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Post by freecharlie on Aug 18, 2014 2:58:14 GMT
Also, I don't think that the wife had a an issue until recently
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Post by Skypea on Aug 18, 2014 2:58:47 GMT
Skypea - I'm not familiar with Fr Cedric as I don't watch EWTN but I suspect he means it differently than I've seen it used in Baptist and non-denom churches but I don't know for sure. I've certainly never seen/heard an altar call of any sort in a Catholic Church here in the States or abroad but I've only attended a handful of different parishes (maybe 30 or so total) so that's hardly statistically important. as for the importance of church/denom - I was careful to state many not all. I know that every Christian church has its own beliefs and one can't (shouldn't) generalise across all (or even all non-Catholic Christian churches).
no, actually he meant exactly what most people know as an alter call. He explained it and even talked about that it wasn't often done in a CC but he was doing it and the people loved it.
as for the 'many churches'. I know you said 'many' - not all. But so many (ha!) don't always read that as 'not all'. Time and again on threads (as even with the one about the funeral) people think all/any 'protestant' church is interchangeable. They aren't. And that all who aren't Catholic are Protestant. They aren't. I find on the other forums Catholics only seem to know those who aren't Catholic as 'Protestants'. (not including things like Islam, Hindu etc).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 3:38:38 GMT
volt, you are right about the family orientation of many churches. I had never seen that point of view. I do think that it unrealistic to think that a woman has no say in what goes on under her roof just because someone else gave birth to a child. She has some say. Just not as much say if the only children were the ones she birthed. When you marry a man with kids you marry his ex too. And she does have rights to have a say in the way her kids are raised. I think you would feel differently if someone were suddenly imposing values on your kids that didn't mesh with your values. She can have a say in what she cooks for dinner, when dinner is served, if the child treats her respectfully. If she wants everyone to attend church on Sunday she can mandate that too. BUT, if the bio mom says "no" to the step mom's church then the step mom needs to find a Catholic church for the child to attend (in this case) or whatever religion the bio mom prefers her child to be raised as. She may need to make friends with a Catholic family that will be the child up, take him to mass and return him afterwards if the hours aren't the same as her church. Or maybe they need to consider a change to the visitation/custody arrangement and not have him every Sunday or even on Sunday. Since non church attendance by the dad w/child apparently wasn't an issue during their dating days I'm wondering why now? Is she feeling the pressure to be the evangelical wife that brings her husband and kids to services so they can be "saved" or feel that inadequacy/judgement that she isn't doing her duty to make them come now that they are married. Again, not enough info on her motivation, their past history, to make a determination.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 18, 2014 3:45:20 GMT
But what if the new church is the father's church too? Doesn't he get a say?
I guess I read it as the child had been going to church with the family and just recently the mother decided she didn't like it.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 18, 2014 4:07:32 GMT
However, we do have guidance here, directly from the bible. There is a passage that always comes to mind for me. It's 1 Corinthians 11:23-29. I have been taught that it's because of this passage that we choose appropriate communion to attend. 23 For the tradition I received from the Lord and also handed on to you is that on the night he was betrayed, the Lord Jesus took some bread, 24 and after he had given thanks, he broke it, and he said, 'This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.' 25 And in the same way, with the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Whenever you drink it, do this as a memorial of me.' 26 Whenever you eat this bread, then, and drink this cup, you are proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Therefore anyone who eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily is answerable for the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone is to examine himself and only then eat of the bread or drink from the cup;29 because a person who eats and drinks without recognising the body is eating and drinking his own condemnation. The theology here is getting pretty deep. verses 17 -22 and 33 - 34 of 1 Cor. 11 explain why Paul admonished them about being 'unworthy' at/during the Lord's Supper. It was about appropriate behavior.
