. I loved how she embraced the maid and her family, the kids playing. It was reassuring to know she won't be alone.
So many moments, I loved the fairytale wedding, it was beautiful, romantic and quirky. So fitting, I did not feel disappointed at all!
I also liked the ending, kinda gave us a glimpse into their future as we said goodbye to these beloved characters. I don't know what they could have done to make everyone happy..it would have been too boring to have her land her dream job and ride off into the sunset. I thought it was fitting.
As for the final four words, it was never supposed to be a big deal at all, she only said she knew how she was going to end the show down to the last four words. The press went and ran with it and made it into something more than it was. Almost as if they were supposed to be magical or something. I guess I don't get all the upset.
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2016 2:35:50 GMT
And I think the reason Rory at 32 was written as unemployed, drifting, passive, and maddeningly unfocused was so they could recreate the situation of somebody much younger facing single parenthood...as originally intended. (And they made her amoral just to service the Logan-is-not-available contrivance.) I agree. Plus, it gives them a completely clean and empty slate. The only 2 things this woman has to do right now if write a book and bake a baby. At least for now, the money is probably not going to be an issue. If her grandparents supported her when she was a yacht-stealing drop-out doing community service, then Emily will certainly help her now if Rory wants/needs it. Plus, Lorelai will offer to let Rory stay at home as long as necessary. And if nothing else, she could go to Christopher for money as well. If Rory tells Logan (And I am sure she'll have at the very least Luke & April in his ear telling her to do just that.) about the baby but but does raise it on her own, I'm sure Logan will still offer funds. Rory does like that lifestyle more than Lorelai ever did and she's not so determined to everything on her own (She just did take help from Mitchum of all people.) so I can see her agreeing to that. So if money isn't an issue and she has 2 things to do which can be done anywhere, while with anyone, they have so many options available for her now. Save
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 27, 2016 2:58:25 GMT
The only 2 things this woman has to do right now is write a book and bake a baby. Ooh, Rory's book. When we saw the first portion of her manuscript, with the title page, I yelled, "She's Jo from 'Little Women'!" One of my kids wondered aloud who would want to read Rory's rather pedestrian memoir, which got me thinking about the hit memoirs lately that are so outlandish and their authors end up getting sued (Running with Scissors) or shamed (A Million Little Pieces) for...erm...embellishing. Can't you just see Rory writing about the über-quirky people in her town and people not believing it? (Wait. I should have said "öööber-quirky.") Clearly, I have thought way too much about this show.
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 27, 2016 3:01:58 GMT
I know what else I loved.
Paris being Paris and scaring those poor kids at Chilton, and then tossing those girls out of the restroom on their asses, that was hilarious!
The genuine affection and tears during the "you are still my best friend" hug between Lorelei and Sookie. It's obvious the two actresses weren't acting.😭
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2016 3:07:40 GMT
Can't you just see Rory writing about the über-quirky people in her town and people not believing it? (Wait. I should have said "öööber-quirky.") LOL! That whole bit was pure Kirk, wasn't it? Save
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2016 3:08:58 GMT
I know what else I loved. Paris being Paris and scaring those poor kids at Chilton, and then tossing those girls out of the restroom on their asses, that was hilarious! The genuine affection and tears during the "you are still my best friend" hug between Lorelei and Sookie. It's obvious the two actresses weren't acting.😭 I agree. That was fun. I'm wondering if the series goes on again, if we may see Paris & Doyle getting back together and breaking up with some regularity. Save
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 27, 2016 3:10:55 GMT
First... why no theme song or opening credits? My poor niece was so bummed that we had to have a time out. Why no Emily at the wedding?? I loved Emily's story I thought they handled her beautifully. There were a lot of unresolved story lines in the series... little things that sort of drove me crazy, and this did not disappoint in that category!! I thought Paul added nothing to the story! I loved how they used Jess and Logan. I was sure she was going to end up with Jess. The fact that Rory didn't seem to learn any life lessons sort of pissed me off. Watching with my 14 year old, she was really annoyed that Rory would sleep with Logan, knowing he was engaged after sleeping with Dean when he was married. I was disappointed the Sookie was not in it more. Fall was definitely my favorite. Though I LOVE Sutton Foster and Christian Borle. I loved the musical. The last song.. the one where Lorelei realized she needed to go Wild, it had NOTHING to do with the play. It was so bizarre. I know GG is quirky, that just felt forced to me. Overall they gave too much time to the musical. I kind of what a Season 2. but kinda not. If they are planning on it.... I think Lorelei will be pregnant too! I dont' think Logan is Rory's Luke. I don't think she has a Luke.. unless its Jess and he is still an asshole.. so I hope its not him.
