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Post by peano on Apr 5, 2018 16:45:46 GMT
I heard on the radio this morning that 1,000,000 illegals now have driver's licenses in CA. Fifteen years ago most people would have said this will NEVER happen. How many years before illegals will get to vote in CA? That is goal of the democrats in this state, getting all those votes.  I don’t understand why having illegal aliens get driver’s licenses is an issue. Wouldn’t you rather share the road with people whose driving skills have been vetted and adhere to your state standards? |
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Post by mom on Apr 5, 2018 16:49:59 GMT
I heard on the radio this morning that 1,000,000 illegals now have driver's licenses in CA. Fifteen years ago most people would have said this will NEVER happen. How many years before illegals will get to vote in CA? That is goal of the democrats in this state, getting all those votes. I don’t understand why having illegal aliens get driver’s licenses is an issue. Wouldn’t you rather share the road with people whose driving skills have been vetted and adhere to your state standards? Well, for me its a problem because the states have to maintain these roads that 1,000,000 more people are driving on that are not paying taxes that help maintain the roadways. And lets be honest - if the illegals are not adhering to state & federal standards and procedures to become a legal citizen then do we really think they will adhere to the state driving laws? |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 5, 2018 16:50:48 GMT
I heard on the radio this morning that 1,000,000 illegals now have driver's licenses in CA. Fifteen years ago most people would have said this will NEVER happen. How many years before illegals will get to vote in CA? That is goal of the democrats in this state, getting all those votes. I don’t understand why having illegal aliens get driver’s licenses is an issue. Wouldn’t you rather share the road with people whose driving skills have been vetted and adhere to your state standards? The fact that it happened against the will of the people of CA and that the agenda of the democrats is for them to get the right to vote is what is the issue. |
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Post by katieanna on Apr 5, 2018 16:51:43 GMT
If the democrats want the illegals then by all means, let them have them...AND let them foot the bill for them. They should be willing to put their money where their votes are. Taxpayers are paying for them, not the democrats. That's my point. Who wants to pay for people who aren't legal to be here in the first place? But if the dems (or whoever) vote for them to be here, let them pay for it. That's what I meant, anyway. |
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Post by katieanna on Apr 5, 2018 16:54:58 GMT
I heard on the radio this morning that 1,000,000 illegals now have driver's licenses in CA. Fifteen years ago most people would have said this will NEVER happen. How many years before illegals will get to vote in CA? That is goal of the democrats in this state, getting all those votes. I don’t understand why having illegal aliens get driver’s licenses is an issue. Wouldn’t you rather share the road with people whose driving skills have been vetted and adhere to your state standards? A driver's license is a privilege in this country only for those who are here legally. I guess that's what I don't understand with this whole issue. What about being "illegal" is so difficult to understand? Tell me what other country you can go to and obtain licenses, health care, etc., if you're not a legal citizen. |
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Post by LeaP on Apr 5, 2018 17:07:01 GMT
What radio station put out that 1,000,000 number?
I ask because I have been to my local DMV here in Los Angeles 9 times in two years helping my elderly neighbor get her driver's license back. That number seems really high, not to mention every single counter scans your thumb to avoid fraud. There are signs on every trash can warning about identity theft. From my observation, there are a lot of protocols followed when issuing a license.
Then again, you might want to boycott Bank of America because they give bank accounts to undocumented people. Being undocumented does not mean you are not an economically productive member of society.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 17:10:37 GMT
Then again, you might want to boycott Bank of America because they give bank accounts to undocumented people. Being undocumented does not mean you are not an economically productive member of society. Already do. Being undocumented means you are here illegally. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 5, 2018 17:11:10 GMT
What radio station put out that 1,000,000 number? I ask because I have been to my local DMV here in Los Angeles 9 times in two years helping my elderly neighbor get her driver's license back. That number seems really high, not to mention every single counter scans your thumb to avoid fraud. There are signs on every trash can warning about identity theft. From my observation, there are a lot of protocols followed when issuing a license. Then again, you might want to boycott Bank of America because they give bank accounts to undocumented people. Being undocumented does not mean you are not an economically productive member of society. It was on Armstrong and Getty on 650 KSTE. There was also an article in our local paper with that same number. I don't care if they have a bank account. What I care about is the fact that they DEMAND the rights of citizens when they came here illegally. |
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Post by mom on Apr 5, 2018 17:13:53 GMT
What radio station put out that 1,000,000 number?
