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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 3:15:03 GMT
You know, I don't really care what category ya'll want to file it under. I consider those tweets and memes as repulsive as Trump's. I'm more sensitive to the comments about his coloring and the texture of his hair because my kids share some of his heritage and I can not see or hear them without seeing my kids as being made fun of as well.  ? About his coloring and texture of his hair and you get upset because of your kids' heritage? Very interesting. He colors his hair, tans, and uses makeup. I don't think anyone is bashing trump due to his German heritage. I do find it interesting how you are taking people making fun of Trump for tanning and hair and projecting that on your kids. I would guess it's the same as the people here who projected it onto their kids when Trump made fun of the disabled man. And for the record, as much as I have offered facts that contradict the Trump hate or introduced a different view point into a discussion, I watched the video of Trump doing what he did and a video of the man he was speaking about and there was no doubt in my mind that he was mocking that man. And I have said so here when it happened and was discussed. |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 3:17:06 GMT
When they go low, you go low? When you screw with me I am going to screw with you back. I am not perfect. You come at me wrong I will not be nice to you and I will come back at you the same way. I will say it again for you. Screw with me I will come right back at you.  |
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Post by Merge on Jun 1, 2018 3:18:06 GMT
I repost 3 easily found on the Internet photos so I must be upset. Not quite sure where all of the rest of you fall on that scale if this constitutes upset, but I'm guessing that the roof was blown off long ago. It's not German heritage that I was referring to, but thanks for completely making up what you don't know. Moreover, thank you so much for being the compassionate liberal that you are. It must be great fun to speak of another woman's honest concerns about her children the the way you just did. Good for you. I hope you get tons of high fives! Can you explain what you were referring to then? You talked about his hair and skin color regarding his heritage, his heritage is German isn’t it? If so, that is a logical conclusion to draw. I too don’t understand what about his heritage contributes to a bad comb over and bad make up or fake tan. I think it’s his Scottish heritage she’s referring to. I also have Scottish heritage. I’m half Scottish and my husband is Irish. My pale-skinned kids have sandy hair and, when I do a bad job with the self tanner on my legs, it looks a little orange around my ankles. (I just don’t delude myself that this is a good look.) It would never in a million years occur to me to be offended on behalf of my heritage because someone made fun of Trump’s fake blond combover and freakishly orange skin. That’s all him, and has zero to do with being of Scottish heritage. I’m sure our actual Scottish peas would agree. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 1, 2018 3:22:38 GMT
? About his coloring and texture of his hair and you get upset because of your kids' heritage? Very interesting. He colors his hair, tans, and uses makeup. I don't think anyone is bashing trump due to his German heritage. I do find it interesting how you are taking people making fun of Trump for tanning and hair and projecting that on your kids. I would guess it's the same as the people here who projected it onto their kids when Trump made fun of the disabled man. ; Not even remotely close. Trump has choices about his appearance. And you know what? His appearance wouldn’t even be a side note, except that he regularly makes fun of others’ appearance. How can you possibly equate that to a disabled child? |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 3:23:39 GMT
? About his coloring and texture of his hair and you get upset because of your kids' heritage? Very interesting. He colors his hair, tans, and uses makeup. I don't think anyone is bashing trump due to his German heritage. I do find it interesting how you are taking people making fun of Trump for tanning and hair and projecting that on your kids. I would guess it's the same as the people here who projected it onto their kids when Trump made fun of the disabled man. And for the record, as much as I have offered facts that contradict the Trump hate or introduced a different view point into a discussion, I watched the video of Trump doing what he did and a video of the man he was speaking about and there was no doubt in my mind that he was mocking that man. And I have said so here when it happened and was discussed. Like I said before. Trump deserves the crap he gets. |
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Post by bazinga on Jun 1, 2018 3:29:14 GMT
I personally think Trump is an asshole. If someone wants to act like an asshole because Trump does, then go ahead and be an asshole. Just like Trump.