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2016 3:18:21 GMT
I agree about Paul. Although it did kind of show one more way in which Rory was being selfish at this point in her life, stringing him along like that. It would be one hell of a shock for Lorelai to find herself with a surprise pregnancy at her current age. I wished there had been more Sookie time, too, but ultimately I am just relieved she got to be there at all. I am so glad they were able to tuck that scene in at the last minute. Emily was scheduled to be at the big wedding, because she was freaking out that she had already purchased her dress when she thought that Lorelai was going to cancel it. So at least she would be at that one. I think Jess has moved on from his asshole days. I have been a much bigger fan of his ever since he got Rory to get her butt out of the mansion and back to Yale.
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Post by coffeetalk on Nov 27, 2016 3:22:53 GMT
Emily's observation that Lorelei and Luke were like roommates was spot on. There was zero chemistry between them, and it was so disappointing as they had it in spades during the regular seasons. Luke's hair situation was unfortunate. He is an attractive guy and his hair piece was very distracting.
Kelly Bishop was outstanding, and I thought her story arc the most compelling.
All in all, I enjoyed it and will be watching again soon.
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Post by Charlotte on Nov 27, 2016 5:10:53 GMT
I loved everything about it. It stayed so true to seasons 1-6 of the show we all love. I even loved the end. I thought the way it ended was truly a Lorelai thing to do.
The only time I cried was when Lorelai called Emily to tell share with her a good memory. Cried like a baby.
They HAVE to do more, they cannot just leave us hanging. And I am perfectly okay with another season of Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall. I really liked that format.
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Post by anniefb on Nov 27, 2016 5:22:07 GMT
I was a bit disappointed overall, though I did enjoy Fall. Also disappointed that Sookie wasn't in it more. The way it was left, there has to be a season 2. Not sure how I feel about the longer episodes though - the first couple definitely dragged for me.
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Post by kristi on Nov 27, 2016 7:07:10 GMT
We watched the series last year so all the characters were still fresh.
I loved the revival. Only thing I would change is to make the musical shorter.
Loved seeing all the characters & esp Emily & Paris.
Not surprised by the ending at all.
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Post by deekaye on Nov 27, 2016 7:31:57 GMT
Wanted to add that I was pleased that Paris was sweet to her own children... if was brief but when Doyle brought them back, and they ran to her and she hugged them and called them "my babies", I loved how out-of-character that was for her.
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Post by cycworker on Nov 27, 2016 7:59:49 GMT
I really don't know what to think. But seriously. That was the worst ending ever. Those were the famous last words? In many ways Rorys life will be like Lorelais - and I think I know who she will choose in the end. Agreed. And as someone who is 100% Team Christopher & Team Logan, I hate it.
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Post by cycworker on Nov 27, 2016 8:03:30 GMT
I really don't know what to think. But seriously. That was the worst ending ever. Those were the famous last words? In many ways Rorys life will be like Lorelais - and I think I know who she will choose in the end. Agreed. And as someone who is 100% Team Christopher & Team Logan, I hate it. ETA: I kept praying that in therapy, Lorelei would wake up & realize that the whole convincing herself she loves Luke was another way of rebelling against her parents and that she was ready to grow up & finally be with the man she truly loves & belongs with - Christopher. I hated the final 4 words, but only becaus ASP ruined Logan by regressing him. Had she not done that I could believe that like my hope for Lorelei, Rory would wake up & go back & fight for Logan.
