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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2017 0:21:25 GMT
Also, taking all of his other words condemning racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc., before, during and after Charlottesville, taking his words in context... I do think he was differentiating between those who aren't racist and ONLY there to protest against the removal of statues and those who where actual white supremacists and Nazis. Stupid as it was for non-racists to be go on the same day as the hate filled people, there is a difference between them, just as there's a difference between the Anti-fa and the anarchists. All of his words in context, it doesn't make sense to me that he would mean that the white supremacists and Nazis are the very fine people he was pointing out. The thing is, Gia, there wasn't any other groups there. There was no group there just protesting the removal of the statues. It was a highly organized white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi rally. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 0:25:18 GMT
Also, taking all of his other words condemning racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc., before, during and after Charlottesville, taking his words in context... I do think he was differentiating between those who aren't racist and ONLY there to protest against the removal of statues and those who where actual white supremacists and Nazis. Stupid as it was for non-racists to be go on the same day as the hate filled people, there is a difference between them, just as there's a difference between the Anti-fa and the anarchists. All of his words in context, it doesn't make sense to me that he would mean that the white supremacists and Nazis are the very fine people he was pointing out. The thing is, Gia, there wasn't any other groups there. There was no group there just protesting the removal of the statues. It was a highly organized white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi rally. SaveSaveOkay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 0:29:39 GMT
I Gia LuPeaA, denounce white supremacists and Nazis. They are wrong in their thinking and that thinking has no place in our country or the world, for that matter. No race is better than any other race, we're all human and equal. This is a very enlightening thread and I think it would help if people would point out what he said that showed he sympathized with white supremacists and Nazis. I think there's a disconnect between what those on the Right heard and what those on the Left heard. If we could understand why some think he's sympathized with them and some don't think he has sympathized or supported them, the conversation might lead to further understanding between the two "sides". For what it's worth, I don't have a "side." I am neither a registered Republican or Democrat, though I do tend to lean more to the conservative side. In fact, I have been of age to vote since Reagan's second term, and I have voted for only 1 Democratic president in that time. (Bill Clinton's second term). I did not vote for either Trump or Hillary, for what it's worth. So again, I am not on any particular side, I just happen to think that Trump is a despicable human being. I still can't wrap my brain around the fact that we have a president who bragged about grabbing women's pu$$ies and made fun of a handicapped reporter. And as far as what each side heard him say about Charlottesville...he said there were fine people on both sides. Did he not say that, or did my ears, and everyone else's ears, hear something else? This may be a silly opinion, but to me, there is absolutely NOTHING about Nazi's and white supremacists that makes them fine. Nothing. The two are mutually exclusive. You cannot be a "fine" person while being a Nazi. That is why I think he sympathizes with Nazis. And even those groups think he sympathizes with them because they thanked him for his response. Neither can I.  |
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Post by Clair on Aug 30, 2017 0:31:52 GMT
The thing is, Gia, there wasn't any other groups there. There was no group there just protesting the removal of the statues. It was a highly organized white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi rally. SaveSaveOkay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. So Gia - you are saying you believe a man that constantly lies. You believe his 'words'  |
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Post by imsirius on Aug 30, 2017 0:32:56 GMT
When he blamed both sides. When he did not acknowledge the woman who was mowed down by the nazis. When he said "when they charged at US. Us! Meaning including himself as the alt right. When he said there were very fine people in that group of people screaming "Jews will not replace me!" Thank you Gia, for posting about denouncing them. He definitely should have acknowledged Heather Heyer, I don't know why he wouldn't if he knew enough about it. He did say the next day, that all of the events hadn't happened yet when he made his statement. Is it possible that his words about Charlottesville (on the same day) came before we knew about Heather? I don't know. Unless he said it at another time that I'm not aware of, he didn't say "when they charged at US". He said "when they charged at 'em." So he wasn't including himself as the alt right... (you only have to listen for a few seconds to about 6:45) Also, taking all of his other words condemning racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc., before, during and after Charlottesville, taking his words in context... I do think he was differentiating between those who aren't racist and ONLY there to protest against the removal of statues and those who where actual white supremacists and Nazis. Stupid as it was for non-racists to be go on the same day as the hate filled people, there is a difference between them, just as there's a difference between the Anti-fa and the anarchists. All of his words in context, it doesn't make sense to me that he would mean that the white supremacists and Nazis are the very fine people he was pointing out. During his unhinged rant on the day after, he did say us. My DH and I rewound it on our tv. He said "they came at us first." My DH said "holy fuck did he just say what I think he did? We rewound it and yes, he said us. |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2017 0:33:22 GMT
