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Post by cade387 on Aug 31, 2017 2:51:11 GMT
I wrote it in another post, but I referred back to his attacks of the Brooklyn 5; comments about immigrants, Mexicans, Muslims, during the campaign and before; the tone in his recent speeches (the ones right after Charlottesville as well as when he was in Phoenix last week); associating With and hiring known white supremacists; lying about knowing david Duke; taking days to denounce racist groups while immediately denouncing Muslims when there are terrorist attacks by Muslims; equating people protesting racists with the racists; policies that he has/is trying to implement. I'm distracted by kids now but those are things that come to mind immediately. Okay, I get where you're coming from, but can you at least now see why so many don't agree that he said he supports racism? I haven't heard one rational argument that he didn't say he supports racism. Where were those posts? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 31, 2017 2:53:03 GMT
I wrote it in another post, but I referred back to his attacks of the Brooklyn 5; comments about immigrants, Mexicans, Muslims, during the campaign and before; the tone in his recent speeches (the ones right after Charlottesville as well as when he was in Phoenix last week); associating With and hiring known white supremacists; lying about knowing david Duke; taking days to denounce racist groups while immediately denouncing Muslims when there are terrorist attacks by Muslims; equating people protesting racists with the racists; policies that he has/is trying to implement. I'm distracted by kids now but those are things that come to mind immediately. Okay, I get where you're coming from, but can you at least now see why so many don't agree that he said he supports racism? No, I don't. I think people need to look at the big picture rather than focusing on only the words they want to hear. Sure, he said that he denounces racism and violence. But what else did he say before and after that? In that speech and in others? And what tone was used? |
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Post by elaine on Aug 31, 2017 2:57:35 GMT
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Post by LiLi on Aug 31, 2017 3:07:55 GMT
Okay, I get where you're coming from, but can you at least now see why so many don't agree that he said he supports racism? No, I truly don't understand. There are way more examples of him shown with racist tendencies to excuse them with a few comments that even feel awkward and fake when he says them. Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt; at best he has no problem with racism. He has no issue putting known racists in places of power. Just that alone is enough to show, in my eyes, he is supportive of racism. To me, racism is line I don't cross. If you're racist- you're out. I would even quit a job or allow myself to be put in a downtrodden position to avoid associating with racists. So yeah, I don't see it. Someone very important to me showed true colors after Trump became president. I can no longer even look at him. I am polite at gatherings, but walk away when he gets too close and may want to talk. I would never leave my kids in a room where he may spew his vile shit. I am so distraught by it. It really breaks my heart. Edited to say- I just read what you said carefully... "Okay, I get where you're coming from, but can you at least now see why so many don't agree that he said he supports racism?" Well of course he didn't say, "I support racism." (Is this a trick question?) But that doesn't mean what he did or said is any less supportive of racism... |
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Post by elaine on Aug 31, 2017 4:08:10 GMT
Dementia brings senior citizens back to the beginning - they become more and more childlike, both in memory and temperament. IMO, Trump's immaturity is directly tied to his cognitive decline/dementia. Maybe. Maybe not. I had two parents with dementia, one for 15 years. I know too well what you mean, but this looks somehow different. I don't think we can discount the possibility that this is just HIM. That said, I also know too well that one's strongest personality traits are heightened/ exacerbated by dementia, so maybe you're right but the whole situation is worsened because he was already an adult who retained a lot of childish impulses and coping strategies. So any maturity baseline will start out dismayingly low. ~AmeliaBloomer Clearly not a neurologist Well, I'm certainly not a neurologist either.  That said, there are things, like the unhealthy and weird obsession with crowd size, that scream cognitive impairment of some sort to me. That he brings it up all. the. time.; even in situations where it is completely out-of-place and inappropriate, like when speaking in Texas re: the disaster yesterday. I mean, who, if not mentally impaired, comments on the size of the crowd at a talk about disaster relief in the midst of a disaster in their state? Dementia is actually the kindest hypothesis I can come up with for some of his weird obsessions and what comes out of his mouth. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2017 11:40:46 GMT
