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Post by Tamhugh on Jun 22, 2017 14:29:09 GMT
I was never taught to keep my hands on the wheel if approached by a police officer. My children were never taught this by their driving instructors or by my DH or myself. I think I am fortunate enough to have lived in a little bubble where this was not necessary. I feel heartbroken for Mr. Castile's family.
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Post by lbp on Jun 22, 2017 14:46:13 GMT
I am so glad I am not a law enforcement officer. I can't imagine having to make split second calls like that. I am sorry for everyone involved in this.
When I took my concealed carry class we were told to keep our hands on top of the steering wheel where the office can see them. When the officer asks for license and registration, tell them where they are and that you are going to retrieve them. Also if you have a concealed weapon in the car, hand you cc permit to the officer with your driving permit and registration. |
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 22, 2017 14:54:22 GMT
Community members need to organize training on this because knowledge saves lives. why can't 'how to handle being pulled over' be part of a driver's training course - and in the study books (for states without mandatory drivers training ) it could be on the test and even tested during the driving portion maybe it would keep both drivers and officers safer gina |
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Post by delilahtwo on Jun 22, 2017 15:00:17 GMT
I can't believe how many people here are defending the police officer and saying the victim did something wrong here. It really comes down to race, if Philando had been white, this would not have happened, end of story.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 22, 2017 15:00:44 GMT
Community members need to organize training on this because knowledge saves lives. why can't 'how to handle being pulled over' be part of a driver's training course - and in the study books (for states without mandatory drivers training ) it could be on the test and even tested during the driving portion maybe it would keep both drivers and officers safer gina It really doesn't matter what the rules are if officers respond differently to people of color. I think the training needs to happen on the side of the police force, not necessarily on the side of drivers (though I'm not opposed to this idea at all). |
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 22, 2017 15:07:41 GMT
why can't 'how to handle being pulled over' be part of a driver's training course - and in the study books (for states without mandatory drivers training ) it could be on the test and even tested during the driving portion maybe it would keep both drivers and officers safer gina It really doesn't matter what the rules are if officers respond differently to people of color. I think the training needs to happen on the side of the police force, not necessarily on the side of drivers (though I'm not opposed to this idea at all). not disputing that fact but more education can't hurt my kids had no idea how to handle being pulled over - my youngest is pulled over ALL THE TIME (big fat tires - loud muffler - really dark tint - and a penchant for speed) he only knew about being approached by a cop from what he saw on tv i realize that he doesn't face the inherent danger than someone else might - but he was still woefully unprepared |
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 22, 2017 15:09:02 GMT
The dash cam video made me sick to my stomach. There was no time to respond, because that person had no control of himself and shot Castile so quick. I could not And am still in disbelief of how quickly that person fired his gun. It was murder plain and simple.
The person pulled over a family in a damn, boring white sedan. A family!! The asshole didn't see a family. He saw the color of their skin. Where was the concern for the 4 year old in the back seat. It's a freaking miracle she wasn't shot, too.
Seeing her stumble out of the car tore my heart apart. And then they have the nerve to handcuff her mother instead of allowing the mom to comfort her daughter? Had that been a white mother and child, they would have escorted them to the grassy area and allowed mom to comfort the child.
I hope they sue for the mental trauma of that baby girl. She is going to need therapy to work through that.