The thing is, Gia, there wasn't any other groups there. There was no group there just protesting the removal of the statues. It was a highly organized white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi rally. SaveSaveOkay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. And didn't he say he waited to have all the facts before commenting.  SaveSave |
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Post by imsirius on Aug 30, 2017 0:34:23 GMT
Okay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. And didn't he say he waited to have all the facts before commenting. SaveSaveYes, yes he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 0:52:31 GMT
The thing is, Gia, there wasn't any other groups there. There was no group there just protesting the removal of the statues. It was a highly organized white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi rally. SaveSaveOkay, but according to his words, he really thought there were,, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. You don't know that though Gia. Bt the time he made that speech he should have got his facts right. Everything I've read about this rally points to an organized white supremacy rally even down to the flyers that were given out before hand with the list of names that were going to be speaking.......all known white supremacy activist including David Duke and Richard Spencer. A licence was granted before the rally took place in the name of Unite the Right....the name alone should ring bells or at least cast doubt as to what the rally was about. Anyone who joined that rally who didn't share the same views were very very naive and I really don't accept that anyone could be that naive or they knew exactly who they were joining. There was also two previous rallies, one in May organised by Spencer and a KKK one in July. What made anyone think that the third would be any different? |
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2017 0:56:54 GMT
Can I just share, given all the responses on this thread, especially this last one by @dottyscrapper , that I am glad I put Gia on block months ago?  Otherwise, I think that my blood pressure would be through the roof.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:17:08 GMT
He definitely should have acknowledged Heather Heyer, I don't know why he wouldn't if he knew enough about it. He did say the next day, that all of the events hadn't happened yet when he made his statement. Is it possible that his words about Charlottesville (on the same day) came before we knew about Heather? I don't know. Unless he said it at another time that I'm not aware of, he didn't say "when they charged at US". He said "when they charged at 'em." So he wasn't including himself as the alt right... (you only have to listen for a few seconds to about 6:45) Also, taking all of his other words condemning racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc., before, during and after Charlottesville, taking his words in context... I do think he was differentiating between those who aren't racist and ONLY there to protest against the removal of statues and those who where actual white supremacists and Nazis. Stupid as it was for non-racists to be go on the same day as the hate filled people, there is a difference between them, just as there's a difference between the Anti-fa and the anarchists. All of his words in context, it doesn't make sense to me that he would mean that the white supremacists and Nazis are the very fine people he was pointing out. During his unhinged rant on the day after, he did say us. My DH and I rewound it on our tv. He said "they came at us first." My DH said "holy fuck did he just say what I think he did? We rewound it and yes, he said us. Where was he, what was he doing when he said it? any clue as to what to search for would help. I can find nothing saying he said that and I'm sure if he did clips would be playing everywhere or transcripts and quotes, reporters and people incredulous that he included himself in the Alt Right, but I can find nothing on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:19:16 GMT
Okay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. And didn't he say he waited to have all the facts before commenting. SaveSaveThat doesn't negate the fact that he THOUGHT there were others there besides nazis. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:21:37 GMT
Can I just share, given all the responses on this thread, especially this last one by @dottyscrapper, that I am glad I put Gia on block months ago? Otherwise, I think that my blood pressure would be through the roof. And instead of behaving like an adult and simply counting your blessings that you have Gia on ignore, you have to make an announcement about it. You will always have many in your fan club, Elaine, but the more of this typical behavior from you shows plenty of others what a raging bitch you are for no reason. But I'm on ignore too...she won't see this 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:21:43 GMT
