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Post by lucyg on Jan 15, 2018 20:42:23 GMT
That's funny, because I have felt shut down by you, rather than the other way around. You don't want discussion. You want everyone to agree with you, down to every detail. I don't appreciate being treated like a racist for trying to talk about a topic rather than just lapping up whatever it is you are dishing out. And btw, I generally agree with much of what you have to say. That still doesn't mean I want to raise my blood pressure by trying to have an actual discussion with you. You agree with much of what I say because it's hard to dispute the truth *shrugs* For posterity..No one has to agree with me and I certainly don't expect you to agree with "every detail" but what I would expect from someone who claims to be tolerant and "liberal" is that you not argue down the validity of a video I post or bring your husbands death up every time I talk about police brutality. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/65369/proctor-gamble-ad 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63892/?page=2Stop pretending like it's me ( Olan ) when it's glaringly obvious 1. You've been unwelcoming and rude. 2. It wasn't warranted. 3. You don't realllly want to have a conversation with a black woman like me. Your hope is that with each dig or personal attack I'll decide 2peas isn't the community I want to be apart of. Okay, I'm done. I should have known better than to respond to you in the first place.  |
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Post by Olan on Jan 15, 2018 20:57:39 GMT
You agree with much of what I say because it's hard to dispute the truth *shrugs* For posterity..No one has to agree with me and I certainly don't expect you to agree with "every detail" but what I would expect from someone who claims to be tolerant and "liberal" is that you not argue down the validity of a video I post or bring your husbands death up every time I talk about police brutality. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/65369/proctor-gamble-ad 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63892/?page=2Stop pretending like it's me ( Olan ) when it's glaringly obvious 1. You've been unwelcoming and rude. 2. It wasn't warranted. 3. You don't realllly want to have a conversation with a black woman like me. Your hope is that with each dig or personal attack I'll decide 2peas isn't the community I want to be apart of. Okay, I'm done. I should have known better than to respond to you in the first place. is done the moment truth mixed with a bit of receipts enters the room. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 15, 2018 21:35:10 GMT
Okay, I'm done. I should have known better than to respond to you in the first place. is done the moment truth mixed with a bit of receipts enters the room. You can't even get that right. Go reread your links. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 21:58:45 GMT
WOW. Trump's comment was offensive, divisive, and ignorant. And it's just like the offensive, divisive and ignorant comments from so many of the very same people in this thread about Alabama and its residents. The hypocrisy is unreal. Laughable...almost, if it weren't so sad. The BIG difference is that the person that made these OFFENSIVE, RACIST comments is actually making policy that affects millions of people! Any defense of his comments or pivot really speaks to one's morals. I've already choked on the GOP's hypocrisy, thank you very much! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 15, 2018 22:04:01 GMT
He and his staff have NO CLUE what the job entails! (Although I am glad the new citizens were able to have a letter sign by Obama!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:05:47 GMT
What's her face, LOL!  If those that chose to criticize Alabama AND Trump can't see the similarities, or don't want to admit it, they are in denial. No jollies here, just pointing out the obvious. Seriously...criticizing those that would vote for a man that prey's on underage girls?  I am pretty sure any pea would be more than happy to admit their comments in regards to people that support Roy Moore. Just as those that support Donald Trump. The time has come that their supporters can no longer hide behind being Republican or Christian or whatever group d'jour. If you support these men, you ARE a racist. Plain and simple. Their actions, their comments have proven just WHO THEY ARE! I can understand someone wanting fiscal conservatism (not the GOP anymore) and I can understand people's stance on gay marriage or abortion. But the vile, racist crap that has continually come out of these two mens' mouths speak to the heart of who they are. If you support either of these men, then you should be loud and proud to be called a racist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:13:26 GMT
That's funny, because I have felt shut down by you, rather than the other way around. You don't want discussion. You want everyone to agree with you, down to every detail. I don't appreciate being treated like a racist for trying to talk about a topic rather than just lapping up whatever it is you are dishing out. And btw, I generally agree with much of what you have to say. That still doesn't mean I want to raise my blood pressure by trying to have an actual discussion with you. You agree with much of what I say because it's hard to dispute the truth *shrugs* For posterity..No one has to agree with me and I certainly don't expect you to agree with "every detail" but what I would expect from someone who claims to be tolerant and "liberal" is that you not argue down the validity of a video I post or bring your husbands death up every time I talk about police brutality. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/65369/proctor-gamble-ad 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63892/?page=2Stop pretending like it's me (Olan ) when it's glaringly obvious 1. You've been unwelcoming and rude. 2. It wasn't warranted. 3. You don't realllly want to have a conversation with a black woman like me. Your hope is that with each dig or personal attack I'll decide 2peas isn't the community I want to be apart of.