That one pastor's consecration of the Body and Blood is not the same from faith to faith. And that is why, as Catholics, we don't celebrate Holy Communion with most other faiths. Because one faith considers it bread and grape juice, another considers it to represent the Body and Blood, another considers it the Body and Blood UNDER the bread and the wine. the CC teaches that the bread actually BECOMES the real flesh of Christ and the wine actually BECOMES the real blood of Christ.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 18, 2014 4:16:08 GMT
volt, you are right about the family orientation of many churches. I had never seen that point of view. I do think that it unrealistic to think that a woman has no say in what goes on under her roof just because someone else gave birth to a child. She has some say. Just not as much say if the only children were the ones she birthed. When you marry a man with kids you marry his ex too. And she does have rights to have a say in the way her kids are raised. I think you would feel differently if someone were suddenly imposing values on your kids that didn't mesh with your values. She can have a say in what she cooks for dinner, when dinner is served, if the child treats her respectfully. If she wants everyone to attend church on Sunday she can mandate that too. BUT, if the bio mom says "no" to the step mom's church then the step mom needs to find a Catholic church for the child to attend (in this case) or whatever religion the bio mom prefers her child to be raised as. She may need to make friends with a Catholic family that will be the child up, take him to mass and return him afterwards if the hours aren't the same as her church. Or maybe they need to consider a change to the visitation/custody arrangement and not have him every Sunday or even on Sunday. Since non church attendance by the dad w/child apparently wasn't an issue during their dating days I'm wondering why now? Is she feeling the pressure to be the evangelical wife that brings her husband and kids to services so they can be "saved" or feel that inadequacy/judgement that she isn't doing her duty to make them come now that they are married. Again, not enough info on her motivation, their past history, to make a determination.
Not necessarily. If 'mom and dad' don't work it out, it'll be before a judge.
did Kelly say the stepmom was evangelical?
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Post by I-95 on Aug 18, 2014 14:02:12 GMT
My DH is Jewish and my kids are Catholic...that took some work A story you might appreciate.... DH and I are both Catholic. We have close, very dear friends who are Jewish. My friend told me about this wonderful pre-school program at her synagogue that was open to all denominations. Our church had no program and so we sent our son to pre-school at the synagogue. Each year they would have a children's Shabbat service that we attended. We also attended Church too and our son was aware that we all believed in God but a preschooler doesn't understand the difference in our beliefs. Anyway, at Christmas dinner he asked if he could say the blessing before dinner so we said of course and to our surprise and delight he said...Baruch atah, Adonai, Eloheinu, Melech haolam, hamotzi lechem min haaretz. Not to worry, he has made all his sacraments and attended Catholic elementary and high school. Oh, thank you for that!! We had a similar experience with our kids....When they were much younger we introduced them to both religions, Catholic and Jewish, with a few others thrown in for good measure. So I'm lighting the Hanukkah candles and I say the prayer in Hebrew. At the end of it, my DD looks up and says 'And Bless Jesus too', then my DS gets down on the floor and goes into a Muslim prayer position.....All ecumenical practices came to a grinding standstill at that point and they went back to being good little Catholics!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:30:10 GMT
"If their catholic faith was that important to them they would still be married and raising the child together. Obviously it's not."
1. since the biological mother doesn't take the child to catholic services, or have him in any religious training, I don't see that she has a right to complain. 2. Even if the biological parents were married in the catholic church, he was not required to promise to raise the children catholic (since 1983) but here is what the catholic biological parent was required to promise:I promise to do all in my power to share the faith I have received with our children by having them baptized and reared as Catholics. 3. She is the one who is breaking a promise.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 18, 2014 14:51:28 GMT
"If their catholic faith was that important to them they would still be married and raising the child together. Obviously it's not."1. since the biological mother doesn't take the child to catholic services, or have him in any religious training, I don't see that she has a right to complain. 2. Even if the biological parents were married in the catholic church, he was not required to promise to raise the children catholic (since 1983) but here is what the catholic biological parent was required to promise:I promise to do all in my power to share the faith I have received with our children by having them baptized and reared as Catholics. 3. She is the one who is breaking a promise. 1. I'm not sure how the OP actually knows that the bio mom never takes the child to services. She is, after all, talking about a friend of hers being the new wife. However, if the child was baptized Catholic, she made her statement then about which religion she wants her child raised in, so she does have a right to complain. 2. You are correct. 3. You don't know that. It could be she just takes the child at Christmas and Easter. It could be she takes the child whenever she has him/her on a Sunday. It could be the child is reporting to dad that 'we never go to church' and it may not be the truth. If she/he is with the dad 'most weekends' then maybe the child does think it's true that they never go with mom. We also don't know what the bio-mom does...she may pray with the child every night, read the bible with them, we don't know. What we do know is she objects to having her choice of religion circumvented, and in that she definitely gets to voice her opinions, especially if the dad didn't have the decency to discuss it with her first.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 15:30:56 GMT
But what if the new church is the father's church too? Doesn't he get a say? I guess I read it as the child had been going to church with the family and just recently the mother decided she didn't like it. I agree. BOTH parents should have equal say in their child's religious upbringing. Why should mom get more of a say than dad? Mom should get more say than step mom, but only equal say as dad. I also think this has less to do with church attendance and more to do with mom's issues over dad's new marriage. If that is the case, I think it's pretty sad the way she's using her child and her faith.
