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Post by leftturnonly on May 25, 2018 16:43:05 GMT
disagreement = hatred in your world? Since I was accused of this as well... I've been with this group of peas since 2009. I have disagreed with just about every single person on this board openly on many, many threads. Naturally, I consider disagreement as hate.  You guys are just too funny sometimes. |
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Post by delilahtwo on May 25, 2018 16:53:08 GMT
disagreement = hatred in your world? Since I was accused of this as well... I've been with this group of peas since 2009. I have disagreed with just about every single person on this board openly on many, many threads. Naturally, I consider disagreement as hate. You guys are just too funny sometimes. You know lefty, I've been here quite a while too, don't remember how long. I remember you being her for a long time and for a long time, I respected your point of view and your comments even though I didn't always agree with them. But when you defend Trump....I just can't. And defending samiam.... I also can't. Or Gia, but I don't remember you defending her lately. When you defend people like Trump and samiam, you are defending hateful behaviour. It's hard for me to believe that you can't see the hatefulness that is Trump. It should transcend right and left, republican and democrat, man and woman, colour etc. He's vile and repugnant and has said and done a lot of nasty, nasty things. It's fine to be conservative but not fine to defend and agree with horrible people. Unfortunately, Trump is a horrible person. No, I'm not saying I hate you. But I used to respect you but I don't any more as you can't seem to see the horror that is Trump and the current political climate. And honestly, the climate during Obama's 8 years. The conservatives were so horrible to him as well and he was a good man. Very different from Trump. You may not have agreed with Obama's politics and policies but everyone should agree that he is a good husband and father and an ethical human being. Trump. is. not. |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 25, 2018 16:56:13 GMT
Where have you been for the last year and a half? When was the last time you saw someone politely disagree with anyone they disagreed with who was less liberal than they were? Pay attention to the word choices that have been used and you may begin to see things slightly more objectively. Indeed. Have you read samiam's posts to liberals on this thread and others? And Gia's posts? I don't see polite disagreement with people who are slightly more liberal than they are. A few other posters spring to mind as well. Please don't paint all liberals with this brush. Lots of conservatives are guilty of the same. I wasn't addressing those who are called out over and over and over and over here. I am talking about people who have been friends for years. From the night of the election on they drew lines in the sand and anyone who was on the other side was now someone who could be derided and publicly made fun of to no end. I've never seen anything like it in my life. At first, I tried talking to people about their over-reactions because they were so extreme and so broad-sweeping. Then, I had to get on with the trials and tribulations of my own life and just stepped back to let the hatred die down a bit. Here's a nice little example: On Facebook, a friend of my niece's commented that Texas deserved the latest Hurricane devastation because the state voted for Trump. My niece answered that she would agree except her aunt (me) was personally affected. If you don't consider that hate-speech, than I think it's time you re-evaluate what hate really is. |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 25, 2018 16:57:34 GMT
But when you defend Trump.... |
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Post by peano on May 25, 2018 20:44:03 GMT
Oh, I didn't realize that making statements that disagree with your viewpoint = "hate" on the conservative thread. Interesting... I'm glad real life isn't like that.  Gee, Lefty, it seems like you had two options in responding to my post: an opportunity to have a calm and rational discussion, which has been a perennial theme on the conservative board, or a snarky and lazy GIF. And you chose the lowest common denominator. Duly noted. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 25, 2018 20:52:03 GMT
I think the teams will just pay the fines. Like the guy said on Tucker Carlson tonight, a better idea would be to say if you don't stand you don't play. Imagine if all the black players sat the entire season out until legislative changes were made to address police brutality and the killing of unarmed/innocent black citizens. A lot of angry white men wouldn't you say and even if you don't wanna outwardly agree you know the last thing the universe needs is MORE angry white men. I think football is barbaric but if it must exist I would love for every black player to leave the league and join a team owned by a black person. There is no reason why the NFL should have 100% white ownership but more than half of the "talent" come from the black community. P. Diddy talked about buying a team recently. www.chicagonow.com/politics-now/2018/05/is-the-nfl-is-enabling-white-contempt-for-african-americans/Universal you. I think that would be fabulous and a very powerful message. The teams would be useless without the players and hopefully something would have to be done. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 25, 2018 20:58:29 GMT
I agree with the last sentence of the article. It’s unfortunate that this guy lied, because it makes it easy for people like libby to dismiss the incidents that ARE true. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 25, 2018 20:59:16 GMT
I saw a meme the other day that said, “forced patriotism is the opposite of freedom”. I agree with that as well.