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Post by scrappintoee on Nov 27, 2016 9:00:43 GMT
I'm soooo looking forward to watching !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 10:07:22 GMT
Ok y'all, I must be getting old. I planned on watching it on Friday but had too much fun out. Now I won't have any free time untill next Saturday night. I'm crying just reading the spoliers.... I might have to cancel something during the week;)
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 27, 2016 10:46:48 GMT
I enjoyed it, but I didn't love it. The dialog was snappy, but the plot felt forced to me. I can't think of the right word. Maybe a little too neat? I wondered if it had to be written very quickly.
Having said that, I always enjoy a visit with the Gilmores!
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Post by brina on Nov 27, 2016 13:23:21 GMT
I agree with AmeliaBloomer . It's Logan for sure. It does fit the circle theme. It fits with the time when Logan & Christopher met and Rory saw the similarities between them and then when Rory went to talk to Christopher to feel him out about his place in her life. I'm sure at that point she was already comparing her father's answers to how things might work out with Logan. Beyond that, and the timing of things, let's face it, in terms of drumming up interest, Logan is the clear winner here. There would be no drama involved if some unknown one night stand or completely forgettable boyfriend were the one. And if they want to continue on, they need interest & drama. I'm just incredibly relived right now that Amy didn't wind up writing the 7th season (And my God, I certainly never ever thought I would say that!!) because those last 4 words don't really bother me at this point in Rory's life. She's 32 years old, she's accomplished a lot so far in her life, but she's i a rut and she's been carrying on in a way that even she isn't happy with. I think that right now, this could, along with the book, could be a great way to change direction and perspective for her and she might wind up much happier with herself & with life. If these same 4 words came when she was what, 23?, at the end of the 7th season, just graduated and ready to go out and make something of herself, it would have been far more disruptive timing. Yup, yup, yup. And yup. SPOILERS: And I think the reason Rory at 32 was written as unemployed, drifting, passive, and maddeningly unfocused was so they could recreate the situation of somebody much younger facing single parenthood...as originally intended. (And they made her amoral just to service the Logan-is-not-available contrivance.) But she's got a filthy rich Baby Daddy, a grandmother with big bucks (so future inheritance), and a father who claims he has so much money he doesn't know what to do with it. I'm guessing she's not going to work as a maid and live in a shack. Plus, she doesn't hate her parents and won't refuse their help. She LIKES being a princess. However, I, as the mother of two kids who work in freelancing fields that don't offer health insurance, kept wondering - while watching - if she was spending all her money on flights to London instead of health insurance premiums. (THIS is how my mind works these days...). And after the first shock of the last scene, I ACTUALLY thought, "Well, at least insurers can't turn down a new policy now because pregnancy is a pre-existing condition." Yes, I turned a Gilmore Girls thread political. Heh. Remember she was always a little amoral and a bit selfish. Her sleeping with Logan while he is engaged is really no different than her sleeping with Dean while he was married to Lindsay. SaveSave
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Post by LisaDV on Nov 27, 2016 14:13:38 GMT
If Rory tells Logan (And I am sure she'll have at the very least Luke & April in his ear telling her to do just that.) about the baby but but does raise it on her own, I'm sure Logan will still offer funds. Rory does like that lifestyle more than Lorelai ever did and she's not so determined to everything on her own (She just did take help from Mitchum of all people.) so I can see her agreeing to that. Unless Logan isn't the father and it's the Wookie's!!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 27, 2016 14:19:15 GMT
Remember she was always a little amoral and a bit selfish. Her sleeping with Logan while he is engaged is really no different than her sleeping with Dean while he was married to Lindsay. SaveSaveRight??? but I wanted her to learn something from her past mistakes!!!!
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Post by ferblover on Nov 27, 2016 15:55:16 GMT
I thought the musical went on too long. I would have rather have had more Jess and Luke together screen time or even more Jess and Rory screen time in that episode. Summer was not my favorite. Fall was. Loved the wedding (wish they would have picked up Jess on the way since it looks like they picked up Lane). I like that the 4 words were said now and not at the series end, just wouldn't have felt right. I think Jess grew up far more than anyone else.I will confess to never being a team Dean fan. Yes, nice guy, for the most part a good guy(ignoring the cheating thing for a moment) but just not a match for Rory. Jess and Logan could at least have a conversation with her about the things that mattered to her. I think I moved into a team Jess fan during Summer. Loved the part with the Life and Death Brigade. My husband was watching with me, we watched Winter and Spring and then I stopped to watch episodes of season 5 where Rory meets Logan and the LDB. I was glad I did so it meant something when we watched Summer and Fall. He has watched some old episodes with me but this was the first time he kind of binged it with me, love that man I think it is Logan's baby, Chewie was too far back but with that said time was kind of fluid through the whole thing.