I ask because I have been to my local DMV here in Los Angeles 9 times in two years helping my elderly neighbor get her driver's license back. That number seems really high, not to mention every single counter scans your thumb to avoid fraud. There are signs on every trash can warning about identity theft. From my observation, there are a lot of protocols followed when issuing a license. Then again, you might want to boycott Bank of America because they give bank accounts to undocumented people. Being undocumented does not mean you are not an economically productive member of society. No one is saying they are stealing identities. And not just a radio station. Here is a link to a news article about it from this morning.
And no one has said they are not economically productive members of society. And I have no trouble boycotting BOA for this. |
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Post by LeaP on Apr 5, 2018 17:28:56 GMT
Thank you for the fact check. I understand your objections, but I am still not convinced. I live in the epicenter of many of your objections and have yet to feel a need for crackdowns.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 5, 2018 18:04:58 GMT
Thank you for the fact check. I understand your objections, but I am still not convinced. I live in the epicenter of many of your objections and have yet to feel a need for crackdowns. What crackdowns are you talking about? Sanctuary city, state, deportations, not wanting illegals to vote, securing our borders, what? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 22:37:50 GMT
Thank you for the fact check. I understand your objections, but I am still not convinced. I live in the epicenter of many of your objections and have yet to feel a need for crackdowns. What crackdowns are you talking about? Sanctuary city, state, deportations, not wanting illegals to vote, securing our borders, what? I live in California and I'd LOVE to see crackdowns on all of the above. I can't believe people from other countries can come (illegally) into our country and get a driver's license and then vote in our elections. If we tried that in their home countries, we'd be thrown in jail I'm sure! |
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Post by peano on Apr 6, 2018 0:37:17 GMT
What crackdowns are you talking about? Sanctuary city, state, deportations, not wanting illegals to vote, securing our borders, what? I live in California and I'd LOVE to see crackdowns on all of the above. I can't believe people from other countries can come (illegally) into our country and get a driver's license and then vote in our elections. If we tried that in their home countries, we'd be thrown in jail I'm sure! From just very basic research I did in relation to this thread, illegal aliens cannot vote in federal elections and there are safeguards in place to prevent this. I stand by my view that I would much rather share the road with people whose driving knowledge and skills have been assessed in accord with my state's standards. Do some of these illegal aliens violate driving laws--undoubtedly. So do I. Every day. I typically exceed the speed limit by 5 mph or so. |
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 6, 2018 0:44:40 GMT
I don’t understand why having illegal aliens get driver’s licenses is an issue. Wouldn’t you rather share the road with people whose driving skills have been vetted and adhere to your state standards? Well, for me its a problem because the states have to maintain these roads that 1,000,000 more people are driving on that are not paying taxes that help maintain the roadways. And lets be honest - if the illegals are not adhering to state & federal standards and procedures to become a legal citizen then do we really think they will adhere to the state driving laws? In our state the fees paid to the DMV to register the car, get a drivers license, and taxes on gas go to maintain roads. So, in our state they are paying for road maintenance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 0:50:56 GMT
I live in California and I'd LOVE to see crackdowns on all of the above. I can't believe people from other countries can come (illegally) into our country and get a driver's license and then vote in our elections. If we tried that in their home countries, we'd be thrown in jail I'm sure! From just very basic research I did in relation to this thread, illegal aliens cannot vote in federal elections and there are safeguards in place to prevent this. I stand by my view that I would much rather share the road with people whose driving knowledge and skills have been assessed in accord with my state's standards. Do some of these illegal aliens violate driving laws--undoubtedly. So do I. Every day. I typically exceed the speed limit by 5 mph or so. You break laws, they break laws, we all break laws! That's fabulous. Let's lower our standards and let anarchy rule! Yes, I know this is snarky, but are you seriously saying that you don't mind if others break laws because you do it, too? |
