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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 10, 2018 15:55:28 GMT
Well, the people who wrote the Constitution upheld slavery. However, that didn't stop us from changing that. I find people tend to shift on and off the "intent of the founders" argument depending on whether they believe in the particular issue at hand. Interesting. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:31:04 GMT
No need to reply to this--just an observation: It amazes me daily how the opposition to Trump verges on hysteria--and I'm not one of his supporters. I don't intend on defending him. I just think it's sad what is becoming of our country.
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Post by gale w on Apr 10, 2018 18:48:54 GMT
No need to reply to this--just an observation: It amazes me daily how the opposition to Trump verges on hysteria--and I'm not one of his supporters. I don't intend on defending him. I just think it's sad what is becoming of our country. Like this? link
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 20:01:35 GMT
No need to reply to this--just an observation: It amazes me daily how the opposition to Trump verges on hysteria--and I'm not one of his supporters. I don't intend on defending him. I just think it's sad what is becoming of our country. Like this? linkanother weirdo coming out of the woodwork. That is sick!
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Post by betty on Apr 10, 2018 20:12:32 GMT
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Post by megop on Apr 10, 2018 20:34:16 GMT
The census is to count ALL residents, not just citizens. There are many people living in our country who are not citizens but are here legally and all need to be counted. But, Congress is made to give representation to citizens. So people may be here legally but not entitled to have a say in who sits in Congress or to have the number of representatives a state has in Congress by those who are here illegally. It's also use to determine federal funding. So in effect, a state that declares itself a sanctuary state invites thousands of illegals into their state and then looks to get federal money to support them. Not cool. Correct, but since the FEDS did not enforce immigration laws effectively, then the state economy should suffer? The California AG is saying California would be disproportionately effected. Not necessarily making it all about representation from what I've read. Two different things.
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Post by #notLauren on Apr 10, 2018 21:15:17 GMT
But, Congress is made to give representation to citizens. So people may be here legally but not entitled to have a say in who sits in Congress or to have the number of representatives a state has in Congress by those who are here illegally. It's also use to determine federal funding. So in effect, a state that declares itself a sanctuary state invites thousands of illegals into their state and then looks to get federal money to support them. Not cool. Correct, but since the FEDS did not enforce immigration laws effectively, then the state economy should suffer? The California AG is saying California would be disproportionately effected. Not necessarily making it all about representation from what I've read. Two different things. California has brought about it's own problems by declaring itself a haven and refusing to assist ICE. If California is disproportionately affected, I have no sympathy. They are like the proverbial person who kills his parents and then asks the court for mercy because he's an orphan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 21:23:10 GMT
But, Congress is made to give representation to citizens. So people may be here legally but not entitled to have a say in who sits in Congress or to have the number of representatives a state has in Congress by those who are here illegally. It's also use to determine federal funding. So in effect, a state that declares itself a sanctuary state invites thousands of illegals into their state and then looks to get federal money to support them. Not cool. Correct, but since the FEDS did not enforce immigration laws effectively, then the state economy should suffer? The California AG is saying California would be disproportionately effected. Not necessarily making it all about representation from what I've read. Two different things. This from the Census Bureau .... “Public Law 94-171, enacted by Congress in December 1975, requires the Census Bureau to provide state legislatures with the small area census population tabulations necessary for legislative redistricting. The law also specifies: The states choosing to participate in this voluntary program will define the small areas for which specific data tabulations are desired and submit these areas following timelines established by the Census Bureau. These small areas include census block boundaries, voting districts, and state legislative districts. The Census Bureau must transmit the total population tabulations to the states within one year of census day, customarily April 1 of the year following the census. The 2010 Census Redistricting Data Program provided states the opportunity to delineate voting and state legislative districts and to suggest census block boundaries for use in the 2010 Census redistricting data tabulations (Public Law 94-171 Redistricting Data File). The program also ensured continued dialogue with the states in regard to 2010 Census planning, thereby allowing states ample time for planning, response, and participation. To read more about the 2010 Census Redistricting Data Program, view the other pages of our website and check out our publication:” linkAnd this from the Washington Times in 2016 may answer why California and other states are suing the Census Bureau about adding that question. “Supreme Court rules in redistricting case: Illegal immigrants can be counted“From the article... A unanimous Supreme Court ruled Monday that illegal immigrants and other noncitizens can be counted when states draw their legislative districts, shooting down a challenge by Texas residents who said their own voting power was being diluted. The ruling does not grant noncitizens the power to vote, but says the principle of one person, one vote doesn’t require localities to only count those who are actually eligible to vote when they are deciding how many people to put inside of each district. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, writing for the court, said even though only eligible voters are supposed to cast ballots, elected officials represent all people within their districts, and it is that act of representation, not the election itself, that the boundaries are drawn to.
