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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 15:50:01 GMT
Yeah, just a tad!
I don't even know what to say about the Russian interference anymore. Sadly, so many people on both sides have been shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- at the depth and scope of Russian meddling, but no one needed to be since it's what Russia does and has always done. This ain't new, kids, they just have better, modernized ways to try to get to us (and all other democratic countries, we are not alone in this by any stretch.) I was skimming some articles this morning and came across a title along the lines of "If your voters were swayed by Russian influence, they were never your voters." That got me to wondering what people are doing to try to insulate themselves against these Russian social media attacks, whether or not most people think they're personally vulnerable to the influence, etc.
So, my questions are, do {general} you think you are personally vulnerable to the social media influence? How? What can or are you doing to mitigate that vulnerability? What do you think our government can or should that they aren't already doing to combat it?
My answers to my own questions are no, I don't think I am particularly influenced by the social media attacks because of the way I do (and don't) use social media. I use Facebook, but have all ads blocked, have none of my friends in my feed, don't get anything political unless I seek it out which I don't do from any fringe sites. I think people need to get the hell off Twitter and anything Twitter-like. (I know that's not going to happen.) Unless we think the gov't should control and limit social media, I don't think there is much they can or should do about that aspect of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 16:11:22 GMT
Good question!
Slim chance for me to be influenced directly by social media. I might be one of the most disconnected people out there, lol. I don't use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram...none of it.
What I find unsettling about so much social media is the amount of misinformation spread at lightening speed, and the number of people that spread and share from unknown people that are just putting their opinions out there yet many seem to accept as fact. I used to be able to at least count on the news to report the NEWS. Now a lot of channels are nothing more than 24 hour opinion shows with some true basic facts sprinkled in now and then. It's scary when a person's perception of the facts changes when they change channels.
There's a lot of misinformation, gossip, speculation spread now, and it's not just coming from the Russians. People need to wake up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 16:29:06 GMT
I don't think Russia is the only country that has ever tried to influence an election. this article was from Dec 2016: www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.htmlI do use social media. I have children that live in different states, and using social media helps me to stay close to them, and see their activities. One time my son in law even put a whole soccer game on his facebook page, so we got to enjoy it with them! (live stream). I "know" my grandchildren's friends even though some I've never met. I see their activities. I know the movies they see! I see them with friends at Starbucks or how they interact with their college friends! It blesses me to see how they are living their lives, how they are growing up, making friends, and enjoying their lives!! I'm a part of it! There is also a lot of UGLY there. Same as on this board. Disagreements get out of hand, respect for different opinions fly out the windows sometimes! But to have the good part (first paragraph) I also have to see the second part, unfortunately. If you look at the world, it's not all unicorns and butterflies! Thankfully there is a BLOCK button on social media. Sometimes a block button would be good in other places!! I'm not on twitter, so don't know anything about it. As far as being vulnerable to social media influence. I guess anybody that uses it probably is! I like to think it is good for me to see how other people see the world. Since I live in a very culturally diverse neighborhood, I get to see a lot of different people interact with each other personally on a one to one basis. Most of our neighbors get along just fine. There is only one I'd like to have move elsewhere--and he's the white guy a few doors down and across the street!! Not sure why he's such a pain!!  He's ornery!! |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2018 16:37:22 GMT