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 25, 2018 21:07:17 GMT
But when you defend Trump.... I was trying to figure out if I could remember a post where you defended Trump and I couldn't. It seems like the line in the sand isn't just for Trump voters or defenders. It's also for anyone that doesn't spend their time posting about Trump. I don't agree with a lot of what he does, but I'm not going to spend my time looking for his tweets, looking for tweets about him, posting other peoples tweets about him or any of that. I can see who he is by just keeping my eyes and ears open.
I still didn't vote for him and he didn't win my state. So just because I'm not spewing ugliness about him, his family and his administration, does not mean I voted for him, like him or support him. It just means I'm not going to allow him to turn me into some hateful person that treats people that don't agree with me politically like crap.
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Post by Olan on May 25, 2018 21:20:31 GMT
Imagine if all the black players sat the entire season out until legislative changes were made to address police brutality and the killing of unarmed/innocent black citizens. A lot of angry white men wouldn't you say and even if you don't wanna outwardly agree you know the last thing the universe needs is MORE angry white men. I think football is barbaric but if it must exist I would love for every black player to leave the league and join a team owned by a black person. There is no reason why the NFL should have 100% white ownership but more than half of the "talent" come from the black community. P. Diddy talked about buying a team recently. www.chicagonow.com/politics-now/2018/05/is-the-nfl-is-enabling-white-contempt-for-african-americans/Universal you. I think that would be fabulous and a very powerful message. The teams would be useless without the players and hopefully something would have to be done. I think so too. Black financial empowerment is the only way for black people to stop having such a rough go in America. Also, regardless of how many black men have been exalted from poverty due to their athletic abilities it could never touch the number of men who were exalted from poverty by doing something other than playing a sport. It's a pretty racist thought that black people cant experience success through other avenues. Many NFL and NBA players are the men white children look up to (Keaton Jones), emulate, aspire to be, dress like etc. so clearly their influence surpasses what they can do on the field. |
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Post by Olan on May 25, 2018 21:31:24 GMT
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Post by thundergal on May 25, 2018 21:56:44 GMT
I still didn't vote for him and he didn't win my state. So just because I'm not spewing ugliness about him, his family and his administration, does not mean I voted for him, like him or support him. It just means I'm not going to allow him to turn me into some hateful person that treats people that don't agree with me politically like crap. I'm going to try to tread lightly here and I'm being very sincere. If you don't like him or support him, why not express that with regard to his specific actions and behavior? This might be oversimplifying, but isn't kinda either you support this administration and its policies, you DON'T support the administration and its policies, or you're indifferent? I'm really not trying to be an ass. And if no one wants to answer me, that's fine. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 25, 2018 21:59:48 GMT
I still didn't vote for him and he didn't win my state. So just because I'm not spewing ugliness about him, his family and his administration, does not mean I voted for him, like him or support him. It just means I'm not going to allow him to turn me into some hateful person that treats people that don't agree with me politically like crap. I'm going to try to tread lightly here and I'm being very sincere. If you don't like him or support him, why not express that with regard to his specific actions and behavior?This might be oversimplifying, but isn't kinda either you support this administration and its policies, you DON'T support the administration and its policies, or you're indifferent? I'm really not trying to be an ass. And if no one wants to answer me, that's fine. By doing what, copying and pasting tweet after tweet of what he's said, what she's said, what some actor said about him?
I vote, I contribute to causes and I do actions, I personally don't feel venting on a message board about the stupid stuff a president does is going to change policy. I will do that with my $$ and actions. To me that is a more valuable use of my time.
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Post by thundergal on May 26, 2018 0:14:35 GMT
I'm going to try to tread lightly here and I'm being very sincere. If you don't like him or support him, why not express that with regard to his specific actions and behavior?This might be oversimplifying, but isn't kinda either you support this administration and its policies, you DON'T support the administration and its policies, or you're indifferent? I'm really not trying to be an ass. And if no one wants to answer me, that's fine. By doing what, copying and pasting tweet after tweet of what he's said, what she's said, what some actor said about him?