Watch the dash cam video.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 22, 2017 15:12:41 GMT
It really doesn't matter what the rules are if officers respond differently to people of color. I think the training needs to happen on the side of the police force, not necessarily on the side of drivers (though I'm not opposed to this idea at all). not disputing that fact but more education can't hurt my kids had no idea how to handle being pulled over - my youngest is pulled over ALL THE TIME (big fat tires - loud muffler - really dark tint - and a penchant for speed) he only knew about being approached by a cop from what he saw on tv i realize that he doesn't face the inherent danger than someone else might - but he was still woefully unprepared The thing is that people of color have to have "the talk" with their children/teens. The talk is not about sex. The talk is about how to behave in front of police officers so that they are not shot. White people do not have to have this talk. It is a reality. Now, I know we're gonna get a bunch of hot takes on here from white moms claiming they DO have this talk. But the fact is that if white moms didn't have this talk, the chances of their children (especially sons) being arrested for something like resisting arrest, or god forbid, victims of police violence are slim to none. It is not the same. Do not try to make it the same. |
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 22, 2017 15:16:00 GMT
not disputing that fact but more education can't hurt my kids had no idea how to handle being pulled over - my youngest is pulled over ALL THE TIME (big fat tires - loud muffler - really dark tint - and a penchant for speed) he only knew about being approached by a cop from what he saw on tv i realize that he doesn't face the inherent danger than someone else might - but he was still woefully unprepared The thing is that people of color have to have "the talk" with their children/teens. The talk is not about sex. The talk is about how to behave in front of police officers so that they are not shot. White people do not have to have this talk. It is a reality. Now, I know we're gonna get a bunch of hot takes on here from white moms claiming they DO have this talk. But the fact is that if white moms didn't have this talk, the chances of their children (especially sons) being arrested for something like resisting arrest, or god forbid, victims of police violence are slim to none. It is not the same. Do not try to make it the same. why are you being so aggressive - i never said it was the same i didn't tell my sons because it never crossed my mind - i said that up there i never said i worried my son would be shot or killed or pulled over for his race again - i never said it was the same i said my kid didn't know what to do BECAUSE i never told him i never had that talk |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 22, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
The thing is that people of color have to have "the talk" with their children/teens. The talk is not about sex. The talk is about how to behave in front of police officers so that they are not shot. White people do not have to have this talk. It is a reality. Now, I know we're gonna get a bunch of hot takes on here from white moms claiming they DO have this talk. But the fact is that if white moms didn't have this talk, the chances of their children (especially sons) being arrested for something like resisting arrest, or god forbid, victims of police violence are slim to none. It is not the same. Do not try to make it the same. why are you being so aggressive - i never said it was the same i didn't tell my sons because it never crossed my mind - i said that up there i never said i worried my son would be shot or killed or pulled over for his race again - i never said it was the same i said my kid didn't know what to do BECAUSE i never told him i never had that talk I don't think I'm being aggressive. I'm not necessarily addressing YOU specifically. I'm just saying most white people don't realize that people of color have to deal differently with what we assume is a routine part of life. Don't take it personally. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 22, 2017 16:05:33 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 23, 2017 1:21:00 GMT
Have you even seen the video. Yes, yes, that is the general gist of what happened. The officer asked for ID, as he was reaching for it mentioned the "firearm" in a non threatening way, using the correct terminology. The officer started screaming not to reach for it, he said he wasn't and BEFORE he could even stop reaching for the ID he was asked for he was shot! The officer didn't even give him a chance to to stop. He screamed, dont reach for it, he and the girlfriend said he's not and he was dead. He did not make a move until the officer asked him to. He was FULLY trained in how to react when pulled and did everything correctly. You were actually answering a post that said that. Someone criticized him for NOT having his cards ready when the officer approached the window and they were told he wasn't supposed to. He was supposed wait until asked, which is what he did. And he's still dead. You shouldn't be sad he died in this way, you should be furious. He didn't need a workshop! He followed protocol. It was the officer who did not. This is not true. He wasn't reaching as he was telling. The dash cam also does not show that. Nor does the after streamed video, as he is already shot. You are speculating. |
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Post by katybee on Jun 23, 2017 1:43:16 GMT
Here's my question...why would someone planning on shooting a cop (with his 4 year old daughter in the car) calmly, and very politely inform the cop he had a gun?
