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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 17, 2018 0:44:50 GMT
It’s been a long time since I have wanted to slap someone, but when she rolled her damn eyes at him, I saw red. Every damn day it’s something new and I will never forgive Trump supporters. Putin has been successful. Others were also not too happy with her attitude, eye rolling etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 0:59:31 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 18, 2018 1:19:42 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. Gaslighting again, per your usual deflecting and MO here.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 18, 2018 2:04:10 GMT
Don't feed into it papercrafteradvocate....I said ahhhh..eat my hat to myself to the gaslighter. Is that too tame or generic? Made me chuckle...she's making her rounds....
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Post by Merge on Jan 18, 2018 2:12:41 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. Snopes
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Post by lucyg on Jan 18, 2018 2:23:34 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. SnopesWell, it's always good to know who exactly is reading (and believing) the far-right-wing media. Also, who can't tell the difference between the language being used, and the sentiments behind the language being used. Two very different things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 2:26:16 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. SnopesThat's about the media, nothing about the peas in the article.
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Post by Merge on Jan 18, 2018 2:40:00 GMT
That's about the media, nothing about the peas in the article. Because you apparently can't read if it isn't spoon fed to you via The Daily Caller: what you are claiming happened, didn't happen. Context is everything. The outrage in the current case is not about the fact that the president used the word shithole; it's the context in which he did and the implications of what he was saying. Why would we show outrage over something that didn't happen? Just because you say we should? Sorry, I don't take orders from you and I can exercise critical thinking skills. You should look into that instead of hopping on the first Blaze article you think proves your point. It just makes you look stupid.
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Post by Merge on Jan 18, 2018 2:42:05 GMT
Well, it's always good to know who exactly is reading (and believing) the far-right-wing media. Also, who can't tell the difference between the language being used, and the sentiments behind the language being used. Two very different things. She can't think; she only knows what her conspiracy sites tell her. I'm over it. By all means, let's have some smart conservatives in here offering intelligent political debate. This endless stupidity is crazy-making.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 3:08:56 GMT
Well, it's always good to know who exactly is reading (and believing) the far-right-wing media. Also, who can't tell the difference between the language being used, and the sentiments behind the language being used. Two very different things. She can't think; she only knows what her conspiracy sites tell her. I'm over it. By all means, let's have some smart conservatives in here offering intelligent political debate. This endless stupidity is crazy-making. Intelligent political debate? Your name calling and insults are a really good start. You're such a shining example.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 18, 2018 3:54:49 GMT
She can't think; she only knows what her conspiracy sites tell her. I'm over it. By all means, let's have some smart conservatives in here offering intelligent political debate. This endless stupidity is crazy-making. Intelligent political debate? Your name calling and insults are a really good start. You're such a shining example. You think you’ve been any better? 🙄
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 18, 2018 4:54:35 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. So it seems Lucy was right about you. Your MO is all about derailing threads, and then deflecting when you get challenged. Good to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 5:34:53 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. So it seems Lucy was right about you. Your MO is all about derailing threads, and then deflecting when you get challenged. Good to know. Not parroting the group = derailing the thread. That's been pretty much the standard definition used to beat down anyone who messes up the endless loop of the group opinion.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 18, 2018 8:23:03 GMT
So it seems Lucy was right about you. Your MO is all about derailing threads, and then deflecting when you get challenged. Good to know. Not parroting the group = derailing the thread. That's been pretty much the standard definition used to beat down anyone who messes up the endless loop of the group opinion. Once again you make up shit that doesn’t reflect reality.
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Post by Merge on Jan 18, 2018 11:50:16 GMT
She can't think; she only knows what her conspiracy sites tell her. I'm over it. By all means, let's have some smart conservatives in here offering intelligent political debate. This endless stupidity is crazy-making. Intelligent political debate? Your name calling and insults are a really good start. You're such a shining example. You come on here at every opportunity to insult us by calling us hypocrites, but you're wrong every time because you don't bother to question what you read. You obviously see some misleading headline or outright lie on one of your favorite conspiracy sites, and then you think, "Oh, that's just like what they're complaining about over on the NSBR," and you rush back here to call us all hypocrites. Without bothering to look into what your site said to see if it's true or, if it is, if the context makes it a valid comparison. This complete lack of intellectual curiosity and critical thinking is Trump's hallmark. He's made it OK for the American public to think, "Oh, that sounds good and validates my personal biases, so it must be true." I read a tweet yesterday that claimed that David French from the National Review had written an article saying nuclear strikes weren't a big deal because they would mostly kill liberals in urban areas, and conservatives in rural areas/suburbs would be safe. I had two choices: I could rush over here and post about what the nasty conservatives are up to, or I could investigate. So I went to the NR site and looked up the article. While it's a fairly misguided article, it didn't remotely say what was claimed in the tweet. So I clicked away and went back to Twitter and unfollowed that person. I'm not interested in hearing lies - not ones that validate my viewpoint or ones that don't. You could have followed this same process with your assertion that Obama called Syria a shithole, but you didn't. Why is that? Spreading lies, whether to generate "discussion" or as potshots at people you don't like, doesn't serve our national discourse at all. If I post something here that is verifiably false, you should call me out on it. Because I will call you out on your lies every time.
