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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 12:44:51 GMT
Remember , he was just a teenager. And remember those of you who say make bad choices bad things happen that you people were raised with privilege and parents and middle class and opportunities he didn't have. It's awfully judgemental of you to say. My alcoholic parents had a rocky marriage for as long as I can remember. They finally divorced when I was in 6th grade. In 7th grade, my alcoholic mother kicked me out of the house. My father was in such poor shape I could not go and live with him and from 7th grade until I graduated from high school, I lived with friends of mine, friends of my father. I had no one looking out for me. I worked from the time I was 15 so that I could buy my own school clothes and even help pay bills in the household in which I was living. (because my father was such a loser he never paid any of these non-family members child support) I assure you that my life was far, FAR from privileged. There were a TON of opportunities that I was not able to pursue. I was too busy working as many hours as I could get, and stay in school and graduate because it was important to ME. I wanted a better life.
I cannot stand when I see people using a bad childhood/bad homelife as an excuse for bad behavior.
With that said, the reason I visited this thread this morning was to post the following in regards to the unrest last night...the first night of the state imposed curfew
"Jayson Ross, who was leading the protesters toward police before the canisters were fired, said: "They got guns. We got guns. We are ready."
Dear Jayson Ross, You are a complete idiot. This will not end well for anyone, including your own stupid self.
news.yahoo.com/police-deploy-tear-gas-impose-ferguson-curfew-094257268.html
THIS is the mindset the police (and now the state police) are facing in Ferguson. They're going to go against the police with weapons? But the police should not defend themselves or work to try and keep anarchy at bay. Gotcha.
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Post by straggler on Aug 17, 2014 13:10:53 GMT
It is being said this am, that Eric Holder wanted the video tape withheld until it was released on Friday. If that is true, it's really something that the administration would let the Ferguson police take the guff for "disparaging MB's character"... guess they didn't think the police department had a big enough mess on their hands. Although, while the robbery may have had nothing to do with the shooting, it did give a different picture of the "gentle giant". Wonder when we will hear the police officer's side of the story, but at this point will anyone believe him?
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 17, 2014 13:30:39 GMT
According to the Chief the information was released because media requested it under freedom of information act. So, it was going to be released but it should not have been done concurrently with the release of the officers name for the reasons you mention.
The "star" witness was involved in the robbery. He could be telling the truth or he could be lying to save his ass. His credibility is damaged because he participated in a crime 10 minutes before the confrontation with police.
The police chief is very nervous on tv and misspeaks frequently mixing up names. Small town department getting national attention. I don't think he intends on giving wrong information but he has. His statements are probably not his unilateral decision. The town council, solicitor, manager probably all had made the decision to release the information.
I think the information on the robbery is relevant but it should have been released later when more facts of the case are disclosed so that it is in context.
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 17, 2014 13:35:34 GMT
Good for you! I'm not making excuses for him or anyone else...my point is that there IS discrimination in this country. If Michael brown had been white, none of this would have happened, period. People aren't equally held accountable for their actions, period. And people who come from privilege will never ever get it, period.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 17, 2014 14:02:59 GMT
It is being said this am, that Eric Holder wanted the video tape withheld until it was released on Friday. If that is true, it's really something that the administration would let the Ferguson police take the guff for "disparaging MB's character"... guess they didn't think the police department had a big enough mess on their hands. Although, while the robbery may have had nothing to do with the shooting, it did give a different picture of the "gentle giant". Wonder when we will hear the police officer's side of the story, but at this point will anyone believe him? Personally, I don't care if he was in the habit of stealing walkers from old ladies. At the time of the shooting, all that the officer was aware of was the jaywalking. It's funny because I was talking to a member of the CAF yesterday and he said that with the training on how to de-escalate situations that he got, all other things being equal, the kid would have been safer on the streets of Kandahar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:08:54 GMT
"At the time of the shooting, all that the officer was aware of was the jaywalking."
I know the police chief himself has made this statement. But if Officer Wilson was listening to his radio, he would've heard the description of the suspects involved in the robbery.
So I don't understand why the chief is saying that the officer involved wasn't aware of the robbery or description of the suspects. And because we haven't heard from the Officer himself or seen his account, I guess I'm not willing to fully accept, without any doubt, that the officer was not aware of the robbery.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 17, 2014 14:17:10 GMT
I think this may be part of the misinformation out there because the Chief said one thing and then contradicted himself and the media has latched onto this.
