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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 1:16:37 GMT
Has anybody else heard the claim from an EMT saying they were prevented from going in to get the victims? He said they possibly could have saved lives if they'd been allowed in and being an experienced EMT, that was not normal procedure to not get covered by the police and go in and get them. And now not 1 deputy but 4 didn't go in and an anonymous source is saying they were told to stand down also. The claim is that they were told they couldn't go in without body cameras and they don't have them, so. I haven’t heard that, but if that is the case I wonder if had anything to do with the suspect not being caught, killed or contained? I don't know and its early in the information coming out, so more information will be illuminating, one way or the other. But, it isn't something we have heard before in any other of these cases. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 1:33:11 GMT
I haven't heard those particular stories, but I have to admit to giving only half an ear to the news right now. I do know, from personal experience as a 911 dispatcher and spouse of LEO, that it is not as simple as it seems to those outside the situation. I can't say I'm happy with how the overall EMS response was handled, but I also can't completely condemn them. True, that it's not as simple as it seems to us, but the complaint about how the retrieval of victims was handled came from an EMT in the situation. From your experience, what did they do wrong? I feel ill-equipped to give any sort of informed answer on this one specifically, but generally I know that even amongst the first responders there will be variances in how they individually feel about how things went down. There are, of course, rules that they can look at to determine if they were followed, but then there will be lessons they’ll learn from this incident in particular. For instance, all the outcry against the SRO may be warranted, and it may come out that he did exactly what they’re trained to do even if it flies in the face of humanity (this may have already come out — I’m just using it as an example.) It’s also worth remembering that just because someone is an EMT, officer, etc. and speaks out, doesn’t necessarily mean they know what’s right. I feel bad for all the EMS people who will be second-guessing themselves, some because the debriefs will require it for evaluation. They comprise another type of casualty of events like this. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 17:59:57 GMT
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 1, 2018 18:38:22 GMT
I'm so over Inslee and his crew  I've always found it interesting that when it comes to guns many people want them registered but when it comes to voting many people don't even want people to have to prove they legally eligible to vote or show id <sigh> |
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Post by jlynnbarth on Mar 1, 2018 19:41:07 GMT
I agree about Inslee! I'm ready for a change, but I'm sure that won't happen for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 21:05:34 GMT
I have not read the Tribune article yet, but OMG, don't get me started on this total bullsh!t with the ID cards in Illinois. Rahm Emanuel and Snopes are BOTH full of sh!t. The past 2 nights Tucker Carlson has had these ID card stories to start his show. A couple of days ago there was a Chicago Alderman saying that Illinois residents HAD to show proof of citizenship to register to vote, and the ID cards wouldn't qualify. This is a frickin' Alderman looking straight in the camera and telling an absolute lie. Illinois residents do NOT need to show proof of citizenship, but they do need a photo i.d. GUESS WHAT? These ID cards are PHOTO ID's. This story was on the news months ago when the ID cards were first announced. I was furious. I'm gonna call it like it is: Rahm Emanuel played some dirty politics with the Laquan McDonald shooting (for those that don't know, a Chicago cop shot Laquan McDonald 16 times, most of the shots fired after McDonald was on the ground), and that video was held back until after the election. I strongly believe he isn't going to have the support from the black community after that. People were horrified and pissed when the video was released, and then timelines completely contradict Emanuel's story of when he knew of the video (or the contents thereof). IMO now Emanuel is pandering to the Hispanic community. Which is where the ID cards come in. ***eta*** This is also where Emanuel declaring Chicago a sanctuary city comes into play also. Rahm Emanuel is a frickin' liar. GAH! I want OUT of this state so flippin' bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 21:24:53 GMT
I'm so over Inslee and his crew I've always found it interesting that when it comes to guns many people want them registered but when it comes to voting many people don't even want people to have to prove they legally eligible to vote or show id <sigh> Yes, different rules for things/people they agree with. Like this: Somehow, I think you're right. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 1, 2018 21:26:56 GMT
I wondered the same exact thing this morning when I heard that! |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 1, 2018 22:16:28 GMT
I agree about Inslee! I'm ready for a change, but I'm sure that won't happen for a long time. It won't, Seattle/King County holds all the power  |
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 2, 2018 2:21:15 GMT
I have not read the Tribune article yet, but OMG, don't get me started on this total bullsh!t with the ID cards in Illinois. Rahm Emanuel and Snopes are BOTH full of sh!t. The past 2 nights Tucker Carlson has had these ID card stories to start his show. A couple of days ago there was a Chicago Alderman saying that Illinois residents HAD to show proof of citizenship to register to vote, and the ID cards wouldn't qualify. This is a frickin' Alderman looking straight in the camera and telling an absolute lie. Illinois residents do NOT need to show proof of citizenship, but they do need a photo i.d. GUESS WHAT? These ID cards are PHOTO ID's. This story was on the news months ago when the ID cards were first announced. I was furious. This is why we in Chicago are not concerned about Russians meddling in our elections. We have our own election rigging system. |
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 2, 2018 3:18:35 GMT
What do you think of the tariff talk?