Okay, but according to his words, he really thought there were,, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. Bt the time he made that speech he should have got his facts right. Everything I've read about this rally points to an organized white supremacy rally even down to the flyers that were given out before hand with the list of names that were going to be speaking.......all known white supremacy activist including David Duke and Richard Spencer. A licence was granted before the rally took place in the name of Unite the Right....the name alone should ring bells or at least cast doubt as to what the rally was about. Anyone who joined that rally who didn't share the same views were very very naive and I really don't accept that anyone could be that naive or they knew exactly who they were joining. There was also two previous rallies, one in May organised by Spencer and a KKK one in July. What made anyone think that the third would be any different? According to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. That's what I know. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:26:34 GMT
Can I just share, given all the responses on this thread, especially this last one by @dottyscrapper , that I am glad I put Gia on block months ago? Otherwise, I think that my blood pressure would be through the roof. I'm having a civil discussion, Elaine. Lately you seem to have a major problem with opposing views no matter how civil they are or who they're from. I'm glad you have me on ignore, but when you make proclamations like this, you aren't being civil, you're just stirring your own shit and repeatedly showing that you can't handle opposing view points like an adult. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:42:44 GMT
You don't know that though Gia. Bt the time he made that speech he should have got his facts right. Everything I've read about this rally points to an organized white supremacy rally even down to the flyers that were given out before hand with the list of names that were going to be speaking.......all known white supremacy activist including David Duke and Richard Spencer. A licence was granted before the rally took place in the name of Unite the Right....the name alone should ring bells or at least cast doubt as to what the rally was about. Anyone who joined that rally who didn't share the same views were very very naive and I really don't accept that anyone could be that naive or they knew exactly who they were joining. There was also two previous rallies, one in May organised by Spencer and a KKK one in July. What made anyone think that the third would be any different? According to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. That's what I know. If there was no others except white supremacists there then he was saying they were fine. If, in his own words he was waiting until he got the facts before he made that press conference then he would have known who organized it and who was speaking. What other facts could he have possibly needed before making his statement? None! He couldn't categorically say, without knowing exactly who each individual was, that there were fine people there then could he if he had the facts? He either got the facts before he spoke and dismissed them or he wasn't prepared to disavow them. Whichever,both actions are reprehensible for a man in his position. ETA - with that I'm off to bed, it's very late here. |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 30, 2017 1:49:45 GMT
And didn't he say he waited to have all the facts before commenting. SaveSaveThat doesn't negate the fact that he THOUGHT there were others there besides nazis. Well, if he still thought that, after having all the facts presented to him, questioning what happened, watching the video coverage from multiple sources and investigating who was there, it is a very sad thought that he really did think anyone else was there. There isn't any credibility to his "thought" in this situation. ETA My mom thinks she lives in Scotland and has never had children. She lives in Canada, has 5 children and 10 grandchildren. She has dementia. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by AussieMeg on Aug 30, 2017 1:50:29 GMT
Unless he said it at another time that I'm not aware of, he didn't say "when they charged at US". He said "when they charged at 'em." So he wasn't including himself as the alt right... (you only have to listen for a few seconds to about 6:45) During his unhinged rant on the day after, he did say us. My DH and I rewound it on our tv. He said "they came at us first." My DH said "holy fuck did he just say what I think he did? We rewound it and yes, he said us. He most certainly DID say "us". I also rewound it to make sure that I'd heard correctly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:51:12 GMT
According to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. That's what I know. If, in his own words he was waiting until he got the facts before he made that press conference then he would have known who organized it and who was speaking. What other facts could he have possibly needed before making his statement? None! He couldn't categorically say, without knowing exactly who each individual was, that there were fine people there then could he if he had the facts? He either got the facts before he spoke and dismissed them or he wasn't prepared to disavow them. Whichever,both actions are reprehensible for a man in his position. ETA - with that I'm off to bed, it's very late here. Not if he thought there were others there besides white supremacists, he wasn't. He could claim to want to get all the facts, clearly, that doesn't mean he did. So, according to his other words claiming they were wrong and condemning them, he was not claiming white supremacists and Nazis to be fine people. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 30, 2017 2:47:01 GMT
You can ask Mrs. Tyler if I was sorry when she was run off the board. Beyond that, keep poking. I don't care. If you're not Lauren, you're someone just like her, which makes you not worth getting into the mud with.  I'm surprised you didn't yell "off with her head" Just more proof that you have no idea what civil discourse is, only chimed in here to start shit and attack others. And wasn't it you bitching up thread about "liberals being bullies"? POT MEET KETTLE. It's hilarious watching you get all frothy at lucyg I'm sure she's getting a good chuckle waiting for you to implode. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 30, 2017 2:48:43 GMT