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Post by annabella on Jun 23, 2017 2:29:11 GMT
Trevor said Castile said the gun was in his glove box but the transcript doesn't support that. m.startribune.com/castile-shooting-timeline/429678313/ I think the cop shot way too fast and why 7 times? I'm curious though, do police wear sound recordings devices? Where is the audio coming from for the transcript? He's standing too far from his car for the sound to pick up on the dash board camera. The police officers in Seattle were inside the woman's apt. and had transcripts too. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 23, 2017 2:31:22 GMT
Not that it matters, but the little girl in the car was not his daughter.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Jun 23, 2017 2:46:13 GMT
why would someone planning on shooting a cop (with his 4 year old daughter in the car) calmly, and very politely inform the cop he had a gun? you would be surprised by the things people do despite the fact there are other innocent lives in the vehicle, in the home, etc. Its quite maddening |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2017 4:30:34 GMT
Not that it matters, but the little girl in the car was not his daughter. Then why even mention it? Does it somehow make this shooting less horrific? Oh, wait. You don't think it's horrific to begin with. You've wasted a lot of energy justifying the fact that Philando Castile was murdered by this coward with a badge. |
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Post by glory77 on Jun 23, 2017 6:38:11 GMT
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the video that Philando's girlfriend posted on Facebook well before the shooting. They are both smoking pot, driving while high, music playing with the f word, she repeatedly says the f word while taking crotch shot video of herself and all of this while her daughter is in the back seat.
No, of course NONE of that means that he deserved to die, but it does show their lack of common sense with her daughter in the car and it tells me a lot about their character.
If you want to get high, don't drive under the influence and put the people in your car and all the others on the road in jeopardy.
Not to mention that your little girl is in the back seat inhaling that smoke too and hearing all your f words.
These two are certainly not good people in my opinion.
Doesn't mean he deserved to die (and I've watched the shooting video several times and it's just not clear what he was reaching for) but we know he was high because of the autopsy so maybe his judgement was impaired enough that he didn't follow the officers instructions.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2017 7:20:53 GMT
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the video that Philando's girlfriend posted on Facebook well before the shooting. They are both smoking pot, driving while high, music playing with the f word, she repeatedly says the f word while taking crotch shot video of herself and all of this while her daughter is in the back seat. No, of course NONE of that means that he deserved to die, but it does show their lack of common sense with her daughter in the car and it tells me a lot about their character. If you want to get high, don't drive under the influence and put the people in your car and all the others on the road in jeopardy. Not to mention that your little girl is in the back seat inhaling that smoke too and hearing all your f words. These two are certainly not good people in my opinion. Doesn't mean he deserved to die (and I've watched the shooting video several times and it's just not clear what he was reaching for) but we know he was high because of the autopsy so maybe his judgement was impaired enough that he didn't follow the officers instructions. "I'm not saying he deserved to die, but..." They smoked marijuana at some point before Castile was shot*. They the f word in front of a child. They "are not good people." *You clearly don't know anything about marijuana, either. THC stays in a smoker's system for at least 30 days, so no. The fact that Castile's autopsy showed THC in his system does not mean he was high at the time he was shot. You come off as ignorant and judgmental. What you really meant to say was, "I'm not saying Castile deserved to die, but he was not a good person, so he deserved to die." Castile was calm and respectful. He was far more calm than the unhinged dope who shot him. But sure. Let's use a completely unrelated video to justify the man's death. |
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Post by glory77 on Jun 23, 2017 7:35:44 GMT
Ignorant, nope. Judgmental, yes definitely when there was a small child in the car.
I don't see how anyone can watch that video of them in the car, doing those things while a little girl is in the back seat and think these are good people.
And you're putting words in my mouth. I did not say he wasn't a good person so he deserved to die. I said he wasn't a good person and he has poor judgment and character which MAY also mean he used poor judgment when he was pulled over.