The robbery took place 10 minutes before the confrontation. The police officer has a radio in his vehicle and a portable radio, I find it hard to believe he did not hear the dispatch but I could be wrong. Do we know what time the 911 call was made?
So little information is really out there and people have dug their heels in.
If there was excessive force, the officer should be charged and tried. But in this Country, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:26:53 GMT
11:48 a.m. to noon – An officer responds to a call of a sick person. 11:51 a.m. – Another call comes in about a robbery at a convenience store. The dispatcher gives a description of the robber and says the suspect is walking toward the Quick Trip convenience store. 12:01 p.m. – The officer encounters Michael Brown and a friend as they walk down a street. Brown is shot to death as a result of the encounter. 12:04 p.m. – A second officer arrives on the scene followed by a supervisor one minute later. An ambulance responding to the earlier sick person call drives by and responds to assess Brown. www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/Officers have radios in their cars...and I'm fairly confident most if not all wear radios on their uniform. I'm not sure how anyone can say with certainty that he did not hear the suspect description in regards to the robbery. I'd like to hear what the officer himself has to say or read his statement in a report before I crucify him.
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Post by straggler on Aug 17, 2014 14:47:34 GMT
I will wait to hear the officer's side of the story. We don't know what he did or didn't know, or when he did or didn't know it. And, we don't know what happened inside that police car or what the officer's mindset was when the shooting occurred. And you can say you don't care if he stole walkers from old ladies, but what we do know is that MB's actions speak to character and that video speaks a thousand words. And I am not speaking of even the stealing of cigars, I am speaking of someone very large grabbing a much smaller person at the throat, he is a very intimidating figure in that video as he repeatedly confronts the store employee. And this was his behavior in broad daylight, in front of people, and a video camera running. That is no "gentle giant". We need to hear from the officer. If the shooting was not justified, he will be prosecuted.
It's just too bad just as many people aren't concerned about the 26 people who were shot in Chicago last week end.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 17, 2014 14:50:18 GMT
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Post by PEArfect on Aug 17, 2014 17:19:40 GMT
Now the media is saying that the 'rubber bullets' were actually foam ear plugs officers wear. smh The media just makes things worse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 17:45:33 GMT
No. That is exactly what the officer did, and is what any officer who shoots and kills a person does. He did not shoot him because he stole cigars. He also wasn't shot because he was jay walking. There is something more to it and I think we'll find out soon enough.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 17, 2014 19:31:55 GMT
the FBI has been involved since....last wednesday (or thereabouts)- the Ferguson PD was never investigating the shooting - STL County was - and then the FBI took over
Eric Holder is calling for a federal autopsy as well
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 17, 2014 19:34:04 GMT
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 17, 2014 19:59:46 GMT
This. A THOUSAND TIMES this.
And there is really no excuse for what the media has done as well...the posting of a black child's photo in the WORST possible light, as compared to a white kid's school yearbook photo for the same type of charges? Wrong on so many levels.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:00:07 GMT
Good for you! I'm not making excuses for him or anyone else...my point is that there IS discrimination in this country. If Michael brown had been white, none of this would have happened, period. People aren't equally held accountable for their actions, period. And people who come from privilege will never ever get it, period. I call bull crap. I've been watching and weighing all the evidence that is coming out, and if the man had been white, and had done the things that it is appearing he did, he would still be dead. The officer, from what I am reading, acted as his training dictated. If Brown turned and charged him, then the officer was in the right to fire. And cops are trained, rightfully so, that once you fire, you keep firing until the threat is neutralized - so if he did not go down on the first shot, the officer was doing exactly what he was supposed to do...protect himself and anyone else in the area by taking the threat down. There are no warning shots, no "wounding" shots. Those will get cops killed so fast...and those men and women have every right to come home to their families. If a suspect puts himself in the situation that a cop feels the need to pull his gun, then the fault lies with him. That doesn't mean all cops are infallible, or that brown "deserved" to die. But just as in the TM case, there are lots of things that lead up to his death, and it seems that he was not innocent in the choices that he made. I am so thankful that my husband is no longer in law enforcement. I couldn't handle it.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 17, 2014 21:03:03 GMT
Can you imagine if you lived next door to this cop and the media was flashing your street, your house? Remember when the media gave out Zimmerman's address incorrectly, or his parents? I can't remember which it was, but the people living there had to go into hiding. This is insanity!