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Post by craftmepink on Nov 27, 2016 16:01:06 GMT
SPOILERS BELOW:
But the thing that bugged me the most was Rory was 32 years old! When she slept with Dean, she was 19. So in all these years, she didn't learn a thing! And they ruined the Rory character for me. She didn't seem to care that she was sleeping with Logan when he was already engaged and she had her own boyfriend on the side. It was a complete, what the heck? BTW, I never cared for Logan. I always wanted Rory to eventually end up with Dean, but glad to see him happily married with kids.
The career thing was interesting. It was annoying how Rory seemed to think she was above being a teacher or working at her hometown newspaper. Heck, I never thought that being a freelance writer was more or less prestigious than being a teacher. And she didn't even prepare for the interview with the website company. It just made Rory seem so entitled and selfish and above it all.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 27, 2016 16:08:52 GMT
I didn't love or hate it overall. I was disgusted with Rory. Sleeping with Logan when he has a fiancee. You'd think she'd learn when her mother did the same thing. I was never team anyone for Rory and thought Logan would be like his father. I didn't pay much attention to Jess, but it seems like he had a stable job and was doing fine. I'm not sure on that. I always liked Marty (naked guy) and would have liked to see that go somewhere. The musical was long, but I laughed so hard! If the show does move on, I hope Logan and Rory do not get together. It would be funny if the baby is the result of the one night stand and it would be a Wookie baby. I can't remember what season that took place, so I could be off on the timing. I loved seeing Emily's story! Especially when she loses it at the DAR. Paris, always Paris! ETA: Forgot that Rory also had a boyfriend! Her life choices at the age of 32 were completely juvenile.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 27, 2016 19:57:51 GMT
(And they made her amoral just to service the Logan-is-not-available contrivance.) Remember she was always a little amoral and a bit selfish. Her sleeping with Logan while he is engaged is really no different than her sleeping with Dean while he was married to Lindsay. SaveSaveYou're going to regret writing those two sentences...cause look what you're getting back! The difference for me is they've now made Rory amoral instead of immoral. (And yes, Rory has always been self-absorbed and often selfish. I think her mother and the town, and then her grandparents, pushed her in that direction.) [Slight, impassioned hijack: When Rory slept with Dean, my daughter was 12 and I had been watching the show with her for four years. Like many mother-daughters, this was OUR show, my 'tween daughter thought Rory was the bee's knees, and I thought she was a good role model. I was completely prepared for Rory to have sex, but when she bedded married Dean, I was so angry on behalf of mother/daughter viewers, I actually considered writing a letter to Amy Sherman Palladino. I really thought she betrayed the trust of her viewers.] Okay, I'm back from my reverie: When Rory slept with married Dean, at least she had fallen for his line that he and Lindsay believed the marriage ws over. And Lorelai was very, very disapproving....and Rory writes the Dear Dean letter, which shows regret. And when Lindsay kicks out Dean, Rory has the good grace to feel guilty...for a few days. Heh. Conclusion: immoral with strong disapproval from Lorelai. THIS time, she's got this tawdry "Vegas" arrangement with Logan. Lorelai receives news of the Logan affair with absolutely no disapproval. (How does Lorelei go from "I've got the good kid" to this?) Married Lane shows no disapproval. Horrible Mitchum shows his approval (the offer of a favor) and Rory accepts it. Throw in a genuinely nice long-term boyfriend who Rory cavalierly treats like dirt with complete - and improbable - approval from Lorelai and Luke. Conclusion: Amoral with no disapproval from anybody - except a break-up text from Paul, which just annoys Rory because she didn't get to do it first. It just seems we viewers are asked to jump through many character hoops just to service this eventual situation that Rory is pregnant by a man who, at age 32, is not available to father his own baby. It's not that I had a problem with Logan being turned into Christopher; it fit with his pre-season 7 character. I had more of a problem with Rory being turned into - I don't know - Mitchum Huntzberger...with other characters as her willing accomplices. I could be be completely wrong and ASP will do an interview saying Rory was always supposed to grow up this way. Heh. I just didn't buy her descent into complete selfishness. Also, we really should have seen more of Paul. If nothing else, that actor really had the patter down.