“As the Framers of the Constitution and the Fourteenth Amendment comprehended, representatives serve all residents, not just those eligible or registered to vote,” she wrote. “Nonvoters have an important stake in many policy debates — children, their parents, even their grandparents, for example, have a stake in a strong public-education system — and in receiving constituent services, such as help navigating public-benefits bureaucracies.” Hispanic groups hailed the ruling as a victory for their own political power, saying it ensured Latinos continue to earn representation even if they don’t have the right to vote. But conservatives and those who want to see a crackdown on illegal immigration said the ruling could entice even more communities to become sanctuary cities, shielding illegal immigrants in an attempt to attract more nonvoters and build their political clout. Texas residents had challenged the way districts were drawn in their state, saying that because they ended up in districts with more eligible voters, their vote counted less than someone in another district.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 10, 2018 22:10:43 GMT
betty Texas Councilwoman Charged with Misdemeanor After Yelling Obscenities at a Teen Wearing a Trump Shirt Kellye Burke Totally unacceptable for several reasons! 1. Everyone should be allowed to wear tee shirts with words, slogans, whatever. I think it is wrong for profanity or threats, but that is my opinion. 2. We should be pleased that young people are choosing to get involved whether we agree with them or not. 3. No one should randomly yell at another person's child unless that child is in imminent danger and/or needs to be warned for their or someone else's safety.
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Post by betty on Apr 11, 2018 1:07:52 GMT
betty Texas Councilwoman Charged with Misdemeanor After Yelling Obscenities at a Teen Wearing a Trump Shirt Kellye Burke Totally unacceptable for several reasons! 1. Everyone should be allowed to wear tee shirts with words, slogans, whatever. I think it is wrong for profanity or threats, but that is my opinion. 2. We should be pleased that young people are choosing to get involved whether we agree with them or not. 3. No one should randomly yell at another person's child unless that child is in imminent danger and/or needs to be warned for their or someone else's safety. On that we can agree. I hope anger management class is in her near future.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 4:14:17 GMT
What do you think about Diamond and Silk? I think they are hilarious. Facebook is censoring them as a threat? (they are conservative.)
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 11, 2018 19:12:39 GMT
I am appalled that Diamond and Silk are being shut down by Facebook. I think they're hilarious too. Censoring/banning voices of opposing viewpoints is the absolute definition of fascism and FB removing people they don't like because they're deemed "unsafe" is just like book burning in the past. Completely fascist. FB seems to be trying to walk it back a little but it's too late now, they've shown their true selves in this.
ETA - Facebook says now it's all a big misunderstanding and they aren't shutting D & S down. I just checked and their page is still up, so I will give FB the benefit of the doubt. I still think FB has too much power in silencing those they don't agree with and promoting those they do but that's another topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 3:23:12 GMT
Zuckerberg or whatever his name is said that the Diamond and Silk situation has been taken care of and that they've been in touch with Diamond and Silk. --and they also said it was an accident by Facebook administrators that Diamond and Silk were sanctioned by Facebook. Diamond and Silk were just on Laura Ingram and they said they haven't been notified by anyone from Facebook., and people are still having problems with their page. Was Zuckerburg under oath? Did he lie to Congress?
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Apr 12, 2018 11:14:43 GMT
This morning I was able to go to Diamond and Silk's Facebook page.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 14:20:36 GMT
This morning I was able to go to Diamond and Silk's Facebook page. Apparently you can go there, but their content has been compromised. As of last night, they posted they haven't heard from facebook, and people were still having problems with the content on their page, or commenting on their page, or liking their page. He stated in his testimony that the problem had been taken care of, and that it was an "administrative mistake" to begin with, and that they had contacted Diamond and Silk--none of that happened.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Apr 12, 2018 14:25:36 GMT
This morning I was able to go to Diamond and Silk's Facebook page. Apparently you can go there, but their content has been compromised. As of last night, they posted they haven't heard from facebook, and people were still having problems with the content on their page, or commenting on their page, or liking their page. He stated in his testimony that the problem had been taken care of, and that it was an "administrative mistake" to begin with, and that they had contacted Diamond and Silk--none of that happened. Oh ok.
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Post by mom on Apr 12, 2018 14:27:56 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)?
My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 15:36:26 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. I'm not going to miss him much. He talked a good game when he was running, but after this Omnibus bill has passed, I don't believe anything he ever said. I also think Steve Scalise would be the next in line--if the Republicans don't lose too many members with this next election. It could be pretty close.
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Post by mom on Apr 12, 2018 15:39:27 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. I'm not going to miss him much. He talked a good game when he was running, but after this Omnibus bill has passed, I don't believe anything he ever said. I also think Steve Scalise would be the next in line--if the Republicans don't lose too many members with this next election. It could be pretty close. oh, I am no fan of Ryan. I agree that its going to be really close for Republicans....and I would not be surprised at all if they lose more than they are predicting.