I choose to not be an asshole just because someone else is because I don't want to be an asshole. I don't want to be like Trump.
These arguments are like wrestling with pigs, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 3:35:06 GMT
I would guess it's the same as the people here who projected it onto their kids when Trump made fun of the disabled man. ; Not even remotely close. Trump has choices about his appearance. And you know what? His appearance wouldn’t even be a side note, except that he regularly makes fun of others’ appearance. How can you possibly equate that to a disabled child? If you can project what Trump is doing to someone on tv onto "your" child as it relates to your child, then someone else can have the same feelings for their child when millions of people are doing the same thing to Trump as it relates to their child. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 3:57:31 GMT
High fives? For? I guess I don't know the heritage you are speaking of. Must be Scotland then? So let me get this straight. You are upset because people are making fun of Trump for his skin color (tanning and make up) and hair (colors and who knows what else) and you are concerned that people will make fun of your kids? I hope no one is making fun of your kids. If they are then I am sorry those people are pieces of crap. Just like Trump. Like I said interesting. People making fun of Trump has nothing to do with your children. Again with the upset. Why don't you just pat me on the head and say "Now, now, little lady..." while you're at it? Merge - You were partially right. Thank you. And if those comments don't hit you the same way that they hit me, you're better off than I am. What can I say? My gut reaction to these memes/comments every single time is different from yours. My kids were picked on and they couldn't defend themselves. Nor would the school do anything about it. I ended up withdrawing them from public school to homeschool them because I was concerned for their safety. So yeah. (General) You make fun of people with skin and hair you don't understand or you think is just odd, and someone else replays their kid getting picked on over and over again. |
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Post by LiLi on Jun 1, 2018 5:36:47 GMT
So yeah. (General) You make fun of people with skin and hair you don't understand or you think is just odd, and someone else replays their kid getting picked on over and over again You look very cute. Can't say the same for the guy in the photo with you, though! |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 5:38:30 GMT
So yeah. (General) You make fun of people with skin and hair you don't understand or you think is just odd, and someone else replays their kid getting picked on over and over again You look very cute. Can't say the same for the guy in the photo with you, though! You equate me saying that someone isn't cute with the comments about Trump. OK. Mia culpa. FWIW, cute isn't the impression I thought anyone was going for by tattooing horns on their forehead and forking their tongue. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 6:31:28 GMT
My derogatory term for liberals is liberals. WOW! You do understand that means that I do not use derogatory terms for liberals, right? I have more than once told people that the slurs referenced aren't nice and asked them not to use them. I could have stated that I don't use any of those terms and maybe then you wouldn't have been confused. |
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Post by lauradrumm on Jun 1, 2018 7:54:26 GMT
Hey peas-making fun about Trump’s hair isn’t about the texture-it’s about the pathetic comb over!