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Post by pierogi on Aug 18, 2014 16:33:19 GMT
Also, I don't think that the wife had a an issue until recently We really don't know. The OP said the marriage itself is a very recent thing. It could also be the mother is objecting now because the father wasn't attending the new church or taking his children during the dating period, so there wasn't a conflict. If the child was baptized, that indicates an initial commitment on both parents to raise him/her Catholic. It's also hard not knowing the child's exact age, given the important milestones for somebody raised in the Church. (7 years: first communion, 13-14: confirmation, etc.)
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Post by I-95 on Aug 18, 2014 17:01:58 GMT
Kaycupcake said:
Because both mom and dad, at one stage, agreed the child would be raised Catholic. Dad is apparently changing horses midstream and bio-mom is objecting. Since she wishes to continue the original plan, she gets more say....IMHO. However, if dad has found a new religious calling, then he needs to discuss it with the woman he made a child with, not his new wife. Sounds like dad doesn't have much of a religious conviction anyway. If he did he would have told his ex that he had a new relationship with God, through a new church, and he'd like to start taking their child there, and probably done it before he even married the new wife.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 17:09:46 GMT
Also, I don't think that the wife had a an issue until recently We really don't know. The OP said the marriage itself is a very recent thing. It could also be the mother is objecting now because the father wasn't attending the new church or taking his children during the dating period, so there wasn't a conflict. If the child was baptized, that indicates an initial commitment on both parents to raise him/her Catholic. It's also hard not knowing the child's exact age, given the important milestones for somebody raised in the Church. (7 years: first communion, 13-14: confirmation, etc.) True, but there was also an initial commitment between the parents called a marriage. Once the marriage ended, some elements from within that commitment will have to naturally change as well. Just because a person is baptized as an infant in a specific church does not mean they will always attend that specific church. Situations change within a lifetime. I don't go to the church I was baptized in but that doesn't mean my baptism is null and void. It just means I'm in a different place in my growth as a person and a Christian. The dad may have found he prefers his new church. I don't think the mom should prevent him from taking his whole family to the new church even when the son is with him for the weekend.
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Post by pierogi on Aug 18, 2014 17:21:31 GMT
We really don't know. The OP said the marriage itself is a very recent thing. It could also be the mother is objecting now because the father wasn't attending the new church or taking his children during the dating period, so there wasn't a conflict. If the child was baptized, that indicates an initial commitment on both parents to raise him/her Catholic. It's also hard not knowing the child's exact age, given the important milestones for somebody raised in the Church. (7 years: first communion, 13-14: confirmation, etc.) True, but there was also an initial commitment between the parents called a marriage. Once the marriage ended, some elements from within that commitment will have to naturally change as well. I realize they're no longer married. However, their obligations to their children continue to exist, whether the father marries 8 or 80 times. The rest of your post has nothing to do with this particular situation. The child is a minor. Parents make religious decisions for him until he or she is mature enough to make choices on his/her own. If that child becomes an adult who wants to be LDS, Bahai, or a Scientologist, that's fine. But it doesn't pertain to the situation here. The mother wants the child to be raised Catholic. It appears she has primary custody (during the week), so her desires will, and should be weighted if they mediate in Family court. It looks like the father at the very least went along with this, but changed his mind with the new wife. The mother has a problem with this. I would too. I'm not sure why you're taking this so personally.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 17:22:44 GMT
Kaycupcake said: Because both mom and dad, at one stage, agreed the child would be raised Catholic. Dad is apparently changing horses midstream and bio-mom is objecting. Since she wishes to continue the original plan, she gets more say....IMHO. However, if dad has found a new religious calling, then he needs to discuss it with the woman he made a child with, not his new wife. Sounds like dad doesn't have much of a religious conviction anyway. If he did he would have told his ex that he had a new relationship with God, through a new church, and he'd like to start taking their child there, and probably done it before he even married the new wife. How do we know he didn't discuss his new church with his ex wife before this? And I think it's unfair to assume the dad doesn't have much religious conviction. He may have explained and asked nicely and she might just be saying no- perhaps out of bitterness from their ended marriage or jealousy over the new marriage. I guess I still think that regardless of what choice was made at a stage when the parents were married, they have to deal with the stage they're in now- that stage includes a different denomination, a new marriage, and a child caught in the middle.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 17:25:39 GMT
I'm not sure why you're taking this so personally. Hmmm. I am not taking it personally. I'm simply finding this discussion very interesting and participating within the framework of my experiences.