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Post by Merge on Jan 18, 2018 11:51:17 GMT
So it seems Lucy was right about you. Your MO is all about derailing threads, and then deflecting when you get challenged. Good to know. Not parroting the group = derailing the thread. That's been pretty much the standard definition used to beat down anyone who messes up the endless loop of the group opinion. No. Posting lies = derailing the thread. If you've got a TRUE alternative opinion to post, great. Lies aren't helpful to anyone. I know you prefer to paint yourself as the victim, but it's simply not the case. Post things that are verifiably true and relevant in context to the discussion, and you'll probably get a different response.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 14:34:13 GMT
Well, it's always good to know who exactly is reading (and believing) the far-right-wing media. Also, who can't tell the difference between the language being used, and the sentiments behind the language being used. Two very different things. There is enormous difference (to thinking people) between "a shitshow IN Libya" (in reference to the war) and "a shithole" OF a country (in reference to the entirety of a country). But, you know, not all people understand grammar and language.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 15:09:34 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. So it seems Lucy was right about you. Your MO is all about derailing threads, and then deflecting when you get challenged. Good to know. That same MO is used by trump. People like that never evolve, they don't want to. They like to talk in circles and spin stories. It's a game. Don't feed the troll(s).
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 18, 2018 17:32:14 GMT
If I've learned anything the past few days it's that, in general, it seems there are a lot of people ignorant of the US's (and Canada's) complicity in Haiti's shitholiness.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 18, 2018 21:47:19 GMT
I just don't recall this much handwringing and outrage when Obama said the same thing about Libya. Funny, that double standard just keep rearing its ugly head. Libya is ONE country, not a whole continent with other countries added!
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 19, 2018 1:48:07 GMT
Well, it's always good to know who exactly is reading (and believing) the far-right-wing media. Also, who can't tell the difference between the language being used, and the sentiments behind the language being used. Two very different things. She can't think; she only knows what her conspiracy sites tell her. I'm over it. By all means, let's have some smart conservatives in here offering intelligent political debate. This endless stupidity is crazy-making. It's only crazy making if you can't ignore her. I wouldn’t be around anyone like her in real life so I surely won't interact with her on a message board. Of course I can totally ignore a ringing phone too.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 19, 2018 2:04:13 GMT
Not parroting the group = derailing the thread. That's been pretty much the standard definition used to beat down anyone who messes up the endless loop of the group opinion. No. Posting lies = derailing the thread. If you've got a TRUE alternative opinion to post, great. Lies aren't helpful to anyone. I know you prefer to paint yourself as the victim, but it's simply not the case. Post things that are verifiably true and relevant in context to the discussion, and you'll probably get a different response. It was the painting itself as a victim that provoked me to say something. It's patently ridiculous. I've been on the internet for a long time, in LOTS of different and varied internet communities, and one thing they ALL have in common is trolls. In the communities that are pretty established, obvious trolling and derailing of thread are handled exactly how Lucy suggested in that thread. By all participants not engaging them. Sometimes it happens after someone says something, and sometimes its just so blatant that it happens without it needing to be said. Its hardly silencing or shutting down someone, its simply a direct consequence of engaging in behavior that is clearly disruptive and unproductive. Playing victim when your posts consist mostly of blatant trolling, should rightfully be challenged.
