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Post by anniefb on Apr 13, 2017 0:27:05 GMT
So apparently she has filed against tonic. The new stamp platform is delayed. This cements my decision to never again buy a damn misti. I was just coming over here to post. I had one ordered and was on the phone with the company and they told me they had JUST received an update this morning that the release was being delayed while they settled litigation. The conversation was more like "Yeah, so you know that MISTI lady that sued everyone and took all the other ones off the shelf? She's going after Tim Holtz now, and we really don't have anything other than a status report saying the launch is delayed, so we have no idea when they'll ship, and I wouldn't hold my breath on it." I didn't really know what to say to that! What was the company in India that sells the stamp platforms FROM India? Does anyone know if those affected since they were international? Stampoholic is the Indian one. I have one and am very happy with it. I assume they'll just keep going. No chance of bringing proceedings and getting them heard in India in this lifetime. Even murder cases can take over 20 years to get through the system. SaveSave |
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Post by anniefb on Apr 13, 2017 0:28:46 GMT
I'd like to know this too. Sorry, but I just don't see the design as 'unique ..in every way'. It's an existing concept she adapted. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 6:39:11 GMT
Yeah, I really wish the stamp celebs would quit endorsing the misti. I think it makes them look bad to affiliate themselves with her unchristian like behavior. This exactly plus 1000!!!! I won't watch videos, read blogs, follow Instagram or shop at any of her affiliated supporters who receive her products for free or sell them. If your not affiliated and still use the Misti I still do watch your videos and follow your Instagram. I know a lot of people don't know really who she is and are just excited to be able to stamp. Like somebody with crippling arthritis who could never stamp before. She really has helped a lot of people be creative that could not before. Her attitude just makes that so heartbreaking. I live in a large Christian area. We are the buckle of the bible belt. My town is very supportive of small businesses. My DH works for a small business that is very Christian based. They even give out things with Christian sayings. Around here that is the normal. Go to a small pharmacy and receive your prescriptions in a bag with a bible verse. If the MISTI owner was from my area and acting the way she does there would be an uproar and she would be boycotted. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 13, 2017 15:51:21 GMT
I mentioned how this topic is being discussed in various threads here at RefuPeas, and my DH (who has an amazing memory) said there are two different kinds of patents. One is a design patent, and the other is an original idea patent. We had quite a discussion this morning on patents. DH had talked at length a few years ago with a patent attorney friend that he knew. They had a casual conversation about patent law that was extensive, and which DH remembers well. Some things cannot be patented. For example, you cannot patent a hinge, which has been around for who knows how long. But you can patent the design of your hinge, such as how many holes your hinge uses, or how the holes are placed. That is a very simple example, but I think it is applicable to this topic, especially since the MISTI is so similar to a letterpress. DH suggested that perhaps the creator of MISTI got a design patent rather than an original idea patent. The Tonic stamp press is different enough from the MISTI that I think Tim Holtz (or whoever did the actual design of it) must have been familiar enough with patent law to know whether or not they were taking a gamble. The Tim Holtz/Tonic stamp press is unique and different from the MISTI in certain ways. From what I have seen and read, the other companies were making almost blatant copies of the MISTI, but the Tonic stamp press is not. Patent and copyright laws do allow for simultaneous design. If Tim Holtz and Tonic have been working together on their design long enough, it may just have taken longer to bring theirs to market. If they have proof that they started on their version before the MISTI became publicly available (which is a possibility), they can go forward. After all, many people were using the letterpress for a stamp press long before anyone heard of MISTI. It's theoretically possible that Tim Holtz started working on his version even before My Sweet Petunia got her idea. And he may have quietly gotten his own patent application started about the same time as she did, or at least soon after she started her own process but before it became common knowledge. I have no personal knowledge of any of this, so I am just speculating, but the statement from Tonic sounds pretty confident that this is just a temporary delay. I sincerely hope they are right. I can see possible reasons for their confidence, but it may also just be wishful thinking on my part. Even if MSP knocks out all competition, including the Tonic stamp press, I will never buy the MISTI. |
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Post by cbet on Apr 13, 2017 16:29:52 GMT
Ditto. I don't have the skills to make my own version of the Tonic press, but the Misti-type is easy and cheap to put together with minimal skills. At least with my home-grown version, if my lid breaks I can replace it myself and not be stressing out about $60 down the drain.