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Post by Merge on Jun 1, 2018 10:17:50 GMT
Not even remotely close. Trump has choices about his appearance. And you know what? His appearance wouldn’t even be a side note, except that he regularly makes fun of others’ appearance. How can you possibly equate that to a disabled child? If you can project what Trump is doing to someone on tv onto "your" child as it relates to your child, then someone else can have the same feelings for their child when millions of people are doing the same thing to Trump as it relates to their child. Only in Gia's Land of False Equivalencies. Here in the real world, we try to use logic and common sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 10:31:54 GMT
If you can project what Trump is doing to someone on tv onto "your" child as it relates to your child, then someone else can have the same feelings for their child when millions of people are doing the same thing to Trump as it relates to their child. I’m Only in Gia's Land of False Equivalencies. Here in the real world, we try to use logic and common sense. Clearly it’s not “only in my world” as I’m not the one who brought it up. But way to always attribute everything to “only” me. Again. So much for that logic and common sense you claim you use. |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 11:33:41 GMT
High fives? For? I guess I don't know the heritage you are speaking of. Must be Scotland then? So let me get this straight. You are upset because people are making fun of Trump for his skin color (tanning and make up) and hair (colors and who knows what else) and you are concerned that people will make fun of your kids? I hope no one is making fun of your kids. If they are then I am sorry those people are pieces of crap. Just like Trump. Like I said interesting. People making fun of Trump has nothing to do with your children. Again with the upset. Why don't you just pat me on the head and say "Now, now, little lady..." while you're at it? Merge - You were partially right. Thank you. And if those comments don't hit you the same way that they hit me, you're better off than I am. What can I say? My gut reaction to these memes/comments every single time is different from yours. My kids were picked on and they couldn't defend themselves. Nor would the school do anything about it. I ended up withdrawing them from public school to homeschool them because I was concerned for their safety. So yeah. (General) You make fun of people with skin and hair you don't understand or you think is just odd, and someone else replays their kid getting picked on over and over again. Now now little lady? Haha good one. The school district and staff failed your children. That sucks. Once again in sorry that happened. A picture of Trump as a Cheeto has nothing to do with your children. Well at least that is my opinion. But now now little lady haha. If you want to take things personal have at it. Nothing I have said here was an attack on you or anyone else here. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 14:51:51 GMT
missmiss - A photo of Trump has nothing to do with my children. I never said it did. I said that the stupid mocking of his appearance is what I don't like and I told you why. That's my reaction. It's mine. I own it and I won't apologize for it. Twice you said that I was upset with nothing to base that statement on. That's a response that men use to imply that a woman is being too emotional and what she says can be ignored. You may as well have said "Now, now, little lady..." because that wouldn't have dismissed me any less. I don't support Trump's nasty comments/tweets and never have. They're vulgar, humiliating and needlessly cruel. Now that I've had some time to think about my own reactions to the nasty comments/tweets/memes and jokes about Trump's appearance, I have to wonder just how many other people are troubled by the wide acceptance of holding someone's appearance up to such constant, intense ridicule. I fail to see how being cruel for a laugh is funny. I fail to see how those who indulge in ridiculing others are compassionate.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 1, 2018 15:06:18 GMT
So missing the point. I wish putting effort into trying to explain it would help, but history has shown it would be futile. I'd be talking to a brick wall. So, carry on with your ugly attacks against anyone who doesn't think, look or act the way you want them to. I don't really care. what the heck are you talking about? seriously. I just stated that trump being picked on like was shown upthread on for his looks isn't racist. How is it? enlighten me. What ugly attacks have I made on anyone here? I may disagree and like to discuss but fill me in on how I am attacking anyone not agreeing. If anything I kinda feel you just did that to me. Oh, my.... I think what we're trying to get at here is that liberals are often vile and ugly to anyone who doesn't believe as they do or who doesn't agree with them. That's been shown time and again on this board and the old one. However, they can be vile and horrible to everyone who doesn't agree with them because - hey - they're not being RACIST!!! As long as they're not RACIST, then hey, anything goes... I guess. |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 15:07:18 GMT