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Post by mom on Apr 6, 2018 1:32:33 GMT
I live in California and I'd LOVE to see crackdowns on all of the above. I can't believe people from other countries can come (illegally) into our country and get a driver's license and then vote in our elections. If we tried that in their home countries, we'd be thrown in jail I'm sure! From just very basic research I did in relation to this thread, illegal aliens cannot vote in federal elections and there are safeguards in place to prevent this. I stand by my view that I would much rather share the road with people whose driving knowledge and skills have been assessed in accord with my state's standards. Do some of these illegal aliens violate driving laws--undoubtedly. So do I. Every day. I typically exceed the speed limit by 5 mph or so. I can respect your opinion. I just have a different one. |
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Post by peano on Apr 6, 2018 2:12:54 GMT
From just very basic research I did in relation to this thread, illegal aliens cannot vote in federal elections and there are safeguards in place to prevent this. I stand by my view that I would much rather share the road with people whose driving knowledge and skills have been assessed in accord with my state's standards. Do some of these illegal aliens violate driving laws--undoubtedly. So do I. Every day. I typically exceed the speed limit by 5 mph or so. You break laws, they break laws, we all break laws! That's fabulous. Let's lower our standards and let anarchy rule! Yes, I know this is snarky, but are you seriously saying that you don't mind if others break laws because you do it, too? No, I'm seriously saying that there is the idea floated on this thread that illegal aliens are rampantly disobeying traffic laws because they entered the country illegally. I'm seriously saying that I do not believe that there is a correlation between the two. In fact, in today's political climate, I would think that illegal aliens are highly motivated to avoid drawing attention to themselves through traffic violations to avoid deportation. And finally, I'm seriously saying "let he who is without sin throw the first stone." So if you (meaning people who have commented on this topic on this thread) have never exceeded the speed limit, have never done an incomplete stop at a stop sign at 2 a.m., or implemented a turn without turning on your turn signal, well then I guess rock on with your McJudgypants. We all either do it, or know people who commit these minor violations every day and guess what, anarchy doesn't really seem to reign. |
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 6, 2018 2:33:33 GMT
oregon parks are nice cause they have a dedicated vehicle tax that supports them (I believe). one problem with gas taxes/road repair is that with the increase in hybrid and electric vehicles, there are more cars driving miles and not paying any or little gas tax. hey, it only took WA state over a 100 yrs to build the north cascades highway.... our city has local commissions that monitor bond funds.. to be sure that the bond money is spent wisely and on what it was promised for.. maybe the state could add such. our schools have all been upgraded to be earthquake safe, our hospitals are being rebuilt or replaced.. and all our libraries have been remodeled to be safe.. good use of my tax money. Say, you all down there should try what we all up here are doing! We're piloting this nifty-swifty thing called Pay-Per-Mile. It's a fabulous program in which they slap a GPS on your car, and you pay the low, low price of 2.4 cents per mile. It's so cool! They can track everything this way -- where you go, when you went there, how fast you did it -- why, just about everything. If you don't like the GPS idea, you can pre-pay a certain amount for a set number of miles. Or you can take pictures of your odometer. There will be new jobs, new levels of bureaucracy, the whole enchilada! I mean, it's not like we already had a system in place to pay for roads and a way to collect more money when needed. (if my sarcasm isn't obvious in the above, please know that I really think this is a shitty, intrusive, freedom-suck)colorado floated that idea. What a crappy idea |
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Post by katieanna on Apr 6, 2018 2:35:33 GMT
