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Post by Olan on Jun 17, 2017 17:17:59 GMT
This isn't surprising but it should be. He was a cafeteria manager at a Montessori school with a registered weapon he was licensed to carry.
Jason Sole, president of the Minneapolis NAACP, called the outcome “more of the same.”
“How are you going to kill this guy and still say we have a fair system? How? Man, this behavior has gotta stop, and they can’t stop so they are going to continue to kill us,” Sole said outside the courthouse. “We haven’t progressed. … If you can kill me, with a baby in the back seat of a car, and get away with it, not guilty of any wrong doing? I can’t honor that system, and I won’t.”
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 17, 2017 17:26:26 GMT
It's total bullshit that there was no conviction. Castile did everything he was supposed to do, and he's dead. And if he were white, he would still be alive. I firmly believe that.
I'm a strong supporter of the police. My grandfather was a Chicago police officer. My uncle was, too. I have police officer friends. But this was so beyond the pale.
People of color should not have to live in fear for their lives when they are stopped by the police. If I get pulled over for a speeding ticket, I'm afraid I might not be let off with a warning and might get a ticket. I don't have to live in fear that I'll be killed.
It's so sad.
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Post by peano on Jun 17, 2017 17:29:02 GMT
I personally think that verdict is a travesty. I heard the cop was terminated.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 17, 2017 17:33:21 GMT
I personally think that verdict is a travesty. I heard the cop was terminated. I mean, he gets fired, but not convicted?? What was he fired for, then!? UGH. |
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Post by casii on Jun 17, 2017 17:49:58 GMT
As a pale, pasty white woman, I can't imagine how the family of this man or how a black person might feel, but my sense of justice isn't broken. This is totally wrong. I remember watching the girlfriend's video in horror (probably linked through here).
My youngest daughter is dating a black man and from the looks of it, they may get married down the road. I hate that both sides of the family have had to talk to them about how to deal with police when/if they are stopped or approached by police, but we have.
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 17, 2017 17:53:14 GMT
There really aren't words anymore. It's a travesty.
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Post by Olan on Jun 17, 2017 17:59:57 GMT
I personally think that verdict is a travesty. I heard the cop was terminated. They often are. The officer who killed Tamir Rice in Ohio was fired for lying on his application though the officer who killed Terence Crutcher got her job back. Not one piece of legislation or change in best practices to address the mistreatment of black people by police despite how frequent these killings have become. |
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Post by happymomma on Jun 17, 2017 18:00:44 GMT
I personally think that verdict is a travesty. I heard the cop was terminated. I mean, he gets fired, but not convicted?? What was he fired for, then!? UGH. According to this article: www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/police-shooting-trial-philando-castile.html?_r=0Despite the verdict, though, officials with the city of St. Anthony, where Officer Yanez has worked for several years, issued a statement late Friday saying that they had “concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city.” They said they planned to offer him a “voluntary separation agreement.” In the meantime, the city said, he will not be returning to patrol. I'd like to see an interview with the members of the jury. They must have had reasonable doubt and I would really like to know why. Mr. Castile did the right thing by informing the office that he was in possession of a gun. That is the first thing you are supposed to do when stopped. I wish the officer had been wearing a body camera. I wish he'd asked Mr. Castile to put his hands on the wheel. I wish so many things. Most of all, I wish this had never happened. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 17, 2017 18:07:12 GMT
I mean, he gets fired, but not convicted?? What was he fired for, then!? UGH. According to this article: www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/police-shooting-trial-philando-castile.html?_r=0Despite the verdict, though, officials with the city of St. Anthony, where Officer Yanez has worked for several years, issued a statement late Friday saying that they had “concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city.” They said they planned to offer him a “voluntary separation agreement.” In the meantime, the city said, he will not be returning to patrol. I'd like to see an interview with the members of the jury. They must have had reasonable doubt and I would really like to know why. Mr. Castile did the right thing by informing the office that he was in possession of a gun. That is the first thing you are supposed to do when stopped. I wish the officer had been wearing a body camera. I wish he'd asked Mr. Castile to put his hands on the wheel. I wish so many things. Most of all, I wish this had never happened. Castile was a passenger. Placing his hands on the wheel would have been impossible and though there was no body cam the mother of the 4 yr old child the officer almost shot began using the Facebook live feature shortly after the police officer shot into the car. |