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2016 21:12:31 GMT
I think, for me, a part of the reason that I am not feeling as angry & disappointed as other people are is because I read everything I could get my hands on about this revival ahead of time. So I was anticipating some thing. Like Sookie's short screen time and some darker themes than we typically see in the show, etc. I knew pretty much the whole list of returning characters, which told me that we'd be cramming in a lot of scenes that didn't all fit one cohesive story line, because there just really wouldn't be a way to do that. So now, I keep seeing people really bummed by those things, and they didn't bother me, because I wasn't so surprised by them. As for the final 4 words, they were just mentioned once upon a time to indicate how complete the series was in Amy's mind. I don't necessary think she meant that they were absolutely the last 4 words she would ever write for the world of Stars Hollow, but even if they are, it's kind of nice because she gives a bit of both worlds...Lorelai's life is tied up. Her inn is expanding, Sookie & Michel are there, she & Luke are married, and things are better with her & Emily. Then, if you're the type who prefers to imagine your own perfect ending, then you have Rory.
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Post by brina on Nov 27, 2016 21:21:28 GMT
AmeliaBloomer, I do not disagree with anything you have written - right down to cringing a bit at role-model Rory turning into cautionary Rory, although I was prepared for that moment with my daughter as she is only 14 now and we watched the show two years ago (a re-watch for me).
In the early scenes with Logan I was okay with things - old flames with a bit of an arrangement - I felt bad for Rory's boyfriend, but that seemed obviously not very serious. As it went on and Rory continued to string the guy along and it became more apparent that Logan had not only a girlfriend, but a fiance, well, I was more disappointed in her.
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2016 21:45:44 GMT
In the early seasons I always felt that everyone had Rory on way too high of a pedestal and that when she fell she was going to fall hard. And then came the yacht stealing and leaving school.
(Of course she slept with Dean, but I never saw that as a fall from a pedestal, I saw that as someone who always found life pretty easy finally feeling completely overwhelmed. Yeah, sure, she was in over her head at first with Chilton, but she managed to magically get all caught up and start doing better than everyone else in a very short amount of time. And she had her mom and the town right there fawning over her. So I saw the Dean thing as a combo of her experiencing loneliness and defeat for the first time, really.)
So then she went back to Yale, and boom, she's super Rory again. Getting caught up, becoming editor of the paper, graduating, landing a great job immediately, etc. And there she was right back up on the pedestal. And so there she goes---falling hard off of it once again. I think this time she may learn to refuse to climb back up on the darn thing.
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Post by sues on Nov 28, 2016 3:32:33 GMT
My sister and I watched "Winter" yesterday. We stopped it halfway through and both said "THIS is what she did with it when she finally got to do it her way?" To me- it had none of the charm the series had. The camera work was horrible - made it feel amateurish. Every character seemed to be impersonating their former selves- the dialogue seemed forced all the time. And Lauren Graham looked uncomfortable in her own skin the whole show. If I didn't know she had done this show for 6 seasons, I'd say she was a cut rate actress that was brought in to replace the original. It was so disappointing.
I'm sort of afraid to watch the last three. I was hoping it would get better- but it doesn't really sound like it.
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Post by LisaDV on Nov 28, 2016 14:05:23 GMT
Remember she was always a little amoral and a bit selfish. Her sleeping with Logan while he is engaged is really no different than her sleeping with Dean while he was married to Lindsay. SaveSaveRight??? but I wanted her to learn something from her past mistakes!!!! Me too. Before this aired I was on Team Logan. I think she needs someone with money to take care of her as she's used to Richard and Emily doing that. He can not only talk to her level but can even stretch her beyond and take her out of her comfort zone. I liked Jess and Dean, but not permanently. I would have preferred to see Logan and Rory together without a fiancé in the mix.
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