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Post by Merge on Jan 19, 2018 2:15:25 GMT
No. Posting lies = derailing the thread. If you've got a TRUE alternative opinion to post, great. Lies aren't helpful to anyone. I know you prefer to paint yourself as the victim, but it's simply not the case. Post things that are verifiably true and relevant in context to the discussion, and you'll probably get a different response. It was the painting itself as a victim that provoked me to say something. It's patently ridiculous. I've been on the internet for a long time, in LOTS of different and varied internet communities, and one thing they ALL have in common is trolls. In the communities that are pretty established, obvious trolling and derailing of thread are handled exactly how Lucy suggested in that thread. By all participants not engaging them. Sometimes it happens after someone says something, and sometimes its just so blatant that it happens without it needing to be said. Its hardly silencing or shutting down someone, its simply a direct consequence of engaging in behavior that is clearly disruptive and unproductive. Playing victim when your posts consist mostly of blatant trolling, should rightfully be challenged. Normally I'm pretty good at ignoring them. After two days in the house due to ice on the roads, I was getting a little stir crazy! But yeah - the victim card has become super common here. It's so tiresome. Pointing out inaccuracies and lies is always seen as "silencing" the other side.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 19, 2018 2:25:13 GMT
It was the painting itself as a victim that provoked me to say something. It's patently ridiculous. I've been on the internet for a long time, in LOTS of different and varied internet communities, and one thing they ALL have in common is trolls. In the communities that are pretty established, obvious trolling and derailing of thread are handled exactly how Lucy suggested in that thread. By all participants not engaging them. Sometimes it happens after someone says something, and sometimes its just so blatant that it happens without it needing to be said. Its hardly silencing or shutting down someone, its simply a direct consequence of engaging in behavior that is clearly disruptive and unproductive. Playing victim when your posts consist mostly of blatant trolling, should rightfully be challenged. Normally I'm pretty good at ignoring them. After two days in the house due to ice on the roads, I was getting a little stir crazy! But yeah - the victim card has become super common here. It's so tiresome. Pointing out inaccuracies and lies is always seen as "silencing" the other side. LOL, been there. Some times its completely therapeutic to unleash. Its just aggravating that the playing victim comes, when its basically the inevitable result when you post in provocative, trolling manner. At least own your shit. I've started blocking people where its usually just counterproductive to read their stuff. Easier just to remove any temptation I feel to be a smartass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 19:48:58 GMT
Intelligent political debate? Your name calling and insults are a really good start. You're such a shining example. You come on here at every opportunity to insult us by calling us hypocrites, but you're wrong every time because you don't bother to question what you read. You obviously see some misleading headline or outright lie on one of your favorite conspiracy sites, and then you think, "Oh, that's just like what they're complaining about over on the NSBR," and you rush back here to call us all hypocrites. Without bothering to look into what your site said to see if it's true or, if it is, if the context makes it a valid comparison. This complete lack of intellectual curiosity and critical thinking is Trump's hallmark. He's made it OK for the American public to think, "Oh, that sounds good and validates my personal biases, so it must be true." I read a tweet yesterday that claimed that David French from the National Review had written an article saying nuclear strikes weren't a big deal because they would mostly kill liberals in urban areas, and conservatives in rural areas/suburbs would be safe. I had two choices: I could rush over here and post about what the nasty conservatives are up to, or I could investigate. So I went to the NR site and looked up the article. While it's a fairly misguided article, it didn't remotely say what was claimed in the tweet. So I clicked away and went back to Twitter and unfollowed that person. I'm not interested in hearing lies - not ones that validate my viewpoint or ones that don't. You could have followed this same process with your assertion that Obama called Syria a shithole, but you didn't. Why is that? Spreading lies, whether to generate "discussion" or as potshots at people you don't like, doesn't serve our national discourse at all. If I post something here that is verifiably false, you should call me out on it. Because I will call you out on your lies every time. Not from a conspiracy site. It was from the very Left leaning Atlantic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 21:40:33 GMT
You come on here at every opportunity to insult us by calling us hypocrites, but you're wrong every time because you don't bother to question what you read. You obviously see some misleading headline or outright lie on one of your favorite conspiracy sites, and then you think, "Oh, that's just like what they're complaining about over on the NSBR," and you rush back here to call us all hypocrites. Without bothering to look into what your site said to see if it's true or, if it is, if the context makes it a valid comparison. This complete lack of intellectual curiosity and critical thinking is Trump's hallmark. He's made it OK for the American public to think, "Oh, that sounds good and validates my personal biases, so it must be true." I read a tweet yesterday that claimed that David French from the National Review had written an article saying nuclear strikes weren't a big deal because they would mostly kill liberals in urban areas, and conservatives in rural areas/suburbs would be safe. I had two choices: I could rush over here and post about what the nasty conservatives are up to, or I could investigate. So I went to the NR site and looked up the article. While it's a fairly misguided article, it didn't remotely say what was claimed in the tweet. So I clicked away and went back to Twitter and unfollowed that person. I'm not interested in hearing lies - not ones that validate my viewpoint or ones that don't. You could have followed this same process with your assertion that Obama called Syria a shithole, but you didn't. Why is that? Spreading lies, whether to generate "discussion" or as potshots at people you don't like, doesn't serve our national discourse at all. If I post something here that is verifiably false, you should call me out on it. Because I will call you out on your lies every time. Not from a conspiracy site. It was from the very Left leaning Atlantic. Then when you share information either name your source or include a link. Or be clear it’s your opinion.
