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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 22:53:40 GMT
ISIS has executed American journalist James Wright Foley in response to US airstrikes against them in Iraq, according to this NBC News article. They are threatening to kill another kidnapped journalist if we continue airstrikes. Foley was taken at gunpoint in Syria in 2012, Sotloff in 2013. How should we respond?
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Post by annabella on Aug 19, 2014 23:41:56 GMT
That's so sad, I can't believe it's not getting a lot of press. I mean he was in captivity for two years with no reminders in the news about him.
There's nothing Obama can do, American doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If they knew where he was being held they would send in the Navy Seals as they've done for other hostages.
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Post by annabella on Aug 19, 2014 23:49:59 GMT
I have an American friend whose heritage is Syrian and for the past year on facebook she has been posting updates on all the horrible things going on there. I wouldn't even been kept in the loop from my TV news if it wasn't for her. She posted a link to this article as a suggestion on how to get rid of ISIS.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 19, 2014 23:51:11 GMT
That's so sad, I can't believe it's not getting a lot of press. I mean he was in captivity for two years with no reminders in the news about him. There's nothing Obama can do, American doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If they knew where he was being held they would send in the Navy Seals as they've done for other hostages. It's getting a ton of press on CNN. I have it on in the background and it is getting a lot of attention. I am horrified. If I understood what they said, he was originally taken in Syria.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 20, 2014 1:00:42 GMT
I don't think Annabella was talking of the execution - which is obviously being widely reported, but rather the lack of coverage of his captivity. My thoughts and prayers are with his family - particularly his brother, John. I hope that he does not see or hear the coverage of his final words.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 20, 2014 1:19:24 GMT
I don't think Annabella was talking of the execution - which is obviously being widely reported, but rather the lack of coverage of his captivity. My thoughts and prayers are with his family - particularly his brother, John. I hope that he does not see or hear the coverage of his final words. It is a conscious decision that captivity is not covered in the press. Hostage takers monitor foreign press. The more times a captive is mentioned in the press, the higher the ransom demand for that person. Law enforcement officials know this and ask families, etc. not to talk with or share info with the press. That is why you very rarely hear the names of American being held hostage in other countries.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 20, 2014 1:21:38 GMT
I don't think Annabella was talking of the execution - which is obviously being widely reported, but rather the lack of coverage of his captivity. My thoughts and prayers are with his family - particularly his brother, John. I hope that he does not see or hear the coverage of his final words. Ahhhh...you are probably right! Sorry annabella if I misunderstood!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 20, 2014 1:39:36 GMT
This is an old article (2013) about the rash of kidnappings of journalists in Syria. It mentions, Foley, which is how I found it, but it talks about the situation, the publicity (or lack thereof) etc. I thought others would find it interesting.... Atlantic - Epidemic of Journalist Kidnappings
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 1:45:56 GMT
That's so sad, I can't believe it's not getting a lot of press. I mean he was in captivity for two years with no reminders in the news about him. There's nothing Obama can do, American doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If they knew where he was being held they would send in the Navy Seals as they've done for other hostages. (Bolding is mine.) That's not exactly true. This administration negotiated with terrorists to get Bergdahl released. It truly is beyond horrific and my heart goes out to Foley's family. L
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 20, 2014 1:59:42 GMT
Honestly, I had no idea journalists were being held until today. My heart breaks for the journalist and his family. And I'm sure the family of the other journalist are worried sick. I don't want to get into the politics of this right now. I just get past the pain his family must be feeling.
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Post by straggler on Aug 20, 2014 2:23:10 GMT
Awful, just awful! So sorry for the family!
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 20, 2014 3:54:44 GMT
I didn't know or I forgot about him which is sad. I am very sorry for his family and their loss and the horrific way their loved one was murdered for show.