So says the self-proclaimed Judge of all personalities and behavior on the board. You fit right in with the self-proclaimed royalty - LOL! You ARE funny in your blind damnation of others while doing the same exact thing yourself. It sucks to be no better than the rest of us, huh?  [n] I don't feel the need to be a big shot on a message board or the need to feel that I'm the queen of the message board on her court. So yeah I'm a whole lot better than you are. No, you're really not. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 30, 2017 2:56:31 GMT
You don't know that though Gia. Bt the time he made that speech he should have got his facts right. Everything I've read about this rally points to an organized white supremacy rally even down to the flyers that were given out before hand with the list of names that were going to be speaking.......all known white supremacy activist including David Duke and Richard Spencer. A licence was granted before the rally took place in the name of Unite the Right....the name alone should ring bells or at least cast doubt as to what the rally was about. Anyone who joined that rally who didn't share the same views were very very naive and I really don't accept that anyone could be that naive or they knew exactly who they were joining. There was also two previous rallies, one in May organised by Spencer and a KKK one in July. What made anyone think that the third would be any different? According to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. That's what I know. Yes, he did. He stated that there were fine people on "both sides". He KNEW there were both Nazi sympathizers and protestors of that group. Trumps own words-- “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said." Besides those facts, you really believe that there isn't anyone briefing the POTUS on this kind of shit as to who, what, where? |
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2017 3:06:18 GMT
According to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. That's what I know. Yes, he did. He stated that there were fine people on "both sides". He KNEW there were both Nazi sympathizers and protestors of that group. Trumps own words-- “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said." Besides those facts, you really believe that there isn't anyone briefing the POTUS on this kind of shit as to who, what, where? His exact words.  |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 30, 2017 3:18:40 GMT
The thing is, Gia, there wasn't any other groups there. There was no group there just protesting the removal of the statues. It was a highly organized white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi rally. SaveSaveOkay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. I'm not sure whether he really thought there were other groups there, or if it just fit his agenda to say what he said. You know, to shift the blame to "others" like he likes to do. If he truly thought there were other people there, he needs to have better info given to him or pay more attention to it. At what point is his incompetence going to be seen as his that? Rather than people making excuses for him? Gia, I do appreciate that you are being civil in this conversation. I hate when the threads just go to name calling between a few people (like it right now with a few others). Usually I just tune out at that point but in this thread there is still decent conversation going on despite the other stuff. ETA that I hope @gia doesn't find my post to be condescending. I wanted to point out that I noticed a difference in this thread, partly because I do appreciate it but I also wanted those who have her blocked to know as well. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2017 3:50:38 GMT
Okay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. I'm not sure whether he really thought there were other groups there, or if it just fit his agenda to say what he said. You know, to shift the blame to "others" like he likes to do. If he truly thought there were other people there, he needs to have better info given to him or pay more attention to it. At what point is his incompetence going to be seen as his that? Rather than people making excuses for him? Gia, I do appreciate that you are being civil in this conversation. I hate when the threads just go to name calling between a few people (like it right now with a few others). Usually I just tune out at that point but in this thread there is still decent conversation going on despite the other stuff. ETA that I hope @gia doesn't find my post to be condescending. I wanted to point out that I noticed a difference in this thread, partly because I do appreciate it but I also wanted those who have her blocked to know as well. That is great to hear, Kristin - I'm glad you shared it. |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 30, 2017 5:34:15 GMT
Okay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. So Gia - you are saying you believe a man that constantly lies. You believe his 'words' Waaaay over here we are in the middle, yet again, of a nasty race-related slanging match. A letter to the press brought up an old quote from Idi Amin: "sometimes people mistake the way I talk for what I am thinking". Nazis. South African racists on both/ multiple sides. 45. And some peas. Hmmm. In the case of 45 though, an extra layer of terror is added as we do not seem to be able to rely either on what he thinks OR his words. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:28:12 GMT
Yes, he did. He stated that there were fine people on "both sides". He KNEW there were both Nazi sympathizers and protestors of that group. Trumps own words--
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You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:31:32 GMT