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Post by doesitmatter on Aug 18, 2014 17:32:17 GMT
As a Christian, I wouldn't have a problem with my child attending another church with similar doctrine and teachings....but not churches with opposing or radically different doctrine. As he / she got older , I would be more open to the child making his / her own decisions about exploring churches etc.
At this point my children and I attend a Christian church , and while my ex would sometimes attend with us ,my ex doesn't attend now. He has taken dd to a few events at our church though since we split. I wouldn't have a problem with him taking her to another church with similar doctrine and fwiw we chose our family church together anyway . Even though he is lazy about church and religion , he has agreed that it's best for our children to attend with me and have faith in God.
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Post by doesitmatter on Aug 18, 2014 17:33:28 GMT
As a Christian, I wouldn't have a problem with my child attending another church with similar doctrine and teachings....but not churches with opposing or radically different doctrine. As he / she got older , I would be more open to the child making his / her own decisions about exploring churches etc. At this point my children and I attend a Christian church , and while my ex would sometimes attend with us ,my ex doesn't attend now. He has taken dd to a few events at our church though since we split. I wouldn't have a problem with him taking her to another church with similar doctrine and fwiw we chose our family church together anyway . Even though he is lazy about church and religion , he has agreed that it's best for our children to attend with me and have faith in God. Eta - so no, I wouldn't be ok with it. See above. ^
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Post by pierogi on Aug 18, 2014 17:39:48 GMT
You don't know. That's exactly it. So why do you keep posting about the mother's "bitterness" and how she's using her beliefs to purposefully create conflict and hurt the child? You don't know her. I don't know her.
Switching to a different denomination isn't a stage of life. Or at least, it isn't for me. Again, this may be one of those huge differences that separate Catholics from other christian paths, but we don't just shed our traditions like a sweater. For most Catholics, being Catholic is a part of who you are. I'm not a perfect Catholic, far from it. But it is as part of my identity as my birthday or the freckles on my arm.
People do leave the Church, but it's usually over big doctrinal differences or disillusion. It's not a small thing. Please respect that.
Edit: This is directed to Katycupcake
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 18:27:37 GMT
You don't know. That's exactly it. So why do you keep posting about the mother's "bitterness" and how she's using her beliefs to purposefully create conflict and hurt the child? You don't know her. I don't know her. Switching to a different denomination isn't a stage of life. Or at least, it isn't for me. Again, this may be one of those huge differences that separate Catholics from other christian paths, but we don't just shed our traditions like a sweater. For most Catholics, being Catholic is a part of who you are. I'm not a perfect Catholic, far from it. But it is as part of my identity as my birthday or the freckles on my arm. People do leave the Church, but it's usually over big doctrinal differences or disillusion. It's not a small thing. Please respect that. Edit: This is directed to Katycupcake I didn't say I did know. I said, "PERHAPS" the mother is bitter or jealous over the divorce and remarriage. That means it might be a possibility. Just like it might be a possibility that the dad isn't really a devout Christian and is only appeasing his new wife. I'm saying that we don't know the details and there are many possible motivating factors we aren't privy to. I specifically feel BOTH parents share responsibility in raising their shared child and that includes the church he attends. I don't think mom should be able to prevent dad from taking his son to church with him simply because it isn't the church they originally had agreed upon.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 18, 2014 19:20:31 GMT
Katycupcake said:
No, we don't know the details, but with any Pea thread that allows us to speculate. I speculated that the father wasn't religiously committed prior to this marriage or he'd be taking his child to Mass. If he has had an epiphany, then he should have discussed it with his ex-wife. The OP said the new wife wanted to take the child to her church because they had him most weekends. That sounds to me like a situation that wasn't brought up prior to their marriage, but I really do think Catholics are a bit different when it comes to stuff like this. To me, and i may be dead wrong, but I don't see much difference between say Methodists and Presbyterians, but I see a huge difference between those two and Catholicism. I see a big difference between Southern Baptist and Catholicism and if the mother feels strongly about it, then she and her ex need to work it out, but if feelings are strong, the step mother needs to take a back seat.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 18, 2014 19:24:31 GMT
Actually, we do know a little bit more about the dad. The Op posted this...
