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Post by ntsf on Apr 26, 2017 23:11:30 GMT
the media room.. gesr it to anyone (underline) who wants to use it to see sports, movies, whatever. then you will be upholding the spirit of the law and not just skirting it.. older people are progressive too.. and I think there are women sports fans too.. and some method to reserve the space for a specific watching event.. so if someone wants to watch tennis during the baseball game.. they have a chance too..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 23:22:54 GMT
I've liked a lot of the suggestions but this one is my favorite.
The Dugout is my favorite, too. Another idea... something with "Hall of Fame" in the name?
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 27, 2017 17:49:03 GMT
I hate the whole concept and it bugs me that you are creating a sports themed man space. Old school antiquated thinking.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 27, 2017 17:51:16 GMT
I hate the whole concept and it bugs me that you are creating a sports themed man space. Old school antiquated thinking. I'm sorry you feel this way.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 27, 2017 18:07:49 GMT
zookeeper is in the senior care industry, so I'm assuming she knows what kind of things their patrons will like and not like. All she's said is that they want to create a space where men will feel comfortable-- more comfortable, perhaps, than some of the different areas of the community that might get 'appropriated' by the women residents. And just because it's sports themed does NOT mean it's a "MAN" space. I'm guessing she used the phrase "man cave" to describe it in the first place only because we understand what she meant by it.
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Post by happymomma on Apr 27, 2017 18:23:57 GMT
The Cave
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Post by destined2bmom on Apr 27, 2017 18:29:04 GMT
I like the Lodge! I think both genders would like it as far as what it implies. When I think Lodge, I think hunting, fishing, camping, boating, and outdoor sports. That is something that both genders have done together; but usually guys do those types of activities together.
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Post by joelise on Apr 27, 2017 19:00:45 GMT
I like The Lodge and The Den. I know that my 82 year old dad would not be tempted to visit somewhere with a sports related name.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 27, 2017 19:28:16 GMT
Just a quick question on the back of this - is it intended to be mainly men or exclusively men? I ask not because I have deep rooted issues over this, but am wondering whether the facility intends to 'keep women out', just make it uncomfortable enough for them not to want to bother going in, assume that women don't like sports or just feel that there is too much general talk about knitting and baking in other areas for the poor guys to tolerate??!! What if some militant group of women decide they should be allowed to go and watch sports in the cave? This is a great question. This space will be a room for all to use....however it is designed for the things that interest men whether that is watching fishing, golf, bowling, documentaries on war, home rehab projects, etc. We are doing this because the women will pretty much take over all spaces with all things of female interest. The men get pushed aside by the pushy women. Trust me...it happens. This is the room where they are allowed to loud and rowdy if they want to or if they want to sequester away and play a game of chess. There will always be women (I am one of them) who love to hang out in the cave and watch sports or watch documentaries. I get along better with men then I do with women. Much less drama. Maybe we should just call it the "Drama Free Zone!" We also have a salon, coffee bar, library, game room, aerobics room, yoga room....so we have all of the bases covered. Yeah I get this. The retirement community where my parents lived was pretty much taken over by the ladies -- craft rooms, mahjongg, sewing centers, etc. When my mom passed away my dad stopped going to the clubhouse because there was no place he could just be with men, and he felt uncomfortable around the ladies because he wasn't interested in socializing with them. (And some can be pretty aggressive.) I think if there was a place for men only, he might have gone. He wasn't into sports, though. Maybe if it was called The Clubroom?
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 27, 2017 20:32:19 GMT
Thank you to all of the wonderful peas who have listened to me and helped with naming suggestions. As we continue to build and develop the clubhouse and the common areas, I will come back and ask for more suggestions.
I also have recommended that we install extra charging stations for phones, kindles, tablets, around the common area. We are truly working hard to develop a retirement community for the new baby boomer.
This is a retirement community...not an assisted living, nursing home or long term care facility. Do you see how some people have made the association that retirement community means medical care? This is why we try to find a title that differentiates a retirement community from a medical care facility. We do not discriminate against those individuals who have a disability and might use a wheelchair or a walker. They can choose to live on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th floor. It is discrimination for us to require that they live on the first floor. You would not believe the amount of negative comments we receive from seniors who do not use a walker/wheelchair about how we dare to "allow" them to live on a top floor. We must be awful people to allow someone with a disability to live where ever they want to. So you see....we are not ones who view disabled as less than.