That said, journalists are not trained in combat and are at risk when they are in volatile areas. While I think these stories need to be told, I'm not sure it is worth it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 20, 2014 4:21:00 GMT
I didn't know or I forgot about him which is sad. I am very sorry for his family and their loss and the horrific way their loved one was murdered for show. That said, journalists are not trained in combat and are at risk when they are in volatile areas. While I think these stories need to be told, I'm not sure it is worth it. Oh I so disagree! While I'll certainly acknowledge that if it was my loved one, it would be so, so hard to think that it's worth it. But for the world as a whole, it's so vitally important that some people are willing to put their life on the line so that we know the true story. Otherwise, we are relying on hearsay and more often propaganda to know the truth. Syria is facing a humanitarian crisis that is unprecedented since WWII. So often in history, I think the outcome would be very, very different if it wasn't for the bravery of those who wanted to ensure that the true story was told.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 20, 2014 5:26:42 GMT
That's so sad, I can't believe it's not getting a lot of press. I mean he was in captivity for two years with no reminders in the news about him. There's nothing Obama can do, American doesn't negotiate with terrorists. If they knew where he was being held they would send in the Navy Seals as they've done for other hostages. Actually Obama has negotiated with Terrorists. Would he send in Special Forces if he knew where they held him? I'm not entirely convinced he would.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 20, 2014 12:19:10 GMT
Obama isn't the only President who's negotiated in the past...Reagan and Carter come to mind, as well. And I'm pretty sure Obama would have sent in forces to have retrieved hostages; it's been done time and again during several presidencies.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 20, 2014 12:31:19 GMT
I sincerely hope that a large bomb lands on this steaming piece of dung in the near future.
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Post by scrappert on Aug 20, 2014 12:49:32 GMT
Very sad for the family. What a horrible way to lose your child. My thoughts go out to them.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 20, 2014 12:56:05 GMT
Awful. IIRC, one of our local journalists went missing at around about the same time as Mr Foley. His name was Anton Hammerl. He was killed and I doubt the family ever received news on where his remains were interred, if they ever were. The world is just nuts.
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Post by shevy on Aug 20, 2014 13:46:54 GMT
The still photos that the media keeps showing are horrific. Mr Foley kneeling with his eyes closed as if he is just waiting for it to happen.
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Post by annabella on Aug 20, 2014 13:58:52 GMT
I think the administration had planned on releasing those prisoners from Guantanamo Bay, after all Obama is trying to close it. So they thought let's make them a bargaining chip.
From Darcy's article: This is something I never thought of, kidnapping sure have evolved with time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 14:14:41 GMT
I know there is a video of the execution; I personally can't wrap my mind around why someone would watch it, although clearly some can and do. Even if I were made of that tough stuff, I wouldn't in this case. It's exactly what ISIS wants to happen: watch and fear.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Aug 20, 2014 14:16:16 GMT
I didn't know or I forgot about him which is sad. I am very sorry for his family and their loss and the horrific way their loved one was murdered for show. That said, journalists are not trained in combat and are at risk when they are in volatile areas. While I think these stories need to be told, I'm not sure it is worth it. Actually reporters do have some international protection. Or are supposed too. Here
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Post by annabella on Aug 20, 2014 14:20:36 GMT
If they're not freelance and are sponsored by a big news media then yes they have hostage insurance.
I read a book by a women who was held hostage in Somalia and she said her captors all had smartphones but no one was getting phone calls, they spent 8 hours a day watching terrorist propaganda and videos of people being killed.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 20, 2014 14:25:22 GMT
This is an old article (2013) about the rash of kidnappings of journalists in Syria. It mentions, Foley, which is how I found it, but it talks about the situation, the publicity (or lack thereof) etc. I thought others would find it interesting.... Atlantic - Epidemic of Journalist KidnappingsThanks for that link. I had no idea so many were being held captive. When I read the story of the execution this morning I was so angry ... and so sad.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 20, 2014 15:16:49 GMT
Obama isn't the only President who's negotiated in the past...Reagan and Carter come to mind, as well. And I'm pretty sure Obama would have sent in forces to have retrieved hostages; it's been done time and again during several presidencies. I didn't say Obama was the only president who has negotiated with terrorists. I simply was responding to Annabella's claim that the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists and the recent exchange made by Obama came to mind... he exchanged 5 terrorists for a one US Soldier. We currently have a US Marine trapped in Mexico and Obama hasn't sent troops in that we know of to bring him home. There's also an American pastor locked up in prison in Iran simply for being a Christian. He is currently locked up with ISIS terrorists who hate Christians. The President has been silent regarding Pastor Saeed Abedini's imprisonment. These two men come to mind and make me question whether we would send in Special Forces to rescue US captives.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 15:27:34 GMT
I know there is a video of the execution; I personally can't wrap my mind around why someone would watch it, although clearly some can and do. Even if I were made of that tough stuff, I wouldn't in this case. It's exactly what ISIS wants to happen: watch and fear. Watching it in the UK may lead to criminal charges, according to NBC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 16:24:56 GMT
I know there is a video of the execution; I personally can't wrap my mind around why someone would watch it, although clearly some can and do. Even if I were made of that tough stuff, I wouldn't in this case. It's exactly what ISIS wants to happen: watch and fear. Watching it in the UK may lead to criminal charges, according to NBC. That statement made by the UK's Anti Terrorist Unit doesn't only apply to THIS video it applies to any terrorist material out there. The bolded part of this statement is the key to that statement "We would like to remind the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating extremist material within the U.K. may constitute an offence under terrorism legislation."