I vote, I contribute to causes and I do actions, I personally don't feel venting on a message board about the stupid stuff a president does is going to change policy. I will do that with my $$ and actions. To me that is a more valuable use of my time.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 1:12:20 GMT
If you don't like him or support him, why not express that with regard to his specific actions and behavior? This might be oversimplifying, but isn't kinda either you support this administration and its policies, you DON'T support the administration and its policies, or you're indifferent? Very simply, it's NUNYA business. and Yes, you oversimplified it. Politics should be more like ordering a little from column A, a little from column B, and a smidge from column C. Your choices are myopic. I prefer a more dynamic point of view. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 26, 2018 1:16:12 GMT
Very simply, it's NUNYA business. your and Yes, you oversimplified it. then why go out of your way to disparage the people who are expressing their opinions, for how they're doing it? because it seems like that's what you're doing. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean other people don't get something positive out of discussing their opinions openly with other people... eta: I can't figure out how exactly to say what I want to clearly, but your posting style does seem a bit different lately, and much more negative, in general. |
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Post by cycworker on May 26, 2018 2:39:54 GMT
Everyone, regardless of who they voted for, should be calling Trump out on his racist dogwhistling. Period. It's the same as when the Westboro crowd have their anti-gay protests engage in their homophobia by picketing at funerals. Or when kids like Matthew Shepherd are brutally murdered by homophobes. I don't care if you don't support marriage equality. If you call yourself a Christian, you need to speak out against that kind of contemptuous behaviour. Every. Single. Time. Article |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 3:16:21 GMT
Very simply, it's NUNYA business. your and Yes, you oversimplified it. then why go out of your way to disparage the people who are expressing their opinions, for how they're doing it? because it seems like that's what you're doing. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean other people don't get something positive out of discussing their opinions openly with other people... eta: I can't figure out how exactly to say what I want to clearly, but your posting style does seem a bit different lately, and much more negative, in general. I've gone out of my way?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 3:59:43 GMT
I still didn't vote for him and he didn't win my state. So just because I'm not spewing ugliness about him, his family and his administration, does not mean I voted for him, like him or support him. It just means I'm not going to allow him to turn me into some hateful person that treats people that don't agree with me politically like crap. I'm going to try to tread lightly here and I'm being very sincere. If you don't like him or support him, why not express that with regard to his specific actions and behavior? This might be oversimplifying, but isn't kinda either you support this administration and its policies, you DON'T support the administration and its policies, or you're indifferent? I'm really not trying to be an ass. And if no one wants to answer me, that's fine. For me, I have sometimes expressed it — like his puerile tweeting, for one example. I dont feel the need or see the benefit of saying it over and over, though. I do think it’s an oversimplification to say you either do or don’t support this administration and its policies. Haven’t most of us from all parties said that we never completely agree with any one politician or platform, etc? But if I’m being told that I can’t like tax cuts or a SCOTUS appointment because Trump is a sexist pig (or whatever), well, then I’m going to roll my eyes and move along. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 26, 2018 11:46:15 GMT
I'm going to try to tread lightly here and I'm being very sincere. If you don't like him or support him, why not express that with regard to his specific actions and behavior? This might be oversimplifying, but isn't kinda either you support this administration and its policies, you DON'T support the administration and its policies, or you're indifferent? I'm really not trying to be an ass. And if no one wants to answer me, that's fine. For me, I have sometimes expressed it — like his puerile tweeting, for one example. I dont feel the need or see the benefit of saying it over and over, though. I do think it’s an oversimplification to say you either do or don’t support this administration and its policies. Haven’t most of us from all parties said that we never completely agree with any one politician or platform, etc? But if I’m being told that I can’t like tax cuts or a SCOTUS appointment because Trump is a sexist pig (or whatever), well, then I’m going to roll my eyes and move along. I’m also trying to figure why other people need to have others react the same way they do. I come here for my enjoyment. Just like my other hobbies where I don’t engage in conversations I don’t want to, why is there a need from some here to get everyone to engage. It’s like there is a need for others to prove themselves worthy and to do that they must engage in Trump bashing. It’s not enough to say you don’t agree with him, you must engage in the right way, loudly and repeatedly. I wonder if my enjoyment of this particular thread is because it’s nice and quiet. It’s usually not full of drama. It’s a nice place to just stop, visit and relax. I don’t want or need the drama, I get enough of that at work and with my family  |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 14:43:25 GMT
I do think it’s an oversimplification to say you either do or don’t support this administration and its policies. Haven’t most of us from all parties said that we never completely agree with any one politician or platform, etc? But if I’m being told that I can’t like tax cuts or a SCOTUS appointment because Trump is a sexist pig (or whatever), well, then I’m going to roll my eyes and move along. You have now firmly placed yourself on my bench, where we hate differences of opinion and actively go out of our way to criticize others. Whether we actually do or don't is irrelevant. I'll bring the cookies. You can bring something to drink. I’m also trying to figure why other people need to have others react the same way they do. I come here for my enjoyment. Just like my other hobbies where I don’t engage in conversations I don’t want to, why is there a need from some here to get everyone to engage. It’s like there is a need for others to prove themselves worthy and to do that they must engage in Trump bashing. It’s not enough to say you don’t agree with him, you must engage in the right way, loudly and repeatedly. I wonder if my enjoyment of this particular thread is because it’s nice and quiet. It’s usually not full of drama. It’s a nice place to just stop, visit and relax. I don’t want or need the drama, I get enough of that at work and with my family  For the last year and a half, I have been told time and time and time and time how I voted, what I believe, whom I support, what behaviors I condone... based on nothing but people's own delusional assumptions.
