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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 21:52:13 GMT
And yet some of the people who don't get it on this thread will complain vocally here about the "War on Christmas" and "Christian persecution" because the cashier at Target says "Happy Holidays" or their kid's school calls it a "Winter Concert"...  If you're speaking of me in that group, just for the record, you couldn't be more wrong. On the last Happy Holidays thread I said... (active link) I've never had a problem with "Happy Holidays". I guess in my mind it was just the same as and interchangeable with "Merry Christmas". I did understand why some would have an issue with the move to calling Christmas trees, school Christmas parties, Christmas concerts, etc. to holiday trees, holiday, parties, holiday concerts, the call for removing nativities from public places etc. But, this is another one of those subjects that I have long ago come to see another viewpoint from listening to the respectful logic and reasoning from the Peas. Thanks for putting it in visual form, Nink. :2thumbsup: |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 21:54:48 GMT
I am sad to say that I do think that Trump saw footage, and I think that he says whatever comes to his mind to keep that adoring audience. They will love and cheer for him as long as he supports them - even if support means not actively condemning them, as any other decent non-deplorable person or politician would. He knows that Nazis, The KKK and White Supremacists are part of his most loyal base - loyalty to HIM being MUCH more important to him than having honor and integrity (look at all the people he has tried to pressure into making loyalty pledges) or being loyal to the Constitution. Trump cherishes their adoration much more than doing what is morally correct. I was trying not to let my head explode reconciling his statements with the fact he has a Jewish DD, SIL and grandkids.  When David Duke tweets a thank you for your support, there is no question the white supremacists heard his sympathy for them loud and clear. SaveSaveI know, I know. But that he skipped his grandson's Bris because he was busy tells me all I need to know about how he feels about Ivanka's conversion and the religion of his grandkids. Until there are enough of them to out-shout the amount of cheering that Nazis, KKK and White Supremacists give Trump, his grandchildren, SIL and Ivanka are not nearly as important as catering to the deplorables. |
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Post by Peal on Aug 29, 2017 22:02:28 GMT
I think it isn't really about antifa. I think the problem is that the anarchists have hitched their wagon to antifa and show up when they do. And the anarchists are scary as fuck. They just want to disrupt and destroy. Which makes it very difficult for people watching from home on their tvs to differentiate between the peaceful counter protestors and the destructive loons who happen to show up about the same time. So they get lumped together and then you get "but they did it too" or "it was a "peaceful protest" until the brawl happened." regardless of who threw the first punch. SaveShouldn't the President of the USA be capable of making the distinction, rather than fanning ignorant flames at political "rallies?" He is one of those marking "Antifa" as the enemy, with no discussion of Anarchists. Of course he should. But I think we all know by now that just simply isn't going to happen. We need other people, those with critical thinking skills for example, to do it. Unfortunately, I can't control what or who other people chose to listen to and believe. Save |
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Post by imsirius on Aug 29, 2017 22:03:29 GMT
I will start with the disclaimer that I rarely post on political threads, though I do read almost all of them. I don't post much because I am not as well-spoken on political topics as so many of you here are. I love reading them because I learn so much, and I have very often changed my opinions on issues based on what I read and learn here. That out of the way, I'm going to give my 2 cents on why I would like people here to denounce Trump and his Nazi-sympathizing behavior and speeches. While I realize that doing so on a message board does nothing to "fix" anything, I want to know what type of people I am interacting with. I do not want to interact in any way with anyone who thinks that Nazism in America is ok, especially on a message board that I come to for enjoyment. In my real life, I have to deal with my parents who are Trump supporters. They think that he should just be left alone so he can get to the job of fixing this country. Yeah, my dad says that on a regular basis. They think people are too sensitive. We haven't talked specifically about Charlottesville, but I have no doubt they see nothing wrong with what Trump said because they say all the time that people twist his words. Which is just laughable to me considering that we all hear his words and they need no twisting to make him look bad. I have no choice but to interact with my parents, and I go out of my way to avoid any political discussions with them if I can help it. But, I would have no problem curtailing my contact with a friend who shows me that he or she thinks there is nothing wrong with not only Nazis marching in the streets of America chanting Hitler slogans but also thinks there is nothing wrong with the POTUS, no matter who he