I was thinking the same thing with the statement from Tonic. To me, the Tonic platform is more than an improvement on the MISTI. It's more of a completely new design of a stamping platform. The only thing (to me) that's similar is that it's a hinged platform. And there were other hinged platforms out there before the MISTI: the Letterpress platform and stamping with the case from your See-Dee's stamps, for example.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 13, 2017 21:33:51 GMT
I don't need one but after this I just feel like buying the Tonic platform in protest!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 14, 2017 0:11:09 GMT
Just going to throw in here that morals and ethical behaviour are not limited to Christians. Far from that. Nor is supporting small businesses and such. I know this forum is dominated by the USA where scrapbooking originated from but, frankly, I don't need to qualify someone's behaviour as un-Christ-like to say it's ethically questionable.  Christ set aside (because I don't care one bit whether the MISTI owner follows religion X or Y or none at all, her attitude stinks), I'm looking forward to Tonic Studios resolving this swiftly. They could sell it but would face a lawsuit. I'm guessing this is just them being careful to avoid such legal costs while taking their time to let their legal team craft a proper response to My "Sweet" Petunia's cease and desist and seeing where that goes. Whatever the outcome, I'm definitely never buying anything by My Sweet Petunia. Despicable attitude, demanding people take down videos of home-made platforms which are based on old basic letterpress platforms. I know marriages are public records in the USA but not familiar with how to research the files. It would be interesting if anyone could dig to uncover Iliana's husband's name and check to see whether her husband is indeed a lawyer or not. I'm really curious where else she thinks she'd have the funds to fight companies like WRMK and Tonic Studios in court over a lengthy amount of time. So far, it's only cease and desist but she clearly feels confident about being able to cover the legal fees (and so do the big companies she's going after apparently). |
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Post by gale w on Apr 14, 2017 0:15:44 GMT
I don't need one but after this I just feel like buying the Tonic platform in protest! I know what you mean. i have the original size misti and it works fine for me so far. But for some reason I feel the need to buy the Tonic one. It does have extra features that the misti doesn't have, though-like the ability to let the paper stick out without it possibly being bent or messing up positioning. And the way you can flip the lid for rubber vs clear stamps. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 14, 2017 1:55:06 GMT
As someone that has both a misti and a stampaholic, I will be buying and supporting the tonic/TH stamp tool. At this point when they are available, I will buy as many of them for gifts as I can, just because!
ScorePal made a crease board, followed quickly by Martha Stewart's, Stampin Up's and others.
We all grew up with a guillotine (sp) paper cutter in grade school, followed by Creative Memories making one for scrapbookets, followed by Tonic and others.
The list of similar tools goes on and on. I'm not sure why she thinks she is so special or why she thinks her design is so unique. But after watching all that has gone on with her, I hope Tonic takes her down, hard.
And this comes from someone that pays more to support my LSS. Someone that has as many of my family's services done in our small town and someone that supports small businesses as much as I can.
Anyone wondering why Christian values continue to be mentioned might not realize that SHE is the one that puts her faith out there. When a business links their religion to their product or business practices, then they will be held to acting to those values. Had she not put that out there, people would not comment on it or expect her to follow in those beliefs of how to treat people.
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Post by AmandaA on Apr 14, 2017 1:57:14 GMT
Good lord if you read all of the comments on her blog post you might think she had found a cure for cancer  I have no dog in this fight, only vaguely knew what a misti was, will probably never own one or have a real need for it but geesh... reading this thread when it has gotten bumped up the list has been an eye opener. |
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Post by gale w on Apr 14, 2017 2:06:16 GMT
As someone that has both a misti and a stampaholic, I will be buying and supporting the tonic/TH stamp tool. At this point when they are available, I will buy as many of them for gifts as I can, just because! ScorePal made a crease board, followed quickly by Martha Stewart's, Stampin Up's and others. We all grew up with a guillotine (sp) paper cutter in grade school, followed by Creative Memories making one for scrapbookets, followed by Tonic and others. The list of similar tools goes on and on. I'm not sure why she thinks she is so special or why she thinks her design is so unique. But after watching all that has gone on with her, I hope Tonic takes her down, hard. And this comes from someone that pays more to support my LSS. Someone that has as many of my family's services done in our small town and someone that supports small businesses as much as I can. Anyone wondering why Christian values continue to be mentioned might not realize that SHE is the one that puts her faith out there. When a business links their religion to their product or business practices, then they will be held to acting to those values. Had she not put that out there, people would not comment on it or expect her to follow in those beliefs of how to treat people. I'd forgotten about that. There is a bible verse on my MISTI. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 3:10:29 GMT