I wrote it in another post, but I referred back to his attacks of the Brooklyn 5; comments about immigrants, Mexicans, Muslims, during the campaign and before; the tone in his recent speeches (the ones right after Charlottesville as well as when he was in Phoenix last week); associating With and hiring known white supremacists; lying about knowing david Duke; taking days to denounce racist groups while immediately denouncing Muslims when there are terrorist attacks by Muslims; equating people protesting racists with the racists; policies that he has/is trying to implement. I'm distracted by kids now but those are things that come to mind immediately. Okay, I get where you're coming from, but can you at least now see why so many don't agree that he said he supports racism? Which is puzzling, because THE WORDS ARE COMING STRAIGHT FROM HIS MOUTH. So no, it's not easy to see or understand why, when it's Trumps own words and his actions. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2017 11:44:45 GMT
Maybe. Maybe not. I had two parents with dementia, one for 15 years. I know too well what you mean, but this looks somehow different. I don't think we can discount the possibility that this is just HIM. That said, I also know too well that one's strongest personality traits are heightened/ exacerbated by dementia, so maybe you're right but the whole situation is worsened because he was already an adult who retained a lot of childish impulses and coping strategies. So any maturity baseline will start out dismayingly low. ~AmeliaBloomer Clearly not a neurologist Well, I'm certainly not a neurologist either. That said, there are things, like the unhealthy and weird obsession with crowd size, that scream cognitive impairment of some sort to me. That he brings it up all. the. time.; even in situations where it is completely out-of-place and inappropriate, like when speaking in Texas re: the disaster yesterday. I mean, who, if not mentally impaired, comments on the size of the crowd at a talk about disaster relief in the midst of a disaster in their state? Dementia is actually the kindest hypothesis I can come up with for some of his weird obsessions and what comes out of his mouth. I know, it's scary to think that the alternative is just that he's one jacked up, idiotic, incompetent, foolish, destructive, hateful old man! |
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Post by imsirius on Aug 31, 2017 14:22:56 GMT
Okay, I get where you're coming from, but can you at least now see why so many don't agree that he said he supports racism? I haven't heard one rational argument that he didn't say he supports racism. Where were those posts? I see many agree that he DOES support racism. Many times he's inferred it right from his own mouth. This is what makes me laugh. Trump SAYS these thing he spouts are fake news and people still think it's fake. He sayds them, they are recorded and there is video proof. Why people defend this is so unbelievable. |
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Post by cade387 on Aug 31, 2017 16:30:57 GMT
I haven't heard one rational argument that he didn't say he supports racism. Where were those posts? I see many agree that he DOES support racism. Many times he's inferred it right from his own mouth. This is what makes me laugh. Trump SAYS these thing he spouts are fake news and people still think it's fake. He sayds them, they are recorded and there is video proof. Why people defend this is so unbelievable. I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree. 
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly. 
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Post by imsirius on Aug 31, 2017 18:32:32 GMT
I see many agree that he DOES support racism. Many times he's inferred it right from his own mouth. This is what makes me laugh. Trump SAYS these thing he spouts are fake news and people still think it's fake. He sayds them, they are recorded and there is video proof. Why people defend this is so unbelievable. I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree.
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly.
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Post by cade387 on Aug 31, 2017 18:55:40 GMT
I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree.
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 6:05:45 GMT
I see many agree that he DOES support racism. Many times he's inferred it right from his own mouth. This is what makes me laugh. Trump SAYS these thing he spouts are fake news and people still think it's fake. He sayds them, they are recorded and there is video proof. Why people defend this is so unbelievable. I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree.
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly.
I never said any such thing, nor is anyone saying any such thing. I very clearly quoted him and his words to show he very clearly wasn't talking about Nazis and white supremacists being the "very fine people" therefore he was not supporting them. THIS is what I quoted and said, sorry you missed it and were confused. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. "You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence..." And many other statements, vidoe clips, etc., old and new that just DO NOT support the claim that he is supporting them.
For you to claim "It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'." is ignoring what people are saying. |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 1, 2017 6:40:55 GMT
I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree.
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly.
I never said any such thing, nor is anyone saying any such thing. I very clearly quoted him and his words to show he very clearly wasn't talking about Nazis and white supremacists being the "very fine people" therefore he was not supporting them. THIS is what I quoted and said, sorry you missed it and were confused. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. "You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence..." And many other statements, vidoe clips, etc., old and new that just DO NOT support the claim that he is supporting them.
