MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 13, 2017 18:25:36 GMT
Sorry, but I don't think what I wrote was untrue. CNN wasn't reporting on the CONTENT of the report, they were only reporting that it existed and to whom it was given. What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 18:28:45 GMT
It's not going to matter. Facts just don't matter. Oddly, fact has now become subjective.
I am just so beat down over all of it.
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Post by Nink on Jan 13, 2017 18:29:42 GMT
Sorry, but I don't think what I wrote was untrue. CNN wasn't reporting on the CONTENT of the report, they were only reporting that it existed and to whom it was given. What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 13, 2017 18:30:48 GMT
What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 13, 2017 19:11:53 GMT
Sorry, but I don't think what I wrote was untrue. CNN wasn't reporting on the CONTENT of the report, they were only reporting that it existed and to whom it was given. What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
And this is different from the week before the election how?
(That's a rhetorical question, BTW, I already know the answer, just pointing out the oft-forgotten it goes both ways)
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Post by lovetodigi on Jan 13, 2017 19:23:07 GMT
The reporter was nothing short of rude. He'd never have spoken that way to Obama. But of course, I don't expect the Trump-haters to acknowledge that. Because Obama treats reporters with respect, something that Trump has no clue how to do unless they are kissing his butt. I don't think that the reporter was rude at all. |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 13, 2017 19:31:56 GMT
Sorry, but I don't think what I wrote was untrue. CNN wasn't reporting on the CONTENT of the report, they were only reporting that it existed and to whom it was given. What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
Did you happen to watch the video I linked to earlier in this post thread? |
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Post by cade387 on Jan 13, 2017 19:36:04 GMT
Obama has never told a legitimate news reporter that their outlet produces fake news and that he wasn't going to answer their question. If you have a link to something like this, I would love to see it. I think people might have forgotten about the issues with Obama and Fox news. Obama v. Fox As I said upthread--the delivery might be different (Obama/Fox and Trump/CNN) but the gist is the same. ***eta*** Just like Fox has defended CNN now, CNN defended Fox then. I personally don't see Fox News defending CNN. I saw one commentator on Fox News TV speak up. Fox News didn't report it at all, in fact it hasn't been on their website at all and when you search for it, it doesn't come up at all.
I applaud Sheppard for saying something, but I wouldn't really call Fox News itself as defending him.
I will add that I have no idea what CNN posted at the time of the Obama incident in question either.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 13, 2017 19:40:08 GMT
What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
And this is different from the week before the election how?
(That's a rhetorical question, BTW, I already know the answer, just pointing out the oft-forgotten it goes both ways)
Honestly, the only difference I can see is that (and I presume you're referring to Hillary Clinton/emails & private server here) Trump was a private citizen working on behalf of himself and his companies during the alleged incidents described in the unsubstantiated dossier. Clinton was Secretary of State working in Official Capacity on behalf of the US Government...purposely circumvented IT policy, actually did mishandle classified information then lied about it, compromised national security and opened the US up to potential damage that still may at some point reveal itself. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 13, 2017 19:42:29 GMT
The reporter was nothing short of rude. He'd never have spoken that way to Obama. But of course, I don't expect the Trump-haters to acknowledge that. Because Obama treats reporters with respect, something that Trump has no clue how to do unless they are kissing his butt. I don't think that the reporter was rude at all. What a surprise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 19:50:46 GMT
I think people might have forgotten about the issues with Obama and Fox news. Obama v. Fox As I said upthread--the delivery might be different (Obama/Fox and Trump/CNN) but the gist is the same. ***eta*** Just like Fox has defended CNN now, CNN defended Fox then. I personally don't see Fox News defending CNN. I saw one commentator on Fox News TV speak up. Fox News didn't report it at all, in fact it hasn't been on their website at all and when you search for it, it doesn't come up at all.
I applaud Sheppard for saying something, but I wouldn't really call Fox News itself as defending him.
I will add that I have no idea what CNN posted at the time of the Obama incident in question either.
I made my statement based off of what Shepard Smith said, in part: "Though we at Fox News cannot confirm CNN’s report, it is our observation that its correspondents followed journalistic standards and that neither they nor any other journalists should be subjected to belittling and delegitimizing by the president-elect of the United States.” When Smith referred to Fox as "we" and "our," I took that to mean he was speaking on behalf of Fox News, but maybe not I suppose. ***eta*** I just watched the video again (in case anyone's interested Shepard Smith Statement ) and since he didn't say "I" or "my", so again I believe this to be Fox defending CNN. |
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 13, 2017 19:55:39 GMT
And this is different from the week before the election how?