You break laws, they break laws, we all break laws! That's fabulous. Let's lower our standards and let anarchy rule! Yes, I know this is snarky, but are you seriously saying that you don't mind if others break laws because you do it, too? No, I'm seriously saying that there is the idea floated on this thread that illegal aliens are rampantly disobeying traffic laws because they entered the country illegally. I'm seriously saying that I do not believe that there is a correlation between the two. In fact, in today's political climate, I would think that illegal aliens are highly motivated to avoid drawing attention to themselves through traffic violations to avoid deportation. And finally, I'm seriously saying "let he who is without sin throw the first stone." So if you (meaning people who have commented on this topic on this thread) have never exceeded the speed limit, have never done an incomplete stop at a stop sign at 2 a.m., or implemented a turn without turning on your turn signal, well then I guess rock on with your McJudgypants. We all either do it, or know people who commit these minor violations every day and guess what, anarchy doesn't really seem to reign. Wow, you missed comprehending what's been said in the above posts by about a mile. I don't care if the illegals obey every single traffic law in the book. They entered the country ILLEGALLY, they're living here ILLEGALLY, they have no more right to a driver's license than a 10-yr-old because they're here ILLEGALLY. So, either you don't understand the meaning of the word(s) ILLEGAL/ILLEGALLY or you're just deflecting. My bet is on you're deflecting because I can't believe you're that obtuse to have missed the point of the last page of this thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 2:54:10 GMT
Whether or not it's true that one crime makes it more likely there will be subsequent crimes isn't relevant to the point you make that one type of crime is acceptable if you feel like you're in the majority.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 6, 2018 23:47:39 GMT
What crackdowns are you talking about? Sanctuary city, state, deportations, not wanting illegals to vote, securing our borders, what? I live in California and I'd LOVE to see crackdowns on all of the above. I can't believe people from other countries can come (illegally) into our country and get a driver's license and then vote in our elections. If we tried that in their home countries, we'd be thrown in jail I'm sure! Since Washington always has to out do California, Seattle is now paying to defend people here illegally from deportation. I wonder if we all head to Canada if they will do the same for us - caravan any one   |
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Post by peano on Apr 7, 2018 0:57:09 GMT
No, I'm seriously saying that there is the idea floated on this thread that illegal aliens are rampantly disobeying traffic laws because they entered the country illegally. I'm seriously saying that I do not believe that there is a correlation between the two. In fact, in today's political climate, I would think that illegal aliens are highly motivated to avoid drawing attention to themselves through traffic violations to avoid deportation. And finally, I'm seriously saying "let he who is without sin throw the first stone." So if you (meaning people who have commented on this topic on this thread) have never exceeded the speed limit, have never done an incomplete stop at a stop sign at 2 a.m., or implemented a turn without turning on your turn signal, well then I guess rock on with your McJudgypants. We all either do it, or know people who commit these minor violations every day and guess what, anarchy doesn't really seem to reign. Wow, you missed comprehending what's been said in the above posts by about a mile. I don't care if the illegals obey every single traffic law in the book. They entered the country ILLEGALLY, they're living here ILLEGALLY, they have no more right to a driver's license than a 10-yr-old because they're here ILLEGALLY. So, either you don't understand the meaning of the word(s) ILLEGAL/ILLEGALLY or you're just deflecting. My bet is on you're deflecting because I can't believe you're that obtuse to have missed the point of the last page of this thread. Nope. Not missing the point at all. I guess the powers that be in your state decided that it was more beneficial to everyone in the state to have people who had been vetted to meet state driving standards rather than having a ton of unlicensed drivers on the roads. I guess the decision was made that public safety outweighed political ideology. Maybe y'all need a march, LOL!  |
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Post by megop on Apr 7, 2018 2:02:22 GMT
I don’t understand why having illegal aliens get driver’s licenses is an issue. Wouldn’t you rather share the road with people whose driving skills have been vetted and adhere to your state standards? Well, for me its a problem because the states have to maintain these roads that 1,000,000 more people are driving on that are not paying taxes that help maintain the roadways. And lets be honest - if the illegals are not adhering to state & federal standards and procedures to become a legal citizen then do we really think they will adhere to the state driving laws? While one might think this, but taking it a bit further it really sort of depends how each state funds their infrastructure right? Just because someone is undocumented, doesn't mean they don't pay sales taxes, or gas taxes, two mechanisms which in many states, are how they fund their highway infrastructures. I personally do not make a direct link at someone ignoring immigration laws to be someone who automatically ignores all laws. That just isn't accurate. |