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Post by happymomma on Jun 17, 2017 18:22:13 GMT
According to this article: www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/police-shooting-trial-philando-castile.html?_r=0Despite the verdict, though, officials with the city of St. Anthony, where Officer Yanez has worked for several years, issued a statement late Friday saying that they had “concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city.” They said they planned to offer him a “voluntary separation agreement.” In the meantime, the city said, he will not be returning to patrol. I'd like to see an interview with the members of the jury. They must have had reasonable doubt and I would really like to know why. Mr. Castile did the right thing by informing the office that he was in possession of a gun. That is the first thing you are supposed to do when stopped. I wish the officer had been wearing a body camera. I wish he'd asked Mr. Castile to put his hands on the wheel. I wish so many things. Most of all, I wish this had never happened. Castile was a passenger. Placing his hands on the wheel would have been impossible and though there was no body cam the mother of the 4 yr old child the officer almost shot began using the Facebook live feature shortly after the police officer shot into the car. Oh, the video I saw had Mr. Castile behind the wheel. They must have changed spots after he got shot? And yes, that was the video made by the female in the car. The officer is heard in the video saying, "I told him not to reach for it, I told him to get his hand (can't understand the next words.)" At any rate, I still wish all officers would be wearing body cams turned on from the time they approach the vehicle until the time they drive off. That way there would be no doubt as to what happened. I agree with your comment above that 'best practices' need to be evaluated and changed. |
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Post by Julie W on Jun 17, 2017 18:44:15 GMT
This is local to my community, and very very sad. There were demonstrations last night including a group shutting down I-94. Per a previous comment, one of the jurors granted an interview. |
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Post by busy on Jun 17, 2017 18:55:30 GMT
Just a godawful miscarriage of justice. Disgusting.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 17, 2017 18:59:01 GMT
This is local to my community, and very very sad. There were demonstrations last night including a group shutting down I-94. Per a previous comment, one of the jurors granted an interview. Thanks for posting the interview, it does give some insight as to why they voted the way they did. It is very very sad. |
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 17, 2017 19:00:48 GMT
I generally trust juries, but this was not a just verdict.
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Post by likescarrots on Jun 17, 2017 19:53:56 GMT
I'm truly heartbroken that justice will not be served for this man and his family.
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Post by janeliz on Jun 17, 2017 23:23:02 GMT
This is not justice. I'm so disgusted.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 17, 2017 23:27:34 GMT
There is of course more to the story. Read what the jury member said. They were following the black and white rules of the law. That needs to change more then anything.
Castile WAS the driver. He should have put his hands on the steering wheel. It's just a sad situation, and things need to change.
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Post by pyccku on Jun 18, 2017 0:12:08 GMT
Where is the NRA in this case? Why are they not loudly proclaiming that Mr. Castile had the right to legally carry? I haven't heard anything at all from them, unless they've been super quiet about their support.
There must be some reason why they aren't supporting him publicall, but I can't quite put my finger on it...
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Post by ntsf on Jun 18, 2017 0:29:06 GMT
maybe all cops could be assigned be taught something by minority students in their local towns.. so they would see them as people not automatic threats. I don't know any other way to educate this crowd or change the narrative.. then all cops could be trained to slow down and de escalate situations.. and not pull the gun out so fast.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 18, 2017 0:31:59 GMT
Where is the NRA in this case? Why are they not loudly proclaiming that Mr. Castile had the right to legally carry? I haven't heard anything at all from them, unless they've been super quiet about their support. There must be some reason why they aren't supporting him publicall, but I can't quite put my finger on it... He did have the right to carry legally. He informed the officer that he had a gun, as he is supposed to. According to the juror in the interview, the officer told him three times to stop reaching and Mr. Castile continued to reach, though I am not sure if there is proof of that or if that's just what the officer said happened. |
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 18, 2017 1:37:44 GMT
Such a sad case. There is no way Castile should have ended up dead as a result of the traffic stop.