For you to claim "It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'." is ignoring what people are saying. The fucking Nazis on Storm Front cheered because Trump appeared to defend them. But I guess they misunderstood, too. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 1, 2017 8:14:14 GMT
I never said any such thing, nor is anyone saying any such thing. I very clearly quoted him and his words to show he very clearly wasn't talking about Nazis and white supremacists being the "very fine people" therefore he was not supporting them. THIS is what I quoted and said, sorry you missed it and were confused. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. "You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence..." And many other statements, vidoe clips, etc., old and new that just DO NOT support the claim that he is supporting them.
For you to claim "It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'." is ignoring what people are saying. The fucking Nazis on Storm Front cheered because Trump appeared to defend them. But I guess they misunderstood, too. And David Duke himself even thanked him! She's ridiculous in her response. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 1, 2017 8:19:53 GMT
I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree.
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly.
I never said any such thing, nor is anyone saying any such thing. I very clearly quoted him and his words to show he very clearly wasn't talking about Nazis and white supremacists being the "very fine people" therefore he was not supporting them. THIS is what I quoted and said, sorry you missed it and were confused. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. "You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence..." And many other statements, vidoe clips, etc., old and new that just DO NOT support the claim that he is supporting them.
For you to claim "It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'." is ignoring what people are saying. You are ridiculous. You ignore the words that came straight out of his mouth. But hey, keep on being you with the alternative explanations just like a good little Trumpateer surrogate would. He DID, himself, for the world to hear make the statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 8:43:09 GMT
I never said any such thing, nor is anyone saying any such thing. I very clearly quoted him and his words to show he very clearly wasn't talking about Nazis and white supremacists being the "very fine people" therefore he was not supporting them. THIS is what I quoted and said, sorry you missed it and were confused. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. "You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence..." And many other statements, vidoe clips, etc., old and new that just DO NOT support the claim that he is supporting them.
For you to claim "It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'." is ignoring what people are saying. The fucking Nazis on Storm Front cheered because Trump appeared to defend them. But I guess they misunderstood, too. "seeing an endorsement of their cause in his insistence that left-wing groups were also to blame for the violence at a "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia." "fucking Nazis on Storm Front" are some of the most ignorant, hateful, vile human beings on the planet. Not anyone I'd align my thinking with, but you do you. ETA: Bottom line - his actual words coming out of his mouth show that white supremacists and Nazis are NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to. No matter how hard you work at trying to make it so, he just. did. not. say. that. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 1, 2017 10:06:32 GMT
The fucking Nazis on Storm Front cheered because Trump appeared to defend them. But I guess they misunderstood, too. "seeing an endorsement of their cause in his insistence that left-wing groups were also to blame for the violence at a "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia." "fucking Nazis on Storm Front" are some of the most ignorant, hateful, vile human beings on the planet. Not anyone I'd align my thinking with, but you do you. ETA: Bottom line - his actual words coming out of his mouth show that white supremacists and Nazis are NOT the "very fine people" he was referring to. No matter how hard you work at trying to make it so, he just. did. not. say. that. And you do you---alternative facts. Per usual. He most certainly and clearly stated it. The world heard it. Too bad you did not. ABC News-- "President Donald Trump lashed out today over criticism of his initial statement about the Charlottesville, Virginia, violence over the weekend in a confrontational press conference at Trump Tower in New York. Asked about his immediate response Saturday, Trump quickly blamed both sides for the conflict, adding that there were "very fine people" among both the protesters — which included white supremacists and white nationalists — and the counterprotesters. "I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides," Trump said today. "You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides," he added." BOTTOM LINE-- no matter how many times you try to say he didn't say it, it STILL is not true. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 23:32:54 GMT
Well, look at that. CONTEXT only counts when it supports YOUR point. When it proves your point wrong, well, you just discard that ol' useless demand for CONTEXT.  Not surprising in the least. Can't have an opposing viewpoint be right, now can you? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 0:15:01 GMT