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Post by glory77 on Jun 23, 2017 7:45:50 GMT
And of course we will never know, but the officer stated he smelled marijuana when he pulled them over. It's very likely that they were both high at the time. Nope, not certain but likely.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2017 7:49:51 GMT
Ignorant, nope. Judgmental, yes definitely when there was a small child in the car. I don't see how anyone can watch that video of them in the car, doing those things while a little girl is in the back seat and think these are good people. And you're putting words in my mouth. I did not say he wasn't a good person so he deserved to die. I said he wasn't a good person and he has poor judgment and character which MAY also mean he used poor judgment when he was pulled over. I've lost the ability to politely engage people like you. Since we are passing judgment, I'll simply say that I don't think you're a very good person, either, based on your ignorant assumptions and lack of care for the life of this man. And in spite of how little I think of you, I'd be equally outraged if you were in Castile's shoes. I wouldn't say, "I'm not saying she deserved to die, but she was an ignorant ass at two peas, so that "may" mean she had it coming to her." |
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Post by glory77 on Jun 23, 2017 8:01:20 GMT
And it doesn't bother me what you think of me.
I really don't care.
What I DO care about is that little girl and how her mother and her mother's boyfriend didn't think about her while they were getting high in the SAME car and then proceeded to drive.
And I really hate that she was in the car when the officer used his gun and killed Philandro.
All three adults used poor judgment that day, including the officer.
And if you can't see how that makes them "not good people" then there's another ignorant ass on two peas.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 23, 2017 13:59:40 GMT
Then why even mention it? Does it somehow make this shooting less horrific? Oh, wait. You don't think it's horrific to begin with. You've wasted a lot of energy justifying the fact that Philando Castile was murdered by this coward with a badge I actually havn't wasted any energy! I could say the same to you about all your posts on this subject. I'm just trying to keep the info shared, as facts. Not speculation. This happened 1 mile from where my dd goes to college, in my home state. Trust me, we have heard ALL the facts. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 23, 2017 16:40:04 GMT
Then why even mention it? Does it somehow make this shooting less horrific? Oh, wait. You don't think it's horrific to begin with. You've wasted a lot of energy justifying the fact that Philando Castile was murdered by this coward with a badge I actually havn't wasted any energy! I could say the same to you about all your posts on this subject. I'm just trying to keep the info shared, as facts. Not speculation. This happened 1 mile from where my dd goes to college, in my home state. Trust me, we have heard ALL the facts. Funny I asked if anyone had first-hand knowledge that only being apart of the community would make you privied to and she never replied. You sharing the fact that the child wasn't his...seems odd. And cold. Of ALL the facts you know that's what you decided to share? Why? I also posted regarding the teenager in Texas who was shot as he was leaving a rowdy party. abcnews.go.com/amp/US/police-involved-shooting-teen-killed-rifle-left-house/story?id=47143551Teenage boys, cafeteria workers, mothers with babies in their laps you name it. All deserve death instead of being booked like a white person. And then women (who are supposed to be bleeding hearts with nurturing spirits) like you come up with every excuse why it's justifiable. Someone shared that the dash cam wasn't graphic and didn't show the shooting, that means she was able to hear the child tell her handcuffed mother to be quiet and warned her if she didn't she would be killed, and none of that touched a motherly tender spot in her at all. The need to blame the victim and place no responsibility at the feet of the police was again the consensus. No legislative changes. No convictions. No changes in policing. Nothing has changed. No one is even trying to spin this different. It's like everyone is shrugging their shoulders watching us be killed. Do we really deserve this type of treatment when America hasn't even begun to say sorry for the atrocities it carried out in years pass? When I was in elementary school an African kid moved to our city. I was very excited about hearing what his life was like and was fairly certain he was royalty. Well when he arrived all of our mostly white classmates picked on this kid. First it was African booty scratcher then it was nigger go back to Africa. I say all this to say....I have no hope things will change. None. Many of you think nothing needs to change. Then an even bigger number of you know things need to change and do Fuck all about it. I don't think I will ever have the same freedoms that you as white women enjoy. No matter what the circumstances white people will find a way to make black people sub-human. This is a global thing. In a conversation among family we talked about the possibility that white people have a pre-disposition for this behavior. Just like Black people have behaviors that stem from slavery. Then you read the comment section of a news story, recognize