(That's a rhetorical question, BTW, I already know the answer, just pointing out the oft-forgotten it goes both ways)
Honestly, the only difference I can see is that (and I presume you're referring to Hillary Clinton/emails & private server here) Trump was a private citizen working on behalf of himself and his companies during the alleged incidents described in the unsubstantiated dossier. Clinton was Secretary of State working in Official Capacity on behalf of the US Government...purposely circumvented IT policy, actually did mishandle classified information then lied about it, compromised national security and opened the US up to potential damage that still may at some point reveal itself. Actually, I was referring only to the media and what they reported regarding the "breaking news" about Hillary's supposed emails on the peepeepic dude's laptop, and this report about the briefing.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 13, 2017 19:58:26 GMT
What you wrote is TECHNICALLY true. CNN did not report on the content of the dossier but they did blow the dossier's existence up to be this huge controversy when the basic fact is nothing in that dossier has been proven. Nothing.
CNN is spending it's energy on "DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! DOSSIER! !!" and very, very little on the fact that it's not been proven.
If/when it IS proven, then I would expect the story to be blown up. That CNN has purposefully blown it up prior to being proven accurate or even true is a problem. IMO.
Did you happen to watch the video I linked to earlier in this post thread? Just finished it.  And it doesn't really change my opinion...CNN is saying "look, we reported on the existence of this dossier, not the details of it" and that is true. However, they also are focusing on it and giving it a lot more importance than what I would consider to be normal if this dossier were about someone else. Because it's Trump though... This is just my opinion. |
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 13, 2017 20:04:37 GMT
Honestly, the only difference I can see is that (and I presume you're referring to Hillary Clinton/emails & private server here) Trump was a private citizen working on behalf of himself and his companies during the alleged incidents described in the unsubstantiated dossier. Clinton was Secretary of State working in Official Capacity on behalf of the US Government...purposely circumvented IT policy, actually did mishandle classified information then lied about it, compromised national security and opened the US up to potential damage that still may at some point reveal itself. Actually, I was referring only to the media and what they reported regarding the "breaking news" about Hillary's supposed emails on the peepeepic dude's laptop, and this report about the briefing. Oh, well yes, that would be a different conversation. In that case, I would say the right-media probably did the same thing with that story that CNN is doing with this one. It was a really shocking move on Comey's part though and even left-media was in a spin over it. Poor Comey - damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I posted a link yesterday to an interesting analysis of Comey's thought process by the NYT: " These Are the Bad (and Worse) Options James Comey Faced" |
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Post by flute4peace on Jan 13, 2017 20:06:35 GMT
Actually, I was referring only to the media and what they reported regarding the "breaking news" about Hillary's supposed emails on the peepeepic dude's laptop, and this report about the briefing. Oh, well yes, that would be a different conversation. In that case, I would say the right-media probably did the same thing with that story that CNN is doing with this one. It was a really shocking move on Comey's part though and even left-media was in a spin over it. Poor Comey - damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I posted a link yesterday to an interesting analysis of Comey's thought process by the NYT: " These Are the Bad (and Worse) Options James Comey Faced" Yea, I don't think he has any credibility left. Which isn't good for a man in his position.
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Jan 13, 2017 20:07:50 GMT
Did you happen to watch the video I linked to earlier in this post thread? Just finished it. And it doesn't really change my opinion...CNN is saying "look, we reported on the existence of this dossier, not the details of it" and that is true. However, they also are focusing on it and giving it a lot more importance than what I would consider to be normal if this dossier were about someone else. Because it's Trump though... This is just my opinion. Kind of like the way Fox News and its personalities helped perpetuate the birther idiocy that Trump also perpetuated until very recently? |
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 13, 2017 20:12:43 GMT
Just finished it. And it doesn't really change my opinion...CNN is saying "look, we reported on the existence of this dossier, not the details of it" and that is true. However, they also are focusing on it and giving it a lot more importance than what I would consider to be normal if this dossier were about someone else. Because it's Trump though... This is just my opinion. Kind of like the way Fox News and its personalities helped perpetuate the birther idiocy that Trump also perpetuated until very recently? Uh...Yep. |
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Post by jayfab on Jan 13, 2017 20:52:47 GMT
After thinking about this and reading this thread. Don't you think there's a difference between fake news and bad/not clear news? CNN might have be guilty of unclear info but in my mind it's not fake news which what the Don keeps saying. It's not like they said Cruz's father was involved in the JFK assassination or President Obama was born in Kenya.
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Montannie
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Post by Montannie on Jan 13, 2017 21:10:31 GMT
IMO "fake news" implies malicious intent.
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