Anyone wondering why Christian values continue to be mentioned might not realize that SHE is the one that puts her faith out there. When a business links their religion to their product or business practices, then they will be held to acting to those values. Had she not put that out there, people would not comment on it or expect her to follow in those beliefs of how to treat people. I'd forgotten about that. There is a bible verse on my MISTI. Of course there is. |
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I know marriages are public records in the USA but not familiar with how to research the files. It would be interesting if anyone could dig to uncover Iliana's husband's name and check to see whether her husband is indeed a lawyer or not. I'm really curious where else she thinks she'd have the funds to fight companies like WRMK and Tonic Studios in court over a lengthy amount of time. So far, it's only cease and desist but she clearly feels confident about being able to cover the legal fees (and so do the big companies she's going after apparently). On another thread someone posted the legal document of Misti vs. Tonic and the lawyers don't seem to be her husband. Also, she should NOT be considered a small business anymore as those legal papers state that she has made "millions of dollars" off of the misti. And here is some food for thought for sweet petunia: 1 Timothy 6:9-11New International Version (NIV)
9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 14, 2017 5:39:28 GMT
I believe in that context, the term "prays" actually is just legal jargon for "requests" (of the court, not God). If she thinks that other companies producing stamp presses is the reason for her supposed "lost income" then she is choosing to ignore that her own poor customer service has made many of us refuse to buy her product. I was surprised that she claims to have made millions in 3 years. If that is true, then she does have the money to keep going after anyone who tries to produce a stamp press. Mostly, though, it surprises me that there are enough of us stampers who have bought the MISTI to generate that much revenue. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 6:18:33 GMT
Just going to throw in here that morals and ethical behaviour are not limited to Christians. Far from that. Nor is supporting small businesses and such. I know this forum is dominated by the USA where scrapbooking originated from but, frankly, I don't need to qualify someone's behaviour as un-Christ-like to say it's ethically questionable. Christ set aside (because I don't care one bit whether the MISTI owner follows religion X or Y or none at all, her attitude stinks), I'm looking forward to Tonic Studios resolving this swiftly. They could sell it but would face a lawsuit. I'm guessing this is just them being careful to avoid such legal costs while taking their time to let their legal team craft a proper response to My "Sweet" Petunia's cease and desist and seeing where that goes. Whatever the outcome, I'm definitely never buying anything by My Sweet Petunia. Despicable attitude, demanding people take down videos of home-made platforms which are based on old basic letterpress platforms. I know marriages are public records in the USA but not familiar with how to research the files. It would be interesting if anyone could dig to uncover Iliana's husband's name and check to see whether her husband is indeed a lawyer or not. I'm really curious where else she thinks she'd have the funds to fight companies like WRMK and Tonic Studios in court over a lengthy amount of time. So far, it's only cease and desist but she clearly feels confident about being able to cover the legal fees (and so do the big companies she's going after apparently). sleepingbooty- I understand what you are saying. The problem with her behavior is that she is using the "I am a small business & a Christian" card to justify her behavior. She puts a Christian verse on her product that you have to buy no matter what religion you are. Surprise if you are not her religion and you just spent $60-$100 on her product. Now every time you stamp you get to see a verse that might go against your own beliefs. That IMO is probably a lawsuit itself. My peeve is that I really hate when "Christians" do not follow the tenets in their denomination but justify their behavior. It makes it bad on those who do and it makes other christians look bad. I think in the States that good christians don't need any more bad feelings towards them, especially in the climate we are living in today over here. I am not a Christian. I do take up and respect other religions when they deserve that respect. I will fight for a Buddhist as hard as I will fight for a Baptist. I would not buy a product from a woman claiming to be so religious but brags about making a million dollars, goes after elderly people and the worst makes a product that she makes money off of with a religious sentiment on it. She is making a profit off of Christ. Who does that? I live in a religious town. I buy products all the time with religious sentiments on it. Those profits go to charity or a cause not to make the individual richer. I do agree with what your saying. Her behavior no matter how she worships is ethically wrong. Her throwing out the small business card. So was WRMK, Hampton Arts & Tonic at one time. She doesn't want to be a small business. She wants to be a monopoly. |
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Post by Peamac on Apr 14, 2017 12:33:24 GMT
She is making a profit off of Christ. Who does that? I live in a religious town. I buy products all the time with religious sentiments on it. Those profits go to charity or a cause not to make the individual richer. There are many companies and stores that sell products with verses or other religious sayings on them, because there are many people who are in the market for those things- tshirts, home decor, faith journalling stuff, etc. Even Walmart sells saint/Christ candles at different times of the year. I don't have a problem with them making a living off of that, for the most part. It does seem strange that one would put a verse on the MISTI, and I'm assuming it's not advertised as having a verse on it? It's one thing to choose to buy an item with a verse on it, but another thing to buy something and then find out when it arrives that there's a verse on it. I've not seen one in person- gale w, what verse is it? Can you cover it with washi tape? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 13:36:15 GMT