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Post by mimima on Aug 18, 2014 19:36:36 GMT
Skypea - I'm not familiar with Fr Cedric as I don't watch EWTN but I suspect he means it differently than I've seen it used in Baptist and non-denom churches but I don't know for sure. I've certainly never seen/heard an altar call of any sort in a Catholic Church here in the States or abroad but I've only attended a handful of different parishes (maybe 30 or so total) so that's hardly statistically important. as for the importance of church/denom - I was careful to state many not all. I know that every Christian church has its own beliefs and one can't (shouldn't) generalise across all (or even all non-Catholic Christian churches).
no, actually he meant exactly what most people know as an alter call. He explained it and even talked about that it wasn't often done in a CC but he was doing it and the people loved it.
as for the 'many churches'. I know you said 'many' - not all. But so many (ha!) don't always read that as 'not all'. Time and again on threads (as even with the one about the funeral) people think all/any 'protestant' church is interchangeable. They aren't. And that all who aren't Catholic are Protestant. They aren't. I find on the other forums Catholics only seem to know those who aren't Catholic as 'Protestants'. (not including things like Islam, Hindu etc).
In case you are curious about Father Cedric and his thoughts, here is his viewpoint on salvation (as a continuous process, as is Catholic doctrine) frcedric.org/default.aspx/MenuItemID/123/MenuGroup/Home.htm Salvation in Catholic theology: newadvent.org/cathen/13407a.htmI do not think that he's using the term "altar call" like you are, Skypea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 20:43:34 GMT
True, but there was also an initial commitment between the parents called a marriage. Once the marriage ended, some elements from within that commitment will have to naturally change as well. Just because a person is baptized as an infant in a specific church does not mean they will always attend that specific church. Situations change within a lifetime. I don't go to the church I was baptized in but that doesn't mean my baptism is null and void. It just means I'm in a different place in my growth as a person and a Christian. The dad may have found he prefers his new church. I don't think the mom should prevent him from taking his whole family to the new church even when the son is with him for the weekend. But the promise made by the parents at the Baptism of that child doesn't end because of the marriage breakdown. As parents you make that promise on behalf of that infant to bring them up in the Catholic faith until such time that he/she is old enough to make his/her own commitment, in this case by confirmation,when he/she is older. I'm not a Catholic but the Anglican Church as far as the confession of faith at a Baptism is very much the same in so far as we make a similar promise. So if the faith of the Mom isn't the same as the step-mom's faith how can the Mom keep that promise she's made in the sight of God? I don't know what Christian denomination church you attend. So without meaning to be insulting I would guess that you don't fully understand the importance of that promise in the case of the Roman Catholic Church. Evan as an Anglican C of E I would not agree to my child attending say, a Mormon Church or Evangelical church for example, because they would be at odds with what my beliefs were in respect of that confession of faith I had made. In the case of a Southern Baptist church it would be totally at odds because they don't believe in infant baptism. Therefore, I would be breaking the promise I made when I had my child baptized in the faith that I believe in.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 18, 2014 20:47:34 GMT
I do not think that he's using the term "altar call" like you are, Skypea.
you might want to catch his program on the catholic channel (Live with Passion). He explained it just like a Christian alter call. He even referred to those - and mentioned that it isn't something normally done in a Catholic church but is in other churches. Even to having the people come forward. He said the people were very responsive to it. Other things he says (and does) might be totally in Catholic alignment. I only watched him a few times. I didn't find him that interesting - he is very dry and slow in speech. He reminded me of my HS history teacher - monotone and boring. I could doze off in the middle of a sentence. But very happy to hear that he is teaching people to call on the name of Christ - which is all thru-out the NT (as in Matt 16 with Peter and much in the epistles of John). He is a younger guy, seems very nice and sincere but not lively (as one would hope with the show name).
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Post by mimima on Aug 18, 2014 20:59:49 GMT
you might want to catch his program on the catholic channel (Live with Passion). He explained it just like a Christian alter call. He even referred to those - and mentioned that it isn't something normally done in a Catholic church but is in other churches. Even to having the people come forward. He said the people were very responsive to it. Other things he says (and does) might be totally in Catholic alignment. I only watched him a few times. I didn't find him that interesting - he is very dry and slow in speech. He reminded me of my HS history teacher - monotone and boring. I could doze off in the middle of a sentence. But very happy to hear that he is teaching people to call on the name of Christ - which is all thru-out the NT (as in Matt 16 with Peter and much in the epistles of John). He is a younger guy, seems very nice and sincere but not lively (as one would hope with the show name).