missmiss - A photo of Trump has nothing to do with my children. I never said it did. I said that the stupid mocking of his appearance is what I don't like and I told you why. That's my reaction. It's mine. I own it and I won't apologize for it. Twice you said that I was upset with nothing to base that statement on. That's a response that men use to imply that a woman is being too emotional and what she says can be ignored. You may as well have said "Now, now, little lady..." because that wouldn't have dismissed me any less. I don't support Trump's nasty comments/tweets and never have. They're vulgar, humiliating and needlessly cruel. Now that I've had some time to think about my own reactions to the nasty comments/tweets/memes and jokes about Trump's appearance, I have to wonder just how many other people are troubled by the wide acceptance of holding someone's appearance up to such constant, intense ridicule. I fail to see how being cruel for a laugh is funny. I fail to see how those who indulge in ridiculing others are compassionate. You say you don't support Trump's nasty comments. Do you support Trump? I personally do not put Trump down for his tan/makeup and hair. That isn't even on my radar. I just don't care if anyone else does for the simple fact of what Trump spews. If someone who I feel is evil and a bully gets made fun of for whatever reason I am okay with that. You reap what you sow. We may not agree on that and cool with me. Disagreements are disagreements. Overall, if you act like this then people should expect the same. If our leader acts like then what is the expectation for others? Doesn't make it right I understand and agree with that. I just don't care if Trump gets put down because of it. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 1, 2018 15:19:42 GMT
I AM on the Conservative thread, am I not??? Just checking...I was getting kinda confused here... Anyway, I was catching up on my reading, sorry to derail from the sidetrack, but just wanted to post a few comments about the whole global/climate change issue... As was pointed out earlier, in the 1970s the scientists stated that the earth was cooling; then the weather appeared to be warming so they claimed the planet was experiencing global warming; then there were areas experiencing unseasonably cold weather while others experienced unseasonably warm temperatures; the ice caps were noticeably melting; some areas that never saw snow received several inches of snow; ice storms are more prevalent; we’re experiencing unprecedented amounts of hurricanes, tornadoes, and other violent weather. Global weather recordings began sometime in the 1870s but according to the BBC site : It's probably fair to say that 'true' global coverage of readings in meaningful densities around the entire planet didn't arrive until post-World War Two. So, we have viable records that we can track that go back anywhere from 65 to 150 years. Yet global weather trends have been going on for thousands of years…trends that we have no capability to study because there’s no data available. At this point, we’re unable to unlock all the intricacies of the human body. We only partially understand how all the various systems in our bodies work, and it’s even possible that there are systems in our bodies that are so minute that we haven’t even been able to detect yet. If we’re unable to fully understand a comparably small mechanism as our bodies, how can we possibly understand the myriad intricacies of global climate? The point I’m trying to make is that scientists only THINK that the emission of fossil fuels effects our climate – because the climate seems to have changed within the past century. But in the vast span of time, the changes in our climate may not be as abnormal as we think. There’s just no way to truly know. That’s not to say that we shouldn’t be considerate of our environment, as I stated previously. That only makes sense because we can see the effects on the environment that the wide use of plastic produces, for example. And it’s not like steps haven’t been taken to reduce pollution. I know that in our state, we have emission controls on our vehicles that are tested every six months. If your vehicle’s emissions controls are not working properly they have to be fixed or the vehicle doesn’t pass inspection; which means you have a certain period of time to get the vehicle fixed or you can’t drive it. Needless to say, it costs a pretty penny to get it fixed, too. My personal opinion is that, at this point, we’d all be better off if everyone “takes care of their own backyard” first and foremost to reduce pollutants in the environment. Any nation that is advanced enough to contribute to polluting the environment is most certainly wealthy enough to take steps to reduce pollution. But to enforce policies on a global scale (at this point) seems overreaching (to me) and smacks more of politics than it does of science. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 15:34:57 GMT