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Post by cade387 on Mar 2, 2018 3:40:46 GMT
What do you think of the tariff talk? I need to investigate more, but initial discussions at my work will cause us a lot of problems. Without going into too many details, it could cost me my job. Trying to soak it all in right now. |
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 2, 2018 4:07:26 GMT
What do you think of the tariff talk? I need to investigate more, but initial discussions at my work will cause us a lot of problems. Without going into too many details, it could cost me my job. Trying to soak it all in right now. it really seemed like it would hurt more than it helps (I live near Coors and a Budweiser plant) Coors says it will cost lots of jobs across the need industry alone Eta: I really hope you don't lose your job |
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Post by ntsf on Mar 2, 2018 4:35:35 GMT
The mainstream economists will tell you the tariffs will hurt the us economy over all. There are a small number of steel etc workers it may help and a huge number
of others it will hurt. It’s been tried before and it hurts big time. So another thing done without complete analysis and his own cabinet members opposed to it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 10:47:26 GMT
I have not read the Tribune article yet, but OMG, don't get me started on this total bullsh!t with the ID cards in Illinois. Rahm Emanuel and Snopes are BOTH full of sh!t. The past 2 nights Tucker Carlson has had these ID card stories to start his show. A couple of days ago there was a Chicago Alderman saying that Illinois residents HAD to show proof of citizenship to register to vote, and the ID cards wouldn't qualify. This is a frickin' Alderman looking straight in the camera and telling an absolute lie. Illinois residents do NOT need to show proof of citizenship, but they do need a photo i.d. GUESS WHAT? These ID cards are PHOTO ID's. This story was on the news months ago when the ID cards were first announced. I was furious. This is why we in Chicago are not concerned about Russians meddling in our elections. We have our own election rigging system. Ain't that the truth! |
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Post by lindas on Mar 2, 2018 13:35:42 GMT
I agree about Inslee! I'm ready for a change, but I'm sure that won't happen for a long time. It won't, Seattle/King County holds all the power It's like that in most states. If it weren't for Wilmington/New Castle Co Delaware would be a red state hands down. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:53:47 GMT
Governor Inslee vetoed the bill (WA State bill to exempt legislature from public disclosure.) I don't care for him as governor, but I'm glad he listened to the extreme pushback he was getting. Credit where credit is due! The legislature has the votes to override this veto, so now is the time to contact them. ETA: For my fellow Washingtonians, here is a link to find your legislators if you need it app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/ |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 2, 2018 17:37:29 GMT
Governor Inslee vetoed the bill (WA State bill to exempt legislature from public disclosure.) I don't care for him as governor, but I'm glad he listened to the extreme pushback he was getting. Credit where credit is due! The legislature has the votes to override this veto, so now is the time to contact them. ETA: For my fellow Washingtonians, here is a link to find your legislators if you need it app.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/I honestly didn't have faith that he would veto it, and I'm very glad he did!!! Kudos to him since he knows they can just re-vote it. But I have also heard that some that voted yes the first time will not vote for it again if it was vetoed. So fingers crossed it doesn't pass again and the people are listened to! |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 2, 2018 17:38:57 GMT
I have not read the Tribune article yet, but OMG, don't get me started on this total bullsh!t with the ID cards in Illinois. Rahm Emanuel and Snopes are BOTH full of sh!t. The past 2 nights Tucker Carlson has had these ID card stories to start his show. A couple of days ago there was a Chicago Alderman saying that Illinois residents HAD to show proof of citizenship to register to vote, and the ID cards wouldn't qualify. This is a frickin' Alderman looking straight in the camera and telling an absolute lie. Illinois residents do NOT need to show proof of citizenship, but they do need a photo i.d. GUESS WHAT? These ID cards are PHOTO ID's. This story was on the news months ago when the ID cards were first announced. I was furious. This is why we in Chicago are not concerned about Russians meddling in our elections. We have our own election rigging system. Sadly this is so very true Yes, we lived in Illinois for 5 years and saw it first hand! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 4, 2018 3:17:59 GMT
I think your statement does a disservice to what actually happened. He was brought onto the CMA board. Obviously he was successful at getting on the board, only to last less than a day. He quit. On his own accord. No one fired him or ousted him. Just as he holds his beliefs—so did others who stated theirs. Not one of those who shared their opposing beliefs bullied the man as he claimed. Many were saddened and/or spoke out because Huckabee was not tolerant and had hateful views towards LBGTQ, of which some CM artists identify. So, your statement echos what Fox is reporting, but it’s not exactly accurate, however your statement reeks of disdain for “the liberals”. Ironic, huh? |
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Post by cade387 on Mar 4, 2018 12:12:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 14:31:40 GMT
Meh. I don't think it's ha-ha funny, but I certainly don't think Trump was being serious about the U.S. changing its laws to allow for a lifetime president. I do believe his daily detractors are well aware of that, but it's necessary to keep the outrage front and center.