I think it isn't really about antifa. I think the problem is that the anarchists have hitched their wagon to antifa and show up when they do. And the anarchists are scary as fuck. They just want to disrupt and destroy. Which makes it very difficult for people watching from home on their tvs to differentiate between the peaceful counter protestors and the destructive loons who happen to show up about the same time. So they get lumped together and then you get "but they did it too" or "it was a "peaceful protest" until the brawl happened." regardless of who threw the first punch. SaveShouldn't the President of the USA be capable of making the distinction, rather than fanning ignorant flames at political "rallies?" He is one of those marking "Antifa" as the enemy, with no discussion of Anarchists. He made the distinction about the "very fine people" that were there and you lost your collective shit. Now you're bitching because he didn't make a distinction. You can't have it both ways. Just for the record the FBI and Homeland Security have labeled Antifa as domestic terrorists. Again, not someone I'd be defending or you're going to be accused of supporting domestic terrorism. Them's the rules the vocal majority goes by. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 2, 2017 0:21:25 GMT
Shouldn't the President of the USA be capable of making the distinction, rather than fanning ignorant flames at political "rallies?" He is one of those marking "Antifa" as the enemy, with no discussion of Anarchists. He made distinction about the "very fine people" that were there and you lost your collective shit. Now you're bitching because he didn't make a distinction. You can't have it both ways. Just for the record the FBI and Homeland Security have labeled Antifa as domestic terrorists. Again, not someone I'd be defending or you're going to be accused of supporting domestic terrorism. I'm not seeing where he said what you are saying. When he said, "you had many other people there besides Neo-Nazis...." IMO, he was referring to the counter-protesters, and trying to blame them for the hate and violence. And, again, there are many examples of his racist views and support for white supremacists besides these speeches/press conferences. |
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Post by redhead32 on Sept 2, 2017 0:26:38 GMT
I just re-read my post.... yikes, I shouldn't post from my phone LOL.
I think we agree.
The thought line I was following was: @iamkristenl16 says 'here are a bunch of things he has done/said that make it look like he supports racism'
@gia_LuPeaA says 'can't you see how folks can see it both ways?'
My response was meant to have been: I have never heard or read someone making the argument that he doesn't support racism successfully. It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'.
But those aren't arguments. They don't explain or counter how folks cannot hear him supporting Nazis. So if there are posts or articles out there where someone can explain how he doesn't support Nazis with a real argument. I'd be interested to hear it.
I don't get Gia's post asking why "we" can't just it from the other side. Sorry I said it so poorly.
I never said any such thing, nor is anyone saying any such thing. I very clearly quoted him and his words to show he very clearly wasn't talking about Nazis and white supremacists being the "very fine people" therefore he was not supporting them. THIS is what I quoted and said, sorry you missed it and were confused. “But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said. "You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence..." And many other statements, vidoe clips, etc., old and new that just DO NOT support the claim that he is supporting them.
For you to claim "It is always, 'well he just didn't mean it that way' or 'well that is how you are choosing to hear it'." is ignoring what people are saying. Stephen Miller. Sebastian Gorka. The threat to stop DACA. Stormfront and David Duke cheering at his words. Perpetuating the myth that General Pershing buried Muslims with pigs and shot them with pig-blood covered bullets. Why do you refuse to acknowledge that at least in action, this man seems to be - at BEST - neutral towards racism and ultra-nationalism? At worst, he is a closeted racist that truly believes his whiteness gives him some sort of superiority. I'm so frustrated with white privilege and white obliviousness to how black and brown people have been treated in this country. I could write a novel here. We say things like, "You weren't a slave, and neither were your parents. Stop shooting each other and start working." We completely ignore the deeply entrenched institutional racism that we - the white people - have created since we set foot in this country. We claim statues celebrating treasonous Confederate leaders are historical. We get angry when a rich black athlete "disrespects our country" by quietly protesting on a knee at a televised football event ... but those same white people will laud Tebow and his football platform as amazing when he was writing John 3:16 under his eyes. It makes me sick, and sad, and hopeless. What will it take for white people to develop a bit of empathy and understand what we have done, and that we need to do better? That veiled racism is destructive, and that nationalism historically is not the path that lead the US to become a world power. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:25:31 GMT