As I said...this industry is ever changing and evolving. There are a myriad of legalities that we have to navigate. We are trying to add more amenities for people of both genders to use because so many retirement communities ignore the male gender and cater to the female gender. This is a case of we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 27, 2017 20:46:07 GMT
The industry is always changing and will continue to change. Retirement communities being built these days are adding more and more amenities than the standard amenities that have been offered in the past. Let me pose this question: If you were to move to a retirement community in the next 5 years...what would you be looking for? And for the record...I despise the label "retirement community". Many of us in the industry prefer "active adult community" but then you get into discrimination issues for a senior who has a disability. Truly....this industry is constantly evolving but we are still bound by fair housing laws. Here's the thing, Zoo. I see you are trying to offer things that will appeal to your demographic consumer. It's the way it is being framed that I am rankled by. I work in long term care with some of the most catastrophically disabled people alive and they are as active as anyone else. Your use of terms like "active adult community but then you get into discrimination issues for a senior with a disability" just sounds like your concern is about not being accused of discrimination instead of actually not discriminating. You see the difference? My son is a rec therapist and I work closely with the rec therapy program in our long term care. We have no women residents. The men's favorite things are Texas Hold'Em, trips to local sports events, outdoor concerts, computer access, trips to movies and barbecues and cooking activities. Those of you "in the industry" might need to make yourselves aware that your efforts to avoid accusations of discrimination just scream potential for discrimination to me. I could move into a long term care/retirement/assisted living community right now because of my age and I hope that while you are in this field you will seriously look at how you can reframe your descriptions of what you are trying to do. Just that idea that 'women take over' is sexist in my opinion. Women outlive men and are much more likely to be in a senior living setting in the first place. I'm not trying to be harsh, but I am trying to express that these terms and expressions are just not going to work much longer in the field. Your desire to appeal to men in a senior age group right now means you are talking about men raised in the 40's and early 50's for the most part. They were young people in the civil rights era. They were young during the Vietnam war, and the race to space and the peace movements. They were middle aged in the age of computers. If you want to appeal to people who like sports, have a big screen TV. If you want to appeal to people who like technology, have a computer room. If you want to appeal to people who like to cook, have a well outfitted kitchen. If men don't feel they can participate because there are too many women, then sponsor activities that are more likely to appeal to them. But setting up a room just for men who like sports so they can sit around and do manly things seems a bit narrow.
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Post by malibou on Apr 27, 2017 21:12:44 GMT
I like The Lodge. Maybe you could host pancake breakfasts in there.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 27, 2017 21:23:43 GMT
We have more tv's than I can count for everybody to have a place to watch something different, we will have 4 computers for use in the common area and we cannot have a kitchen with a stove because of fire code.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 27, 2017 21:25:01 GMT
And we will have a full calendar of activities for both genders.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 23:28:34 GMT
The Locker Room Winners' Circle Legends Lounge Overtime Legends Lounge! Yes...
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 27, 2017 23:35:57 GMT
I remember one being called The Gym. It was a man cave by design, but the guys just liked saying to their spouses they were going to The Gym.