is, thinking there is nothing wrong with it either. I have no problem having friends and others in my life with different political beliefs than mine. But like someone else said pages ago, this isn't a political issue. It's a moral, personal character issue, and I find anyone who thinks Nazism in America is ok to be reprehensible. Therefore, I do not want to have anything to do with anyone on this board who thinks it is ok. I do not want to knowingly interact on some innocuous thread about crafts with someone who is a Nazi sympathizer. That is MY reason for wanting people here to denounce Trump on this particular topic. I Gia LuPeaA, denounce white supremacists and Nazis. They are wrong in their thinking and that thinking has no place in our country or the world, for that matter. No race is better than any other race, we're all human and equal. This is a very enlightening thread and I think it would help if people would point out what he said that showed he sympathized with white supremacists and Nazis. I think there's a disconnect between what those on the Right heard and what those on the Left heard. If we could understand why some think he's sympathized with them and some don't think he has sympathized or supported them, the conversation might lead to further understanding between the two "sides". When he blamed both sides. When he did not acknowledge the woman who was mowed down by the nazis. When he said "when they charged at US. Us! Meaning including himself as the alt right. When he said there were very fine people in that group of people screaming "Jews will not replace me!" Thank you Gia, for posting about denouncing them. |
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Post by jennyap on Aug 29, 2017 22:09:00 GMT
I just can't agree with this, I don't think it's a healthy attitude either individually or for our community. We need new people to keep us thriving, and it costs us nothing to be kind. The controversial peas who "leave" and join again under a new name are easy enough to spot, they just can't help themselves repeating old patterns - case in point, this thread. There's no need to be suspicious or accusatory towards all new peas: we only need to give them time, and the old ones will out themselves soon enough, then do as you will. I do agree with you completely ... I was really just kinda joking.  Phew! I'm sorry I misunderstood |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 29, 2017 22:14:53 GMT
I can't believe I was nice to you when you first showed up here. I won't make that mistake again. Newbies, beware! You are all suspect! So saith the self-proclaimed "Queen of the Message Board". Get over yourself. You act as if people should consider themselves privileged that you deign to be nice to them. What a hoot. um, no. Some cuckoo crazy girl dubbed me that. I guess you conveniently forgot. I would maybe think you were her, except she was a flaming liberal crazy. |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 22:22:39 GMT
Interesting that more than one person sees that in you, huh? But nice backpedal claiming now you were joking. Then again, claiming you're sorry you were nice to someone is a bit, well crazy, in itself but hey either way, I think I'll manage to survive even if you're not nice to me.
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Post by Belia on Aug 29, 2017 22:26:27 GMT
I was following along pretty well until about page 9, but then.... everything seemed to go off the rails. I have no idea what the heck is going on here. It's nice to see Lauren back, though.  |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 29, 2017 22:28:06 GMT
um, no. Some cuckoo crazy girl dubbed me that. I guess you conveniently forgot. did that happen in the last few weeks, and I missed it? since lovetocolor is new, and all? no, seriously- I don't remember that ever happening... so if you're Queen, can I be a lady in waiting, or a Princess? (I do have a tiara I could lend you- lol.) |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 22:40:12 GMT
um, no. Some cuckoo crazy girl dubbed me that. I guess you conveniently forgot. did that happen in the last few weeks, and I missed it? since lovetocolor is new, and all? no, seriously- I don't remember that ever happening... so if you're Queen, can I be a lady in waiting, or a Princess? (I do have a tiara I could lend you- lol.) I will volunteer as court chef. I'll bring all my kitchen gadgets and feed y'all. |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 22:40:35 GMT
Have fun with your court. You think you're being funny but it's sad, because I think certain ones of you truly believe you run the show here. Why else would anyone even think of stating "Newbies, be on notice. You're under suspicion" on a message board they don't own, administer or have any other active role in running. I guess some people are so invisible and insecure in real life that they have to be Lord of the Message Board. Sad.
ETA: I see there's yet another clairvoyant person here. I'm astonished at how many people just *know* I'm Lauren. As I've seen stated on this thread (I think more than once), "saying it over and over again, doesn't make it so". But hey, if it adds to your experience here, feel free to call me Lauren, or Gia, or Elise, or Skybar or anyone else. In the end, I just sit here smiling. And if and when the time comes, I no longer find your silliness funny, I'll move on. But for now, it provides comic relief in a world that's gone a whole lotta crazy.