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Post by Olan on Jun 18, 2017 10:43:32 GMT
There is of course more to the story. Read what the jury member said. They were following the black and white rules of the law. That needs to change more then anything. Castile WAS the driver. He should have put his hands on the steering wheel. It's just a sad situation, and things need to change. I may be wrong about him being the passenger. Early in the case I remember wondering why he wasn't driving and found an article that said he had been pulled over at least 2 dozen times during his driving career and as a result was fearful of driving and being pulled over by police. When a black man is murdered there is always one thing he could have done to avoid being killed according to some people. Do you really think with the high number of black men murdered with no justice that black men are going around acting Willy Nilly during traffic stops? We know so much is at stake so these interactions are literally life or death situations. A four year old child could have died as a result of him shooting into that car so when someone talks about what could have been done differently on the victims side I think it's both disgusting and disheartening. |
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 18, 2017 11:31:21 GMT
I can't believe officer Yanez wasn't convicted at least on the reckless discharge. It's miraculous he didn't kill the child in the back seat.
There is no way this officer would have shot me, a middle aged white woman, in the same scenario.
I'm so disheartened.
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Post by dulcemama on Jun 18, 2017 13:04:33 GMT
He did have the right to carry legally. He informed the officer that he had a gun, as he is supposed to. According to the juror in the interview, the officer told him three times to stop reaching and Mr. Castile continued to reach, though I am not sure if there is proof of that or if that's just what the officer said happened. Well, of coarse, the problem is that only the officer is alive to tell his side of the story. I am so disheartened by the way this verdict came out. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 18, 2017 14:02:26 GMT
He did have the right to carry legally. He informed the officer that he had a gun, as he is supposed to. According to the juror in the interview, the officer told him three times to stop reaching and Mr. Castile continued to reach, though I am not sure if there is proof of that or if that's just what the officer said happened. Well, of coarse, the problem is that only the officer is alive to tell his side of the story. I am so disheartened by the way this verdict came out. Well, his girlfriend is also alive and shot video of the immediate aftermath. But apparently the jury didn't believe her. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 18, 2017 18:39:50 GMT
Well, his girlfriend is also alive and shot video of the immediate aftermath. But apparently the jury didn't believe her. I don't think the verdict had anything to do with believing her or not. I think it came down to a law on if the police officer fearer for his life or felt in immediate danger. His camera showed that he was. So did Diamonds with her FB video. The police officer should have never fired in to that car though, esp with other people inside. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 18, 2017 20:57:11 GMT
Well, his girlfriend is also alive and shot video of the immediate aftermath. But apparently the jury didn't believe her. I don't think the verdict had anything to do with believing her or not. I think it came down to a law on if the police officer fearer for his life or felt in immediate danger. His camera showed that he was. So did Diamonds with her FB video. The police officer should have never fired in to that car though, esp with other people inside. while I agree with you, what if he had been reaching for gun? In addition to the senseless killings of aa men, there has also been an upswing in reported violence on cops. More than one officer has been shot and killed at a traffic stop. I also think telling the officer that you have a gun in your car freaks some officers out. It is what a responsible gun owner dies and is what this man did and should have done, but it may have put the cop on edge. I know dh got pulled over coming back from hinting and told the cop who pulled him over about it and the cop started acting erratically and finally had my dh out of the car with a gun on him until another officer arrived. Perhaps officers need more training about how to react to a legally owned gun in the car. Eta: I think regulations regarding deadly force need yo be looked at and taught yearly. Castile should not be dead. |
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Post by delilahtwo on Jun 19, 2017 1:24:54 GMT
Racism and the 2nd amendment are to blame. Racism has been discussed. The right to bear arms also plays a part here. Police always have to assume that people are armed and dangerous, unfortunately they assume that more when they stop a black person. If police could assume that people WEREN'T armed, it would be a different story.
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Post by Olan on Jun 21, 2017 11:07:12 GMT
As a pale, pasty white woman, I can't imagine how the family of this man or how a black person might feel, but my sense of justice isn't broken. This is totally wrong. I remember watching the girlfriend's video in horror (probably linked through here). My youngest daughter is dating a black man and from the looks of it, they may get married down the road. I hate that both sides of the family have had to talk to them about how to deal with police when/if they are stopped or approached by police, but we have. I started that thread too. Your response is similar. I sent you a pea mail regarding the tickets to the Smithsonian a couple of weeks ago. |
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