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 17, 2014 21:11:24 GMT
The loss of another young person & the ensuing destruction of a town are both tragic & sad. I find the "media" coverage exploitative & distasteful. Likewise, Revs. Sharpton & Jackson taking advantage of the death of a black teen to insert themselves in front of national tv cameras is despicable; the deceased & the officer having different skin colors does not automatically mean the incident was racially-motivated! My prayers are with the family of the teen...
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Post by yoursweetwhimsy on Aug 17, 2014 22:47:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 23:17:41 GMT
Very interesting. I've always heard that Brown was running away...shot in the back. It will be interesting to see if he was shot in the front or the back...and perhaps Brown was rushing the officer...which is why he continued to shoot.
It will also be interesting to see the toxicology report from any/all autopsy reports.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 23:24:16 GMT
You call bull crap on race-based discrimination by cops? REALLY? You really are disconnected from reality. I call bull crap on your statement. *shakes head in disbelief* That isn't what was said in the post you are quoting.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 17, 2014 23:43:20 GMT
Nevermind. Not worth it.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 0:03:05 GMT
Liz, I have asked you kindly to call me Katy since that is my name. You refuse. At this point anything you ever write on this forum is worthless since you lack manners and refuse to engage in discussion like a grown up.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 18, 2014 0:11:34 GMT
You call bull crap on race-based discrimination by cops? REALLY? You really are disconnected from reality. I call bull crap on your statement. *shakes head in disbelief* Not all cops are racist or participate in race based discrimination. You understand that, right? It is kind of hard to tell from your posts. This is case is being investigated by neutral parties, I think it is best if everyone waits to hear what comes out of that investigation before judging the police officer or Michael Brown.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 0:41:38 GMT
Dear Lizandjuan, I only call you Liz here because it's a part of your username on this forum. Certainly not enough evidence to make me someone I'm not. My name is Katy and I think cupcakes are awesome. I have no problem with you calling me Katy or KatyCupcake. If you would like me to stop calling you Liz and address you by your full username, I will gladly oblige.
Thanks! Katy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 3:44:46 GMT
I went back to the first few pages in this thread and see many people posting that Michael Brown was "fleeing" when he was shot.
Dr. Michael Baden was hired by Michael Brown's family to do an autopsy.
He reports that Brown was shot 6 times...4 times in the right arm and twice in the head. All the bullets entered from the front.
IF Michael Brown was fleeing as was initially reported by all the witnesses, was he running backwards? If he was running away, how did the officer hit him in the front?
Kinda lines up with what that witness said in the background on that video posted on the last page or two. Perhaps Brown was shot in the car...and began to flee...and then when the Officer told him to freeze, Brown turned around to confront the officer...who then continued to fire.
I wasn't there...but taking 6 shots in the front while "fleeing" doesn't really seem possible, does it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 3:48:36 GMT
I went back to the first few pages in this thread and see many people posting that Michael Brown was "fleeing" when he was shot.
Dr. Michael Baden was hired by Michael Brown's family to do an autopsy.
He reports that Brown was shot 6 times...4 times in the right arm and twice in the head. All the bullets entered from the front.
IF Michael Brown was fleeing as was initially reported by all the witnesses, was he running backwards? If he was running away, how did the officer hit him in the front?
Kinda lines up with what that witness said in the background on that video posted on the last page or two. Perhaps Brown was shot in the car...and began to flee...and then when the Officer told him to freeze, Brown turned around to confront the officer...who then continued to fire.
I wasn't there...but taking 6 shots in the front while "fleeing" doesn't really seem possible, does it? One can flee by backing up and not turning your back on who you are fleeing from. Just another alternative to ponder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 3:52:26 GMT
I guess when I hear the word "flee" I consider it to mean quickly...as in running. It just seems to me that if he were really fleeing, he wouldn't have been doing it backwards. But time will tell and more reports are yet to be released. (including any kind of testimony from the Officer as to what happened)
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Post by azredhead on Aug 18, 2014 4:17:24 GMT
With three autopsy I hope they can get conclusive results. Is it odd that there are three or is just because of the high intensity of the case. The unrest there tonight is not good either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 4:35:39 GMT
Of course! To say that NONE of them are racist is just as wrong as saying ALL of them are.
Lynlam never said that none of them are racist. I'm not understanding why you are arguing as if she did.
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