You say you don't support Trump's nasty comments. Do you support Trump? I personally do not put Trump down for his tan/makeup and hair. That isn't even on my radar. I just don't care if anyone else does for the simple fact of what Trump spews. If someone who I feel is evil and a bully gets made fun of for whatever reason I am okay with that. You reap what you sow. We may not agree on that and cool with me. Disagreements are disagreements. Overall, if you act like this then people should expect the same. If our leader acts like then what is the expectation for others? Doesn't make it right I understand and agree with that. I just don't care if Trump gets put down because of it. It's not a question of whether I support the man Trump or not. It's far more complicated than that. Some of what I'd like to see happen within and for this country are the same as Trump. I support getting those things accomplished. In other words, I see Trump as the President of the United States, just as I saw Obama, Bush, Clinton..... I have watched speeches and news/press conferences and then I have seen how the news agencies reported what I just watched. There are some seriously twisted agendas going on and things are constantly distorted. They should be called on it. He's not entirely wrong. I've already given my opinion of the person, vulgar, crass statements multiple times. There's no need for me to continue to do so. |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 15:40:08 GMT
You say you don't support Trump's nasty comments. Do you support Trump? I personally do not put Trump down for his tan/makeup and hair. That isn't even on my radar. I just don't care if anyone else does for the simple fact of what Trump spews. If someone who I feel is evil and a bully gets made fun of for whatever reason I am okay with that. You reap what you sow. We may not agree on that and cool with me. Disagreements are disagreements. Overall, if you act like this then people should expect the same. If our leader acts like then what is the expectation for others? Doesn't make it right I understand and agree with that. I just don't care if Trump gets put down because of it. It's not a question of whether I support the man Trump or not. It's far more complicated than that. Some of what I'd like to see happen within and for this country are the same as Trump. I support getting those things accomplished. In other words, I see Trump as the President of the United States, just as I saw Obama, Bush, Clinton..... I have watched speeches and news/press conferences and then I have seen how the news agencies reported what I just watched. There are some seriously twisted agendas going on and things are constantly distorted. They should be called on it. He's not entirely wrong. I've already given my opinion of the person, vulgar, crass statements multiple times. There's no need for me to continue to do so. From what I just read you support Trump it isn't that complicated. Even though Trump acts the way he does as long as he supports your agenda and changes what you want you are overall okay with what he does. That isn't complicated. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 15:44:08 GMT
we’re experiencing unprecedented amounts of hurricanes, tornadoes, and other violent weather. Those things are cyclical. Hurricanes, for example, have only been measured for so long and the way that they are measured has drastically changed during that time. Accurate comparisons of long past storms with more recent ones is more difficult than most of the reporting allows. There were truly devastating storms, but fewer people were affected because they weren't living there at the time. There's a salt dome along the Texas Gulf of Mexico that's called High Island because it is the only point above sea level during a monster hurricane. We saw this for ourselves during Hurricane Ike. The name far preceded this recent storm, so was Ike worse than what came before? |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 15:47:42 GMT
From what I just read you support Trump it isn't that complicated. Even though Trump acts the way he does as long as he supports your agenda and changes what you want you are overall okay with what he does. That isn't complicated. Stop assuming so damn much. |
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Post by PLurker on Jun 1, 2018 15:48:08 GMT
what the heck are you talking about? seriously. I just stated that trump being picked on like was shown upthread on for his looks isn't racist. How is it? enlighten me. What ugly attacks have I made on anyone here? I may disagree and like to discuss but fill me in on how I am attacking anyone not agreeing. If anything I kinda feel you just did that to me. Oh, my.... I think what we're trying to get at here is that liberals are often vile and ugly to anyone who doesn't believe as they do or who doesn't agree with them. That's been shown time and again on this board and the old one. However, they can be vile and horrible to everyone who doesn't agree with them because - hey - they're not being RACIST!!! As long as they're not RACIST, then hey, anything goes... I guess.
yeah, maybe not nice teasing, harassing, insulting to insult trump and his fake skin color but unless there is an orange race that I am unaware of and he was born that way/ can't change etc not racism.
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So missing the point. I wish putting effort into trying to explain it would help, but history has shown it would be futile. I'd be talking to a brick wall.