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Post by megop on Apr 7, 2018 3:02:44 GMT
Wow, you missed comprehending what's been said in the above posts by about a mile. I don't care if the illegals obey every single traffic law in the book. They entered the country ILLEGALLY, they're living here ILLEGALLY, they have no more right to a driver's license than a 10-yr-old because they're here ILLEGALLY. So, either you don't understand the meaning of the word(s) ILLEGAL/ILLEGALLY or you're just deflecting. My bet is on you're deflecting because I can't believe you're that obtuse to have missed the point of the last page of this thread. Nope. Not missing the point at all. I guess the powers that be in your state decided that it was more beneficial to everyone in the state to have people who had been vetted to meet state driving standards rather than having a ton of unlicensed drivers on the roads. I guess the decision was made that public safety outweighed political ideology. Maybe y'all need a march, LOL!  This, this, this. While each of us can look at what the ethics of laws should be, state government leaders are also in charge of budget which when you have a high number of undocumented workers providing either cheaper labor, or a significant contribution to the bottom line state revenue, it effects the "talk" legislative action for show, vs. the "action" legislative action that ultimately passes. |
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Post by LeaP on Apr 7, 2018 5:17:18 GMT
Thank you for the fact check. I understand your objections, but I am still not convinced. I live in the epicenter of many of your objections and have yet to feel a need for crackdowns. What crackdowns are you talking about? Sanctuary city, state, deportations, not wanting illegals to vote, securing our borders, what? None, I favor a path to citizenship. I have lived my entire adult life in immigrant communities in NYC, Los Angeles, Canada and New Zealand. I'm OK with migration. I'm one of the 47% of white women that did not vote for Trump, so I really should not be posting on your thread. I hope I did not offend. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 7, 2018 8:57:59 GMT
What crackdowns are you talking about? Sanctuary city, state, deportations, not wanting illegals to vote, securing our borders, what? None, I favor a path to citizenship. I have lived my entire adult life in immigrant communities in NYC, Los Angeles, Canada and New Zealand. I'm OK with migration. I'm one of the 47% of white women that did not vote for Trump, so I really should not be posting on your thread. I hope I did not offend. Many of us here did not vote for Trump  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 14:16:54 GMT
Many of us here did not vote for Trump True! eta: like me! |
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Post by megop on Apr 7, 2018 23:55:19 GMT
Many of us here did not vote for Trump True! eta: like me! Same here. The man is one hot mess. While I absolutely disagreed with President Obama’s platform quite a bit of the time, I never thought he didn’t have the best interests of the country at heart. To me, Trump cares about Trump and “winning” when a majority of the time, the best legislative course means no one side “wins.” |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 1:07:15 GMT
Same here. The man is one hot mess. While I absolutely disagreed with President Obama’s platform quite a bit of the time, I never thought he didn’t have the best interests of the country at heart. To me, Trump cares about Trump and “winning” when a majority of the time, the best legislative course means no one side “wins.” I didn't agree with almost anything President Obama did, and I couldn't in good consious vote for Hillary either. Never.could.have. But it really didn't matter because Hillary received the electoral votes from California without my vote for her. |
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Post by megop on Apr 8, 2018 1:34:59 GMT
Same here. The man is one hot mess. While I absolutely disagreed with President Obama’s platform quite a bit of the time, I never thought he didn’t have the best interests of the country at heart. To me, Trump cares about Trump and “winning” when a majority of the time, the best legislative course means no one side “wins.” I didn't agree with almost anything President Obama did, and I couldn't in good consious vote for Hillary either. Never.could.have. But it really didn't matter because Hillary received the electoral votes from California without my vote for her. You may disagree, but I still absolutely believe the electoral college is still needed. If it wasn’t there, less dense mostly rural states, would have less respresentation in entirety. |
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