He most certainly DID say "us". I also rewound it to make sure that I'd heard correctly. I swear I heard it too. I listened to the press conference and I had to go back and listen to it. It was in the transcripts posted too, because I posted an excerpt of it in here myself, because I was so horrified when I heard it. However, when I go back to multiple sources of the transcript (I got it from CNBC originally) its not there anymore. :/ Its changed to (indistinct) I have a screen shot of when it was in the transcript, but it no longer is - cause I checked both CNBC and ABC. Not sure what to make of that. ABC TRUMP: Well, I don’t know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he's talking about. But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead. Q Well, I'm saying, as Senator -- TRUMP: No, define it for me. Come on, let's go. Define it for me. Q Senator McCain defined them as the same group -- TRUMP: Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at 'em -- excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt? CNBC Trump: Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he's talking about. But when you say the alt-right...uh, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead. [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] Trump: No, define it for me. Come on, let's go. Reporter: Senator McCain defined them as the same groups. Trump: OK. What about the alt-left that came charging at-
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:53:21 GMT
Okay, but according to his words, he really thought there were, so he wasn't saying that the supremacists and Nazis were very fine people. I'm not sure whether he really thought there were other groups there, or if it just fit his agenda to say what he said. You know, to shift the blame to "others" like he likes to do. If he truly thought there were other people there, he needs to have better info given to him or pay more attention to it. At what point is his incompetence going to be seen as his that? Rather than people making excuses for him? Gia, I do appreciate that you are being civil in this conversation. I hate when the threads just go to name calling between a few people (like it right now with a few others). Usually I just tune out at that point but in this thread there is still decent conversation going on despite the other stuff. ETA that I hope @gia doesn't find my post to be condescending. I wanted to point out that I noticed a difference in this thread, partly because I do appreciate it but I also wanted those who have her blocked to know as well. Thank you for saying so, Kristen I do appreciate that and I didn't think your post was condescending at all. I haven't had any problem having civil discussions with most everyone here. The biggest trouble for me lately happens when I wrongly get involved with a certain someone who follows me around and responds to me with no desire to converse with me, only in order to discredit me. My fault lies in responding to her drivel thinking I have to defend against her personal attacks, but she's just recently publicly outed herself as a flat out liar in order to make that happen. So it's clear now to me and anyone who saw it, nothing she says in relation to me has any credibility and defending against her lies just isn't necessary. So there shouldn't be any more problems in that regard. Thank you again for taking the time to post that about me, I really do appreciate it. |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Aug 30, 2017 9:03:03 GMT
I'm not sure whether he really thought there were other groups there, or if it just fit his agenda to say what he said. You know, to shift the blame to "others" like he likes to do. If he truly thought there were other people there, he needs to have better info given to him or pay more attention to it. At what point is his incompetence going to be seen as his that? Rather than people making excuses for him? Gia, I do appreciate that you are being civil in this conversation. I hate when the threads just go to name calling between a few people (like it right now with a few others). Usually I just tune out at that point but in this thread there is still decent conversation going on despite the other stuff. ETA that I hope @gia doesn't find my post to be condescending. I wanted to point out that I noticed a difference in this thread, partly because I do appreciate it but I also wanted those who have her blocked to know as well. Thank you for saying so, Kristen I do appreciate that and I didn't think your post was condescending at all. I haven't had any problem having civil discussions with most everyone here. The biggest trouble for me lately happens when I wrongly get involved with a certain someone who follows me around and responds to me with no desire to converse with me, only in order to discredit me. My fault lies in responding to her drivel thinking I have to defend against her personal attacks, but she's just recently publicly outed herself as a flat out liar in order to make that happen. So it's clear now to me and anyone who saw it, nothing she says in relation to me has any credibility and defending against her lies just isn't necessary. So there shouldn't be any more problems in that regard. Thank you again for taking the time to post that about me, I really do appreciate it. I applaud both of you and many others on this thread. I don't mean to be condescending either, just appreciative of effort and hopeful about "our" board. iamkristinl16 you are always a thoughtful pea and your recent posts about your young sons were so poignant. Gia, I remember a little exchange of civil discourse with you in a hot thread not too long ago. The really nasty stuff (restricting this comment to this thread only for now) is slowly being outweighed by goodwill and fairness. Peace, peas. |
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