Good question! Slim chance for me to be influenced directly by social media. I might be one of the most disconnected people out there, lol. I don't use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram...none of it. What I find unsettling about so much social media is the amount of misinformation spread at lightening speed, and the number of people that spread and share from unknown people that are just putting their opinions out there yet many seem to accept as fact. I used to be able to at least count on the news to report the NEWS. Now a lot of channels are nothing more than 24 hour opinion shows with some true basic facts sprinkled in now and then. It's scary when a person's perception of the facts changes when they change channels. There's a lot of misinformation, gossip, speculation spread now, and it's not just coming from the Russians. People need to wake up. If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 16:54:25 GMT
Good question! Slim chance for me to be influenced directly by social media. I might be one of the most disconnected people out there, lol. I don't use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram...none of it. What I find unsettling about so much social media is the amount of misinformation spread at lightening speed, and the number of people that spread and share from unknown people that are just putting their opinions out there yet many seem to accept as fact. I used to be able to at least count on the news to report the NEWS. Now a lot of channels are nothing more than 24 hour opinion shows with some true basic facts sprinkled in now and then. It's scary when a person's perception of the facts changes when they change channels. There's a lot of misinformation, gossip, speculation spread now, and it's not just coming from the Russians. People need to wake up. If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. I agree with you. And that's why it's important for people to realize what's opinion and malarkey. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 16:57:50 GMT
If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. Printed news is often slanted also. Unslanted "in-depth" journalism is getting harder and harder to find anywhere. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 20, 2018 17:21:23 GMT
If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. Printed news is often slanted also. Unslanted "in-depth" journalism is getting harder and harder to find anywhere. I think there’s a big difference between slanted and flat out made up. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 18:51:11 GMT
Good question! Slim chance for me to be influenced directly by social media. I might be one of the most disconnected people out there, lol. I don't use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram...none of it. What I find unsettling about so much social media is the amount of misinformation spread at lightening speed, and the number of people that spread and share from unknown people that are just putting their opinions out there yet many seem to accept as fact. I used to be able to at least count on the news to report the NEWS. Now a lot of channels are nothing more than 24 hour opinion shows with some true basic facts sprinkled in now and then. It's scary when a person's perception of the facts changes when they change channels. There's a lot of misinformation, gossip, speculation spread now, and it's not just coming from the Russians. People need to wake up. If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. Which sources have in-depth journalism that employ journalistic standards? |
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Post by peano on Feb 20, 2018 20:21:06 GMT
If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. Printed news is often slanted also. Unslanted "in-depth" journalism is getting harder and harder to find anywhere. I have to disagree. The intrepid and apparently tireless reporters at the Washington Post and New York Times have been turning out high quality, in-depth and well-researched news stories forever, but their value and excellence have really shown since the last election. |
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Post by peano on Feb 20, 2018 20:28:49 GMT
If I may say - TV news is crap. All stations, no matter which slant they have. We as Americans need to go back to reading and supporting written, in-depth journalism that has journalistic standards. What used to be called print journalism. We need to stop getting news from any source in sound bites and salacious headlines. Objective truth can be and is being reported. And it’s not that difficult to discern, particularly if you read multiple sources. Which sources have in-depth journalism that employ journalistic standards? |
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Post by thundergal on Feb 20, 2018 22:35:03 GMT
@peano That's a great article...thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 23:11:26 GMT
Thanks for the article, I haven't read it yet, but getting ready to. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:33:22 GMT
Thanks, peano, that's a good list!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 1:44:33 GMT
I just wanted to thank you again @scrubologist for starting this thread. I think once the dust settled and conservatives got to vent for a minute, the vibe has changed on the board, for the most part. Maybe attitudes have changed. There seems to be less personal attacks and more discussion going on. Am I the only one that feels that way?