She is making a profit off of Christ. Who does that? I live in a religious town. I buy products all the time with religious sentiments on it. Those profits go to charity or a cause not to make the individual richer. There are many companies and stores that sell products with verses or other religious sayings on them, because there are many people who are in the market for those things- tshirts, home decor, faith journalling stuff, etc. Even Walmart sells saint/Christ candles at different times of the year. I don't have a problem with them making a living off of that, for the most part. It does seem strange that one would put a verse on the MISTI, and I'm assuming it's not advertised as having a verse on it? It's one thing to choose to buy an item with a verse on it, but another thing to buy something and then find out when it arrives that there's a verse on it. I've not seen one in person- gale w , what verse is it? Can you cover it with washi tape? So much that!!!! I don't want Bible verses on my crafting supplies. But then, I don't want Quran verses either or Bhagavad Gita verses. Or basically any verses unless they're about crafting and I know about them before I buy. Not MSP's stealth witness or testimony or whatever she's doing by jamming her religion's text onto a craft product. |
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Post by gale w on Apr 14, 2017 16:47:44 GMT
She is making a profit off of Christ. Who does that? I live in a religious town. I buy products all the time with religious sentiments on it. Those profits go to charity or a cause not to make the individual richer. There are many companies and stores that sell products with verses or other religious sayings on them, because there are many people who are in the market for those things- tshirts, home decor, faith journalling stuff, etc. Even Walmart sells saint/Christ candles at different times of the year. I don't have a problem with them making a living off of that, for the most part. It does seem strange that one would put a verse on the MISTI, and I'm assuming it's not advertised as having a verse on it? It's one thing to choose to buy an item with a verse on it, but another thing to buy something and then find out when it arrives that there's a verse on it. I've not seen one in person- gale w , what verse is it? Can you cover it with washi tape? Mine says "As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God's varied grace". I guess I could cover it. It's almost always covered by the foam piece anyway. I have no problem with bible verses (I'm catholic, after all) but geez, the hypocrisy. I have bought the stampoholic ruler tape and changed my rulers to green. As petty as it sounds, I'm thinking about trying to remove the word MISTI from the top too. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 5:26:06 GMT
Some very good points being made here.
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Post by gale w on Apr 19, 2017 3:56:49 GMT
Maybe it means nothing but I noticed that a designer who usually promotes the MISTI pretty heavily did not use it in a recent video. Instead she used a fiskars stamp press.
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Post by oaksong on Apr 19, 2017 4:51:13 GMT
Maybe it means nothing but I noticed that a designer who usually promotes the MISTI pretty heavily did not use it in a recent video. Instead she used a fiskars stamp press. Interesting. I wonder how industry leaders feel about this situation. On one hand, they must want to be loyal to innovators, but on the other hand, patenting a hinged rectangle is a little extreme, and is preventing even better products from coming to market. I can't wait to see how this plays out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:52:36 GMT
I don't have a problem with them making a living off of that, for the most part. It does seem strange that one would put a verse on the MISTI, and I'm assuming it's not advertised as having a verse on it? It's one thing to choose to buy an item with a verse on it, but another thing to buy something and then find out when it arrives that there's a verse on it. I've not seen one in person- gale w , what verse is it? Can you cover it with washi tape? Peamac- You are correct.  This is my hot headed thing is people forcing religion views or testimony on others. I think that is so morally wrong. I will listen to you all day talk about religion just don't force it on me or sneak it on me. I am not trying to be mean to my Christian girls over here. I love theology and the history of religion. I can go to WalMart and buy T-shirts with religious sayings on it but I can see them before purchasing. I have not seen one example of her religious saying on the Misti from her site or any of the other retailers who sell it. All I have ever seen is picture of a pink and black tool. If I ordered one and then received it with a religious message on it I would have been FURIOUS! I would have demanded my money back. |
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Post by Restless Spirit on Apr 19, 2017 11:28:09 GMT
Slight thread hi-jack: Can you still get the Stampoholic replacement rulers to change the original Misti's color? I'd love to coverup that pink! (And whispering quietly....where is the Bible verse located on the Misti? I have to admit I'm so totally unobservant that I've never noticed it .  I'm not at home right now, but I'm majorly curious about the verse and its location. The fact that it even exists irrationally irritates me. That it's not advertised that's it's on there irritates me even more. ) |
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Post by lilacgal on Apr 19, 2017 11:44:32 GMT
Just a quick note - with all this drama, I was curious about the misti. I hadn't really paid too much attention to it. After seeing some videos, I want the tonic platform now. Thanks, Peas.