This comment made my head spin around like the freaking Exorcist!!! Your comments about Lucy are absolutely NOT TRUE! In all the years I have been a part of TPs, Lucy has remained one of the nicest peas. Perhaps you don't want to talk to a white woman like her? I told you once before that you win no listeners to your point of view by beating them over the head or calling names. Your choice. If people engage, then your desire to change minds has reached an end game. Where does that get you? Or do you care? |
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Post by Olan on Jan 15, 2018 22:23:23 GMT
You agree with much of what I say because it's hard to dispute the truth *shrugs* For posterity..No one has to agree with me and I certainly don't expect you to agree with "every detail" but what I would expect from someone who claims to be tolerant and "liberal" is that you not argue down the validity of a video I post or bring your husbands death up every time I talk about police brutality. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/65369/proctor-gamble-ad 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/63892/?page=2Stop pretending like it's me (Olan ) when it's glaringly obvious 1. You've been unwelcoming and rude. 2. It wasn't warranted. 3. You don't realllly want to have a conversation with a black woman like me. Your hope is that with each dig or personal attack I'll decide 2peas isn't the community I want to be apart of.
This comment made my head spin around like the freaking Exorcist!!! Your comments about Lucy are absolutely NOT TRUE! In all the years I have been a part of TPs, Lucy has remained one of the nicest peas. Perhaps you don't want to talk to a white woman like her? I told you once before that you win no listeners to your point of view by beating them over the head or calling names. Your choice. If people engage, then your desire to change minds has reached an end game. Where does that get you? Or do you care? Everyone can decide which wagon to ride. My life will remain the same either way. I stand by what I said and don't feel a need to defend it when you can read lucyg and my own Olan words for yourself and conclude whatever it is you'd like. Name calling? I have made a choice it just doesnt involve pandering to you. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 15, 2018 23:02:29 GMT
First, I want to say I voted for Clinton. I despise Trump and cannot believe he actually became president. I was born and raised in the US. Trump has been an embarrassment to this country. I'd like to see him impeached. That said, I love this country and despite Trump being president, there is a lot of good here. There are wonderful, caring people. Lots of great opportunities. But to be honest, to read the posts by sassyangel and missfrenchjessica , it really bothers me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thoughts, I know. But there's something about non citizens being here in this country and reaping benefits ( I assume there is some benefit to them being here, or they wouldn't stay) all the while saying how they wouldn't seek citizenship right now. Sassy angel said it's her way of protesting. I say, if you want to protest, why would you stay? I'd never say the US is the best country. We certainly have our flaws. But there is a lot of good in this country. Don't come here to reap the benefits. and then bad mouth it in the process. I would not move to Canada and then say negative things about it, so I get what you’re saying. So if you moved to Canada, and lived there for over a decade, paid taxes there, had children there, and were affected by government policy to your detriment, you'd just shut up and be silent about it? Because otherwise you're not showing adequate gratitude as an immigrant? I have not ONCE been negative about this country, I have no reason to be. My American family here have been nothing but kind and accepting of me, as has the wider American people in general. Just it's current elected representation.  I have never ONCE been effectively told to "shut up or go home" since I moved here, when I voiced my opinion on issues I'm familiar with. This is truly a first. |
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Jan 15, 2018 23:50:46 GMT
I do not love what this administration is doing to my adopted country and I cannot bear to have that man's signature on my citizenship papers. I just can't. I talked to my husband about this thread last night. For what it's worth, he tells me that his citizenship papers (which, granted, are several years old) were signed by the director of the USCIS, not the POTUS. He said there wasn't any reference to the specific administration at all. I also asked him if he had to do it all over again today, would he? His response was that he'd have to think long and hard about it. Not because he loves our country any less, but because he believes he wouldn't be as welcomed today by Americans. That was sure heartbreaking to hear as the native citizen who loves him, but I can't say I disagree with his assessment. He certainly understood where you and SassyAngel are coming from and agrees that it's not a decision that is made lightly. Thank you for sharing this information with me. It definitely makes me think twice about getting American citizenship. I appreciate your husband's perspective as well. Thank you. |
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Post by missfrenchjessica on Jan 15, 2018 23:53:39 GMT