Even though we're horrified, angry (sometimes with each other) and mourning AGAIN, I think discussion is happening here and everywhere. With everyone talking about and looking for solutions in all of the areas that need fixing, I think we're going to see real, and effective change with the gun situation. I have hope.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 2:48:53 GMT
You are most welcome, and I share your observation about the tone of the political threads these days. If this thread helped to facilitate that -- yay! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 3:16:22 GMT
I hope you are right Gia LuPeaA! |
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Post by scraphollie27 on Feb 25, 2018 18:50:27 GMT
It is the absence of caring people in these young persons' lives that creates the environment for breeding shooters no matter the gender of caring people. The people in this young man's life failed to meet his attachment needs and provide the love and care that all children deserve regardless if that care is provided by men or women or a combination of men and women. These are attachment issues not gender issues. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Feb 27, 2018 23:00:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 0:49:20 GMT
That IS good, I love it! What a good way to make a difference. |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 28, 2018 1:21:56 GMT
I think that is a really wonderful idea! And the two ideas, the protest and #whatsyour17, aren't mutually exclusive. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Feb 28, 2018 3:04:21 GMT
I think that is a really wonderful idea! And the two ideas, the protest and #whatsyour17, aren't mutually exclusive. I saw a video of some kids from somewhere in NorCal ~ perhaps Stockton ~ that were protesting by taking bats to car windshields and running through the mall. The video showed them laughing and having a great time. Three of them were arrested. ETA: Hit send too quickly. It's kids like that that will ruin peaceful protests for the good kids.  |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 28, 2018 3:08:34 GMT
I think that is a really wonderful idea! And the two ideas, the protest and #whatsyour17, aren't mutually exclusive. I saw a video of some kids from somewhere in NorCal ~ perhaps Stockton ~ that were protesting by taking bats to car windshields and running through the mall. The video showed them laughing and having a great time. Three of them were arrested.Good! To be clear, I was referring to the same walk-out protest his teacher was discussing with the class. |
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Post by jlynnbarth on Feb 28, 2018 5:48:04 GMT
I agree with Gia. The political threads have been so much easier to read for the last week or so. Actual conversation. So much better! Thank you to everyone participating that has started to listen to each other. It makes me hopeful that we as a country can find a middle ground and find solutions that everyone can live with. If the Peas can find a middle, so can the country.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 28, 2018 11:45:28 GMT
I think that is a really wonderful idea! And the two ideas, the protest and #whatsyour17, aren't mutually exclusive. I saw a video of some kids from somewhere in NorCal ~ perhaps Stockton ~ that were protesting by taking bats to car windshields and running through the mall. The video showed them laughing and having a great time. Three of them were arrested. ETA: Hit send too quickly. It's kids like that that will ruin peaceful protests for the good kids. That’s not a protest, that’s vandalism. I hope they all get caught and arrested. There’s no need for any of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:42:05 GMT
Has anybody else heard the claim from an EMT saying they were prevented from going in to get the victims? He said they possibly could have saved lives if they'd been allowed in and being an experienced EMT, that was not normal procedure to not get covered by the police and go in and get them. And now not 1 deputy but 4 didn't go in and an anonymous source is saying they were told to stand down also. The claim is that they were told they couldn't go in without body cameras and they don't have them, so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 20:28:06 GMT
Has anybody else heard the claim from an EMT saying they were prevented from going in to get the victims? He said they possibly could have saved lives if they'd been allowed in and being an experienced EMT, that was not normal procedure to not get covered by the police and go in and get them. And now not 1 deputy but 4 didn't go in and an anonymous source is saying they were told to stand down also. The claim is that they were told they couldn't go in without body cameras and they don't have them, so. I haven't heard those particular stories, but I have to admit to giving only half an ear to the news right now. I do know, from personal experience as a 911 dispatcher and spouse of LEO, that it is not as simple as it seems to those outside the situation. I can't say I'm happy with how the overall EMS response was handled, but I also can't completely condemn them. |
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 28, 2018 20:32:34 GMT
Has anybody else heard the claim from an EMT saying they were prevented from going in to get the victims? He said they possibly could have saved lives if they'd been allowed in and being an experienced EMT, that was not normal procedure to not get covered by the police and go in and get them. And now not 1 deputy but 4 didn't go in and an anonymous source is saying they were told to stand down also. The claim is that they were told they couldn't go in without body cameras and they don't have them, so. I haven’t heard that, but if that is the case I wonder if had anything to do with the suspect not being caught, killed or contained? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 1:14:41 GMT
Has anybody else heard the claim from an EMT saying they were prevented from going in to get the victims? He said they possibly could have saved lives if they'd been allowed in and being an experienced EMT, that was not normal procedure to not get covered by the police and go in and get them. And now not 1 deputy but 4 didn't go in and an anonymous source is saying they were told to stand down also. The claim is that they were told they couldn't go in without body cameras and they don't have them, so. I haven't heard those particular stories, but I have to admit to giving only half an ear to the news right now. I do know, from personal experience as a 911 dispatcher and spouse of LEO, that it is not as simple as it seems to those outside the situation. I can't say I'm happy with how the overall EMS response was handled, but I also can't completely condemn them. True, that it's not as simple as it seems to us, but the complaint about how the retrieval of victims was handled came from an EMT in the situation. From your experience, what did they do wrong? |
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