Why the Hell is any of that anybody else's business? It is our individually protected right to keep our vote private. People on this board need to learn to respect others who exercise that right without making up nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 16:39:05 GMT
I do think it’s an oversimplification to say you either do or don’t support this administration and its policies. Haven’t most of us from all parties said that we never completely agree with any one politician or platform, etc? But if I’m being told that I can’t like tax cuts or a SCOTUS appointment because Trump is a sexist pig (or whatever), well, then I’m going to roll my eyes and move along. You have now firmly placed yourself on my bench, where we hate differences of opinion and actively go out of our way to criticize others. Whether we actually do or don't is irrelevant. I'll bring the cookies. You can bring something to drink. I’m also trying to figure why other people need to have others react the same way they do. I come here for my enjoyment. Just like my other hobbies where I don’t engage in conversations I don’t want to, why is there a need from some here to get everyone to engage. It’s like there is a need for others to prove themselves worthy and to do that they must engage in Trump bashing. It’s not enough to say you don’t agree with him, you must engage in the right way, loudly and repeatedly. I wonder if my enjoyment of this particular thread is because it’s nice and quiet. It’s usually not full of drama. It’s a nice place to just stop, visit and relax. I don’t want or need the drama, I get enough of that at work and with my family For the last year and a half, I have been told time and time and time and time how I voted, what I believe, whom I support, what behaviors I condone... based on nothing but people's own delusional assumptions.
Why the Hell is any of that anybody else's business? It is our individually protected right to keep our vote private. People on this board need to learn to respect others who exercise that right without making up nonsense. You said it ALL leftturnonly. Thank you! |
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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 17:09:18 GMT
Scooting over to make room for @donnie.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 18:36:42 GMT
Please make room for me too. I've always believed that your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote. I've never asked anyone how they voted, to defend their vote or told them that their politics are wrong. I can only decide my vote, it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for or educate them because they voted wrong.
I don't put political signs in my yard or car. I don't talk politics at work. Who I voted for does NOT define who I am.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 18:39:23 GMT
Right on ladies!
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Post by leftturnonly on May 26, 2018 18:59:14 GMT
Plenty of room here, @2dogday!
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Post by cadoodlebug on May 26, 2018 19:03:07 GMT
If we're all sitting on the bench, who's playing the game?  |
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Post by peano on May 26, 2018 21:09:01 GMT
Please make room for me too. I've always believed that your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote. I've never asked anyone how they voted, to defend their vote or told them that their politics are wrong. I can only decide my vote, it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for or educate them because they voted wrong. I don't put political signs in my yard or car. I don't talk politics at work. Who I voted for does NOT define who I am.It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 22:07:29 GMT
Please make room for me too. I've always believed that your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote. I've never asked anyone how they voted, to defend their vote or told them that their politics are wrong. I can only decide my vote, it's not my place to tell anyone who to vote for or educate them because they voted wrong. I don't put political signs in my yard or car. I don't talk politics at work. Who I voted for does NOT define who I am.It may not define who you are, but it is a piece of information about you that adds to the entire picture of who you are. And these pieces of information are how we make decisions about who we want to associate with. Well, there's room at the table for you if you think "we're worthy" to be associated with. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 22:09:07 GMT
I have lots of friends that voted for Trump. I have lots of friends that voted for Hillary, and they have remained my friends ALL OF THEM, after the election (and many of them WITH each other). This place is the ONLY place I've seen it "cause a rift" in a possible friendship. Nobody that is IN MY LIFE has told me I have to vote one way or the other, or they can't be my friend.
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