So, carry on with your ugly attacks against anyone who doesn't think, look or act the way you want them to. I don't really care. People are vile on both sides sometimes. I was not. Above is what I said (quote wouldn't work- copy/paste) when it was said that memes of trumps skin coloring and the response from mom26 . You tell me where my "ugly attack" is and I will see if I can correct it. And to assume I'm liberal democrat and thus hateful seems to me to be hateful in itself. I especially find this amusing in that I couldn't even tell you if I voted more one way or the other in the past. Ironically, I seem more to the left these days because of the hateful and careless occupant in the White House right now. That is what I condemn more than his politics. Because to be honest, I don't even know what his true political leanings are except to promote those that benefit him. Furthermore I find the "I would be talking to a brick wall" insulting as I actually like to hear different views. Sometimes it changes mine. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 1, 2018 15:48:41 GMT
You make fun of people with skin and hair you don't understand or you think is just odd, and someone else replays their kid getting picked on over and over again. FTR, what I 'make fun of' is an overly vain man who refuses to acknowledge his age-- just like I would most likely 'make fun of' any man with 1 1/2 foot long hair that they twirl around the top of their head like an ice cream cone to cover up a bald spot, aging men who keep their hair long in the back to try to 'regain their youth' while they're bald on top, or any one who thinks 'tanning' is so important they would rather look unnaturally orange. (And that's coming from someone with a Scandinavian heritage of pasty-white skin.) My 'making fun of' Donald Trump is not connected to his heritage, at ALL. And yeah, that's not connected at all to his actual (reprehensible) policies and business practices. |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 15:49:31 GMT
From what I just read you support Trump it isn't that complicated. Even though Trump acts the way he does as long as he supports your agenda and changes what you want you are overall okay with what he does. That isn't complicated. Stop assuming so damn much. What did I assume? Please elaborate. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 15:53:05 GMT
Stop assuming so damn much. What did I assume? Please elaborate. You could assume I supported Obama, Clinton and Bush as well based on what I said. |
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Post by missmiss on Jun 1, 2018 15:57:19 GMT
What did I assume? Please elaborate. You could assume I supported Obama, Clinton and Bush as well based on what I said. I could assume that yep. But, since you said: It's not a question of whether I support the man Trump or not. It's far more complicated than that. Some of what I'd like to see happen within and for this country are the same as Trump. I support getting those things accomplished. In other words, I see Trump as the President of the United States, just as I saw Obama, Bush, Clinton..... We are talking about President Trump and his agenda and what you like which are the same as Trump. You support getting those things accomplished. You see Trump as the President just like Obama, Bush, and Clinton. You were not talking about what you want to see happen in this country right now and those presidents. You are talking about Trump and what you want to see him do. Big difference. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 15:58:47 GMT
You make fun of people with skin and hair you don't understand or you think is just odd, and someone else replays their kid getting picked on over and over again. FTR, what I 'make fun of' is an overly vain man who refuses to acknowledge his age-- just like I would most likely 'make fun of' any man with 1 1/2 foot long hair that they twirl around the top of their head like an ice cream cone to cover up a bald spot, aging men who keep their hair long in the back to try to 'regain their youth' while they're bald on top, or any one who thinks 'tanning' is so important they would rather look unnaturally orange. (And that's coming from someone with a Scandinavian heritage of pasty-white skin.) My 'making fun of' Donald Trump is not connected to his heritage, at ALL. And yeah, that's not connected at all to his actual (reprehensible) policies and business practices. I don't like people's looks being made fun of. I'm as guilty as the rest for making an occasional slip of the tongue, but that's not what you're talking about here. When it's done on such a public stage as this is, you are making it acceptable to mock the way people look. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 1, 2018 16:06:56 GMT
You are talking about Trump and what you want to see him do. Correct. I want to see some accomplishments. That does not throw my support completely behind Trump. There has been no room since the election for partial or conditional support of parts of this administration's agenda. It's an all or nothing "you love the man and you OK every nasty thing he's ever said or done" or "you despise the man and feel obligated to say so frequently." You want me to lie and say that I don't want us as a country to control the number of people who come here illegally? Or, do you want me to lie and tell you that I love it when Trump tells a woman she looks like a pig? That's pretty much what it's come down to. |
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? About his coloring and texture of his hair and you get upset because of your kids' heritage? Very interesting. He colors his hair, tans, and uses makeup. I don't think anyone is bashing trump due to his German heritage. I do find it interesting how you are taking people making fun of Trump for tanning and hair and projecting that on your kids.