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Post by cade387 on Mar 5, 2018 16:44:18 GMT
Meh. I don't think it's ha-ha funny, but I certainly don't think Trump was being serious about the U.S. changing its laws to allow for a lifetime president. I do believe his daily detractors are well aware of that, but it's necessary to keep the outrage front and center. I’m talking about the people in the room who laughed at it |
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Post by thundergal on Mar 5, 2018 17:52:46 GMT
Meh. I don't think it's ha-ha funny, but I certainly don't think Trump was being serious about the U.S. changing its laws to allow for a lifetime president. I do believe his daily detractors are well aware of that, but it's necessary to keep the outrage front and center. Do you think this was a wise thing for him to say? I certainly don't feel any outrage as I've come to expect these type of statements from him, and trying to decipher truth/intent in the things he says seems a fools errand. But just because he CAN say anything he wants doesn't mean he should. That's a rule that applies to every single one of us. But in my opinion it certainly comes with more responsibility when we're talking about the President of the United States, doesn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 19:23:16 GMT
I think your statement does a disservice to what actually happened. He was brought onto the CMA board. Obviously he was successful at getting on the board, only to last less than a day. He quit. On his own accord. No one fired him or ousted him. Just as he holds his beliefs—so did others who stated theirs. Not one of those who shared their opposing beliefs bullied the man as he claimed. Many were saddened and/or spoke out because Huckabee was not tolerant and had hateful views towards LBGTQ, of which some CM artists identify. So, your statement echos what Fox is reporting, but it’s not exactly accurate, however your statement reeks of disdain for “the liberals”. Ironic, huh? He stepped down after a few hours when someone wrote a letter that condemed his appointment. Rather than compromise his beliefs, or cause any problems for the CMA, he chose to step down. He wasn't appointed to the governing board, it was a volunteer position in the charitable area, and he was to help get musical instruments for school children. And yes, you probably did hear a bit of disdain for liberals in my post. These days, people can't be white, men, a legal gun owner, or a Christian, and every day the English language loses more words that people can say without causing a rucus. All thanks to the liberal agenda. And you probably can't say that a distainful word against a conservative has ever been written on this forum from you--although I haven't looked it up.  I hope you have a wonderful day my dear! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 5, 2018 22:18:34 GMT
I think your statement does a disservice to what actually happened. He was brought onto the CMA board. Obviously he was successful at getting on the board, only to last less than a day. He quit. On his own accord. No one fired him or ousted him. Just as he holds his beliefs—so did others who stated theirs. Not one of those who shared their opposing beliefs bullied the man as he claimed. Many were saddened and/or spoke out because Huckabee was not tolerant and had hateful views towards LBGTQ, of which some CM artists identify. So, your statement echos what Fox is reporting, but it’s not exactly accurate, however your statement reeks of disdain for “the liberals”. Ironic, huh? He stepped down after a few hours when someone wrote a letter that condemed his appointment. Rather than compromise his beliefs, or cause any problems for the CMA, he chose to step down. He wasn't appointed to the governing board, it was a volunteer position in the charitable area, and he was to help get musical instruments for school children. And yes, you probably did hear a bit of disdain for liberals in my post. These days, people can't be white, men, a legal gun owner, or a Christian, and every day the English language loses more words that people can say without causing a rucus. All thanks to the liberal agenda. And you probably can't say that a distainful word against a conservative has ever been written on this forum from you--although I haven't looked it up. I hope you have a wonderful day my dear! So he did it on his own accord. And Because someone else expressed their thoughts and feelings about words and actions of his that hurt other humans. So unless I’m missing something, it’s perfectly fine to express your beliefs—-unless you are liberal. I think you missed the irony of your own post. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 22:45:13 GMT
He stepped down after a few hours when someone wrote a letter that condemed his appointment. Rather than compromise his beliefs, or cause any problems for the CMA, he chose to step down. He wasn't appointed to the governing board, it was a volunteer position in the charitable area, and he was to help get musical instruments for school children. And yes, you probably did hear a bit of disdain for liberals in my post. These days, people can't be white, men, a legal gun owner, or a Christian, and every day the English language loses more words that people can say without causing a rucus. All thanks to the liberal agenda. And you probably can't say that a distainful word against a conservative has ever been written on this forum from you--although I haven't looked it up. I hope you have a wonderful day my dear! So he did it on his own accord. And Because someone else expressed their thoughts and feelings about words and actions of his that hurt other humans. So unless I’m missing something, it’s perfectly fine to express your beliefs—-unless you are liberal. I think you missed the irony of your own post. I think it was you that missed the irony of your own post. |
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Post by mom on Mar 5, 2018 22:49:52 GMT
I agree. Do I think he meant it? No. Do you have to say everything 'joke' that comes to mind? No. He should have just kept his mouth shut. SaveSave |
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Post by dewryce on Mar 5, 2018 22:52:07 GMT
I agree. Do I think he meant it? No. Do you have to say everything 'joke' that comes to mind? No. He should have just kept his mouth shut. SaveSaveITA. Or tweet every inane thought that comes into his head. As the leader of our country he needs to learn to show some restraint. |
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