I'm not Catholic, and not planning on watching his program, and couldn't if I wanted to as I don't have cable. It's interesting that he does "altar calls" and I suspect that there is a theological element that is different than in Protestant theology, and is not proof of anything lacking in Catholic praxis, except perhaps catechesis. Having said that, it's also not a hill I'm going to die on. I was sorry to note his mother passed away this weekend on his website. May her Memory be Eternal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 21:15:04 GMT
you might want to catch his program on the catholic channel (Live with Passion). He explained it just like a Christian alter call. He even referred to those - and mentioned that it isn't something normally done in a Catholic church but is in other churches. Even to having the people come forward. He said the people were very responsive to it. Other things he says (and does) might be totally in Catholic alignment. I only watched him a few times. I didn't find him that interesting - he is very dry and slow in speech. He reminded me of my HS history teacher - monotone and boring. I could doze off in the middle of a sentence. But very happy to hear that he is teaching people to call on the name of Christ - which is all thru-out the NT (as in Matt 16 with Peter and much in the epistles of John). He is a younger guy, seems very nice and sincere but not lively (as one would hope with the show name).
I would disagree that he explains it in the same way that many people interpret the definition of "altar call" This is what he says about it If you are not familiar with this, an altar call is a moment when a person can choose to come forward and give or rededicate his or her life to Christ. It is done in the open in front of everyone and means that you must get out of your chair publicly. Many think this is a Protestant type service, but in reality, we do this in the Catholic Church all the time. For example, at Mass, we get up and come forward to receive Christ in communion. On Good Friday, we get up and come forward and venerate the cross. On Ash Wednesday we publicly come forward and get ashes on our foreheads. The symbol of our faith and salvation is there for all to see.
Not quite the same as declaring publicly that you have found Christ. page 38 of this link
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Post by Skypea on Aug 18, 2014 22:05:52 GMT
you might want to catch his program on the catholic channel (Live with Passion). He explained it just like a Christian alter call. He even referred to those - and mentioned that it isn't something normally done in a Catholic church but is in other churches. Even to having the people come forward. He said the people were very responsive to it. Other things he says (and does) might be totally in Catholic alignment. I only watched him a few times. I didn't find him that interesting - he is very dry and slow in speech. He reminded me of my HS history teacher - monotone and boring. I could doze off in the middle of a sentence. But very happy to hear that he is teaching people to call on the name of Christ - which is all thru-out the NT (as in Matt 16 with Peter and much in the epistles of John). He is a younger guy, seems very nice and sincere but not lively (as one would hope with the show name).
I would disagree that he explains it in the same way that many people interpret the definition of "altar call" This is what he says about it If you are not familiar with this, an altar call is a moment when a person can choose to come forward and give or rededicate his or her life to
Christ. It is done in the open in front of everyone and means that you must get out of your chair publicly. Many think this is a Protestant type service, but in reality, we do this in the Catholic Church all the time. For example, at Mass, we get up and come forward to receive Christ in communion. On Good Friday, we get up and come forward and venerate the cross. On Ash Wednesday we publicly come forward and get ashes on our foreheads. The symbol of our faith and salvation is there for all to see.
Not quite the same as declaring publicly that you have found Christ. page 38 of this link Maybe many have had an incorrect idea of what an 'altar call' is...
'going forward' for the purpose of an established religious sacrament or ritual is different.
Those who do that in the CC are already Catholic, aren't they? Many Catholics do that on a regular basis. You could then say walking into a church is an altar call... but it isn't.
going forward to dedicate your life to Christ is different. He wasn't talking about calling people forward for a sacrament or other ritual, just to give or dedicate their lives to Christ.
Have you been to a Mass where there was an altar call at the end of it? (or even the beginning of it)
that page is from his book, not the program.
I'll try to catch him again - maybe I'll have to scratch him off of my list of 1 priest calling people to Christ...
in all my yrs (many as a Catholic) I can only look back and think of 1 (other) priest who would fit that description. He left the priesthood.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 22:43:01 GMT
Actually, we do know a little bit more about the dad. The Op posted this... Oops! I missed that part. Sorry. So the dad didn't discuss it at all with the mother and that was rude of him. I still think as a parent he should have say in which church the boy attends when he's staying with dad. I think we tend to crap all over dads who are trying to do right by their children after divorce.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 18, 2014 22:48:29 GMT
I understand this and the commitment to raising a child in a church. Just curious if you'd continue taking the child to the church they were baptized in if you as the parent changed denominations.
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