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 28, 2017 0:28:55 GMT
I don't see a problem with having a "men's space" or a "women's space". Each one would have a different atmosphere, kind of like a computer space or a gardening space or the game room would have. It is only a problem if you don't allow men in the woman's space or women in the men's space and it doesn't sound like that is what the OP is saying. You don't like sports, burping and scratching don't go into the space designated for those activities. Easy Peasy.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 28, 2017 0:42:37 GMT
I've seen plenty of assisted living facilities and nursing homes and they are overwhelmingly "ruled" by the women. It just happens by default sometimes I think. If you look around most places, they are all very floral and have a lot of feminine touches to them - fine legged tables, Queen Anne chairs, etc. I think our aging population is really growing and there is a greater need for all types of assisted living facilities and nursing homes that cater to all types of seniors. My dad has always been an athlete, hunter, fisher, etc. He would LOVE a room like that when the time comes. He loves those war movies and westerns. If you could have cold beer on tap on the weekends, he'd be all over it. Men are also a lot more hesitant to "go to a home" than women are. I really think you have a great idea here that would really appeal to a lot of men and would be a great selling feature. I still like Legends Lounge or The Zone that I posted earlier. Legends may be my first choice because it doesn't mean JUST sports. It can mean military legends, sports legends, hunting, etc. It isn't limited to a team sport. "Hey Joe! Wanna meet up at Legends tonight for that WWII movie?" "Betty, I'm going down to Legends tonight for a game of cards with the fellas." SaveSave Interesting. I have worked with maybe 30 or 40 different Senior Living companies all over the country. I used to work for a company that did customer service training and helping these communities move from less of a "medical" approach and more of a hospitality approach. I heard the good the bad and the ugly from the community managers and employees. I can't recall hearing that women had taken over the place. When I first started I saw places decorated with the flowery wallpaper and Queen Anne chairs, but in the last few years there was much more a move to more modern looks, but taking into account the needs of people as we age. No chairs that were too low to the ground etc. The need for a place for men, or a no-drama zone, would not have been an issue at the communities we worked with. We worked with one company that had over 300 communities across the US and the decor varied based on location, but I think they kept the common areas gender neutral. I know their in-house decorator had worked at a big hotel chain. Maybe smaller communities have different gender issues.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 28, 2017 3:04:32 GMT
All I'm reading is most active adult communities in the past have catered more to activities that are liked predominantly by women. They are trying to seek a balance and have something that is usually more popular with men. Something with a sports slant. They don't want to exclude anyone, so the name man cave is out. I pick The Lodge.
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Post by scrappinwithoutpeas on Apr 28, 2017 3:25:13 GMT
I like "The Lodge". It's gender-neutral and doesn't sound exclusive to sports only.
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Post by Rachel on Apr 28, 2017 4:08:14 GMT
The Lodge is perfect!
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 28, 2017 12:27:39 GMT
I've seen plenty of assisted living facilities and nursing homes and they are overwhelmingly "ruled" by the women. It just happens by default sometimes I think. If you look around most places, they are all very floral and have a lot of feminine touches to them - fine legged tables, Queen Anne chairs, etc. I think our aging population is really growing and there is a greater need for all types of assisted living facilities and nursing homes that cater to all types of seniors. My dad has always been an athlete, hunter, fisher, etc. He would LOVE a room like that when the time comes. He loves those war movies and westerns. If you could have cold beer on tap on the weekends, he'd be all over it. Men are also a lot more hesitant to "go to a home" than women are. I really think you have a great idea here that would really appeal to a lot of men and would be a great selling feature. I still like Legends Lounge or The Zone that I posted earlier. Legends may be my first choice because it doesn't mean JUST sports. It can mean military legends, sports legends, hunting, etc. It isn't limited to a team sport. "Hey Joe! Wanna meet up at Legends tonight for that WWII movie?" "Betty, I'm going down to Legends tonight for a game of cards with the fellas." SaveSave Interesting. I have worked with maybe 30 or 40 different Senior Living companies all over the country. I used to work for a company that did customer service training and helping these communities move from less of a "medical" approach and more of a hospitality approach. I heard the good the bad and the ugly from the community managers and employees. I can't recall hearing that women had taken over the place. When I first started I saw places decorated with the flowery wallpaper and Queen Anne chairs, but in the last few years there was much more a move to more modern looks, but taking into account the needs of people as we age. No chairs that were too low to the ground etc. The need for a place for men, or a no-drama zone, would not have been an issue at the communities we worked with. We worked with one company that had over 300 communities across the US and the decor varied based on location, but I think they kept the common areas gender neutral. I know their in-house decorator had worked at a big hotel chain. Maybe smaller communities have different gender issues. I suspect if you work in a place you hear things from a different perspective than those living there. Granted, I only have limited experience with family members in three states, two regions. FIL is in a large, upscale community, while the others are in more moderate but nice places. By sheer numbers women take over. I'm surprised there isn't professional discussion about this. zookeeper never said women wouldn't be allowed. She was talking about supplying a space with a different aesthetic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 15:51:49 GMT
I would like to live in a place that had a daycare center I could volunteer in And a mixed center where people can drop off their parents and older kids. Hmmm that's an interesting idea. Have you thought about offering a great place for the grandkids? I'm thinking how much the residents would enjoy their grandkids begging to go visit Nonnie and Poppy. I'm loving this idea.