It's part of our Anti Terrorist Laws. No different than the law that says it's illegal to download and share child pornography/paedophile material. The very reason behind this law is that the internet is such an easy way to influence/radicalize others and has been proved time and time again when terrorists have been arrested and charged under the anti terrorist laws. That, in this day and age is what makes fighting terrorist so difficult for authorities. It's so easy to target, recruit and "brain wash"their potential followers through social media. You can bet your bottom dollar that if you were arrested for suspected terrorist activities and they found your computer full of terrorist propaganda, atrocious and sickening videos such as this one, it wouldn't help your defence one little bit. It's a sick and barbaric act they've committed and it makes it all the more sickening( if that is possible) that the voice on that video is alleged to have a British accent. The thought that someone who has been brought up on British/Western values could possibly sink to this depravity is truly sickening. I don't have strong enough words to describe how I feel about this. My thought and prayers go out to family of James Foley.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 20, 2014 16:33:31 GMT
That statement made by the UK's Anti Terrorist Unit doesn't only apply to THIS video it applies to any terrorist material out there. The bolded part of this statement is the key to that statement "We would like to remind the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating extremist material within the U.K. may constitute an offence under terrorism legislation."
It's part of our Anti Terrorist Laws. No different than the law that says it's illegal to download and share child pornography/paedophile material. The very reason behind this law is that the internet is such an easy way to influence/radicalize others and has been proved time and time again when terrorists have been arrested and charged under the anti terrorist laws. That, in this day and age is what makes fighting terrorist so difficult for authorities. It's so easy to target, recruit and "brain wash"their potential followers through social media. You can bet your bottom dollar that if you were arrested for suspected terrorist activities and they found your computer full of terrorist propaganda, atrocious and sickening videos such as this one, it wouldn't help your defence one little bit. It's a sick and barbaric act they've committed and it makes it all the more sickening( if that is possible) that the voice on that video is alleged to have a British accent. The thought that someone who has been brought up on British/Western values could possibly sink to this depravity is truly sickening. I don't have strong enough words to describe how I feel about this.My thought and prayers go out to family of James Foley. My feelings absolutely on this, I could not have said it better! My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of James Foley. I had been so hoping for them that the video wouldn't be proven authentic but I see the White House has now confirmed that it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 17:44:37 GMT
That statement made by the UK's Anti Terrorist Unit doesn't only apply to THIS video it applies to any terrorist material out there. The bolded part of this statement is the key to that statement "We would like to remind the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating extremist material within the U.K. may constitute an offence under terrorism legislation."
It's part of our Anti Terrorist Laws. No different than the law that says it's illegal to download and share child pornography/paedophile material. The very reason behind this law is that the internet is such an easy way to influence/radicalize others and has been proved time and time again when terrorists have been arrested and charged under the anti terrorist laws. That, in this day and age is what makes fighting terrorist so difficult for authorities. It's so easy to target, recruit and "brain wash"their potential followers through social media. You can bet your bottom dollar that if you were arrested for suspected terrorist activities and they found your computer full of terrorist propaganda, atrocious and sickening videos such as this one, it wouldn't help your defence one little bit. It's a sick and barbaric act they've committed and it makes it all the more sickening( if that is possible) that the voice on that video is alleged to have a British accent. The thought that someone who has been brought up on British/Western values could possibly sink to this depravity is truly sickening. I don't have strong enough words to describe how I feel about this.My thought and prayers go out to family of James Foley. My feelings absolutely on this, I could not have said it better! My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of James Foley. I had been so hoping for them that the video wouldn't be proven authentic but I see the White House has now confirmed that it is. I'm with you.
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Post by my2apps2 on Aug 20, 2014 18:22:17 GMT
I just cannot put into words the disgust I feel about the whole thing. This world sure is a broken, broken place.
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