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Post by Just T on Aug 29, 2017 22:43:05 GMT
I will start with the disclaimer that I rarely post on political threads, though I do read almost all of them. I don't post much because I am not as well-spoken on political topics as so many of you here are. I love reading them because I learn so much, and I have very often changed my opinions on issues based on what I read and learn here. That out of the way, I'm going to give my 2 cents on why I would like people here to denounce Trump and his Nazi-sympathizing behavior and speeches. While I realize that doing so on a message board does nothing to "fix" anything, I want to know what type of people I am interacting with. I do not want to interact in any way with anyone who thinks that Nazism in America is ok, especially on a message board that I come to for enjoyment. In my real life, I have to deal with my parents who are Trump supporters. They think that he should just be left alone so he can get to the job of fixing this country. Yeah, my dad says that on a regular basis. They think people are too sensitive. We haven't talked specifically about Charlottesville, but I have no doubt they see nothing wrong with what Trump said because they say all the time that people twist his words. Which is just laughable to me considering that we all hear his words and they need no twisting to make him look bad. I have no choice but to interact with my parents, and I go out of my way to avoid any political discussions with them if I can help it. But, I would have no problem curtailing my contact with a friend who shows me that he or she thinks there is nothing wrong with not only Nazis marching in the streets of America chanting Hitler slogans but also thinks there is nothing wrong with the POTUS, no matter who he is, thinking there is nothing wrong with it either. I have no problem having friends and others in my life with different political beliefs than mine. But like someone else said pages ago, this isn't a political issue. It's a moral, personal character issue, and I find anyone who thinks Nazism in America is ok to be reprehensible. Therefore, I do not want to have anything to do with anyone on this board who thinks it is ok. I do not want to knowingly interact on some innocuous thread about crafts with someone who is a Nazi sympathizer. That is MY reason for wanting people here to denounce Trump on this particular topic. I Gia LuPeaA, denounce white supremacists and Nazis. They are wrong in their thinking and that thinking has no place in our country or the world, for that matter. No race is better than any other race, we're all human and equal. This is a very enlightening thread and I think it would help if people would point out what he said that showed he sympathized with white supremacists and Nazis. I think there's a disconnect between what those on the Right heard and what those on the Left heard. If we could understand why some think he's sympathized with them and some don't think he has sympathized or supported them, the conversation might lead to further understanding between the two "sides". For what it's worth, I don't have a "side." I am neither a registered Republican or Democrat, though I do tend to lean more to the conservative side. In fact, I have been of age to vote since Reagan's second term, and I have voted for only 1 Democratic president in that time. (Bill Clinton's second term). I did not vote for either Trump or Hillary, for what it's worth. So again, I am not on any particular side, I just happen to think that Trump is a despicable human being. I still can't wrap my brain around the fact that we have a president who bragged about grabbing women's pu$$ies and made fun of a handicapped reporter. And as far as what each side heard him say about Charlottesville...he said there were fine people on both sides. Did he not say that, or did my ears, and everyone else's ears, hear something else? This may be a silly opinion, but to me, there is absolutely NOTHING about Nazi's and white supremacists that makes them fine. Nothing. The two are mutually exclusive. You cannot be a "fine" person while being a Nazi. That is why I think he sympathizes with Nazis. And even those groups think he sympathizes with them because they thanked him for his response. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 29, 2017 22:46:09 GMT
um, no. Some cuckoo crazy girl dubbed me that. I guess you conveniently forgot. did that happen in the last few weeks, and I missed it? since lovetocolor is new, and all? no, seriously- I don't remember that ever happening... so if you're Queen, can I be a lady in waiting, or a Princess? (I do have a tiara I could lend you- lol.) It was years ago at the original 2peas and it actually wasn't funny at all. I was just the first person (well, me and Batya) she attacked but not the last, by far. She was the one who sent an email to Mrs. Tyler's principal and drove her off the board. It was a bad/sad thing. |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 22:48:43 GMT
You weren't the least bit sad that Mrs. Tyler was run off the board.