He made distinction about the "very fine people" that were there and you lost your collective shit. Now you're bitching because he didn't make a distinction. You can't have it both ways. Just for the record the FBI and Homeland Security have labeled Antifa as domestic terrorists. Again, not someone I'd be defending or you're going to be accused of supporting domestic terrorism. I'm not seeing where he said what you are saying. When he said, "you had many other people there besides Neo-Nazis...." IMO, he was referring to the counter-protesters, and trying to blame them for the hate and violence. And, again, there are many examples of his racist views and support for white supremacists besides these speeches/press conferences. Most of those examples are just like this one in the end, they are meaningless interpretations of his actual words. I say most, because I don't keep up with every single claim, but every one I've ever seen is just like this one. "He said this and we're just sure THIS is what it means, despite his actual words contradicting our assertion." His words and actions do not support the claim that he didn't denounce white supremacists and Nazis. The claims, all of the ones I've paid attention to, keep falling flat in the face of the evidence. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 2, 2017 1:26:31 GMT
I'm not seeing where he said what you are saying. When he said, "you had many other people there besides Neo-Nazis...." IMO, he was referring to the counter-protesters, and trying to blame them for the hate and violence. And, again, there are many examples of his racist views and support for white supremacists besides these speeches/press conferences. Most of those examples are just like this one in the end, they are meaningless interpretations of his actual words. I say most, because I don't keep up with every single claim, but everyone I've ever seen is just like this one. "He said this and we're just sure this is what it means, despite his actual words contradicting our assertion." His words and actions do not support the claim that he didn't denounce white supremacists and Nazis. The claims, all of the ones I've paid attention to, keep falling flat in the face of the evidence. How do you explain hiring/appointing white supremacists? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:36:02 GMT
Most of those examples are just like this one in the end, they are meaningless interpretations of his actual words. I say most, because I don't keep up with every single claim, but everyone I've ever seen is just like this one. "He said this and we're just sure this is what it means, despite his actual words contradicting our assertion." His words and actions do not support the claim that he didn't denounce white supremacists and Nazis. The claims, all of the ones I've paid attention to, keep falling flat in the face of the evidence. How do you explain hiring/appointing white supremacists? Who are they and what is the proof that they are? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:38:57 GMT
How do you explain hiring/appointing white supremacists? Who are they and what is the proof that they are? Stephen Miller is still there. Steve Bannon and Seb Gorka are now gone. However it's been reported that trump still calls Bannon. Look them up. Remember google is our friend. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:46:13 GMT
I'm sure that holds as much weight as Obama putting the members of the "designated terrorists" the Muslim Brotherhood in his White House.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 2, 2017 2:07:17 GMT
And, another thread devolves into the "Let's fight with Gia" show.
I stopped reading after she said I was siding with Neo-nazis and domestic terrorists and Trump was not.
Don't get sucked in. it doesn't matter how much you argue. she'll continue to not defend Trump (hahahahaha) and we'll all continue to bash our head into a wall.
And, in the meantime, the actual point of the thread is lost.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 2:14:05 GMT
And, another thread devolves into the "Let's fight with Gia" show. I stopped reading after she said I was siding with Neo-nazis and domestic terrorists and Trump was not. Don't get sucked in. it doesn't matter how much you argue. she'll continue to not defend Trump (hahahahaha) and we'll all continue to bash our head into a wall. And, in the meantime, the actual point of the thread is lost. And there it is. Demonize the person with the opposing view instead of just letting the civil discourse happen. |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 2, 2017 2:16:22 GMT
And, another thread devolves into the "Let's fight with Gia" show. I stopped reading after she said I was siding with Neo-nazis and domestic terrorists and Trump was not. Don't get sucked in. it doesn't matter how much you argue. she'll continue to not defend Trump (hahahahaha) and we'll all continue to bash our head into a wall. And, in the meantime, the actual point of the thread is lost. And there it is. Demonize the person with the opposing view instead of letting the civil discourse happen. Yup. You're a victim. No one is demonizing you. You, lauren (sorry, lovestocolor), and olan have a lot in common. Stir up shit and fling it, and then play victim. Enjoy the view from up on your cross. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 2:19:32 GMT
And, another thread devolves into the "Let's fight with Gia" show. I stopped reading after she said I was siding with Neo-nazis and domestic terrorists and Trump was not. Don't get sucked in. it doesn't matter how much you argue. she'll continue to not defend Trump (hahahahaha) and we'll all continue to bash our head into a wall. And, in the meantime, the actual point of the thread is lost. And there it is. Demonize the person with the opposing view instead of just letting the civil discourse happen. Stephen Miller is still at the White House. Steve Bannon and Seb Gorka are gone. But it's been reported trump still calls Bannon. Look them up. Google is your friend. |
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