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Post by PLurker on Apr 12, 2018 16:19:43 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. I live in his district and he has lost a lot of support and he wouldn't be a shoo-in like he has been in the past. Not even close. There is some talk of him wanting to run for governor in the future. Madison is just a hop, skip from Janesville. But it's just talk at this point. That being said, the GOP better get better candidates because the top republican candidate to replace Ryan (was going to oppose Ryan) has become pretty open white supremacist. He seemed to be more on the down low before the presidential election. As far as Speaker of the House I think it's too early to tell. A lot can happen in nine months.
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 12, 2018 17:18:17 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. Steve Scalise and Kevin McCarthy are the only names I'm hearing. Neither seems to have a lock on the job yet but both have been actively campaigning for it. This Fox story also mentions Mark Meadows and Patrick McHenry as possibilities.
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Post by mom on Apr 12, 2018 17:24:08 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. I live in his district and he has lost a lot of support and he wouldn't be a shoo-in like he has been in the past. Not even close. There is some talk of him wanting to run for governor in the future. Madison is just a hop, skip from Janesville. But it's just talk at this point. That being said, the GOP better get better candidates because the top republican candidate to replace Ryan (was going to oppose Ryan) has become pretty open white supremacist. He seemed to be more on the down low before the presidential election.
As far as Speaker of the House I think it's too early to tell. A lot can happen in nine months. oh good Lord, we don't need that. I need to start researching who is looking to be the up and coming...I agree, the Republicans better get some better candidates.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 12, 2018 17:47:02 GMT
No need to reply to this--just an observation: It amazes me daily how the opposition to Trump verges on hysteria--and I'm not one of his supporters. I don't intend on defending him. I just think it's sad what is becoming of our country. This is why I prefer to visit this thread then some of the others. It's ridiculous that every thing Trump does or says is an issue. If someone else did the same or similar in the past there is always an excuse or reason why it was different. I also hope that the Republicans get some better more electable candidates soon. Not because I'm a republican, but because I prefer more balance. I don't like one party to have too much control because I do want compromise.
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Post by katieanna on Apr 12, 2018 21:45:50 GMT
My bad I didn't fully explain. I'm referring to how lawmakers "talk" and take effective "action" regarding immigration laws. What use is it to make a law that ultimately doesn't received enough funding to enforce? To me, the "toughening on immigration" is just talk by legislators because action would screw up their state's economy and they know it. I've learned, over the years, that politicians will say anything to get themselves elected. After they are elected they seem to have selective memory loss. (both sides here). Sorry, I'm late getting back to this. Thanks for taking the time to explain, megop. I understand and agree. It seems that the only thing politician are held accountable for these days is elicit affairs. Everything else, like running the country/state, doesn't matter. They should be held accountable for that first and foremost.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 23:45:38 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. Steve Scalise and Kevin McCarthy are the only names I'm hearing. Neither seems to have a lock on the job yet but both have been actively campaigning for it. This Fox story also mentions Mark Meadows and Patrick McHenry as possibilities. I've seen Jim Jordan mentioned also.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 0:13:17 GMT
So whats everyone's thoughts on Paul Ryan leaving the Senate in January? Who do you think will replace him (assuming its still Republican controlled)? My initial thought is that he doesn't want to risk losing, and lets face it, I don't think he is a shoo-in like before. I also think he could be contemplating running for President or Vice President. I think Steve Scalise would be next in line for Ryans' job. I live in his district and he has lost a lot of support and he wouldn't be a shoo-in like he has been in the past. Not even close. There is some talk of him wanting to run for governor in the future. Madison is just a hop, skip from Janesville. But it's just talk at this point. That being said, the GOP better get better candidates because the top republican candidate to replace Ryan (was going to oppose Ryan) has become pretty open white supremacist. He seemed to be more on the down low before the presidential election. As far as Speaker of the House I think it's too early to tell. A lot can happen in nine months. Who is this person?
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Post by PLurker on Apr 13, 2018 0:56:50 GMT
I live in his district and he has lost a lot of support and he wouldn't be a shoo-in like he has been in the past. Not even close. There is some talk of him wanting to run for governor in the future. Madison is just a hop, skip from Janesville. But it's just talk at this point. That being said, the GOP better get better candidates because the top republican candidate to replace Ryan (was going to oppose Ryan) has become pretty open white supremacist. He seemed to be more on the down low before the presidential election. As far as Speaker of the House I think it's too early to tell. A lot can happen in nine months. Who is this person? Paul Nehlen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 1:44:02 GMT
He was banned from Twitter a couple of months ago after tweeting a racist image of Meghan Markle as The Cheddar Man ? LINK
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