People joked about Yvonne being a Prom Queen. You really do believe you're Queen of the Board. *That* is what's sad/bad
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 29, 2017 22:51:13 GMT
ooohhh... I didn't realize it had to do with THAT whole episode, at all.  I think back in those days I hung around the scrapbooking board most of the time. I did hear that someone actually did that to Mrs. Tyler, but never knew the specifics. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 22:51:16 GMT
Have fun with your court. You think you're being funny but it's sad, because I think certain ones of you truly believe you run the show here. Why else would anyone even think of stating "Newbies, be on notice. You're under suspicion" on a message board they don't own, administer or have any other active role in running. I guess some people are so invisible and insecure in real life that they have to be Lord of the Message Board. Sad. ETA: I see there's yet another clairvoyant person here. I'm astonished at how many people just *know* I'm Lauren. As I've seen stated on this thread (I think more than once), "saying it over and over again, doesn't make it so". But hey, if it adds to your experience here, feel free to call me Lauren, or Gia, or Elise, or Skybar or anyone else. In the end, I just sit here smiling. So says the self-proclaimed Judge of all personalities and behavior on the board. You fit right in with the self-proclaimed royalty - LOL! You ARE funny in your blind damnation of others while doing the same exact thing yourself. It sucks to be no better than the rest of us, huh?  |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 29, 2017 22:53:35 GMT
You weren't the least bit sad that Mrs. Tyler was run off the board. People joked about Yvonne being a Prom Queen. You really do believe you're Queen of the Board. *That* is what's sad/bad You can ask Mrs. Tyler if I was sorry when she was run off the board. Beyond that, keep poking. I don't care. If you're not Lauren, you're someone just like her, which makes you not worth getting into the mud with.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 29, 2017 22:56:13 GMT
I am sad to say that I do think that Trump saw footage, and I think that he says whatever comes to his mind to keep that adoring audience. They will love and cheer for him as long as he supports them - even if support means not actively condemning them, as any other decent non-deplorable person or politician would. He knows that Nazis, The KKK and White Supremacists are part of his most loyal base - loyalty to HIM being MUCH more important to him than having honor and integrity (look at all the people he has tried to pressure into making loyalty pledges) or being loyal to the Constitution. Trump cherishes their adoration much more than doing what is morally correct. I was trying not to let my head explode reconciling his statements with the fact he has a Jewish DD, SIL and grandkids. When David Duke tweets a thank you for your support, there is no question the white supremacists heard his sympathy for them loud and clear. SaveSaveAnd, Jared/Ivanka rabbi backed out of the inaugural convocation because Trump refused to vocally disavow the support that David Duke provided to the Trump campaign. Top that off with all the times trump has--himself--outright lied by stating he doesn't know David Duke. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 22:58:36 GMT
You weren't the least bit sad that Mrs. Tyler was run off the board. People joked about Yvonne being a Prom Queen. You really do believe you're Queen of the Board. *That* is what's sad/bad You can ask Mrs. Tyler if I was sorry when she was run off the board. Beyond that, keep poking. I don't care. If you're not Lauren, you're someone just like her, which makes you not worth getting into the mud with. I get a definite cartology hit, rather than Lauren. That and a sense of someone getting egged while cycling. Lauren would have lost her shit pages ago, if it were she. This poster reminds me of the one that admitted to starting threads when she was bored simply to stir shit. And has been a part of the peas for 12+ years. |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 22:59:26 GMT
You weren't the least bit sad that Mrs. Tyler was run off the board. People joked about Yvonne being a Prom Queen. You really do believe you're Queen of the Board. *That* is what's sad/bad You can ask Mrs. Tyler if I was sorry when she was run off the board. Beyond that, keep poking. I don't care. If you're not Lauren, you're someone just like her, which makes you not worth getting into the mud with. I'm surprised you didn't yell "off with her head" |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 22:59:40 GMT
You weren't the least bit sad that Mrs. Tyler was run off the board. People joked about Yvonne being a Prom Queen. You really do believe you're Queen of the Board. *That* is what's sad/bad You can ask Mrs. Tyler if I was sorry when she was run off the board. Beyond that, keep poking. I don't care. If you're not Lauren, you're someone just like her, which makes you not worth getting into the mud with. I'm surprised you didn't yell "off with her head" |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 29, 2017 23:03:33 GMT
Have fun with your court. You think you're being funny but it's sad, because I think certain ones of you truly believe you run the show here. Why else would anyone even think of stating "Newbies, be on notice. You're under suspicion" on a message board they don't own, administer or have any other active role in running. I guess some people are so invisible and insecure in real life that they have to be Lord of the Message Board. Sad. ETA: I see there's yet another clairvoyant person here. I'm astonished at how many people just *know* I'm Lauren. As I've seen stated on this thread (I think more than once), "saying it over and over again, doesn't make it so". But hey, if it adds to your experience here, feel free to call me Lauren, or Gia, or Elise, or Skybar or anyone else. In the end, I just sit here smiling. So says the self-proclaimed Judge of all personalities and behavior on the board. You fit right in with the self-proclaimed royalty - LOL! You ARE funny in your blind damnation of others while doing the same exact thing yourself. It sucks to be no better than the rest of us, huh? [n] I don't feel the need to be a big shot on a message board or the need to feel that I'm the queen of the message board on her court. So yeah I'm a whole lot better than you are. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 23:07:41 GMT