First, I want to say I voted for Clinton. I despise Trump and cannot believe he actually became president. I was born and raised in the US. Trump has been an embarrassment to this country. I'd like to see him impeached. That said, I love this country and despite Trump being president, there is a lot of good here. There are wonderful, caring people. Lots of great opportunities. But to be honest, to read the posts by sassyangel and missfrenchjessica , it really bothers me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thoughts, I know. But there's something about non citizens being here in this country and reaping benefits ( I assume there is some benefit to them being here, or they wouldn't stay) all the while saying how they wouldn't seek citizenship right now. Sassy angel said it's her way of protesting. I say, if you want to protest, why would you stay? I'd never say the US is the best country. We certainly have our flaws. But there is a lot of good in this country. Don't come here to reap the benefits. and then bad mouth it in the process. I would not move to Canada and then say negative things about it, so I get what you’re saying. Really? You wouldn't say anything negative about a place you live, have invested time, talent, and resources if things weren't going well? Really? Huh. You're a better person than I am, I guess. I figure with all my family and I have given up and contributed to the US, I have the right to express my opinion, as positive or as negative as it may be. I guess in your view, I can only do this if I become a citizen---everything else be damned. Gotcha! |
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Post by elaine on Jan 16, 2018 1:46:13 GMT
Okay, I'm done. I should have known better than to respond to you in the first place.  is done the moment truth mixed with a bit of receipts enters the room. If someone can’t get along with Lucy ( lucyg), the chances are close to 100% that it is that person’s ( Olan ) issue and not Lucy’s. Olan, you pride yourself on supposedly knowing the peas so well and having committed all our past behavior to memory. If that were true, you’d know that you are the only person I know of that claims that Lucy, of all people, tried to silence you. This is all on you and your misinterpretations of what Lucy has said, not on Lucy and what Lucy has actually said. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 16, 2018 2:16:03 GMT
Do you really believe this? I studied abroad in Venezuela, I didn't live there for years on a green card but I still have plenty to say about what I observed in that country, good and bad. My husband studied in Italy and over the years I've heard so much, mostly good but definitely some negatives about his experience. That's not fair game?
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jan 16, 2018 2:45:02 GMT
If you weren't one of the many here that criticized and ridiculed Alabama and it's residents, then my comment wasn't directed at you. However, those that did, thought it a-okay, and yet now criticize Trump are being hypocrites. What are your thoughts about them? Whataboutism, what a cute word. That Alabama election was 2 months ago, and many of those same critical members are here now. I think that the two events are not remotely related. Private citizens expressing disgust with a child molester and the people who are willing to vote for him is not remotely the same thing as the putative leader of the free world calling other nations, which do not have the benefit of our wealth or history of stable democracy, "shitholes," especially in the context of saying that immigrants from those countries are not as valuable or welcome here as immigrants from a wealthy, white country like Norway. Whataboutism = conflating unrelated events when you don't have an actual argument against what is being said but still want to express nastiness toward the person saying it. I didn't coin the phrase. Google it. Also known as a sad attempt at deflection. The best-known example of whataboutism was the "but her emails" argument against voting for Clinton every time another example of Trump's racism, sexism, bigotry, and general unfitness for office was revealed during the 2016 campaign. This is the best, in the sense of most pithy and representative, post on this board over the last year. Straight to the point, describing what we have been up to/the traps we fell into. You should have done the proverbial mic drop. |
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Post by jenis40 on Jan 16, 2018 2:48:39 GMT
Do you really believe this? I studied abroad in Venezuela, I didn't live there for years on a green card but I still have plenty to say about what I observed in that country, good and bad. My husband studied in Italy and over the years I've heard so much, mostly good but definitely some negatives about his experience. That's not fair game? This seems like a really odd, arbitrary rule. I follow a lot of expats on Twitter and blogs and I can’t think of a single one that doesn’t have some complaints about the current country they’re living in, including the governments of said countries. No place is perfect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 3:34:14 GMT
If that were true, you’d know that you are the only person I know of that claims that Lucy, of all people, tried to silence you. That's not actually true. She tried to silence me in November. I asked a question. I wasn't rude or nasty. I wasn't baiting, I wasn't anything. I just asked someone a question to clarify and she told everyone not to respond to me and ruin "our otherwise-happy little Trump-hating enclave here". |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 16, 2018 3:40:12 GMT