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Post by Merge on Jan 19, 2018 22:42:01 GMT
You come on here at every opportunity to insult us by calling us hypocrites, but you're wrong every time because you don't bother to question what you read. You obviously see some misleading headline or outright lie on one of your favorite conspiracy sites, and then you think, "Oh, that's just like what they're complaining about over on the NSBR," and you rush back here to call us all hypocrites. Without bothering to look into what your site said to see if it's true or, if it is, if the context makes it a valid comparison. This complete lack of intellectual curiosity and critical thinking is Trump's hallmark. He's made it OK for the American public to think, "Oh, that sounds good and validates my personal biases, so it must be true." I read a tweet yesterday that claimed that David French from the National Review had written an article saying nuclear strikes weren't a big deal because they would mostly kill liberals in urban areas, and conservatives in rural areas/suburbs would be safe. I had two choices: I could rush over here and post about what the nasty conservatives are up to, or I could investigate. So I went to the NR site and looked up the article. While it's a fairly misguided article, it didn't remotely say what was claimed in the tweet. So I clicked away and went back to Twitter and unfollowed that person. I'm not interested in hearing lies - not ones that validate my viewpoint or ones that don't. You could have followed this same process with your assertion that Obama called Syria a shithole, but you didn't. Why is that? Spreading lies, whether to generate "discussion" or as potshots at people you don't like, doesn't serve our national discourse at all. If I post something here that is verifiably false, you should call me out on it. Because I will call you out on your lies every time. Not from a conspiracy site. It was from the very Left leaning Atlantic. Yeah, I'm totally sure you dredged up that memory from an Atlantic article from two years ago, and your bringing it up has nothing to do with the false equivalencies on the subject made just last week on The Daily Caller and Breitbart. Regardless, you're missing the point, which is that the two incidents (Trump's and Obama's) are not remotely equivalent. The Atlantic reported what Obama said in context; the other sites I named pulled the Atlantic's words and drew a false equivalency, which you leapt over here to use as an insult.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 2:56:53 GMT
Not from a conspiracy site. It was from the very Left leaning Atlantic. Yeah, I'm totally sure you dredged up that memory from an Atlantic article from two years ago, and your bringing it up has nothing to do with the false equivalencies on the subject made just last week on The Daily Caller and Breitbart. Regardless, you're missing the point, which is that the two incidents (Trump's and Obama's) are not remotely equivalent. The Atlantic reported what Obama said in context; the other sites I named pulled the Atlantic's words and drew a false equivalency, which you leapt over here to use as an insult. I don't read breitbart or any conspiracy sites and it's been everywhere since the meltdown over Trump saying it, so your attempt to diminish the point by trashing the source is as desperate as it looks. Despite your spin, Obama did not virtuously call Libya a shitshow any more than Trump did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 3:01:38 GMT
Not from a conspiracy site. It was from the very Left leaning Atlantic. Then when you share information either name your source or include a link. Or be clear it’s your opinion. I made an observation on the outrage here about Obama calling Libya a shitshow. An observation doesn't need a source and neither does something that is common knowledge, as merge has shown. That was nothing more than a lame attempt at an unnecessary handslap. Your whole post was unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 3:32:55 GMT
Then when you share information either name your source or include a link. Or be clear it’s your opinion. I made an observation on the outrage here about Obama calling Libya a shitshow. An observation doesn't need a source and neither does something that is common knowledge, as merge has shown. That was nothing more than a lame attempt at an unnecessary handslap. Your whole post was unnecessary. Observations are based on facts. You offered nothing to back up your observation. You made the incorrect assumption that people were going to buy into your “observation” without questioning it. And this may come as a shock to you but while you may think something is common knowledge it imay not be to everyone else. I merely suggested a way to avoid what happened after you made your “observation” by suggesting you should/could have provided a source. The comment was like warning a child not to touch a hot stove so their fingers don’t get burned. But hey if you choose to see it as an unnecessary handslap that is your choice.
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