Anyway, it does say in the notes section of each of the platform sizes, "Each MISTI contains: As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another as good stewards of God's varied grace. 1 Peter 4:10" So, she is now mentioning on her site that it does contain the Bible verse.
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Post by Peamac on Apr 19, 2017 14:19:55 GMT
I don't have a problem with them making a living off of that, for the most part. It does seem strange that one would put a verse on the MISTI, and I'm assuming it's not advertised as having a verse on it? It's one thing to choose to buy an item with a verse on it, but another thing to buy something and then find out when it arrives that there's a verse on it. I've not seen one in person- gale w , what verse is it? Can you cover it with washi tape? Peamac- You are correct. This is my hot headed thing is people forcing religion views or testimony on others. I think that is so morally wrong. I will listen to you all day talk about religion just don't force it on me or sneak it on me. I am not trying to be mean to my Christian girls over here. I love theology and the history of religion. I can go to WalMart and buy T-shirts with religious sayings on it but I can see them before purchasing. I have not seen one example of her religious saying on the Misti from her site or any of the other retailers who sell it. All I have ever seen is picture of a pink and black tool. If I ordered one and then received it with a religious message on it I would have been FURIOUS! I would have demanded my money back. I totally understand! I wouldn't be happy if I ordered something and it showed up with a quote from some other religion's holy book. Like you said, you can't tell by looking at it online that there's a verse on it so people have no idea! lilacgal- was that in the description before? Although if she says it "contains" that verse, I'd assume that means there's a little slip of paper included in the box with the verse printed on it, not that the verse is etched into the tool itself- big difference! |
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Post by lilacgal on Apr 19, 2017 14:34:56 GMT
lilacgal - was that in the description before? Although if she says it "contains" that verse, I'd assume that means there's a little slip of paper included in the box with the verse printed on it, not that the verse is etched into the tool itself- big difference! , I have no idea. Like I said, I was just curious and went to see what it was. I primarily stamp on my scrapbook pages which is why I never likely paid much attention to this product. I'd read about people being surprised by the verse and noticed she was now advertising that the misti "contains" it. I don't know when she added this information. I visited her site for the first time a few days ago. While I personally don't mind that verse, I can see how people would. I was surprised to see a reference to a Bible verse on my milkshake once. It didn't bother me - was just surprised. I know most companies don't want to alienate potential customers with religion. I don't expect my crafting tools (or milkshakes) to be preaching to me. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 19, 2017 15:54:11 GMT
Thanks to everyone who chimed in and explained My "sweet" Petunia's Bible-thumping and Christian facade. Clearly, that's a rabbit hole I still need to explore. I didn't realise she had such a me-good-Christ-follower attitude as a business owner. I also hadn't read about the Bible verse on (with?) the Misti until this thread. Gosh, what a mess. Can anyone upload a quick photo of the Bible verse that comes with the Misti? It's my understanding it's actually on the product. I'd love a confirmation from a Misti owner. Is there any news regarding Tonic Studios? It looks like we're beyond the cease & desist stage and that they're actually close to being sued. The platform is still not available in France. Someone on YouTube mentioned they'd already bought it in the UK but I can't find it yet.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 16:42:31 GMT
Thanks to everyone who chimed in and explained My "sweet" Petunia's Bible-thumping and Christian facade. Clearly, that's a rabbit hole I still need to explore. I didn't realise she had such a me-good-Christ-follower attitude as a business owner. I also hadn't read about the Bible verse on (with?) the Misti until this thread. Gosh, what a mess. Can anyone upload a quick photo of the Bible verse that comes with the Misti? It's my understanding it's actually on the product. I'd love a confirmation from a Misti owner. Is there any news regarding Tonic Studios? It looks like we're beyond the cease & desist stage and that they're actually close to being sued. The platform is still not available in France. Someone on YouTube mentioned they'd already bought it in the UK but I can't find it yet. I recently saw that it sold out on a UK site. Some home shopping tv show had it in stock. I don't own a misti (and never will) but if you google images you can see the verse is right on the bottom platform. It is covered up by the foam insert unless you are using unmounted rubber stamps. Appropriate Meme on Pinterest |
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This is my hot headed thing is people forcing religion views or testimony on others. I think that is so morally wrong. I will listen to you all day talk about religion just don't force it on me or sneak it on me. I am not trying to be mean to my Christian girls over here. I love theology and the history of religion. I can go to WalMart and buy T-shirts with religious sayings on it but I can see them before purchasing. I have not seen one example of her religious saying on the Misti from her site or any of the other retailers who sell it. All I have ever seen is picture of a pink and black tool. If I ordered one and then received it with a religious message on it I would have been FURIOUS! I would have demanded my money back. 