the only reason 45 is president, come to a messageboard you've frequented since you were a teenager etc and you know then that something drastic has to happen. I think black people should make a mass exit from a system that doesn't recognize us as people. Become self sufficient, build all black communities, homeschool our children police each other, grow watermelon, raise chickens, enjoy being freeborn. These last three years have been heartbreaking for me as a black woman. I can't even begin to describe how betrayed and disgusted I feel as an American. An American woman whose ancestors built this country. Literally. Of course this would work best if every black person decided they were fed up too. I am sure the "real" racist people will delight or bomb the communities we start. I imagine the undercover racists will only feel the difference come March or during NFL season. |
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Post by nightnurse on Jun 23, 2017 17:09:20 GMT
I could not get through the videos. Watching that little girl try to comfort her mother and at the same time warning her not to yell or she could be shot too.....how does that not break a person's heart? How are we watching this again and again and again and again and making excuses for the officers involved? If you are so afraid that your first instinct is to shoot, maybe police officer isn't the right job for you. The police should be held to a higher standard than a layman and time again we see people whine that we just don't undertstandthe fear and stress. One way to fully support the police and insist that shooting the people they are sworn to protect and serve is wrong is to provide the money for training and enough officers to do the job without understanding and excessive over time.
I support police officers. I also believe they do not have the right to murder innocent people. I don't understand how it's become one or the other. And I really am sick to my stomach at the victim blaming. I know why we do it. It's the same reason we point out that a rape victim was drunk and wearing a short skirt-because if she did something wrong and we don't tsp that thing, then it won't happen to us. It's supposed to make us feel safer. But I don't feel safer knowing that a person can be deemed "not a good person" and deserving of death if they use the f word or smoke a little dope. I don't want to live ina country where only perfect people of the right color deserve safety.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 23, 2017 17:27:54 GMT
Funny I asked if anyone had first-hand knowledge that only being apart of the community would make you privied to and she never replied. You sharing the fact that the child wasn't his...seems odd. And cold. Of ALL the facts you know that's what you decided to share? Why? I am NOT part of the community. I live in the state. My dd is part of the community. I have only responded I think on here to mis-facts. I think you might be confusing me with another poster who's dd was friends with someone from the school he worked at. I guess if you don't want people to correct mis-information on your threads, and just speculate, I will step out. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 23, 2017 17:36:10 GMT
Funny I asked if anyone had first-hand knowledge that only being apart of the community would make you privied to and she never replied. You sharing the fact that the child wasn't his...seems odd. And cold. Of ALL the facts you know that's what you decided to share? Why? I am NOT part of the community. I live in the state. My dd is part of the community. I have only responded I think on here to mis-facts. I think you might be confusing me with another poster who's dd was friends with someone from the school he worked at. I guess if you don't want people to correct mis-information on your threads, and just speculate, I will step out. I didn't confuse you. I mentioned her in the text that you quoted. I also knew she wasn't his daughter. I still think they should be considered a family but maybe you don't. I just didnt get the relevance. It seems with the way you prefaced you, you recognized the relevancy before posting. Why do you think that misinformation needed to be corrected? |
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2017 18:06:33 GMT
Funny I asked if anyone had first-hand knowledge that only being apart of the community would make you privied to and she never replied. You sharing the fact that the child wasn't his...seems odd. And cold. Of ALL the facts you know that's what you decided to share? Why? I am NOT part of the community. I live in the state. My dd is part of the community. I have only responded I think on here to mis-facts. I think you might be confusing me with another poster who's dd was friends with someone from the school he worked at. I guess if you don't want people to correct mis-information on your threads, and just speculate, I will step out. "Mis-fact" is not a word. And the paternity of the little girl has no bearing whatsoever on what happened in that car. It seems you are only interested in correcting "mis-facts" that you think somehow prove that Philando Castile deserved to die. I don't care where you live or where your daughter attends college. That doesn't make you privy to any more information than the rest of us. Unless you sat on that jury, you have taken what you "know" from news sources, just like the rest of us. |
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