Yeah, I was going to post to thank allipeas and elaine for sticking up for me, but I’d have to remind them that there are others here who hate me already. Ask Lauren and her various incarnations about that.  But @ricky beat me to it. ETA here is the thread (first and second posts down) that @ricky is referring to. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/70457/trump-catch-all-7?page=2Please note that I was asking people not to derail the catch-all thread by arguing with her (or him?) there. Not that I was saying to never respond to him or her at all. But Ricky, you’ve brought it up at least twice since then, so I have to assume I hurt your feelings. I am sorry about that. Maybe you can try to confine your shit-stirring to every. other. political. thread, and leave our one place to vent uninterrupted alone. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 16, 2018 4:03:16 GMT
If that were true, you’d know that you are the only person I know of that claims that Lucy, of all people, tried to silence you. That's not actually true. She tried to silence me in November. I asked a question. I wasn't rude or nasty. I wasn't baiting, I wasn't anything. I just asked someone a question to clarify and she told everyone not to respond to me and ruin "our otherwise-happy little Trump-hating enclave here". So, by your own admission, she didn’t try to dictate your behavior or silence you on our board. She asked others to not get sucked into a derailment. Spin and twist. But I will in future be sure to add you to those who mistakenly claim that Lucy tried to silence you/them. For which, you will note, she has apologized for hurting your feelings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 4:13:39 GMT
Yeah, I was going to post to thank allipeas and elaine for sticking up for me, but I’d have to remind them that there are others here who hate me already. Ask Lauren and her various incarnations about that. But @ricky beat me to it. ETA here is the thread (first and second posts down) that @ricky is referring to. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/70457/trump-catch-all-7?page=2Please note that I was asking people not to derail the catch-all thread by arguing with her (or him?) there. Not that I was saying to never respond to him or her at all. But Ricky, you’ve brought it up at least twice since then, so I have to assume I hurt your feelings. I am sorry about that. Maybe you can try to confine your shit-stirring to every. other. political. thread, and leave our one place to vent uninterrupted alone. First I don't hate you, at all. I actually had quite a bit of respect for you until that point in time. I was just clarifying that Olan isn't the only one you've tried to silence. Second, I've not brought it up before now, so don't say I have by trying to lay on the insults about my feelings being hurt. Third, I wasn't aware that questions weren't allowed on certain threads. That was never stated before and if that's how it is, you informed for the first time, with the mentality of an 8 year old who's never had any adult guidance on how to be a decent human being on this planet. That is not how I've seen you up until that point in time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 4:21:15 GMT
That's not actually true. She tried to silence me in November. I asked a question. I wasn't rude or nasty. I wasn't baiting, I wasn't anything. I just asked someone a question to clarify and she told everyone not to respond to me and ruin "our otherwise-happy little Trump-hating enclave here". So, by your own admission, she didn’t try to dictate your behavior or silence you on our board. She asked others to not get sucked into a derailment. Spin and twist. But I will in future be sure to add you to those who mistakenly claim that Lucy tried to silence you/them. For which, you will note, she has apologized for hurting your feelings. No, that isn't correct. When you tell everyone not to interact with someone, you are cutting them off from the conversation and in effect silencing them. You're making sure they don't want to speak, that is silencing someone. Don't play a semantics game to pretend what's happening isn't happening. You're not fooling anyone. |
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Post by prapea on Jan 16, 2018 4:43:25 GMT
I have been thinking about frenchie's post for last couple of days since I am an immigrant. I am a citizen and I have voted in several elections so far. I had various responses since I saw the "you are here reaping benefits so zip it" kind of reply and kept deleting them (The juvenile in me also laughed a bit that for someone with a pea name of "French"ie, she is telling to keep it shut if you are not a citizen. I know I know frenchie could mean something else. Don't spoil it for my inner juvenile). Here are my random thoughts and personal opinions. Alright, so, when racists scream loudly that "You are an immigrant, you have no right", - is it the same when someone who is earning a wage tells a person on disability, "You are not earning money, you have no right " when it comes to any topic that pertains to their situation? How do you know a person who is not a citizen, is not working and not paying