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Post by Fidget on Apr 28, 2017 16:32:30 GMT
I like a combo of what some of the other peas have already come with
Legends Locker Room!
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Post by River on Apr 28, 2017 18:26:18 GMT
Just throwing my vote in for "The Lodge".
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Post by drummergirl65 on Apr 28, 2017 22:01:39 GMT
The industry is always changing and will continue to change. Retirement communities being built these days are adding more and more amenities than the standard amenities that have been offered in the past. Let me pose this question: If you were to move to a retirement community in the next 5 years...what would you be looking for? And for the record...I despise the label "retirement community". Many of us in the industry prefer "active adult community" but then you get into discrimination issues for a senior who has a disability. Truly....this industry is constantly evolving but we are still bound by fair housing laws. A list of the things that we offer: Salon Sports room Game room Craft room theater with 120 inch tv aerobics room with classes yoga room with classes weight room putting green pool walking/jogging trails great room with 30 foot fireplace/tables for hanging out coffee bar cocktail bar for parties library Is there anything else that you would want to see? Yes! What about a music studio of sorts? I know a lot of musicians who are now retiring. They still play their instruments. Not everyone wants to play the dusty old piano forgotten in a corner. (I used to work in a retirement community) Rock on!
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Apr 29, 2017 0:39:59 GMT
The industry is always changing and will continue to change. Retirement communities being built these days are adding more and more amenities than the standard amenities that have been offered in the past. Let me pose this question: If you were to move to a retirement community in the next 5 years...what would you be looking for? And for the record...I despise the label "retirement community". Many of us in the industry prefer "active adult community" but then you get into discrimination issues for a senior who has a disability. Truly....this industry is constantly evolving but we are still bound by fair housing laws. A list of the things that we offer: Salon Sports room Game room Craft room theater with 120 inch tv aerobics room with classes yoga room with classes weight room putting green pool walking/jogging trails great room with 30 foot fireplace/tables for hanging out coffee bar cocktail bar for parties library Is there anything else that you would want to see? Yes! What about a music studio of sorts? I know a lot of musicians who are now retiring. They still play their instruments. Not everyone wants to play the dusty old piano forgotten in a corner. (I used to work in a retirement community) Rock on! Yes this! A music room was what I was going to suggest. And I like "The Lodge" best.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 29, 2017 1:17:58 GMT
Ohhhhhh....I love the idea of a music room!
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Post by jlynnbarth on Apr 29, 2017 5:56:52 GMT
I'm glad so many liked The Lodge. I thought it was a great idea for an area when my FIL moved into that community. The other thing I forgot to mention that they had was a shuffle board table. It was always occupied! For whatever reason the seniors love their shuffle board. Heck, my dh and his buddies that are mid 40's to 50's love shuffle board! I will say that while we scoped out places for my FIL (I think we went to everyone of them in our area) Most places did not have an area aimed at men. We too saw lots of floral arrangements and floral prints and feminine colors. Most of the men seemed to be gathered outside in the smoking areas at tables, even if they weren't smoking, and most of the women were inside in various rooms. I know that a masculine area would be something my dh would be looking for in a retirement community. He right now, is sitting in his Man Cave surrounded by his hunting and fishing photos and beer signs and ST. Louis Cardinals and Blues crap. It's his favorite spot in the house and outside his favorite spot is his brand new 24x30 shop we just had built. Men like their areas just as much as women like theirs. I think it's important to have spaces we can retreat to do our own thing.
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Post by maryland on Apr 29, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
It will be the space for the men to gather...sports memorabilia, tv's with the sports channel on it, masculine magazines, etc. We just can't use the word Man because it violates the gender portion of the federal Fair Housing laws. Gender is a protected class and if we use the word man, someone will get offended by it. The men in retirement communities are often forgotten about out. We have so many amenities geared towards women and the men get left out. I think it's great that you are remembering the men! They do sometimes get left out (if fact, one local nursing home has a commercial talking about "a place for mom". But they have both genders, so I don't know why they don't call it a place for mom and dad). I can't think of any ideas, but wanted to let you know that I think what you are doing is great! It sounds like your community will be a nice and welcoming place for everyone! My daughters volunteered at a nursing home and they try to involve both men and women in all activities from arts and crafts, to sporting events!
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