So says the self-proclaimed Judge of all personalities and behavior on the board. You fit right in with the self-proclaimed royalty - LOL! You ARE funny in your blind damnation of others while doing the same exact thing yourself. It sucks to be no better than the rest of us, huh? [n] I don't feel the need to be a big shot on a message board or the need to feel that I'm the queen of the message board on her court. So yeah I'm a whole lot better than you are.Read what you just wrote. Read it. And then let the irony sink in. If you don't see it, you are dumb as a rock and I take back my guess as to who you are, because she wasn't as stupid as you appear to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 23:12:45 GMT
It's damn scary that there are so many white supremacists, Nazis. When I watched that Vice show, one of them made a comment that we (the general population) haven't even seen how many of them there are. Even scarier is that the President didn't denounce them. His words definitely say it all. Regarding Antifa--there's plenty of articles regarding what they are, what they stand for, and the general message that they have no problem using force and violence. So while I think people believe there are just a few anarchists that show up with them, I'm not so sure. CNN Antifa ArticleCNN Antifa Article #2 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 23:20:22 GMT
So says the self-proclaimed Judge of all personalities and behavior on the board. You fit right in with the self-proclaimed royalty - LOL! You ARE funny in your blind damnation of others while doing the same exact thing yourself. It sucks to be no better than the rest of us, huh? [n] I don't feel the need to be a big shot on a message board or the need to feel that I'm the queen of the message board on her court. So yeah I'm a whole lot better than you are. Of course you don't. You said so yourself in your opening post you were looking for a civil discourse! #1 - hypocrite #2 - As you say, pass over the thread as we're all faceless people are we not? |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 29, 2017 23:38:57 GMT
Ahem. If we're doing linguistic forensics, that there (^) might be the golden ticket hidden in our crazy virtual Wonka Bar of a forum. A certain one-word sentence at the end of a post? Could it be? Dare we think it? Talk about your PEAtlejuice, amirite? I kid, I kid. I think. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 29, 2017 23:41:32 GMT
Ahem. If we're doing linguistic forensics, that there (^) might be the golden ticket unwrapped in our crazy virtual Wonka Bar. A certain one-word sentence at the end of a post? Could it be? Dare we think it? Talk about your PEAtlejuice, amirite? I kid, I kid. I think. Bwahahahahahaha!   Funniest. Post. Of. The. Year. I love you. |
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Post by LiLi on Aug 29, 2017 23:43:39 GMT
Interesting, that the civil discourse in the civil discourse thread is being undone by the author of the OP.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 29, 2017 23:43:53 GMT
I think that Trumps racism had been out in plain sight for years, from what I have seen (some examples are his attacks against the Central Park 5, his constant attacks on Obama including the birther movement, lying about not knowing who David Duke is, his attitude towards immigrants that aren't white, etc). But as far as his response to Charlottesville, without going back to listen to all three of his speeches and reading through tweets, what comes to mind is the "every side" comment, taking days to denounce the KKK and nazis (and it was clear in that speech that he was not saying what he wanted to sAy), and his whole "off the rails" press conference. Also, last week when he was in Arizona and made the comments about "I got the KkK, I got the nazi's, I got them all" his tone was one of "yeah, yeah, I covered all of my bases to make the people stop bitching but we all know how I really feel." I think that the Trump supporters/republicans who voted for him and don't want to admit that he is racist do take those words at face value and say, "see. He did denounce racism" but they ignore the context, tone and other words that he says.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 0:05:52 GMT
I Gia LuPeaA, denounce white supremacists and Nazis. They are wrong in their thinking and that thinking has no place in our country or the world, for that matter. No race is better than any other race, we're all human and equal. This is a very enlightening thread and I think it would help if people would point out what he said that showed he sympathized with white supremacists and Nazis. I think there's a disconnect between what those on the Right heard and what those on the Left heard. If we could understand why some think he's sympathized with them and some don't think he has sympathized or supported them, the conversation might lead to further understanding between the two "sides". When he blamed both sides. When he did not acknowledge the woman who was mowed down by the nazis. When he said "when they charged at US. Us! Meaning including himself as the alt right. When he said there were very fine people in that group of people screaming "Jews will not replace me!" Thank you Gia, for posting about denouncing them. He definitely should have acknowledged Heather Heyer, I don't know why he wouldn't if he knew enough about it. He did say the next day, that all of the events hadn't happened yet when he made his statement. Is it possible that his words about Charlottesville (on the same day) came before we knew about Heather? I don't know. Unless he said it at another time that I'm not aware of, he didn't say "when they charged at US". He said "when they charged at 'em." So he wasn't including himself as the alt right... (you only have to listen for a few seconds to about 6:45) Also, taking all of his other words condemning racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc., before, during and after Charlottesville, taking his words in context... I do think he was differentiating between those who aren't racist and ONLY there to protest against the removal of statues and those who where actual white supremacists and Nazis. Stupid as it was for non-racists to be go on the same day as the hate filled people, there is a difference between them, just as there's a difference between the Anti-fa and the anarchists. All of his words in context, it doesn't make sense to me that he would mean that the white supremacists and Nazis are the very fine people he was pointing out. |
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