taxes in this country? If they are, shouldn't they have a say? They cannot vote, but I think they can at least bitch about what they don't like about this country in an on-line community. When foreigners visit India and they get harasses or bad things happen, do we not say stuff about that country? Do we sit down and shut up? Should we sit down and shut up? I remember watching Indian Tourism Department releasing ads with famous actors/actresses about how we should treat foreigners with respect and dignity when they visit India. Should we have told them that they didn't need to do that? or is it only when it's financially helpful, we will listen to others? It's a slippery slope when we say, you are not a citizen so shut up (irrespective of who you voted for). It makes me just think that you (general you)are no different than Trump if that's what you think. Now that I posted all that, I probably should go duck  . |
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Post by elaine on Jan 16, 2018 5:01:13 GMT
So, by your own admission, she didn’t try to dictate your behavior or silence you on our board. She asked others to not get sucked into a derailment. Spin and twist. But I will in future be sure to add you to those who mistakenly claim that Lucy tried to silence you/them. For which, you will note, she has apologized for hurting your feelings. No, that isn't correct. When you tell everyone not to interact with someone, you are cutting them off from the conversation and in effect silencing them. You're making sure they don't want to speak, that is silencing someone. Don't play a semantics game to pretend what's happening isn't happening. You're not fooling anyone. Mmmm. Difference in interpretation. If I am playing a semantics game, then so are you. Lucy gave you carte blanche to continue to preach your point of view ad nauseum. She didn’t tell you to shut up. You could/can speak your pro-Trump/anti-Democrat views however you want to. Telling other people not to encourage you is certainly and most definitely not shutting you up. You could always ask our legal Peas if asking others not to engage/encourage would translate to censoring a third party in a court of law. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 5:34:41 GMT
No, that isn't correct. When you tell everyone not to interact with someone, you are cutting them off from the conversation and in effect silencing them. You're making sure they don't want to speak, that is silencing someone. Don't play a semantics game to pretend what's happening isn't happening. You're not fooling anyone. Mmmm. Difference in interpretation. If I am playing a semantics game, then so are you. Lucy gave you carte blanche to continue to preach your point of view ad nauseum. She didn’t tell you to shut up. You could/can speak your pro-Trump/anti-Democrat views however you want to. Telling other people not to encourage you is certainly and most definitely not shutting you up. You could always ask our legal Peas if asking others not to engage/encourage would translate to censoring a third party in a court of law. This isn't a court of law, it's a message board where discussions take place. Telling others not to converse with one of the members is cutting them off from discussions and effectively silencing them. No matter how you want to slice and dice it. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 16, 2018 5:53:12 GMT
Mmmm. Difference in interpretation. If I am playing a semantics game, then so are you. Lucy gave you carte blanche to continue to preach your point of view ad nauseum. She didn’t tell you to shut up. You could/can speak your pro-Trump/anti-Democrat views however you want to. Telling other people not to encourage you is certainly and most definitely not shutting you up. You could always ask our legal Peas if asking others not to engage/encourage would translate to censoring a third party in a court of law. This isn't a court of law, it's a message board where discussions take place. Telling others not to converse with one of the members is cutting them off from discussions and effectively silencing them. No matter how you want to slice and dice it. I disagree, not as to whether this is a court or a message board, but that you were silenced. You weren’t. For example: you feel very free to discuss with Lucy on this thread. You are anything but silenced by Lucy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 6:00:08 GMT
This isn't a court of law, it's a message board where discussions take place. Telling others not to converse with one of the members is cutting them off from discussions and effectively silencing them. No matter how you want to slice and dice it. I disagree, not as to whether this is a court or a message board, but that you were silenced. You weren’t. For example: you feel very free to discuss with Lucy on this thread. You are anything but silenced by Lucy. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 16, 2018 6:05:27 GMT
I disagree, not as to whether this is a court or a message board, but that you were silenced. You weren’t. For example: you feel very free to discuss with Lucy on this thread. You are anything but silenced by Lucy. Okay. That makes it much clearer. |
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Post by lucyg on Jan 16, 2018 6:06:19 GMT
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Post by heather on Jan 17, 2018 0:18:22 GMT
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